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Space Needle To Become WiMax Antenna

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the your-landmarks-at-work dept.

Wireless Networking 219

Technofusion writes "Seattle, Washington has found a new use for their aging Space Needle. Three companies have teamed up to turn the Space Needle into a giant WiMAX antenna. Bruce Chatterley, CEO of Speakeasy, announced it will be the biggest deployment of it's kind in North America with six towers, one placed on the Space Needle and five others around the city , beaming a signal over a 5 square mile area. Don't put away those 802.11b/g cards just yet, as WiMAX is projected to cost $500 a month for 1.5Mb service."

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$500 / month? (0)

w.p.richardson (218394) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441309)

Keep it, thank you very much.

Re:$500 / month? (1)

Urbanite (840142) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441334)

Agreed, in a metro area you can get a t1 for just over $500 a month.

Re:$500 / month? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441547)

Symmetric too

Re:$500 / month? (4, Informative)

CharlieHedlin (102121) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441360)

Read rather than scan the article. It says 6mbits for $800/mo instead of 1.5mbps for $500 (obviously refering to T1 lines).

It is clear they are currently aiming this to be a cost effective upgrade from T1 lines.

6mbps fixed wireless for $800 a month, and it isn't mobile (at this time).

Re:$500 / month? (5, Funny)

DJCacophony (832334) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441386)

But if you put fins and racing stripes on the space needle, the internet will go twice as fast

Re:$500 / month? (2, Funny)

bryanthompson (627923) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441516)

Especially if you paint it yellow.

Re:$500 / month? (1)

Mysticalfruit (533341) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441599)

Don't forget to tint the windows and then have some phrase or word stenciled in bright white on either the back or front windshield...

On a serious note. 500 bucks for a 1.5mbit link?

I thought the whole idea of this emerging technology was to drive the price down?!?

Note: I am the Walrus...

Re:$500 / month? (1)

Woy (606550) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441657)

Actually, my internet already goes twice as fast since i bought a Pentium III, thank you very much.

Re:$500 / month? (1)

Analogy Man (601298) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441749)

If they tricked it out too much the Insectoid Wargons from the planet Prixel would beem down from the mother ship and take it back.

Re:$500 / month? (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441422)

It may be a good deal if you get dedicated bandwidth, provided that the connection is solid. And T1 isn't necessarily solid if you have incompetents doing the service, my local telco retards came out a dozen times in the last year fixing various line problems for my company's T1.

I would get concerned about pranksters or extorters trying to jam the signal. It's illegal to do that but the FCC doesn't seem to enforce their RF rules very much.

Re:$500 / month? (1)

CharlieHedlin (102121) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441672)

Not to mention I can get faster connections for less money in Austin from a couple of companies, both of which run fiber all the way into my building.

I was recently contacted by Time Warner Cable and they said they could do a 5x5 fiber connection for $750/mo (if I remember correctly). I went to the speakeasy site, and it turns out the 6 mbps connection is total bandwidth, and you have to decide how you want the up/down divided.

Not bad as a replacemnt for the T1 (other than the RF jamming issues and such), but late considering other better technologies are already there.

I would be quite happy to pay $50/mo for a mobile 5mbit connection, but that is a few years away.

Re:$500 / month? (1)

mrmagos (783752) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441673)

I'd be concerned about signal hijackers, too.
Although, with our current service (T1), I'm just as worried about road crews. Last summer those assholes cut our lines, and not just once, but twice...

Fuck that. (0)

drewzhrodague (606182) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441432)

Uh, fuck that. Comcast is cheaper, for more bits. Who do they think I am, Bill Gates?

Re:Fuck that. (1)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441491)

You get 6Mbps synchronous from Comcast cheaper than that?

Might want to check your numbers again.

Re:Fuck that. (4, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441554)

More important than being synchronous, in this case, is being symmetric. you can get 6Mbps down from comcast, but the most upstream I've heard of was 768kbps, and the whole package is $100/mo. (It's $65/mo in my area to get 6Mbps/384kbps.)

Re:Fuck that. (0)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441635)

Erm... Yeah. Symmetric. That's what I said. Must have been some bit errors after I submitted. :)

Re:Fuck that. (2, Informative)

lewp (95638) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441625)

It's actually, at most, 3Mbps both ways. Or you can do 4/2, 5/1, etc. Seems slightly misleading to me :(.

http://speakeasy.net/business/wimax/pricing.php [speakeasy.net]

Re:Fuck that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441558)

Discounting the fact that they don't actually expect home users to pay $800 for 1.5Mbps (or even 6Mbps; it's directed at businesses, as a T1 upgrade), Comcast is also shit. Speakeasy is not.

hmmm (-1, Troll)

tsalaroth (798327) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441310)

It won't be long now before there's a giant "Microsoft" sign on the space needle... er wait, that's already been done..

