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Sarge is Now Frozen

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the chill-yo dept.

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JoeBuck writes "Steve Langasek has announced that Debian Sarge is now frozen. He produced a schedule that would lead to a Debian release at the end of May, though I would expect it to slip somewhat. I'm glad that the long wait for a Debian release will soon be over."

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Oh NO! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426433)

SAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGE!!!!

Huh? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426434)

Haha for a second there I thought the title said "Sarge is Now Frozen," I guess I should put my glassess... wait, what the...

Re:Huh? (0)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426473)

Haha for a second there I thought the title said "Sarge is Now Frozen," I guess I should put my glassess... wait, what the...

At first I thought it was some obscure reference to Beetle Bailey.

Ah. But did you read the headline carefully? (4, Funny)

jd (1658) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426518)

They did NOT say the distribution was frozen, only the name.

Re:Huh? (4, Insightful)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426610)

I wonder if the Debian team with move to quicker release cycles after Sarge gets out the door. Wasn't that one of the goals of the new Debian project leader?

Re:Huh? (2)

sydb (176695) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426801)

I thought it was one of the goals of the previous project leader!

Oh well, I still love my Debian, though I have to admit I am quite liking entoo on my two workstations and recommending Ubuntu to newbies.

If I could only have one OS it would have to be Debian, Ubuntu and Gentoo.

Whats that fat lady doing here? (5, Funny)

bosewicht (805330) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426703)

Hmm, things look really strange. Pigs are flying fat lady's singing....Sarge is frozen........ OH MY GOD!!!!! THE END IS NEAR!!!!!

Re:Whats that fat lady doing here? (4, Funny)

jd (1658) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426841)

OH MY GOD!!!!! THE END IS NEAR!!!!!


Isn't that what BASIC programmers say, when their programs gracefully stop?

Re:Huh? (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 9 years ago | (#12427013)

I think the editors are having some kind of contest to see who can write the most confusing and misleading headline!

Oh no! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426436)

I hope they can thaw him out.

#1 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426439)

My ass is frozen too. FP suckaz!!

Re:#1 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426527)

FP standing for Fourth Post. Sucka.

cryogenics? (0, Redundant)

mfh (56) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426444)

By frozen, I'm guessing you mean poor Sarge was cryogenically frozen, right? What's the prognosis?

Re:cryogenics? (2, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426501)

By frozen, I'm guessing you mean poor Sarge was cryogenically frozen, right? What's the prognosis?

Worry not, he'll be promoted to Colonel (kernel) in no time.

sorry...

Re:cryogenics? (1)

brsmith4 (567390) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426597)

Sarge would have to go to college and get a degree. You cannot be promoted from a Non-Commissioned rank to an Officer. You can make Warrant officer ranks though they are not the same thing. They stopped promoting NCO's to Officers years ago.

Re:cryogenics? (1)

spacecowboy420 (450426) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426650)

You are missing one thing, while you couldn't be an officer without a degree, you could infact be a "Sarge" and have a degree. You would then only need to go to OCS to get promoted.

Re:cryogenics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426612)


sorry...
You should be. :-)

Re:cryogenics? (2, Funny)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426591)

By frozen, I'm guessing you mean poor Sarge was cryogenically frozen, right? What's the prognosis?

He's dead, Jim.

Sooo. (5, Funny)

I_redwolf (51890) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426453)

That pig flying was about this. Was wondering wtf that was about.

Oblig. Simpson quote... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426654)

Burns: You know, Smithers, I think I'll donate a million dollars to
the local orphanage...when pigs fly!
[They laugh. The pig sails across the sky before them.]
Smithers: Will you be donating that million dollars now, Sir?
Burns: Nooo, I'd still prefer not.

What's Next? (-1, Offtopic)

Noryungi (70322) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426454)

D... D... Duke Nukem?

Tada!

Sorry, I just had to say it!

(/me ducks under flame-proof shelter)

Big woop now it's only 3 years behind. FP and FT. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426460)

Big woop now it's only 3 years behind. FP and FT.

Silly rabbits.

