×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

China to Top U.S. in Broadband Subscribers

samzenpus posted more than 8 years ago | from the growing-faster dept.

IT 530

An anonymous reader writes "China already is rapidly approaching the United States as the country with the largest number of broadband subscribers, according to the El Segundo, Calif.-based firm, and by the end of the year, China is expected to have 34 million subscribers, compared to 39 million in the United States. By the end of 2007, China is expected to have 57 million broadband subscribers, compared to 54 million in the United States, with an even wider lead in the years to follow."

cancel ×
This is a preview of your comment

No Comment Title Entered

Anonymous Coward 1 minute ago

No Comment Entered

530 comments

AP COMPUTER SCIENCE TEST TODAY (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437834)

Anybody here take the AP Computer Science exam? If so what do you people think of it? I took the AB version, and I had trouble with it.

Re:AP COMPUTER SCIENCE TEST TODAY (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437903)

test last year, it was the first year they used java, i thought it was really easy, i think that this year is probably harder. I don't really see a why taking the AB is nessesary, most colleges count them almost the same you just have to get a higher score on the A.

fp (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437835)

First post?

i would hope so (5, Insightful)

hsmith (818216) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437839)

considering they have 4x as many people than us in an are that is a bit more densely populated

Re:i would hope so (2, Interesting)

SeventyBang (858415) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437996)

Regardless of how many of them there are, how many (a percentage will do as an alternative to headcount) of them get to see an unfiltered Internet?

It's well-documented there are watchers in chat rooms who redact material real-time which is "against policy", some horrendous filters which screen practically everything but spam, and I'll bet the only address they're allowed to connect to with FTP is 127.0.0.1.

Sheer numbers and population percentages mean nothing when there's nothing to look at. Trust me: the Chinese will have a better chance at seeing CineMax sans filtering at midnight before they get an unfiltered connection to the Internet.

Re:i would hope so (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12438029)

Those bastards are taking all of our IP addresses!

1.1 Billion vs 280 Million (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437840)

It's a lot easier to have more subscribers/anything when you have almost 4 times the population.

This isn't very interesting news at all.

Next on slashdot: China Tops US in rice consumption.

Re:1.1 Billion vs 280 Million (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437908)

Followed by US tops China in arrogance

Re:1.1 Billion vs 280 Million (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437992)

The US has every reason to be arrogant. We are the richest, most powerful, most successful nation in the history of mankind.

Meanwhile people in places like France and China have no justification for their arrogance.

It's sad but true. When you're number one, you get bragging rights. Maybe when a superpower can overtake America's superiority, you'll see less arrogance.

Re:1.1 Billion vs 280 Million (5, Funny)

SaDan (81097) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437989)

Yeah, but they'll NEVER beat us at BUTTER consumption!

Re:1.1 Billion vs 280 Million (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437995)

Whine, whine, whine...

Keep watching. Sit on your fat ass, America. China will top you in everything, because you've had it too good for too long, and forgotten how to compete.

(No, I'm not some kind of Chinese cheerleader. I just know how fucked we truly are.)

Re:1.1 Billion vs 280 Million (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12438062)

Chinese are allowed to view slashdot?

Re:1.1 Billion vs 280 Million (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12438116)

And what have the Chinese ever known about competition dumbass? lol. They're still stuck in the 1500s.

Re:1.1 Billion vs 280 Million (5, Insightful)

jmv (93421) | more than 8 years ago | (#12438105)

Next: China tops US in fuel consumption. That's when it's going to get really scary (I guess it's already scary that 4% of the world population consumes 25% of the energy).

Percentages (1, Insightful)

smilheim (804292) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437841)

Be nice to see this number in percentage of population.

Re:Percentages (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437879)

China has 1,298,847,624 [google.com] and USA has 293,027,571 [google.com]

So China has about 4% and USA has 18%.

Re:Percentages (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437933)

And 18% is nothing to brag about, really. At least, not when compared to other countries. [yahoo.com]

Re:Percentages (1)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 8 years ago | (#12438093)

So, according to that article, 80% of Americans have access to broadband, if they want it. 18% currently have broadband. That means 62% choose not to, or can't afford it. Let's be really generous and split that 62% down the middle.