Giant Cell Phone Tower? (3, Interesting)

bfizzle (836992) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441311)

Does anyone know if any other communication devices are mounted on top the space needle?

Re:Giant Cell Phone Tower? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441367)

Most Seattle communications antenna are mounted on top of the Bank of America Tower [emporis.com] , the city's tallest building. All city law enforcement broadcasts use towers up there, as well as several TV stations.

Re:Giant Cell Phone Tower? (5, Funny)

Avyakata (825132) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441423)

Maybe they'll try to disguise it like a giant tree...

Re:Giant Cell Phone Tower? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441476)

Oh dear god. There is one of those off of Jimmy Carter Blvd I believe, in GA.
That things looks so dumb, but I laugh every time I see it.

Re:Giant Cell Phone Tower? (-1, Offtopic)

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$500 dollars a month (3, Funny)

birdwax2k (787311) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441318)

Isnt that a little steep? I think that will make me put away my 802.11 cards so i dont accidentally connect to that signal.

Re:$500 dollars a month (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441571)

if you accidnetly connect an 802.11 card to a WiMax node, I will be way impressed.

Re:$500 dollars a month (1)

MrLizardo (264289) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441640)

But, would you be impressed enough to cover the $500 bill he racks up the first time he connects to the service?

$500 a month? (4, Funny)

robyannetta (820243) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441320)

That's a rather large fee just to read Slashdot while stuck in traffic.

Oh, it's Slashdot. It's worth it.

Even worse (2, Interesting)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441832)

It's even worse than it appears: WiMax doesn't work in traffic. (Have you seen the size of the CPE?)

Radiation? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441323)

Isn't all this radiation going to cause disease?

Re:Radiation? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441437)

I hope so.

- Osama bin Laden, principal investor

It costs how much? (2, Interesting)

raider_red (156642) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441324)

In Seattle, there's probably enough coffee shops to blanket the entire city with wi-fi. Who do they think is actually going to pay those rates?

Re:It costs how much? (4, Funny)

0x461FAB0BD7D2 (812236) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441415)

Tea-drinkers

Re:It costs how much? (2, Interesting)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441424)

In Seattle, there's probably enough coffee shops to blanket the entire city with wi-fi. Who do they think is actually going to pay those rates?

Businesses in the industrial area that are in line of site of the space needle? Those towers on the Space Needle side of Capital Hill? Or how about those coffee shops that provide wifi access them selves.

Re:It costs how much? (2, Interesting)

Stealth Potato (619366) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441431)

I live near Seattle, and whenever I'm there, I crack out the laptop with the WiFi card to do a little hunting for wide-open access points. There are so many of them it's not even funny - there's no need to pay for Internet service in Seattle; just mooch off of some unsuspec-- er, I mean, gracious bandwidth donor! ;-)

Once, I even managed to check my e-mail while moving south on I-5. (Traffic was really bad, and no, I wasn't at the wheel...)

Re:It costs how much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441544)

Once, I even managed to check my e-mail while moving south on I-5. (Traffic was really bad, and no, I wasn't at the wheel...)

Pussy.

Re:It costs how much? (3, Interesting)

MrLizardo (264289) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441440)

Maybe they think that the coffee shops trying to blanket the city in wifi will use this as a backbone to provide Internet access for their wifi hotspots. Less expensive and less of a hassle than getting a T1 line run. Also it has provisions for increasing bandwidth without needing to upgrade equipment.

Re:It costs how much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441714)

"blanket the entire city with wi-fi"

You'll never be without internet porn access, ANYWHERE!

Giant Antenna, NOT (4, Informative)

lildogie (54998) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441329)

The Space Needle will be a platform for a more conventional antenna, not an antenna itself.

Those who live in Seattle know that the Space Needle is shorter than most of the downtown buildings, but it looks tall because zoning keeps high-rise buildings away from it. And there are plenty of higher points where additional antennas could be placed, some of them not even on high-rise buildings (eg. hills).

Re:Giant Antenna, NOT (4, Interesting)

Analogy Man (601298) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441705)

but it looks tall because zoning keeps high-rise buildings away from it....

and photographers have a secret spot on Queen Anne Hill that with the compressed perspective of the right lenses make the Space Needle look like it towers over the skyline.

