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PSP UMD Format Cracked

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the it's-only-a-matter-of-time dept.

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slewfo0t writes "PS2info.com user Paradox has found a way to read the files off of the new UMD disks for the PSP. Good to know that those files aren't completely locked. "

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Great. So when can we start warezing games? (5, Funny)

glrotate (300695) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443806)

Inquiring minds want to know.

Re:Great. So when can we start warezing games? (0)

The Slashdotted (665535) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443838)

Just before it runs linux.

Re:Great. So when can we start warezing games? (1)

realmolo (574068) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443914)

Well, someone still needs to figure out how to make the PSP boot from a memory card. Once that's figured out, then you'll be able to run whatever you want on the thing, including ripped games. You'd need huge memory cards, of course. The UMD discs hold 1.8GB.

Re:Great. So when can we start warezing games? (1)

calibanDNS (32250) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443974)

The real barrier to this will likely be the price of memory sticks rather than technical difficulties. A 2GB memory stick (for a game that used the entire 1.8GB of the UMD) will run you at least US $200. I can't see many people forking over that much for a memory stick when the legit copies of the games are that much cheaper.

Re:Great. So when can we start warezing games? (4, Insightful)

gasp (128583) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444087)

History disagrees with you. A flashcard system for the GBA costs about the same ratio, and that doesn't seem to be a barrier. Forking over the cost of 4 games to pirate dozens is often a no-brainer for the less ethically-challenged.

Re:Great. So when can we start warezing games? (1)

murphyslawyer (534449) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444095)

The joy of flash memory is that you don't have to keep only one thing on it for all time.

You could buy one 2GB stick and store your other games on a PC, and just swap em out when you're done. It might just be me, but I usually stick to one game for a while, not flipping between 3-4 different ones.

Re:Great. So when can we start warezing games? (4, Insightful)

GutBomb (541585) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444127)

I can't see many people forking over that much for a memory stick when the legit copies of the games are that much cheaper.


I can buy every game currently available and all games that will ever come out for the PSP for a total price of $200?

$200 for every game currently released and every game to be released in the future is quite a bargain. sure you can only have 1 game on the memory stick at once, but you can have an entire library of games on your hard drive that you can copy onto the memory stick one at a time.

not that i would pirate software... no way... not me...

Wait for it... (0)

DaHat (247651) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443816)

Here come the C&D's!!!

ho hum (1)

RestonVA (593792) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443820)

EOM

Oh good! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12443821)

Now I can make backups of my PSP games! And backups of the backups! And backups of the backups of the backups! They can have my God-given right to make backup copies of all my media when they pry it from my cold, dead attorney! Now if only I could make a backup of my PSP.

Re:Oh good! (1)

DaHat (247651) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443851)

God given right to make backups?

Granted I abandoned religion years ago... I don't remember such a line in the Bible, the Quran, Torrah, Book of Mormon or any other for that matter... any chance you could point me to that passage?

duh (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12443884)

Why do you think moses has two tablets in all those paintings?

Re:duh (0)

DaHat (247651) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443968)

Didn't it have something to do with there being 5 commandments on each of the tablets? Or are you referring to the mythical 3rd tablet?

Re:Oh good! (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443913)

I think it comes from the fact that the LORD wants followers to share. Read More... [slashdot.org]

Re:Oh good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12443975)

Because the US of A is sactioned by God, silly. Don't you read the money?

Re:Oh good! (1)

EiZei (848645) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444041)

Thou shalt be allowed to do whatever thy wants to thys property?

Re:Oh good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12444072)

My religion lacks a book of faith you insensitive clod!

Re:Oh good! (1)

sehlat (180760) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444108)

ZOE: Preacher, don't the Bible have some pretty specific things to say about killing?

BOOK: Quite specific. It is, however, somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.

still (0, Flamebait)

Prince Vegeta SSJ4 (718736) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443825)

doesn't make the PSP very attractive, having to hack it to be able to use media (like movies) on other devices.

1st post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12443828)

woot!

Still can't download games (1, Informative)

Danimoth (852665) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443829)

The PSP uses those small little minicds, which you still can't burn to. Although I guess its a step forward.

Re:Still can't download games (1)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443908)

PSP Emulator anyone? (all practical reasons aside)

Re:Still can't download games (1)

mcc (14761) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443924)

The PSP uses those small little minicds, which you still can't burn to.

