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Hilary Rosen Gripes About iPod, iTMS

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the now-we-just-need-to-establish-your-price dept.

Media (Apple) 764

mijkal writes "Hilary Rosen, the former RIAA CEO and chairwoman, has spoken out against Apple's "lock-in" with iPod and the iTunes Music Store." From the article: "The problem is that the iPod only works with either songs that you buy from the on-line Apple iTunes store or songs that you rip from your own CD's." Ironically, she appeals to consumer rights and anti-monopoly tactics."

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Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481450)

I think my brain just died. Hilary Rosen is complaining about anti-consumer monopolies? This is like bizzaro world. The comments for this story write themselves, much like that Microsoft + Ford article about the car that will never crash.

Jack Valenti made a similar about-face after he retired. Does the *AA install some kind of behavior modification chip in their employees that gets taken out when they leave? (can we get one for a couple of the Slashdot editors?)

Well, she did insert that line about pirate sites being full of viruses (I get viruses form my mp3's al lthe time, god bless her), and soart of backhandedly danced around the fact that DRM and lossy music are the reason we can't transfer, so I guess the party line is stil lsorta there. Oh well.

Re:Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot. (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481553)

Hey, I hear Maureen O'Gara is going to be looking for a new gig, for more "informative, insightful writing", Some Time Real Soon!

Re:Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot. (5, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481596)

Steve Jobs, Let my Music Go

Fricking cow. Why don't YOU and all the lawsuit happy pricks on your side let OUR music go.

That's some fricking gall to blame Steve Jobs for Apples answer to the RIAAs psycho DRM paranoia.

Girlfriend (0, Troll)

fembots (753724) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481459)

"The new iPod my girlfriend gave me is a trap"

Completely offtopic, but Hilary is a female name, right? So what gives? My tiny brain does not understand.

Imagine if Jobs said "The new Creative Zen Micro my boyfriend gave me is teh crap"

Re:Girlfriend (1)

DoorFrame (22108) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481487)

I admit that sturck me too. I guess she's gay...

Or maybe she's got a black female friend.

Re:Girlfriend (2, Informative)

Alcilbiades (859596) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481547)

I assume you are trying to be funny. If not you obviously aren't around women enough because it is typical for them to call their female friends "girlfriends".

ummmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481574)

No, she's actually a lesbian.

Re:Girlfriend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481577)

Or she could be an openly gay woman [wikipedia.org] . Heaven forbid they hold jobs and have families.

Re:Girlfriend (1)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481488)

If Steve Jobs said that, it would indicate that he had a boyfriend.

Hilary Rosen (a girl) has a girlfriend.

She's gay. I hope you were joking.

Re:Girlfriend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481491)

More realistically, Jobs more likely would say: "The new STI my boyfriend gave me is teh clap".

Re:Girlfriend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481493)

uhh... nowadays women are known to call their friends who aren't guys, "girlfriends."

Re:Girlfriend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481499)

She is an open lesbian. I think she has an adopted daughter but I'm not certain.

Re:Girlfriend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481501)

Lots of chicks refer to their "girlfriends" to mean their friends that they go off to do girly things with. Hang out with more of them and you'll notice that.

Re:Girlfriend (1)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481607)

And you believed her when she told you that?

Re:Girlfriend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481536)

It's a pretty common term among heterosexual women. Try getting to know one or two women within your lifetime.

Re:Girlfriend (3, Funny)

The I Shing (700142) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481542)

American women who are straight refer to female friends as "girlfriends," with no sexual connotation. An American straight man cannot have a "boyfriend," nor can he have a "girlfriend" without whom he's not in some way romantically or sexually involved. It's just a quirk of the American English language, I believe.

Re:Girlfriend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481573)

Or an insecurity inherent in male human beings, and not females. ;)

Re:Girlfriend (4, Insightful)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481593)

I beleive it is common knowledge that Ms. Rosen is a lesbian. However, let's despise her for being a shameless spokesperson for anybody willing to pay her to do so; her sexual preferences should be irrelevant.