Re:Giant Antenna, NOT (2, Informative)

GGardner (97375) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441772)

zoning keeps high-rise buildings away from it.

Maybe those same zoning regulations also help the range, with no pesky large buildings to block the signal...

I say (5, Funny)

Sprotch (832431) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441331)

They should turn it into one huge Tesla weapon, Red Alert style. That should thwart off terrorists!

Doesn't *anyone* RTFM anymore? (5, Informative)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441342)



From TFS:


Don't put away those 802.11b/g cards just yet, as WiMAX is projected to cost $500 a month for 1.5Mb service.


And from TFA:


Chatterley says it'll be cheaper and much faster than the 1.5-megabit, T-1 service many businesses currently use.

"(Now), when you go above that speed, it's going to run about $6,000 a month," Chatterley said once he was back inside on firm ground. "What we're introducing today is the delivery of a 6 megabit --versus 1.5 -- data communications solution available for right around $800 a month. (That's) versus the 1.5 (megabit) solution that goes for about $500 a month."


I know that editors can't be bothered to check the accuracy of stories, but you think that at least the submitters would RTFM...

Re:Doesn't *anyone* RTFM anymore? (1)

benja (623818) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441389)

Plus it says that this price is for businesses, and that plans for use by private people are "probably a year away" -- implying that it won't take that long until they have something affordable by end-users.

Re:Doesn't *anyone* RTFM anymore? (1)

jubbjubb (881599) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441393)

The fact that its actually 6 megabit connection makes the relatively high price not seem so bad.

Re:Doesn't *anyone* RTFM anymore? (4, Insightful)

Binestar (28861) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441412)

I know that editors can't be bothered to check the accuracy of stories, but you think that at least the submitters would RTFM...

Actually, it seems the submitter did "read the fine material", but didn't "understand the fine material". It's a reading comprehension issue that we need to resolve with this submitter.

Re:Doesn't *anyone* RTFM anymore? (1)

Skater (41976) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441514)

It's a test so we can weed out those that didn't read the article.

Of course, I didn't read the arti

Re:Doesn't *anyone* RTFM anymore? (1)

Dark Coder (66759) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441807)

Perhaps as the submitter's name implies, the submitter only understands zeroes and ones.

Re:Doesn't *anyone* RTFM anymore? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441444)

No, but sometimes they RTFA.

Re:Doesn't *anyone* RTFM anymore? (1)

rmitz (1182) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441450)

Heck, I even wrote the editor with the correction.

Re:Doesn't *anyone* RTFM anymore? (1)

twiddlingbits (707452) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441553)

I haven't seem anyone paying 6K/Month for a T-1 in a long time. That's not a far price comparison. I looked into getting one put into my house as I don't have high-speed anything where I live (until recently) and it was around $1500/mo. Just recently I was able to find a Wireless Internet provider at 3Mbps for $59/month + $5 for a fixed IP. I can have as many PCs as I like behind the router. So unless Seattle is a LOT higher priced area than Dallas I think they are going to have a tough sell at that price.

Re:Doesn't *anyone* RTFM anymore? (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441801)

No, read it again. If you want more than a T1 (i.e. a T3), then you'll pay $6K/month. I don't think that's very reasonable though, since if you only wanted 6Mbps I suspect you'd be better off bonding a few T1s instead of buying a T3.

You won't need to pay $500 (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441370)

I happen to know the SSID will be "needle" and the WEP key is "12345." Have at it.

Re:You won't need to pay $500 (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441413)

Yea, but I heard they're gonna disable SSID broadcasts....that'll stop unauthorized connections, right? uhh, hello?

Re:You won't need to pay $500 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441713)

"Yea, but I heard they're gonna disable SSID broadcasts"

... and allow only authorized MAC addresses. That'll fix them hackers.

Re:You won't need to pay $500 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441439)

Hey, that's the combination on my luggage !

Re:You won't need to pay $500 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441513)

My wireless card is set at ludicrous speed.

WEP = '12345' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441509)

"That's the kind of thing an idiot would put on his luggage!"

$500 for 1.5Mbit? (1)

brontus3927 (865730) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441388)

Actually, from TFA:

Chatterley says it'll be cheaper and much faster than the 1.5-megabit, T-1 service many businesses currently use.

"(Now), when you go above that speed, it's going to run about $6,000 a month," Chatterley said once he was back inside on firm ground. "What we're introducing today is the delivery of a 6 megabit --versus 1.5 -- data communications solution available for right around $800 a month. (That's) versus the 1.5 (megabit) solution that goes for about $500 a month."