Yeah, but it also has those memory sticks, which you can write to. And now that they've figured out how to get the games *off* the UMDs, they can put them on the memory sticks. Now it's just a matter of figuring out how (modchip?) to boot games off the memory stick.

Of course the memory sticks are way more expensive than the games and Sony probably makes more money off of them than the games, but that's neither here nor there.

Re:Still can't download games (1)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443946)

Thats ok....buy a huge memory stick (so it costs a few bucks), then hack your PsP, and then get all the games/movies you want for free. Copy them to the stick and have fun.

Personally, having to buy my fav movies AGAIN so i can watch them on the PsP? Sony must be smoking crack.

Re:Still can't download games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12443994)

....buy a huge memory stick (so it costs a few bucks), then hack your PsP, and then get all the games/movies you want for free

There's no need for hacking if you want to watch movies on it. Just encode them to mpeg or MP4 and copy them onto the memory stick. It's an advertised feature.

Re:Still can't download games (1)

calibanDNS (32250) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444013)

Memory sticks with enough capacity for this run in the hundreds of dollars. It's almost cheaper to buy a PVP that supports non-DRM'ed video. Plus the PVP will probably have at least a 20GB HD, which will let you cary way more video. I just don't see the PSP being a competitve protable video solution.

Re:Still can't download games (1)

radish (98371) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444132)

I can get a movie on a 512mb stick, which costs around $50. Sure, it would be nice to have lots of rips on a hard drive, but what the PSP lacks in being the ultimate video player it makes up for (IMHO) by also playing games.

Re:Still can't download games (1)

P-Nuts (592605) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443999)

Of course the memory sticks are way more expensive than the games and Sony probably makes more money off of them than the games, but that's neither here nor there.

But if you can fit one game on to one memory stick, and also have a computer to save a collection of games to, you can always rewrite (quite a few times) to the memory stick. Then you are only limited in the number of games you can play on a single trip away from your computer.

Re:Still can't download games (2, Insightful)

radish (98371) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444156)

Just as a clarification - the PSP already supports playing games from sticks, it's just that no-one has released one yet. I'm guessing there's some packaging and signing that has to happen rather than just mounting an ISO.

Re:Still can't download games (1)

Em Ellel (523581) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443958)

The PSP uses those small little minicds, which you still can't burn to. Although I guess its a step forward.

Are you talking about standard 3" miniCD/miniDVDs? Those are fairly widely available, no? Or are the PSP disks different?

-Em

Re:Still can't download games (4, Informative)

Lukey Boy (16717) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444077)

Totally different - the PSP uses UMDs (Universal Media Discs), which are completely closed and proprietary.

Re:Still can't download games (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12444143)

Sort of funny that "universal" means closed and proprietary...

Re:Still can't download games (2, Informative)

brontus3927 (865730) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443965)

Added to the fact that Sony may opening up the UMD format [engadget.com] so that black market blank UMDs could be available, it very well could be in the future

Re:Still can't download games (1)

moonbender (547943) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443993)

Maybe somebody will figure out a way to read applications from the memory sticks savegames and music are stored on...

for now.. (2, Insightful)

selfabuse (681350) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443833)

"Good to know that those files aren't completely locked. "

...yet.

Write access? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12443834)

When will the driver support full read/write? I need write access for a project.

Re:Write access? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12443909)

Ok here is a chance for you to something cool. Get off your lazy butt and start coding!

Sony PSP (1)

Princess Tarja (876619) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443836)

necessity is the mother of all hacking!

page not found (2, Interesting)

skyshock21 (764958) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443837)

Did sony threa ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H ask politely for the page to be removed?

Re:page not found (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443868)

I think it was more along the lines of Slahdot sending an unintentional Cease and Desist.

Slashdotted (4, Funny)

Alaren (682568) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443892)

Nah, they just submitted the news to Slashdot. Cheaper than lawyers. Faster than a gag order. More powerful than a botnet... d^_^b

Let me ask (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12443847)

So, how cool is this? I have yet to play with a PSP, but I've been very intrigued just by it's design. What could allow it's users to do?

Before anyone asks (0, Offtopic)

publicenemy23 (875823) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443848)

Yes, it does run Linux http://dslinux.org/ [dslinux.org]

Re:Before anyone asks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12443990)

If by "it" you're refering to the Nintendo DS, the PSP's deadly rival, then, you are correct.