In case you didn't know (1, Redundant)

jim_v2000 (818799) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481610)

A girlfriend, for those Slashdotters who don't know many, is often a friend who is a girl...and does not neccessarily denote lesbianism. Example: My fiance often goes out shopping with her "girlfriends" who are mostly married and definately not lesbians.

Re:Girlfriend (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481613)

Nah she's just a raving lesbo I mean come on look at her hair, my gaydar says closet homoet.

Re:Girlfriend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481664)

Well, she's not so closeted... but nice work on the homophobia

Re:Girlfriend (4, Insightful)

ultramk (470198) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481656)

Yeah, she's lesbian. She's been pretty public about this for years, so it's not exactly news.

What's more, it doesn't have anything to do with anything: slam her for lying to Congress, lying about what dire straits the music industry is in, and wanting to throw kids in jail. There are plenty of things to complain about, but insulting her sexuality (which I see people do pretty often) is uncalled for, and casts all opponents of the RIAA gestapo in a bad light.

m-

or... (3, Informative)

Doktor Memory (237313) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481461)

...non-DRM mp3s that you get from any other source. Ahem.

Re:or... (2, Funny)

0x461FAB0BD7D2 (812236) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481565)

Ah-ha. This is clearly a plot to get people to refute them by providing anecdotal evidence of getting non-DRM'd mp3s.

Would save them the trouble of hunting down pirates themselves. These people are clever.

Re:or... (1)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481641)

Well, mp3 isn't a choice for most (legal) music download services. Still, she's just whining. Basically, when it comes to DRM'ed downloads, you only really have a choice between two lock-in schemes: iTMS on iPod, or $WMA_MUSIC_STORE on a PlaysForSure device.

Having said that, though, I personally think the Apple lock-in is a worse deal. The selection of both devices and services is far narrower, and Apple doesn't seem to want to play nice with their licensing, where at least MS has been fairly liberal in that regard.

Who is kidding whom, Hilary? (5, Interesting)

The I Shing (700142) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481463)

"... the iPod only works with either songs that you buy from the on-line Apple iTunes store or songs that you rip from your own CD's."

I think Hilary Rosen might have encountered the concept of telling the truth at a party once, but didn't get beyond the cursory introduction.

I went ahead and RTFA to make sure the above statement wasn't being taken out of context by the post. It wasn't, and it might actually kind of be true if one is absolutely insistent on playing only AAC files on the iPod. The actual truth, which Hilary Rosen would likely not be willing to acknowledge without the threat of slow torture death behind it, is that the iPod works with sample MP3s that you might legally download from a band's website or any one of a gazillion legal indie music MP3 sites, and also works with audiobooks downloaded from Audible.com. But Rosen probably considers any music by an unsigned band to be beneath putting on an iPod anyway, and probably isn't too interested in audiobooks, either.

Other ridiculous ideas in the blog entry include: "He [Steve Jobs] is as laconically casually cool as Bono" and the idea that the iPod constitutes a monopoly. First off, Steve Jobs might be a little bit hip, but he's not cool except to the Mac faithful, the only ones who really care who he is (that's my opinion, though. I might be wrong). Second, a monopoly means that no-one can buy or use a product or service type by anyone other than a specific company. Ma Bell had a monopoly on phone service. There wasn't an alternative. There are zillions of alternatives to the iPod. The iPod is just really, really popular. That doesn't make it a monopoly.

The oddest thing to me is that no-one who would actually seek out and read Hilary Rosen's blog would be the least bit fooled by the misstatements in it.

Re:Who is kidding whom, Hilary? (1, Insightful)

Tim Browse (9263) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481626)

The iPod is just really, really popular. That doesn't make it a monopoly.

It's not that black and white, is it? I mean, Microsoft is a 'convicted monopolist', but there are plenty of alternatives to Windows. It's certainly not like the phone company monopoly you describe.