Almost 1/3 of Americans who do have access to broadband choose not to. If that 30% were to sign up, the US would be at almost 50% penetration.

Re:Percentages (2, Informative)

dtfarmer (548183) | more than 8 years ago | (#12438107)

18% isn't bad considering the logistics. The US is nearly 100x larger in area than South Korea...

South Korea - http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/skorea.html [doe.gov]
Population 48m
Area 38k sq. miles (about the size of Indiana or Kentucky)

US - http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa/states/area.s html [enchantedlearning.com]
Population 293m
Area 3.5m sq. miles (2.9m continental)

I wonder what the percentage would be if we only accounted for metro areas like Seattle, New York, LA... while I'm sure it's nowhere near 73%, I bet it's well above 18%.

Re:Percentages (1)

LibertarianWackJob (881478) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437901)

Yes, per capita numbers would be nice but even stratify it more by including number of people / income bracket. Now there would be some meaningful numbers. After all I wouldn't expect some pennyless farmer in a rural area to have a DSL connection.

Population (1)

Corpus_Callosum (617295) | more than 8 years ago | (#12438072)

China's middle class is quickly rising and is currently approximately twice the entire U.S. population (a bit more than 600 million middle class people in China).

Think about that for a moment...

Re:Population (2, Insightful)

grumpygrodyguy (603716) | more than 8 years ago | (#12438112)

China's middle class is quickly rising and is currently approximately twice the entire U.S. population

Yep, and our middle-class is on the floor after getting it's nuts kicked repeatedly over the last 5 years.

Dialup (0, Offtopic)

soda160289 (776461) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437844)

I haven't used dial up in years, I can't imagine ever going back anyone here still have dial up

It's the weekly.... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437847)

"USA is a technological backwater because people aren't getting broadband" thread. Maybe we should force more people to get it so that we can stop hearing this over and over and over at /.?

It's almost like (-1, Redundant)

Megor1 (621918) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437851)

there are more people in China then the us

Re:It's almost like (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437895)

THAN. It's "than." More than. Less than. Greater than. THAN.

Re:It's almost like (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437941)

Your teachers are probably dying from embarrassment.

It's "than", not "then".

It's nice to know some of the lesser tech people will still be around to fill in the data entry positions (and there are more of those thEn (doesn't that look silly?) you think.


Hey! Who let the kids back in here?

Re:It's almost like (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12438099)

Shut up you looser.

An idea (0)

pHatidic (163975) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437973)

I think we to get the editors a fact-checking monkey to hurl feces at them when they post this shit.

I for one (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437852)

I for one welcome our new chinese overloards.

chinese democracy (0, Troll)

hoferbr (707935) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437854)

I bet they would trade their broadband for US' democracy.

Re:chinese democracy (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437877)

I wish the U.S. had this option! erhm.

Re:chinese democracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437991)

You disgusting racist. Go back to jerking yourself off to Fox.

Re:chinese democracy (1)

TummyX (84871) | more than 8 years ago | (#12438016)

WTF? How was that racist?

If anything, YOU ARE BEING RACIST for thinking implying that democracy is incompatible with the Chinese way of thinking.

Re:chinese democracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12438041)

"Way of thinking" is not race-related, it's a matter of culture and society.

What are they doing with all of the time kids spend in class these days?

Re:chinese democracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12438002)

I bet they would trade their broadband for US' big breasted, beautiful blond women.

Re:chinese democracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12438063)

mmmmm... boobies...

china needs more of these... too many flat-chested chinawoman.

Re:chinese democracy (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12438031)

I bet they would trade their broadband for US' democracy.

Is that the same democracy that has a US president and Congress making laws that apply to single individuals?

Is that the same democracy that holds people indefinitely without charge and without representation in cuba?

Is that the same democracy that give governments the right to spy on you without court orders and without your knowledge?

Is that the same democracy that executes juvenile offenders and the mentally impaired?