Re:Before anyone asks (1)

lord_rob the only on (859100) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444011)

Hmmm topic talks about the Sony PSP, not the Nintendo DS ...

MirrorDOT (2, Informative)

Dayflowers (729580) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443853)

Mirror at mirrordot [mirrordot.org] ...

Re:MirrorDOT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12443922)

Showhow i DONT think engadget needs mirroring you fucktwat

Mobile Gaming (3, Interesting)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443855)

So now that some of the hype has settled with regards to the PSP:

Has anyone had a chance to compare the PSP with the other gaming systems out there? I'm seriously considering picking up *something* to occupy my attention on the flights I'm going to start taking over the next couple of months (somehow I've fallen into the business-travel trap).

I'd like to get a decent system. The ability to watch movies is a big draw, but obviously nothing's out in Sony's proprietary format and I imagine I'd need one hell of a memory stick to watch anything from one, and it hurts my black little soul to think seriously about rewarding Sony for their shitty proprietary memory format.

Played a little bit of Metroid on the Nintendo DS and it was okay. Not so sure I liken the approach that much -- I suspect that touchscreen would get scratched all to hell eventually like the screen on my Palm V did.

I've browsed around the web a bit but haven't been able to find a comparison or even a real decent set of reviews from anywhere I'd trust (note to most gaming websites: Yeah, we've figured out you're whores. The ads for the product on the same page as the review was a tip-off).

Opinions/Assistance? Is it even worth it, or should I just buy a nice book and charge up my iPod?

Fascinating device. (5, Insightful)

Grendel Drago (41496) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443900)

I'm seriously considering picking up *something* to occupy my attention on the flights I'm going to start taking over the next couple of months

There's this fascinating device, you have have heard of it. It's called a "book", and it's rather cheaper than a PSP.

Snark, snark, snark.

-grendel drago

Keep on readin' there, partner. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12443933)

Ahem:

Opinions/Assistance? Is it even worth it, or should I just buy a nice book and charge up my iPod?

Re:Mobile Gaming (2, Informative)

dioscaido (541037) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443954)

The DS is an unforgivably underpowered portable (in terms of processor and graphics). The two screens a gimmic that gets old after a few days. It's wireless capibility is pretty nifty, but the games are very underwhelming.

The PSP is essentially a PDA that can play music, movies, and can play games with graphics/features somewhere between the PS1 and PS2.

Re:Mobile Gaming (4, Insightful)

acvh (120205) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443995)

The PSP is absolutely a good handheld gaming device. The screen is gorgeous, the games (I have Wipeout, Lumines and Mercury) are eminently playable and enjoyable. I chose those games because I wanted something I could pick up, play for a short time, and put down again. RPGs and the like demand a longer time investment than I have available to me.

It came with Spiderman2, I watched the opening few minutes and it looked great, but I didn't like the movie enough to watch the whole thing again. Apparently you can convert ripped DVDs to lower resolution to put on 512MB memory cards to watch, but I haven't tried.

No, it doesn't replace reading. But it's a nice diversion, and I think it well worth the prioce.

Re:Mobile Gaming (5, Informative)

Jarlsberg (643324) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444026)

There are some good comparisons on Usenet, if you search it via Google groups. I've got both consoles (Nintendo DS and Sony PSP), so I'll chip in with an opinion. They're both good consoles, with some unique strenghts that make it worthwhile to own both.

The Nintendo DS has the most addictive games out there (Super Mario 64 DS is pretty awesome, if you like that type of game. However, I don't care for Metroid at all. It's nice enough, but it's a pretty boring game). The touch screen is a stroke of genius, because it gives you the combination of a wonderful analog "stick" (via the thumb stylus) and an ordinary touch screen/stylus combo.

Sony PSP has a wonderful and absolutely beautiful screen, no doubt, and I really like the size of it. It's got a decent MP3 player, a good photo viewer, but the speaker is not all that good. The sound output is much inferior to Nintendo DS and GBA SP, which is a bit odd. It doesn't have a lot of games released for it yet, but if you like racing games and card games/puzzles, you're in for a treat.

I wouldn't recommend either one above the other. They're both great consoles.