Re:Who is kidding whom, Hilary? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481636)

She was in charge of (or at least a figurehead at the front of) the RIAA during the rise of MP3. She watched as everyone went from copying music freely, wishing there was some way that everyone could be locked into a format where songs could be purchased but not copied. Lo and behold, Apple pulls it off.

Apple releases a better mousetrap, so to speak. You get a superior MP3 player that just happens to have access to a huge pay-to-download song library. And Apple does what none of the media companies could do on their own. They tried to do it through partnerships with Microsoft and consumer electronic makers, only to find that they were entering a pre-fragmented market.

Honestly, I'm sure she's jealous.

Re:Who is kidding whom, Hilary? (2, Funny)

donutello (88309) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481643)

Second, a monopoly means that no-one can buy or use a product or service type by anyone other than a specific company. Ma Bell had a monopoly on phone service. There wasn't an alternative. There are zillions of alternatives to the iPod. The iPod is just really, really popular. That doesn't make it a monopoly.

Sorry, that's not the Slashdot and Judge Jackson definition of a monopoly.

Irony? Dripping with molten iron! (5, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481464)

Huffington Post? I knew that name rung a bell, some background [ojr.org] .
She writes: "I've got a confession to make. I'm talking weak-in-the-knees infatuation. But it's not Brad or Orlando or Colin or any of the cinematic hunks du jour who have set my heart aflutter. No it's Atrios and Kos and Joshua Micah Marshall and Kausfiles and Kevin Drum and Wonkette. Bloggers all. Yes, when it comes to the blogosphere, I'm a regular cyberslut."

Ok, tell us something we can't guess. So you have a new rag and you've got Hilary Rosen writing thus:
I spent 17 years in the music business the last several of which were all about pushing and prodding the painful development of legitimate on-line music. Now, the music fan is on the cusp of riches in their options - free of the viruses of the pirate sites.

Oh my... Has anyone seen my unawarded Humanitarian of the Millenium trophy around? I've got someone to give it to at last.
There are lots of places you can go for great music at good deals and with a deep catalog of songs from over the last 20 or 30 years. MSN.com, Rhapsody.com, aolmusic.com, even walmart.com. There are little players to make your favorite music even more portable than ever starting at as little as 29 bucks. Most every player device works at every one of these "stores" and it is pretty easy to keep all the songs, no matter where you got them, in a single folder or "jukebox" on your computer.

Or all your favorite pirated mp3's seems we've been here before.
But not the iPod. Most agree it is the best quality player on the market even if the cheapest one costs a few hundred dollars. The problem is that the iPod only works with either songs that you buy from the on-line Apple iTunes store or songs that you rip from your own CD's.

!Cough! Surely you jest, Hilary! What next will you be pushing? Fair Use? You commie!
But those other music sites have lots of music that you can't get at the iTunes store. So, if you have an iPod, you are out of luck. If you are really a geek, you can figure out how to strip the songs you might have bought from another on-line store of all identifying information so that they will go into the iPod. But then you have also degraded the sound quality. How cruel.

Yeah, how cruel. Seems when the big labels were withholding everything from us consumers we were somehow evil to rip and make our own mp3's. Only able to get what the powers that be (RIAA) felt we were worthy of (mostly whatever manufactured band or act they were currently exploiting and wanted us to buy into like so many lemmings. "Puny mortal, you are only worthy of Britney Spears Greatest Dance Songs of Last Week, with CD-ROM destroying anti-copy-protection, now BUY!") Now the stiletto heel is on the other foot?
keeping the iTunes system a proprietary technology to prevent anyone from using multiple (read Microsoft) music systems is the most anti-consumer and user unfriendly thing any god can do.

UltraGasp! This just can't be the same Hilary Rosen! Impostor!!!
Why am I complaining about this?

I dunno. Maybe you're a consumer now. Or just another cyberslut.

Re:Irony? Dripping with molten iron! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481585)

I'm a regular cyberslut.

I will make it a mental note (and resolution) to avoid the #cyber channels on IRC.