They are saying they will be cheaper than 1.5Mbit access which costs $500/month

Which confuses me greately. Granted my DSL is only half that rate, but I pay $30/month. Cable internet access is ~1.5Mbit and most charge under $50. Maybe they've got a sticky zero key?

Re:$500 for 1.5Mbit? (1)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441433)

They're talking about the business price, not for private persons.

Re:$500 for 1.5Mbit? (2, Insightful)

DJCacophony (832334) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441435)

T1 isn't DSL or Cable. It's fiber. That means higher costs for laying the groundwork and higher costs for the fiber itself, which the ISP passes onto the consumer (usually a business). What you're mostly paying for, however, is a guaranteed 1.5mbps line, not one that fluctuates wildly like DSL or Cable. T1 is much better suited for business because it almost never has any downtime (which of course is greatly valued by businesses, since time = money).

Re:$500 for 1.5Mbit? (1)

bpd1069 (57573) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441497)

t1 are not fiber... they are on copper lines... just like good ol' pots lines.

Re:$500 for 1.5Mbit? (2, Informative)

dfghjk (711126) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441517)

T1 isn't fiber, it's twisted pair. Just a POTS line with the filters taken off. Part of T1 is a builtin backup line so it's two pairs in reality. DSL data rates are fixed just like T1 but frequently assymetrical. The difference is the business grade monitoring and failover and the attitude at the ISP that the service is important.

Re:$500 for 1.5Mbit? (1)

Nos. (179609) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441536)

Actually, T1s can be on fibre or copper. I've seen both. And typically your DSL line is also guarantted bandwidth. Cable modem networks use shared bandwidth, but DSL doesn't, at least no more than a T1.

Re:$500 for 1.5Mbit? (1)

Enigma_Man (756516) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441456)

Which confuses me greately. Granted my DSL is only half that rate, but I pay $30/month. Cable internet access is ~1.5Mbit and most charge under $50. Maybe they've got a sticky zero key?

But you can't actually use your ~1.5 Mbit connection to its full potential all the time, your ISP would pull the plug quickly. Your service also isn't guaranteed to be up however-many-nines of the time. Cable can be had for $20/month for 4 megabit, but that's only 4 megabit peak, many ISPs have in the small print of the agreement that you technically have a limit for average bandwidth that's _much_ smaller. They can also block whatever ports they want, and don't consider downtime a priority like with businesses.

-Jesse

Re:$500 for 1.5Mbit? (1)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441525)

Not to mention that cable and DSL is largely asynchronous. Synchronous bandwidth, even for DSL, can get really expensive.

Re:$500 for 1.5Mbit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441746)

"cable and DSL is largely asynchronous"

Perhaps you mean asymmetrical?

Re:$500 for 1.5Mbit? (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441480)

Next time you get 1.5mbit upload on your cable let me know. What the article also fails to explain is that the line is really 3mbit split anyway you like. 1.5mbit/1.5mbit is just one choice... you can also do 1mbit/2mbit, or .5mbit/2.5mbit etc, etc.

Re:$500 for 1.5Mbit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441853)

Since I love downloading, I'd have to go with the 0/3 (up/down) configuration.

Jeez, that sounded much funnier in my head.

Re:$500 for 1.5Mbit? (1)

mrmagos (783752) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441538)

They're comparing it to T1 service, which is a guaranteed (uptime AND bandwith), synchronous 1.5Mb line. Cable/DSL does not have such a guarantee, and is typically asynchronous (download faster than upload speeds). Plus, a T1 is much more flexible in how it can be used (e.g. voice, data, frame relay, etc...).

Given the choice, I'd still probably go with a T1 over WiMax for now.

Re:$500 for 1.5Mbit? (1)

incog8723 (579923) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441699)

I have cable. $50 / month. I regularly get over 3Mb/s, and my neighbor gets about 6Mb/s in the same building. The only problem are the outages. Regards

Can't they use for more productive things? (4, Funny)

gowen (141411) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441390)

A launching platform from which fans can throw rotting vegetables at the 2005 Seattle Mariners, for example.

Re:Can't they use for more productive things? (1)

Quae (881525) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441515)

And other fans, of course

Awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441392)

I have a line of sight view to the Space needle, in fact I live on top of a hill so pretty much all I see is the top of it. Looking forward to having WiMax!