Re:Mobile Gaming (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444029)

"Book + iPod" sounds like a good bet, or you could grab a used Gameboy Advance SP for cheap. Those struck me as being more fun than the DS, just because the dual screens seem like a gimmick.

I agree, though -- Sony is too evil to reward. Besides, the battery life sucks anyway...

By the way, as far as the screen scratching goes, they make those stick-on screen protectors for the Palm, and you should be able to cut them to fit on the Nintendo DS.

Re:Mobile Gaming (1)

Enigma_Man (756516) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444140)

The dual screens truly are a godsend. On a lot of games, the developers didn't seem to know what to do with it, so it's just used as a map or inventory screen, but the games that do make use of it are wonderful! Mario DS is my favorite time-waster, you can play the adventure game for long periods of time-wasting, or one of the myriad mini games for short waste periods. The minigames make great use of the touchscreen. One of my favorites is dragging bomb-ombs to their defusing pens, they start coming onto the screen faster and faster.

Once the hardware gets a little more hacked (it's in the works) having the touchscreen function as a character input a-la palm is going to rock the house. Linux anybody?

-Jesse

Re:Mobile Gaming (3, Interesting)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444071)

Has anyone had a chance to compare the PSP with the other gaming systems out there?


This is just a light opinion post...

My brother bought a Nintendo DS the day it came out. I've had a lot of opportunities to play it including a flight to Switzerland and 2 round trip train rides to Boston (4 hours each way).

The battery life was pretty good and it felt really solid. However it was hard getting used to the "thumb" attachment which lets you use the touchpad for directional-control instead of the directional pads.

The experience was alright but not that great; I grew tired of it pretty quickly. Mario 64 was cool (as were the mini games) but his 2 other games weren't that captivating. After a while I was only playing it because I was bored and forgot to bring a book.

I bought a PSP a week or 2 after they came out since I was travelling again and didn't want to bring my brother's DS. I now have Lumines, Wipeout, and Mercury.

Before getting to the "experience," I will give 2 words of warning. I had to exchange my first unit because it had about 15 dead pixels, the store people were shocked and helped me out ASAP. My replacement now has none. Also it "feels" flimsy, but only where the mini-disc compartment is. It flips out like a book (almost like a top-loading VCR from the 80's) and that "door" has a little play. But everything else feels really sturdy.

The battery life is pretty good too. My experience is it lasts only a little less (maybe 20%) than a Nintendo DS.

The games are pretty fun. Lumines has become my new "Tetris," and I play it constantly. It started slow but I'm addicted. Wipeout is like F-Zero (for SNES users), it's a hoot. Mercury is great... frustrating... but a great puzzle game.

For pure fun both my brother and I recommend the PSP. In fact he now regrets getting the DS and wants a PSP. However it's more expensive than the DS and the games usually cost $10USD more than Nintendo DS games.

Personally I'm quite pleased with my purchase. But your mileage may vary.

Re:Mobile Gaming (3, Informative)

lou2ser (458778) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444076)

Personally, I'm still holding onto my GBA SP for travel. Its small, nice battery life, backlit for redeye flights.

I bought a 512MB GBA Flash Advance cartridge from http://www.easybuy2000.com/ [easybuy2000.com] so I can load the emulators from http://www.zophar.net/consoles/gameboy.html [zophar.net] and play classic gaming on the go. The 512MB card holds every NES game I own, plus a few of my GBA cartridges. This makes it very easy to travel, its an all in one unit. No loose games to loose.

I couple that with a PDA screen protector on the GBA SP screen. The GBA closes to protect the screen, but I had some old protectors laying around and they work great for this. Just cut them to size. You could do the same thing with the DS; if you don't have any, look on ebay for a discontinued PDA's protectors. You pay more in shipping then the actual item, but its still less than $5.

Re:Mobile Gaming (1)

radish (98371) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444085)

I can easily fit a movie on my 512mb memory stuck, which cost something like $50. Not a big deal IMHO. Picture quality is fantastic. Of course if you want multiple movies you'll either need multiple cards, or more compression. I'm happy with my PSP and use it every day on the commute to/from work.

hmm (4, Funny)

donutface (847957) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443856)

If it was completely locked in the first place, how can the PSP read it?

How soon? (-1, Redundant)

lake2112 (748837) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443862)

How soon before games can be copied and run from a memory stick?