Re:Irony? Dripping with molten iron! (1)

The Angry Mick (632931) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481648)

Please God, post this to her blog if you can. Great stuff!

well that's odd (2, Interesting)

rebug (520669) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481470)

My bleep [bleep.com] downloads seem to play fine on my iPod.

Should I file a bug?

Re:well that's odd (1)

Big Mark (575945) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481606)

Warp's releases are the only ones I buy, because - and this is very important - they are free of DRM! I must have given them the best part of a hundred quid and as I can do what I like with the files I don't care.

I'm actually very unlikely to share those files deliberately too. Something about paying for an mp3 as opposed to getting it for "free" by ripping a CD makes me protective.

WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481471)

Seriously, wtf?!

Huffington Post shows up on /. their first day ... (5, Informative)

Hulkster (722642) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481472)

The article is from the Huffington Post [huffingtonpost.com] the "blog of various mainstream media celibrities" which launched today. Impressive that they make Slashdot outa the gate - sounds like the lines are blurring even more between the traditional MSM media and the new online media. It will be interesting to see if they are able to maintain the daily grind of interesting articles ... or if they eventually becomes as exciting as watching grass grow ;-) [komar.org]

Re:Huffington Post shows up on /. their first day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481548)

Rosen also complains about Apple's business practices [geekinformed.com] in the article.

Side Effect (1)

pinkocommie (696223) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481474)

One interesting side effect of this in the long run (if Apply has say 80%+ of market share) they would be able to not only force the RIAA to bend over but get rid of them altogether

Childish (5, Insightful)

TurboStar (712836) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481477)

The RIAA asked for DRM. iTunes gave you DRM. Apple sees a way to leverage this technology to their advantage and you cry foul? Grow up.

Re:Childish (4, Interesting)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481647)

See, the RIAA only wants DRM that is to their benefit. If a person is going to be encouraged to download an mp3 off the Internet in order to listen to their music unincumbered, it points the person in the direction of piracy (even if they do own the song under fair use).

I'm absolutely sure that the RIAA would love people paying for 5 copies of the same song, but at least Rosen is coming to realize that people just won't do that. If a person downloads Kazaa in order to get an unlocked version of a song that they own and in turn finds 50 songs that they don't own, then it's flagged as a loss.

Every spokesperson acts and rallies in their own company's best interest. It's a fact of business, and a fact of life.

Re:Childish (1)

bsane (148894) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481684)

This is the whole point of her blog. Apple is the online music supplier that they have the least control over. They have control because the ipod is so popular- if they can remove Apple from their posistion of dominance then they are free to enforce the subscription model for everyone. They don't like Apple because they are holding them to .99/song...

Hmm (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481480)

So what, does Warp Records just not exist? [bleep.com] And what about all those people all over the internet distributing mp3s of their own personally recorded music legally? Do they just not exist?

Oh, wait, I forgot-- those people aren't RIAA members. So I guess to Hillary Rosen, they don't exist.

Still, it seems awfully odd that "can play anything but WMA and FLAC" means "can only play personally ripped music and iTMS purchasers".

Clueless? (4, Insightful)

Ironsides (739422) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481482)

The problem is that the iPod only works with either songs that you buy from the on-line Apple iTunes store or songs that you rip from your own CD's.

Hmm... And whose fault would that be? If the Record companies didn't require DRM we wouldn't have to worry about this. Or does she want Apple to open up their DRM scheme?

Wrong lock-in (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481563)

I think whatever she would claim, she actually isn't worried about consumer lock-in. What she's worried about is producer-side lock-in. The RIAA members are locked in to the iTunes Music Store; they have to do business with the iTMS or their competitors will get the purchases there instead. The RIAA probably isn't happy about this. They're used to being able to dictate terms (like "you will carry X, Y and Z but not W because we said so") to retailers, not having the retailers dictate terms to them (like, "customers will be allowed to make as many CD copies as they like").

Re:Clueless? (5, Insightful)

linuxtelephony (141049) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481679)

Now that the iPod and iTunes is an unquestionable success, could it be that the RIAA sees Apple as what they used to be? A primary controller of music distribution. And, we know RIAA knows how powerful that can be. I think they are afraid iTunes/Apple has a little much perceived power.