Re:Big woop now it's only 3 years behind. FP and F (4, Interesting)

mthaddon (580045) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426658)

I realize a lot of the posts here are in jest, but what's wrong with being a little slow on the release schedule? There hasn't been a release of Microsoft's desktop OS since 2001 (wow, comparing Debian to Windows XP - kind of like comparing __insert appropriate metaphor__).

As long as the developers are still committed to maintaining the distro, I think we should all be thankful that Debian is so conscientious in it's release policy.

Does this mean... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426463)

that Duke Nukem Forever is coming out too?!?

Won't do any good. (-1, Redundant)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426464)

Sooner or later the damn debian ijits will track it down and thaw it out, and the plague will start all over again.

Good news, even for Sid users. (3, Insightful)

FlipmodePlaya (719010) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426465)

I was upset to see that KDE 3.4 was being held back from Sid until Sarge released (I ended up getting it from the Kubuntu sources), and I believe a few other packages followed this policy as well. Now that Sarge is coming out I assume we'll see some major updates in Sid. On that note, does anyone know when Debian will adopt X.org?

Re:Good news, even for Sid users. (1)

wouterke (653865) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426493)

the day sarge comes out

Re:Good news, even for Sid users. (1)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426788)

If I'm not mistaken, I believe I read on some Debian mailing list that X.org would be incorporated into the next release after Sarge.

Re:Good news, even for Sid users. (2, Informative)

wouterke (653865) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426868)

Yes, that's what I said. X.org will be in sid the day Sarge comes out, which basically means that it won't be in a stable release before etch (the next release after sarge).

Re:Good news, even for Sid users. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426506)

2015

Re:Good news, even for Sid users. (1)

avalys (221114) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426536)

"does anyone know when Debian will adopt X.org?"

2013?

Re:Good news, even for Sid users. (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426625)

my guess is that it will move into sid sometime not too long after sarge release and into the testing branch (etch) after that

when etch will release noone knows

Re:Good news, even for Sid users. (1)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426678)

2013?

That's just to the unstable branch I believe...

Re:Good news, even for Sid users. (2, Informative)

natrius (642724) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426700)

On that note, does anyone know when Debian will adopt X.org?

Short answer: It shouldn't take very long at all since it's already been packaged for Ubuntu. A new X.org release with a different packaging structure is scheduled to be released soon, so that will complicate things a bit. The new release is supposed to be included in the next Ubuntu release if it gets out early enough, so most of the packaging work will be done.
Long answer: Debian X Strike Force [deadbeast.net]

Sarge Ordered to Freeze (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426467)

I really hope they didn't do this because all of the controversy regarding debian as "dead" and Ubuntu the winner.

Keep debian stable!

http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/11/ 2335221 [slashdot.org]

Debian isn't dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426627)

Debian isn't dead, it's name should just be changed to "Ubuntu Server" ;-)

That's odd... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426482)

I kinda thought Debian's relevance has been frozen for some time now.

Make a Foe foundation (0, Offtopic)

Wyrmw00d (571980) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426486)

My latest journal entry tells all! Make a fuckin foe! http://slashdot.org/~Wyrmw00d/journal [slashdot.org]

In other news (3, Funny)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426487)

Duke Nuke'm Forever was released and Microsoft committed toa firm launch date for Longhorn.

HEY YOU SHIT-BREATH-SMELLIN NIGGER, STFU FAG!!!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426542)

lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12427006)

LOlL~~~

Re:In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426614)

Microsoft agrees to give free upgrade to all XP users.

So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426496)

What will this mean for us debian users? Does this mean sarge will become the stable branch?

Re:So... (1)

jkujath (587282) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426608)

And on June 1 if you type "apt-get dist-upgrade" on your Woody install, will it tell you that it's going to upgrade 100's or 1000's of packages? Not that I run stable (testing/sarge is good enough for me), but just curious.

Re:So... (4, Informative)

wosmo (854535) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426690)

That depends on your sources.list; if your apt lines refer to 'stable', yes apt will try to make the transition. If they refer to 'woody', then woody you shall remain.
On any system that's used for real work, the later is much more sane. Upgrade when you've tested that path, not simply when it becomes available.