Not much there (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12443863)

I didn't see much info in the blurb, but is it safe to assume they're ripping it on the PSP and sending it over USB? (Or whatever it has, I THINK it had USB).

Whee, reminds me of the old Dreamcast ripping stuff.

Not useful for piracy (1)

110010001000 (697113) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443865)

Just so you know and don't rush out to buy a PSP because there are "free" ISO's available:

This doesn't work for pirating games, simply because they don't sell disks big enough to fit a pirated ISO

Re:Not useful for piracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12443912)

I don't burn ISO's that I download, its easy enough to use a loopback device to mount the image file as a virtual drive.

Nonsense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12443996)

Sony PSP Dimensions: Approx. 170 mm (L) x 74 mm (W) x 23 mm (D)

(this puts a bound of 74 mm on the biggest disc that can fit)

CD/DVD: diameter (120mm) and thickness (1.2mm)

see? 120mm is big enough.

More about UMD disks (5, Informative)

blogtim (804206) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443876)

In case you are out of the gaming loop like me, UMD stand for Sony's proprietary 1.8 GB "Universal Media Disk [playstation.com] ".
UMD (Universal Media Disc) is a new, proprietary, high-capacity optical medium enabling game software, full-motion video and other forms of digital entertainment content such as movies and music, to be stored. The newly developed UMD is the next-generation compact storage media and at only 60mm in diameter, can store up to 1.8GB of digital data, making it perfect for a portable entertainment player like the PSP system. UMD stores a broad range of digital entertainment content including games, music, movies, and more.
Funny how it is called "universal". Anyway, I found an interesting thread on UMD disks [emuboards.com] at Emuboards.

Re:More about UMD disks (5, Funny)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443943)

Universal Media Disc

Funny how it is called "universal"

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Re:More about UMD disks (1)

blogtim (804206) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444035)

universal (y'n-vûr'sl) adj.
  1. Of, relating to, extending to, or affecting the entire world or all within the world; worldwide: "This discovery of literature has as yet only partially penetrated the universal consciousness" (Ellen Key).
  2. Including, relating to, or affecting all members of the class or group under consideration: the universal skepticism of philosophers. See synonyms at general.
  3. Applicable or common to all purposes, conditions, or situations: a universal remedy.
  4. Of or relating to the universe or cosmos; cosmic.
  5. Knowledgeable about or constituting all or many subjects; comprehensively broad.
  6. Adapted or adjustable to many sizes or mechanical uses.
I was thinking 3 - but you are right, something can be proprietary and universal at the same time. As long as everyone in the universe uses it.

Re:More about UMD disks (1)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444067)

Actually, I was speaking to Sony, and that was a quote from The Princess Bride.

A bit obscure I guess.

Re:More about UMD disks (4, Funny)

brontus3927 (865730) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444033)

Funny how it is called "universal".

Every PSP can read it, how much more universal can you get?

Cool, I guess (4, Insightful)

Jarlsberg (643324) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443879)

Good thing for all wannabe PSP "pirates", although this certainly doesn't increase the chances that Sony will produce a consumer UMD burner, but those chances were slim to begin with anyway...


This is early days, for sure, but I wonder if it will be possible to play UMD extracted games from a memory chip in the future (whenever 2GB chips are released...). Would be a bugger to copy 1+ GB to a memory chip, I guess, not to speak of the memory chip being so expensive in the first place. ;/

Re:Cool, I guess (2, Informative)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443934)

Like this one [videodirect.com] ?

Re:Cool, I guess (1)

Jarlsberg (643324) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444057)

Wow, I'm really out of date with my intel. Thanks for the link. Hopefully, it'll drop in price over the coming year :)

Read the thread (4, Interesting)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443882)

The comments thread on the page in interesting. Can the PSP read a mini CD? I don't advocate stealing games, but the prospect of running linux on the harware is cool. They are booting Linux on the Nintendo DS [dslinux.org] .