Afterall, it is easier for RIAA to "control" online music if there aren't any individually strong serious players. With a couple of really strong players in that field, it could become more difficult for RIAA to stay the master of their domain.

Just a thought, opinion really. No facts to back it up.

pot calling the kettle black? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481486)

...what the hell?

Or conversely... (1)

cartzworth (709639) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481495)

...I'm stuck with Napster tracks that don't play on the player which has 60% market share.

Oh wait, just kidding, format shifting is peachy.

Hillary Rosen said what??? (0, Redundant)

perigee369 (837140) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481496)

**blinks** I must be in bizarro world.... Perigee

Wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481500)

First she promotes DRM and all that crap, now she talks about lock-ins and fighting for consumer rights? Wow, my worldview just collaspsed!

Tell that bitch to get in line!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481502)

There have been lots of people complaining about iPod way before she reared her ugly head. tell that bitch to get in line!

Irony? (1)

ardor (673957) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481505)

You call it irony. I call it "hell-has-frozen-over".

Former RIAA head (1)

NaCh0 (6124) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481506)

And now a Democratic strategist. Handy how a site like Slashdot would miss that part. It's time for the country to disband the Democratic party. They are nothing but corporate shills for big entertainment and corporate lawfirms.

This is so utterly amazing... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481508)

... coming from the plaintiff of Diamond vs. RIAA, a lawsuit in which Ms. Rosen and her cronies tried to render the iPod illegal!

How can these people sleep at night?

Delivering news since... (1)

SunPin (596554) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481511)

May 9th 2005? Today? What kind of publication are we being sent to?

Yes indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481513)

Apple is a monopoly, tying it's OS and computers together, tying its iPod's in with its own service. But Apple zealots never seem to question their intentions.

Lack of competition is one of the reasons Mac's are such a rip off. Especially considering the relative low cost of the PowerPC architechure compared to x86.

Now much me down.

Anticompetitive practice (was:Yes indeed) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481639)

It's not by accident Apple's personal computer market share went from 80%+ to under 5% today (for people that remembers Apple II's.) When Apple won't play balls with the rest of the planet, the rest of the planet went and got their own ball (read: IBM PC compatible) while apple stood still holding their (proprietary) ball. I am just waiting for Apple to do it to itself again with iPod.

Re:Yes indeed (1)

The I Shing (700142) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481672)

I'm an Apple zealot... I think Apple's intention is to make a profit.

Controlling 4% of a market is not a monopoly.

If you want to use a Windows PC, the price of the Mac makes absolutely no difference to you whatsoever. There's enough competition between Windows PC vendors to drive the prices down to the $299 you're willing to pay for a computer. I want to use a Mac, so I will have to pay extra for my Mac. I'm okay with that.

MP3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481515)

I don't have an iPod, nor have I investigated them much, but I know it plays MP3s.

Its not Apple's fault that no one sells online music as MP3s. That is more the fault of the RIAA.

[insert standard RIAA rant here]

"To Tell The Truth (2, Funny)

Paul Neubauer (86753) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481516)

Will the real Hilary Rosen please stand up?

From TFA (5, Funny)

SithLordOfLanc (683305) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481519)

"If you are really a geek, you can figure out how to strip the songs you might have bought from another on-line store of all identifying information so that they will go into the iPod."

The former head of the RIAA pointing out that the only way to listen to your legally purchased music on an iPod is to break the DRM. That's rich.

Problem? (4, Insightful)

payndz (589033) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481520)

"The problem is that the iPod only works with either songs that you buy from the on-line Apple iTunes store or songs that you rip from your own CD's."

And some obscure audio file format. What's it called? Oh, yeah. MP3.

Who cares? (2, Informative)

jleq (766550) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481521)

I prefer to buy my music from better legal sites, that are 1/10th the cost of iTunes and use no DRM. Anybody heard of allofmp3.com or mp3search.ru? They both are legal, and have great libraries.