Re:So... (2, Insightful)

wosmo (854535) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426645)

It means Sarge is a big step closer to becomming the stable branch. Freeze severely narrows the criterea for updates to enter testing; they're now hand-picked by necessity rather than appearing automatically once they've survived unstable long enough. It's the last big step before a release; at that point, Sarge will become Stable.

Revenge of the BSDs (-1, Flamebait)

twigles (756194) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426498)

Debian is dead! MUHAHAHAAAaaaa!

Re:Revenge of the BSDs (1)

twigles (756194) | more than 9 years ago | (#12427057)

Hahahaha, wow that didn't take long. Just a joke guys. Mod this down too if it makes you feel better I guess.

wont make any difference (0, Troll)

jonbusby (880488) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426530)

it wont make any difference. everything will still be out of date, just even more out of date....

Time to check the weather in Hell... (3, Funny)

SaDan (81097) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426539)

Whaddaya know?

"Chance of flurries tonight, lows in the teens."

Re:Time to check the weather in Hell... (1)

Erbo (384) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426957)

No need. It just froze over. Don't believe me? Ask those flying pigs over there.

Preempt Ubuntu (1)

dotslashdot (694478) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426549)

As slow as Sarge has been to be released, you would think it was frozen long ago. But seriously, I wonder if this is a way to prempt Ubuntu.

This Doesn't Change Much (5, Informative)

zeromemory (742402) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426556)

For regular Debian stable users, this doesn't mean too much: a simple apt-get upgrade is all it will take to 'upgrade' to Sarge.

For new Debian users, Debian testing images based upon the new installer have long been available here [debian.org] .

My main question is why Debian didn't advertise the above-linked installation images more. Just finding a link to the new installer ISO images is like navigating a maze blind-folded. Yes, I understand that they're not 'release-quality' yet, but it would take just a simple warning on the page to download Debian: "Please try our new installer! Although it's not completely stable, it's faster and easier to use and is definitely worth a try."

Ubuntu's installer is based upon the new installer, and it's not unreasonable to believe that many people use Ubuntu because it's an easier-to-install Debian, in no small part due to the work on Debian's new installer (and the great work of Ubuntu developers).

Re:This Doesn't Change Much (0)

stevey (64018) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426635)

Sure you can use testing, but you lose security support. For a home user that might be acceptible, but for a server installation that's not an option.

Re:This Doesn't Change Much (1)

Bruce Perens (3872) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426717)

Are you sure Ubuntu's installer is based on the new Debian installer? I'd thought otherwise, although I have not tried installing ubuntu.

Bruce

Re:This Doesn't Change Much (1)

zeromemory (742402) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426825)

Are you sure Ubuntu's installer is based on the new Debian installer?

I'm sure Ubuntu's developers changed it a bit, but it also looks like they borrowed a lot from the new installer. Look at the screenshots found here [osdir.com] (for Ubuntu) and here [osdir.com] (for Debian-Installer pre-rc2).

I can't find screenshots for rc3, but quickly glancing at the ones I linked for rc2, not too much has changed.

Re:This Doesn't Change Much (1)

ComputerSlicer23 (516509) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426947)

That sure has a look and feel of the Anaconda installer that RedHat developed, and that Progeny was working towards getting Debian installable by.

In fact there was a Slashdot story about that Here [slashdot.org] . I wonder if it is. Granted it looks like one of many, many crappy curses applications, but nearly everything about it is just like the text installer that I associate with RedHat. It certainly looks like it'd fit right in with any of RedHat's system configuration tools also.

Kirby

Oh no. (5, Funny)

michelcultivo (524114) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426569)

This is the last April Fools's joke?

We have moved on........ (4, Interesting)

kkelly (69745) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426572)

most of our team left Debian a while back. While its stability is still a strong point, many other distros are very proactive about putting out a stable, quality product these days without the rediculously long timeline....

Is it kernel 2.2 yet? (5, Funny)

EugeneK (50783) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426578)

I want to use Debian but I need to get my CD burner from 1992 working and need at least kernel 2.2. thx.

Re:Is it kernel 2.2 yet? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426722)

2.6.11 here, got via apt-get from standard repositories. I hope you were kidding: such nonsense is not what one would expect form a 5 digit slashdotter.