In a related story... (1)

mathmatt (851301) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443894)

Sony has found a way to write files off to the new UMD disks for the PSP.

eggchicken ||chickenegg

So when are we going to get a Linux port? (4, Interesting)

maynard (3337) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443895)

OK, so the umd disc was cracked and now some folks are passing around image files. Great. Whatever. What I'd like to see is arbitrary image execution for a Linux port so I can stick in a usb keyboard and mouse and run emacs on the thing. Talk about a handy little note taker! I could care less about the cracked games... Come on Sony, help us out here! --M

emacs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12443950)

lol @ fag

Re:So when are we going to get a Linux port? (1)

Aadain2001 (684036) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443972)

Just check out www.psp-linux.org. People are working hard to find entry points into the PSP, and reading UMD disks is a small step in that direction. The next woud be to be able to write such disks and attempt to find a way to execute arbitrary code from that disk. Then we will see a PSP Linux distro that you can buy on a little disk and not have to crack it open :) Just give it time.

Re:So when are we going to get a Linux port? (2, Informative)

bowronch (56911) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444022)

Apparently someone has been able to run a hello world app off a memory stick, but it requires downgrading to a 1.0 firmware which removes an encryption requirement for running code off the memory stick... link and discussion are here [ps2dev.org]

Re:So when are we going to get a Linux port? (1)

ranolen (581431) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444080)

I know I am going to get rated way down, but I don't get what the point of running linux on every piece of hardware is. It's not like you are going to be able to do everything you can on a desktop as the hardware just is not there. Just get a laptop and deal with it, this is just getting stupid!!!

Wow (5, Insightful)

Tufriast (824996) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443919)

I don't even know why companies bother making proprietary formats anymore. Games are games, and systems are systems. They get hacked so fast now it's almost a waste of money to bother layer on the security. Unless they can 100% control the H/W from being taken apart, or the code being looked at - it should just be open source. I think using an obscure ISO standard is a joke as well. If it's a format anything outside of a self-invented multi-layered security device - it's gonna be blown open.

Re:Wow (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12444061)

NES/SNES just used roms, but aside from the whole Tengen mess, no ones fully cracked the CIC security chip.

20+ years with endless popularity and still protected.

Re:Wow (2, Interesting)

ityllux (853334) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444138)

Just because it's "proprietary" doesn't mean they're trying to make it unbreakable. Usually proprietary formats are the result of a company figuring out the simplest and cheapest combination of hardware and software they can make.

As to why they don't make it open source, they really have no reason to. Why should they care if people can't make ISO copies without having to reverse engineer the hardware?

The worst assignment. (3, Funny)

gatkinso (15975) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443949)

PHB: "Make us an uncrackable format, you."

You: "Dammit."

Three months later, read about how you miserably failed on /.

Emus! (1)

Fizzyboy (774711) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443952)

Who cares? I want my SNES emu! Related note...I heard that Wipeout Pure was going to be taken off the market soon.

Got list? (2, Interesting)

amichalo (132545) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443960)

Who's got a list of format's not hacked?
- PSP UMB [engadget.com]
- N Gage [interesting-people.org]
- DVD [videohelp.com]
- Audio CD [cdfreaks.com]
- DVD Audio [cnn.com]

all have been visited by hackers

yay!!! (2, Insightful)

mangus_angus (873781) | more than 9 years ago | (#12443979)

Now I just have to download the games, run down to my local best buy and buy a UMD burn.......er...ummm never mind.

Re:yay!!! (1)

brontus3927 (865730) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444128)

From TFA:
UMD discs use the standard ISO9669 format

It's only a matter of time before someone creates a utility to burn UMD disks with your existing CD burner. Now to just go about getting those blank UMDs...

Ha! That will teach Sony! (1)

Cr0w T. Trollbot (848674) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444037)

Instead of buying games from games developers, they'll just download them from the Internet and burn them to Sony MiniDiscs instead! Yeah, that will teach them!

Hey, wait a minute...

Crow T. Trollbot

AHEM... (0, Troll)

goldspider (445116) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444055)

Of course, this is of particular interest to those of us who want to downl^H^H^H shar^H^H^H cop^H^H^H pirat^H^H^H make backups of PSP games.

Re:AHEM... (1)

brontus3927 (865730) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444158)

downl^H^H^H shar^H^H^H cop^H^H^H pirat^H^H^H make backups...

Here, let me clean that up for you:

d s pi make backups.

Didn't hit that backspace key quite enough times there, methinks

Viva la 1980s (2, Interesting)

supercowpowers (834391) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444062)

I thought we had left cartridges behind.

By that, I mean the idea that you should only be able to do things with your device that licensed developers have been blessed enough to be allowed to do. If you want to make your own games or software, pony up a few Gs and sign an NDA for a 'development kit'.