Is that the same democracy that has Congress enacting laws which give ridiculous amounts of power to big corporations. (e.g. DMCA, copyright extensions, Broadcast flag )

Hmmm,
Keep your democracy. The rest of the world is better off without it.

Re:chinese democracy (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12438065)

Is that the same democracy...

Yes, it is, and it is still superior to the complete lack of democracy that China has.

Oh snap. I just fucking smoked your comment out of the water. Time for my victor lap.

Re:chinese democracy (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12438120)

Yes, it is, and it is still superior to the complete lack of democracy that China has.

China has come a long way toward democracy lately. You sure can't compare them to North Korea. Moving to quickly can create instabilities. So as long as they are going in the right direction this is a good thing.

As far as the US being superior to China, that is somewhat debatable because it has its own problems in the form of powerful oligarchies which run big business and government.

The US is not a democracy. If it was then it would be 'one person/one vote' NOT 'one dollar/one vote' as it currently tends to be.

Most of Europe and Canada offer much better models for democracy then the US.

Oh snap. I just fucking smoked your comment out of the water. Time for my victor lap.

Only in your mind

Re:chinese democracy (1, Insightful)

updog (608318) | more than 8 years ago | (#12438100)

I bet most people wouldn't. Everyone I've met while in China is generally content, they're much better off than a generation ago. Prosperity abounds and the future looks bright - they are generally happy with their government, and probably wouldn't want to screw things up.

I'm personally a huge fan of democracy, but don't assume that everyone else in the world agrees with us, and certainly don't be lead to believe they want democracy forced upon them.

Great! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437856)

High speed access to everything the government wants them to see.

Mmmmm.... (0, Offtopic)

chill (34294) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437859)

....zombies.

Re:Mmmmm.... (4, Funny)

mrogers (85392) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437915)

Nah, I hear they have a great firewall.

Re:Mmmmm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12438067)

Goddamnit, how come every time us Chinese put up a firewall, stupid Mongolians have to launch DoS.

Chinese ./ effect!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437984)

They could actually set routers on fire and servers crash down in real flames =)

How do you define broadband? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437862)

I don't think most of the subscribers in the U.S. are getting broadband.

Wow in under 5 mins (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437869)

We already have 5 posts that state the blatently obvious.

Something about what Ford Perfect said comes to mind. If only I could remember it....

So? (5, Informative)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437873)

Look at a population map of china [utexas.edu] . Now look at one of the US [wisc.edu] . Half of china has a population density of less than 2.5 people per square mile, and the other half has more than 500. Getting a large section of the country wired very quickly is pretty easy. The US population, on the other hand, is spread really thin. So it's not surprising that China could overtake the US quickly.

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12438053)

Of course, if the US companies would stop sitting around with thumbs up their asses and get fiber rolled out to the densly packed parts of the countries for prices somewhat equivalent to what we're seeing in, say, Korea, we'd start being a little more competitive again.

Don't say it's because there's "no demand" for it. If New York got wired with GigE for $250/month and could provide something resembling reliability, my company would relocate there, property values and taxes be damned. Hell, $1000 or even $5000/mo would be a steal over dealing with keeping two OC-12's or an OC-24 running.

But no, they gotta keep that shittastic monopoly service and spend their millions on senators to make sure that if anyone's going to provide wireless service to farms and small towns, it's going to be them, when they get around to it in 50 years.

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12438073)

Thanks for that 2nd link - duly bookmarked for future reference. I currently live in a navy-blue county (50-100 people per square mile). Next time I move it'll be to a yellow county (less than 10 people per square mile). That is, if I can get cable modem there :-P

Re:So? (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 8 years ago | (#12438101)

The reasons, or excuses, or whatever you want to call it, are not really relevant to their threat as a competitor. They are churning out engineers and other educated people in huge numbers, and their economy is growing very fast.

Some aspects of economics are zero-sum. The world has a fixed amount of minerals and fossil fuels, and only needs a small handful of semiconductor companies.

But most of the content is unavailable... (5, Insightful)

binaryspiral (784263) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437874)

So what if more people in China have broadband... most of the content of the Internet is monitored and filtered by the Chinese government.