Re:Is it kernel 2.2 yet? (5, Funny)

EugeneK (50783) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426889)

Sorry, I was trolling in a moment of weakness!!

Re:Is it kernel 2.2 yet? (1)

jd (1658) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426890)

2.6.11 is good, but 2.6.12-rc2-mm3 (which I use) has been out for a while.

uhhh (1)

wolvie_cobain (410751) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426579)

you mean debian is ready for microwave-oven? errr.. nevermind..

Thank Goodness (1)

erikharrison (633719) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426592)

Debian has still been growing consistently. So they aren't dead yet. Sure, the release will be hugely behind but this gets the ball rolling in the right direction before they become irrelevant.

Of course, a better time for this would have been a year ago, before Ubuntu started to eat into the Debian user base, while breaking compatibility. But it may be soon enough to stop even that from happening.

Re:Thank Goodness (2, Informative)

sydb (176695) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426920)

They are neither dying nor hugely behind nor becoming irrelevant.

They just have a terrible time getting a release out the door.

If you run testing/unstable you run fairly current software, and you're not that much further behind come the release, and at release time Sarge will be fairly representative of the "stable state of the art". It's just that in the couple of years between now and Etch, things will progress without being reflected in a stable Debian release. But come the next release, Debian will be there again.

It's like a staircase with widely spaced but high steps. other distros have closer steps but they're not so high... does that makes sense? I've only had one beer.

More like HELL is now frozen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426606)

amirite?

Not the only one... (5, Funny)

espergreen (849246) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426660)

Something else froze today too!

Re:Not the only one... (1, Redundant)

EverDense (575518) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426996)

Something else froze today too!

Oh Hell, you just had to say it, didn't you!

How Debian works... (5, Informative)

chrysrobyn (106763) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426661)

Just because there are always people who don't know how this works...

Each generation of Debian is named after a character from Toy Story. Potato, Sarge, Woody (the one I run), Slink, Hamm and Sid. Sid is always "testing", the most unstable places for apps to go. Remember who Sid was in Toy Story? Same thing. After packages get more stable, they get promoted to "testing". For a while, this has been "Sarge". After "testing" proves itself (and they demote packages that can't get more stable), it gets promoted to "stable"-- today that's "woody".

Sarge being frozen means that sometime in the near future, we'll have a new "stable", with more recent packages.

People who run servers but can't afford to qualify them much should probably stick with "stable". "Testing" is for desktop users who don't like much churn, but it's still more stable than Windows, IMHO. "Unstable" is for the bleeding edge who want someone else to do the compiling.

For more information, visit your local library [debian.org] .

Re:How Debian works... (2, Informative)

jonestor (443666) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426768)

Sid is always "testing"
Isn't sid the unstable branch?

Re:How Debian works... (2, Informative)

explorer (42481) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426785)

> Sid is always "testing"

No, Sid is always unstable.

about time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426675)

i thought they would never quit working on that stupid distro, just put it in deep freeze and forget about it.

It's been frozen for ages already! (2, Funny)

JoaoPinheiro (749991) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426677)

Hell, these are news? Sarge has been frozen for only god knows how long already =P

May? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426691)

2010 maybe. And it'll come with KDE 1.2, Gnome 0.1, Linux kernel 1.2, and EGCS.

I missed it! (1)

iive (721743) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426696)

Sarge is frozen?

OMG, I have missed final Woodey release!

Or maybe I haven't?

I guess Sarge is in hell ... (2, Funny)

Entropy (6967) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426745)

and that is why he is frozen.

Sarge's March Forward (3, Interesting)

poofyhairguy82 (635386) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426766)

All I can say is THANK GOODNESS. A lot of bad air has risen between Ubuntu and Debian lately on some news sites (very trollish if you ask me) and I think the core of the problem was tension related to Sarge's release. Now that Sarge will be released, Debianites will feel better and a great server distro will once again grab the spotlight for a while.

Of course, I don't think Sarge will get all of the Debian desktop users back. I hope that community is fine with its role of being a server distro.

Huzzah! (2, Funny)

Bastian (66383) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426832)

Now I know how Boston felt last World Series.