Minidisc, Memory Stick, UMD, Sony just doesn't get it. Why go through all the trouble to put such promising power in the palms of your hands, only to lock up its capabilities in proprietary media formats, in the year 2005 when it's no longer technically or economically necessary to do so?

I can understand Sony's motivations to do this: protecting their image, preventing piracy, etc, but the PSP seems to me to be more than the simple game consoles of old. Why block out developers who could do amazing things for your platform (make it more attractive!) because your content division gets to make all the decisions...

Actually... (2, Interesting)

Sprotch (832431) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444069)

A propriatory format has been successful before. The Gamecube's mini-DVDs seem to have been sufficient to protect it from widespread piracy. I still see Dreamcast games for download, but have yet to find gamecube ones.

Although the appearance of blank media is likely, it would be much more expensive to produce and sold at a higher price than a standard one, hence diminishing its appeal.

Sony might have something here.

PSO + Network Adapter = GC piracy. (2, Informative)

LordJezo (596587) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444117)

You haven't seen Gamecube games for download?

Hate to say it but you haven't been looking very hard at all.

Phantasy Star Online and the network adapter blew the GC wide open for cracking.

They Posted the ISOs? *shakes head* (4, Insightful)

ewhac (5844) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444106)

Are these people completely stupid? What on earth possessed them to publish the fscking ISOs? If there's a clearer way of establishing a case of copyright infringement, I can't think of it.

Let me be clear: I am no fan of the current copyright regime, since it's at loggerheads with the fundamental nature of computers. The DMCA is an especially execrable piece of... legislation. But by publishing the ISOs to games, the people behind this reverse-engineering effort are almost immediately discrediting the value of their good work. Sony will calmly stand before a judge and say, "See? There's no academic or social or Fair Use argument here. Upon successfully bypassing our security regime, the very first thing these criminals did was copy and publish the games. We therefore ask for a permanent injunction."

Posting the ISOs was completely unnecessary. Now that the discs are (apparently) readable, anybody interested in reverse-engineering the games themselves could just as easily bought their own copy and worked from that.

I expect this to end poorly...

Schwab

They can already boot homebrew code from memstick (3, Interesting)

pnice (753704) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444115)

According to this:

Elf to PBP convertor v0.3 - homebrew now possible!
Internal Reality have released Elf to PBP convertor which is a program that allows you to convert a ELF file compiled for the PSP and convert it into a PBP file which is runnable on a PSP via the memory stick. This means that homebrew is now possible but there is one limitation to this which is you will need a Japanese v1.00 firmware to run the converted file, a v1.50 Japanese PSP or US PSP (any version) will not work.

If you are a developer and are lucky enough to have a v1.00 Japanese PSP then visit the homepage at http://www.internalreality.com/ [internalreality.com] for more information. You can discuss this news on the forum post here started by gbafan.
http://emuholic.emuboards.com/modules.php?name=New s&file=article&sid=486&tbid=6 [emuboards.com]

Re:They can already boot homebrew code from memsti (1)

pnice (753704) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444161)

and.... sorry to reply to my own post, but it looks like the ISOs are very small.

Paradox has released ISO files of several PSP games.

So far, the following titles are reported to have been ripped:

Vampire_Chronicle_The_Chaos_Tower_JAP_PSP-PARADOX [407.4MB in 29 files].
Wipeout_Pure_USA_PSP-PARADOX [132.9MB in 10 files].
Ridge_Racers_JAP_PSP-PARADOX [491.4MB in 35 files].

Read the NFO here
Looks like this, and the other items that have been coming out lately are sparking quite alot of interest in the homebrew code scene.
Also, it should be said that the UMD uses a standard iso9669 format on the disc itself, so the ISO can be burnt and read on a regular cd or dvd.
The games are NOT playable in this format however. That will probablly still take time to figure out.
This, coupled with the elf2pbp wrapper could make for some interesting times ahead.

Just curious and wondering: (1)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444131)

If MS have this as some kind of security system, then isn't hacking it a violation of the DMCA?

Or am I missing something?

cheers!

RS

ps2nfo.com and not ps2info.com (1)

UnsolicitedHuman (760105) | more than 9 years ago | (#12444133)

its ps2nfo.com and not ps2info.com.
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