Score one for the rest of the free world.

Yeah. (0)

Sunlighter (177996) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437910)

That's just what I was thinking! 57 million Chinese people have internet access, but they only get to see 1/4 of the internet, so that works out to 14.25 million.

Newsflash! (0, Redundant)

SunPin (596554) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437875)

China has enough people to top the US in anything.

Re:Newsflash! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12438010)

Except in average penis length

-Seven Inches in Texas

Re:Newsflash! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12438018)

China has enough people to top the US in anything.

Except in penis size.

Re:Newsflash! (1)

SeventyBang (858415) | more than 8 years ago | (#12438024)

Right.

What about the average family size?

How many kids are Chinese couples permitted to have?

Any Catholic and Mormon Chinese couples have got to be twisting in the wind over what to do with family planning.

It's worthless.... (1)

Palal (836081) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437884)

...because they are being blocked from having access to many websites. And we aren't! HA. Ha. ha.

Re:It's worthless.... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437909)

Wouldn't it be interesting if the internet in the United States were being filtered without us even realizing it?

Re:It's worthless.... (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 8 years ago | (#12438009)

That's true. On my server, I block entire subnets that allow spamming. I know that I have several class A's, and lots of Class B's, and the majority are based in china. And, it's not websites... it's all IP traffic. They're essentially a rogue state on Net. If anything, I think that we'll soon see a Net for China, and a Net for everybody else.

Great firewall (5, Funny)

mrogers (85392) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437897)

Now they can fail to find information about democracy, Falun Gong, Christianity or encryption software at blazing 2 megabit speeds! Hooray for broadband!

Re:Great firewall (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12438079)

I hear that you can see the wall from cyberspace.

Further Developments (5, Funny)

Capella or Bust (521807) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437900)

In other news, reports indicate that the China has far surpassed the US in terms of the number of households that contain "lungs." These "lungs" are being used by the Chinese to breathe "air," and it is widely fear that the Chinese may very well breath more "air" than any other civilized nation on earth, followed closely by India.

Re:Further Developments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437987)

OK, smart guy. Who has more cars?

Yes, but who'd got MORE access? (3, Insightful)

joetheappleguy (865543) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437902)

A big chunk of the Internet is denied to people behind the Great Firewall of China.

Good or bad our 54 million broadband subscribers get the WHOLE Internet, even the crazy North Korean bits

Now when is China going to beat that?

we need cheaper Broadband.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437918)

thats what we really need, cheaper broadband damnit!

What good is broadband if it's censored? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437922)

What good is broadband if you can only access government-approved content? It's well known that the Chinese government censors its citizens' Internet Web site usage: try this [cbsnews.com] or this [wikipedia.org] or this [washingtonpost.com] or this [pcworld.com] ...and that's just for starters. (Try Googling "Internet censorship in China.")

Imagine if we all had personal Gigabit connections directly to the Internet backbone but...the RIAA controlled what sites you could visit. Alternatively, consider this: imagine having that personal Gigabit connection, but you have to subscribe to AOL (with all its...quirks). You can't use any other content provider.

Basically, what China has is a monopoly on information. What good is broadband if you can't even choose what you want to look at?

Re:What good is broadband if it's censored? (1)

lxw56 (827351) | more than 8 years ago | (#12438122)

What good is broadband if you can't even choose what you want to look at?

It speeds up Freenet

Even Canada is higher.. (3, Interesting)

Quickfry (799118) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437925)

Canada is higher than the US, per capita (which is what counts) I mean hell, our country is made up of lots of ice, mountains, and trees, and even our eskimos have a fat pipe!

Re:Even Canada is higher.. (2, Funny)

Wicked187 (529065) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437983)

...even our eskimos have a fat pipe!

I am not sure that is what they are speaking of.

Re:Even Canada is higher.. (3, Informative)

Quickfry (799118) | more than 8 years ago | (#12438020)

Ah. You have obviously heard about Canadians and their 'fat pipes' It's all true.

Could we proof-read the cut'n'paste blurbs, pls? (1)

rco3 (198978) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437956)

The summary says,

"...according to the El Segundo, Calif.-based firm..."