Cu8 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426834)

SANCTIONS, AND Problems with we get there with progrees. In 1992, Romeo and Juliet Visit Fuck The Baby Discussion I'm That they sideline gloves, condoms

Re:Cu8 (1)

temojen (678985) | more than 9 years ago | (#12427055)

Cu8 (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @04:43PM (#12426834)
SANCTIONS, AND Problems with we get there with progrees. In 1992, Romeo and Juliet Visit Fuck The Baby Discussion I'm That they sideline gloves, condoms

You know, I think they should have an "inane mod-point wasting babble" mod option as seperate mod points, and give it out to a lot more people to get rid of this crap. Or perhaps a captcha for every anonymous post.

Poster's opinion (-1, Troll)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426861)

though I would expect it to slip somewhat.

Who asked for your opinion? You're just a poster, you're not even an editor (not like their opinion is worth anything either). Posters giving their (usually different from public/common sense) opinion is increasing these days on slashdot.

"Frozen potato" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426874)

I hope the Debian developers realize what this is, and take some measures to extricate themselves from the GNU/homosexual-copraphilliac community.

Get over it (2, Informative)

jargoone (166102) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426881)

I'm glad that the long wait for a Debian release will soon be over.

Proof positive that you have no idea how Debian works. This isn't Windows, or OS X. If you want the release, just go get the damn release whenever you want. You don't have to wait for it to be stable before you do.

debian is soo easy to install! (0, Troll)

distantbody (852269) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426894)

GREAT! now i can have sheer joy (read:agony) of installing/upgrading debian with that masterpiece of code called JIGDO!....no, but seriously, that shitpile of an installer (am i being too generous?) can make some of the best users swear by Windows!

Re:debian is soo easy to install! (1)

ldspartan (14035) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426929)

You realize that they rewrote the installer for this release, right?

--
lds

Re:debian is soo easy to install! (1)

sydb (176695) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426977)

Umm... jigdo is not an installer, it's simply a way of downloading debian and creating iso images.

You can also just download the iso from somewhere. I'm not going to tell you where, you can look for your self.

Re:debian is soo easy to install! (1)

distantbody (852269) | more than 9 years ago | (#12427051)

you should have understood that i was changing topics with "....". in know jigdo isnt an installer. i installed woody a long time ago, get sum skills dood.

Re:debian is soo easy to install! (1)

arose (644256) | more than 9 years ago | (#12427020)

Good news: Sarge has a new installer!

Etch (1)

thepurplemonkey (814382) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426904)

So when is Etch going stable? Guys? Hello? Uhm...

HuH? (0, Redundant)

spiderworm (830684) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426908)

April Fools was a month ago. A month and a day ago, actually. This really isn't funny anymore.

WOOT! (1)

Blackbrain (94923) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426909)

I just gotta say it again...

WOOT!

Sarge is frozen... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426919)

... and so has hell?

Boy, is Sarge ever old. (5, Funny)

Markus Registrada (642224) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426932)

Just practicing.

informativ3 shItShit (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426949)

not goin6 to play Is dying.Things

I'm just wondering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426950)

when will I be able to get a Buzz from Debian?

a Debian release at the end of May... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12426963)

a Debian release at the end of May
surely they meant at least May 2006!

hahaha (0, Flamebait)

bonezed (187343) | more than 9 years ago | (#12426970)

I'll beleive it when I see it

Debian is complete arse, even Redhat is better

ps. Slackware rulez :)

Speedy action (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12427023)

Thank goodness. They are taking swift action ... to plan ... and discuss ... eventually ... releasing.

JUDITH:
They've arrested Brian!
REG:
What?
COMMANDOS:
What?
JUDITH:
They've dragged him off! They're going to crucify him!
REG:
Right! This calls for immediate discussion!
COMMANDO #1:
Yeah.
JUDITH:
What?!
COMMANDO #2:
Immediate.
COMMANDO #1:
Right.
LORETTA:
New motion?
REG:
Completely new motion, eh, that, ah-- that there be, ah, immediate action--
FRANCIS:
Ah, once the vote has been taken.
REG:
Well, obviously once the vote's been taken. You can't act another resolution till you've voted on it...

Frozen? Uh, yeah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12427049)

As far as those of us who would have liked to be using it can tell, it's been frozen for several years.
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