I will admit that I have bought a few songs off of iTunes simply because I wanted a high quality copy before the song was released on CD... but in general, why would I want to pay 10x more for something that I can get legally much cheaper?

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481632)

allofmp3.com being legal in Russia (which is questionable) in no way makes it legal in the USA. I mean, really. You're only saying it's legal because you want it to be legal.

Pot to Kettle... Pot to Kettle... (1)

TedTschopp (244839) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481523)

You are Black.

In all seriousness, why do you think that all of a sudden she is voicing the opinions of Real and Microsoft?

Re:Pot to Kettle... Pot to Kettle... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481567)

Pot to Kettle... Pot to Kettle...

You are Black.


Who the fuck talks like this anyhow? You need to get away from your computer and Slashdot for awhile and go interact with the rest of the world.

wow... (1)

Neitokun (882224) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481527)

I know Steve Jobs is a god. ... in what universe? last time i checked, most people consider Jobs to be a head-in-the-clouds dreamer, not a god...

Ehh! (1)

nickroethemeier (676503) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481532)

Every time I hear about this woman, she seems to try and take away some 'rights' to do with what we purchase. Although this is a turn of events, I am not surprised that she takes an alternate stance now that she is not within the grasp of the RIAA board or whatever group tells her what to say.
Either way, she does have a good point. I do own a mac and do purchase songs using iTunes, but it is easily defeated using jHymn (not that I've used it. )

I am simply surprised with her turn of events, even though it is similar to her old stance. I just bet it is influnced by MS and Real's Music Stores.

WTF? (1)

Aumaden (598628) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481534)

When did Microsoft buy the RIAA? I must have missed that story. And the dupe. And the other dupe.

Hilary Smilary (1)

squarefish (561836) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481544)

Can't she just make up her fucking mind already?

Why would she care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481545)

Perhaps I'm missing something -- and I most likely am -- but why does Rosen care if people are using iPods?

Hilary now complains about what she created (3, Informative)

Gandoron (681748) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481552)

Hilary Rosen was in the position to fix the situation, but instead she helped create a locked-down DRM-prolific online music space. It's funny to see her complain about the exact problem that she put into place.

Wasn't it easier when we all just had MP3's? Funny how that format works with everything.

Good rebuttal
http://www.corante.com/copyfight/archives/2005/05/ 09/hilary_rosen_laments_apples_drm_strategy.php [corante.com]

iTunes DRM is a success (1)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481555)

She'd like to see it more widely deployed.

What's so surprising about this, other than the cutesy, obtuse way she makes her case?

Freak... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481561)

She's so tounge-in-cheek it makes me want to barf. She's a loon. Her opinion doesn't matter... she is now obsoleted. She is also just an AAC with all of the DRM stripped off of it. And it she sounds just plain yucky.

Not that virus laden PIRATE music! (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481568)

Now, the music fan is on the cusp of riches in their options - free of the viruses of the pirate sites.

Even now she can't resist a FUD attack on P2P.

I can see a new slogan now: "P2P = STD".

I think what's REALLY scary about Huffington is seeing how some well known people write. Echos of the transition to Talkies when people actually got to hear favorite actors speak for the first time - now we get to see how they really think.

mar3 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481570)

Whate7er path is

Blog Comments? (1)

daquake (307570) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481572)

Too bad they don't allow comments on the blogs on that site, not only would we succeed in some much needed "WTF!?!" but they might actually get some valuable input that they seem to have a shortage of at the *AA's.

mp3s carry viruses? since when? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481581)

"Now, the music fan is on the cusp of riches in their options - free of the viruses of the pirate sites."

Someone tell me if I'm missing things -- since when are mp3s or any online media format playable by the ipod capable of carrying viruses? Sounds like good ol' RIAA propaganda to me.