Er... according to WHICH El Segundo, Calif.-based firm? There must be more than one firm in El Segundo, Calif. Or is this the teaser that's supposed to entice me to read the fine article?

Pathetic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12437966)

How often are we going to rely on the crutch "but xx's population density is much higher" or "but xx's population is much greater"

So when China as a nation becomes the pre-eminent superpower and starts meddling in our affairs, are we just going to lie back and take it, saying "it's not our fault, China's bigger than us?"

Too bad (1)

Phil06 (877749) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437967)

too bad they don't have a constitution protecting their right to use it to it's full potential

Battle? (1)

MonsterOfTheLake (880659) | more than 8 years ago | (#12437977)

For the United States to retain its leadership, it must do more, including minimizing regulations on Voice Over Internet Protocol and delivery of video, iSuppli advised. Further, the government should consider tax incentives or other measures to encourage service providers to upgrade their networks, which may help to stave off China in the broadband battle, and increase its penetration level, the firm concluded.

What battle exactly?

China has a higher population. They're eventually going to have more people doing something over a country that has 4 times less population than them.

Stave off China? What does it matter if there are less Americans having a broadband connection than Chinese people? They're supposed to compare the percentages, not the head count.

So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12438036)

Perhaps, Americans just don't care for broadband as much as the Chinese do? Next week, French are able to watch a soccer game every day where in the US one is offered only once a week! The US is quickly following behind athletics!

Is there a Free Software community in China? (1)

LionKimbro (200000) | more than 8 years ago | (#12438061)

I frequently wonder: "What are the Chinese doing with their broadband? Are they writing Free Software with it?"

I look at the Planet Gnome [gnome.org] map, [gnome.org] and I see like: 4 GNOME developers in China.

Is there a Free Software community in China?

Are they working on stuff we don't know about?

I'm having visions of like: One day, we discover there's a third pillar, in addition to just KDE and GNOME. And we didn't even know about it, because everything was worked on in Chinese, which we never searched for.

Re:Is there a Free Software community in China? (1)

tcpli (705627) | more than 8 years ago | (#12438090)

Your speculation makes very much sense, for most western people cannot read Chinese. [The percentage of Chinese who can read English could be much higher than that of Western countries including US]

And thats a fair comparison how? (1)

powerlinekid (442532) | more than 8 years ago | (#12438083)

34 million subscribers, compared to 39 million in the United States. By the end of 2007, China is expected to have 57 million broadband subscribers, compared to 54 million in the United States, with an even wider lead in the years to follow."


39 million... out of 300 million total people.
34 million... out of 6 billion total people.

So 1/9 verse 1/20th of the overall population... hardly seems so bad now. I will say the US is slipping, but that has more to do with our geography and population spread than anything else.

Chinese economic growth (2, Interesting)

NickHydroxide (870424) | more than 8 years ago | (#12438091)

I believe some people are missing the point, and aren't looking at the underlying issue. The relative disparity between economic growth, 'market' (I use the term loosely) functionality and political stability over the past 50 years has meant that while the US has enjoyed sustained and profitable economic growth, China has only turned around a number of its economic policies in the last decade or so; it is thus only recently beginning to develop technologically.

The essence of a comparison is that while the US has proved a hegemonic economic superpower for half a century, a late starter such as China (with a small GDP per capita nowadays, compared to the US, and one which was even smaller 10 years ago) is still able to outstrip the number of broadband connections (clearly indicia of technological advancement and economic modernity).

In one sense, people here are decrying this report as comparing apples and oranges (gross number of connections as opposed to percentages), while simultaneously expounding a similar methodology (comparing countries with gross disparities between GDP and economic histories).

Just something to keep in mind.
Load More Comments
Slashdot Account

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?

Don't worry, we never post anything without your permission.

Submission Text Formatting Tips

We support a small subset of HTML, namely these tags:

  • b
  • i
  • p
  • br
  • a
  • ol
  • ul
  • li
  • dl
  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>
Sign up for Slashdot Newsletters
Create a Slashdot Account

Loading...