Re:Awesome (3, Insightful)

bananahead (829691) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441703)

You will be lookung forward to it for a very long time. WiMax to the home is just not going to happen. The 802.16 standard is TDMA-based, which means every connection takes a time-slice. This design does not scale to the home. The decision-point is coverage vs. density. A WiMax tower can cover a HUGE area, given that the density of actual users does not exceed ther time-slice availability. To cover a high-density area, like neighborhoods, you have to add more 'hot-spots', which drives the cost to the providor WAY up.

Stick with DSL and MIMO, you are better off.

Re:Awesome (1)

Cyclone_TBW (812384) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441782)

I am in line of sight for the space needle. I figure in a year after the hype(read: price reduction) has died down I look into this service. I like how Speakeasy has always pushed the broadband barrier here. It's nice having an alternative to Qwest.

Re:Awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441835)

A Greenville, SC company named Mainstreet WIMAX (mainstreetwimax.com) is offering residential wireless service for $20. One of my coworkers has it and says it works well. So how can they provide WIMAX service (I assume that it is from their name) for only $20 per month.

HAHAHA (2, Insightful)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441398)

Its actually 6Mb.
They are trying to sell this as a replacement for buisness T1 thats why the prices are so high. Though I seriously doupt they can provide the reliability and the uplink speeds of a T1. Not to mention the fact that a 6Mb T1 really doesn't cost 6 grand anymore like they are trying to imply. Maybe it does in Seattle? Now if they can provide all my workers access to the internet (obivously their bandwidth would be set to max out as an aggregate to the 6Mb between all connections) from whereever they are in the city, $500 is a steal. Otherwise, no thanks.

Re:HAHAHA (3, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441581)

Its actually $800, for 6Mbps. And there is no such thing at a 6Mb T1. It's 1.544Mbps or less depending on signalling.

HAHAHA

Re:HAHAHA (1)

alta (1263) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441647)

What is a 6MB T1?? I have a T1 here at the office, and it's 1.5MB, and we pay around $400. Now, if I had 4 of them, that would be 6MB worth of T1. Or we could go T3, and get it tuned down to 6MB, but that would cost more than 4 T1's...

So, what's a 6MB T1? 4 bonded T's?

We also have this nifty little snapgear router, that also accepts a second connection, that I have a 6MB comcast link plugged into. The T1 is the default route for the mail servers, comcast is for the users... It's obviously not bonded, but it fails over to the other should one go down... and with my secondary MX and DNS pointed to the semi-permenant comcast IP, I've got some cheap ass redundancy....

For those wondering, it's a snapgear 575.
http://www.cyberguard.com/products/firewall/SG_Fam ily/SG575.html?lang=de_EN [cyberguard.com]

You sir are an idiot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441803)

Since the definition of a T1 is 24 DS0s which gives a link speed of 1.544mbps, there is no such thing as a 6mb T1. Therefore the headline of this post is true.
The nearest to 6mbps DS standards is a DS-2 which is 6.312mbps meaning a T2 or an E2 for the customer depending on what side of the pond you are on.
Also to all of the other morons out there a T1 on fiber is properly referred too as a VT1 (actually any link that is not 24 DS0s but is instead a bigger pipe that is in one shape or another restricted to 1.544mbps should be referred to this way meaning optical, wireless, or really, really fast pigeons).

Re:HAHAHA (2, Interesting)

Dopefish_1 (217994) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441849)

They are trying to sell this as a replacement for buisness T1 thats why the prices are so high. Though I seriously doupt they can provide the reliability and the uplink speeds of a T1.

I used to work at a small ISP where we pushed wireless access similar to this for business customers (but on a smaller scale than TFA is talking about). Basically, you put an antenna up on the customer's roof with line-of-sight to one of our POPs, toss in a router, then generally just run cat5 from the router to their internal PCs. IIRC you could get up to about 2Mb with our type of setup.

We preferred this to setting up a T1 because it was generally more reliable. Not that T1 service in our area was bad (it wasn't), but it's always a plus to not have to deal with the Telco. Pretty much the only points of failure were the routers at each end of the link and the antenna.

Now, whether this Space Needle implementation will take off, I don't know. But the concept of wireless as a T1 replacement is certainly sound.

1.5 Megabits for $500 (5, Interesting)

Sprotch (832431) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441427)


Perhaps someone should tell them that a company called Free offers access up to 20 Megabits for 30/month in France.

Oh, and it comes with free local calls and ADSL "cable" television.

That's actually a consequence of the Europe induced forced deregulation of the telecom industry. Competition is good.

Re:1.5 Megabits for $500 (1)

Inkieminstrel (812132) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441555)

Is that Free as in speech or Free as in beer?

Re:1.5 Megabits for $500 (2, Insightful)

dick johnson (660154) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441611)

You're comparing apples and oranges.

WiMax potentially would give anyone with access to it the ability to surf the web wirelessly within a 30 mile range of the antenna.

WiMax will be WiFi on steroids. Plus it allows you to surf while traveling at relatively high speeds. Your kids could be surfing the web in the backseat of your car as you travel down the highway.

Comparing it to ADSL or any other wired broadband internet service misses the point of the technology.

Re:1.5 Megabits for $500 (1)

samael (12612) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441655)

And it does that wirelessly?

Re:1.5 Megabits for $500 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441679)

free local calls

As opposed to what?

Re:1.5 Megabits for $500 (1)

penguin phil (880033) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441683)

That's in France. In Britain, while costs are dropping rapidly, many telecoms are still over-charging or enforcing restrictive download limits which puts anything more than 2mbps broadband out of range for a LOT of small businesses, schools etc.

While I'd personally love to see a wimax antenna strapped to the side of Blackpool tower (I'd be in range), it'd either be far too expensive to actually use or the signal would suffer at the hands of our wonderful British weather!

Power-line BB seems like a more practical (& cheap) solution TBH.

Re:1.5 Megabits for $500 (1)

MrLizardo (264289) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441842)

In terms of weather the Seattle roll-out should make a decent simulation of how it would perform in Britain.

Re:1.5 Megabits for $500 (1)

skyshock21 (764958) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441728)

And this is a wireless synchronous connection? Highly doubtful.

Summary is a little off... (4, Informative)

DJCacophony (832334) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441474)

Space Needle To Become WiMax Antenna

The needle itself isn't going to be turned into one giant antenna. They're just putting an access point on top of it (FTA: Antennas and radio equipment are being installed 605 feet up at the top of the Space Needle).

This is a plot from a movie (2, Funny)

StCredZero (169093) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441487)

Namely, Tenchi Muyo in Love [imdb.com] . At the end of the movie, the Tenchi gang have to set up 5 transmitters around the city and one on Tokyo Tower in order to defeat the super criminal Kain. Maybe Seattlites should be on the lookout for green spiky haired women who can fly and materialize energy swords.

Photoshop (-1, Offtopic)

shamowfski (808477) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441500)

[Photoshop] [google.com] Link goes to inspiration.

the next ghostbusters live action (0)

Muhammar (659468) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441608)

will happen in Seattle

bubble-busters agian (1)

TheHawke (237817) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441613)

Someone forgot to mention the lensing effects when you have a microwave antenna put up at high elevations. The inherent characteristics of the antenna's radiation patters dictate how much coverage the setup will have at any given height. SO the best thing in this case is that someone is going to have to sit down at a terminal with a antenna creator program, build an antenna that has optimum horizontal emission patterns to operate at 600 feet.

Hey, its either that or set the antennas at a optimum level on the Needle itself, then disguising/camoflaging them so that they do not disfigure the tower.

Hey, which is cheaper and gives more coverage for the buck? You let your pocketbook sort that one out.

seventeen bucks to go up to the top of that thing (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12441629)

at least now they can use some of the cash they scammed out of the tourists to provide a useful service

Not Wi-Fi replacement not $500 per month (2, Interesting)

eggboard (315140) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441644)

A few errors in this item's text. First, it's not Wi-Fi replacement. This version of WiMax (technically pre-WiMax at the moment) is point-to-multipoint high-speed T-1-plus replacement.

It's $800 per month for 6 Mbps aggregate bandwidth in either 3 up/3 down, 4 up/2 down, or 2 up/4 down configurations. It's intended for businesses that need more than T1 (about $500 per month in Seattle) and don't want to simply double their costs and increase their complxity.

Obvious Question... (1)

feloneous cat (564318) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441646)

To get reception does that mean I have to lug around a Space Needle of my own?

Any comment taken seriously is the responsibility of the reader

Looks interesting (3, Funny)

part_of_you (859291) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441718)

802.11b/g cards = $50.00

1.5Mb service = $800.00/Month

subscription to pornography site = $35.00/Month

Viewing high-speed porn using a recycled NASA instrument called a "Space Needle" = Priceless

Damn... (2, Funny)

PenguinBoyDave (806137) | more than 9 years ago | (#12441751)

I can buy a lot of wire for $500.00 per month!
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