What is wrong with that? (1)

ericdano (113424) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481582)

You could make a case if iTunes only worked on the Mac, but it doesn't. It works on Windows as well. You can burn tracks you purchase to CD to do whatever you want with them. Don't you think the RIAA would rather have a tighter grip on things than to loosen it up? I mean, they have had a monopoly on CDs for about 20 years, and the prices are still way too high.

If I were the head of the RIAA, I'd say screw Real, Napster, and others, and endorse iTunes as the official RIAA online service. I'd also lower prices on CDs, allow higher encoded files to be downloaded (like 160 AACs), and offer things like if you buy 5 songs off the album, you can get the whole album for another $5. Something to move my products.

hilarious hilary... (1)

Yaa 101 (664725) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481599)

She really thought that her class of people was freewared from this all... Stupid Hilary... Silly Hilary... You got what you lobbied for darling...

Source: Ariana Huffington's Celeblogs (5, Funny)

mrex (25183) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481600)

I'd just like to take this opportunity to congratulate Ms. Huffington on giving a voice to the silently oppressed celebrities and powerbrokers out there, who have for so long struggled to get their valuable messages out to the anxious public.

Truly, it warms my heart to see come to fruition the hopeful idealism of a youth spent dreaming of a world where who a person is matters as much or more than what that person is saying!

Thank you, Ariana.

Let me make this as simple as I can. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481603)

1. iPods are popular but to put DRM protected music on them you have to give Apple a cut of your Profits.
2. Like most bullies the record industries really hates being bullied! I mean that is their job after all.
3. The record companies can not just set up their own stores and sell to iPod users unless they sell music without DRM or Pay Apple.

Sorry record companies you screwed up. Had you worked with Rio and the other early MP3 player makers to create a standard solution then maybe Apple would not have had the chance to become a defacto standard. The Apple iPod would have had to use the standard file format to compete.
So what happened is there are free formats like MP3 and Ogg and Apples.

Because Walmart gives me a choice ....right. (5, Funny)

newdamage (753043) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481605)

I own an iBook, I own an iPod, and I've never had any gripes about not being able to buy music online from anywhere else besides the iTMS. Why? Because Apple makes it easy for me to purchase a song and get it on my iPod with very little hassle.

But hey, I'll take Hilary's advice here and navigate over to walmart.com and see what I'm missing by not being able to buy music from there. But wait, what this? IE 5.5 required to buy music? Well, gee, I guess Walmart is the paragon of a quality music buying service, even though I can't use their service because they only support one browser!

This isn't about Apple's lockin with the iPod and the iTMS, this is about Apple's lockin vs. everybody else's lockin on Windows machines.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you have to have an approved player right now just to use Napster as well.

The reason (2, Interesting)

BlacBaron (875559) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481612)

"Hilary Rosen, the former RIAA CEO and chairwoman, has spoken out against Apple's "lock-in" with iPod and the iTunes Music Store." From the article: "The problem is that the iPod only works with either songs that you buy from the on-line Apple iTunes store or songs that you rip from your own CD's." Ironically, she appeals to consumer rights and anti-monopoly tactics."
And now we know why she was the former CEO and chairwoman, she didn't see eye to eye with the rest of the RIAA's beliefs. :)

And In Other News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481614)

Irony meters throughout the world experienced a spike today. Some shoddier models, likely built by substandard laborers in the southern United States, actually exploded. Six fatalities are reported. In Mexico and Beijing, better quality units experienced only temporary troubles. Wei Chao, senior vice president for the Beijing Unified American Takeover Incorporated Bank of Perpetual Prosperity was quoted as saying "Screw American ex-slave masters, let RIAA sell them crap Britney Spears music and two hundred times the price it's worth. Americans are such dull twits, we think we'll be able to take them over within nine months. We've already decided that Pat Robertson will be president, and, in recognition of her cultural pursuits, Joan Rivers shall be his vice president."

Both General Electric and SCO's Irony Division (SCO-DIV) have pledged to refund irony meters and at least two lost digits, though SCO is threatening to sue anybody that uses the word "refund" which they claim they bought from Meriam-Webster nine years ago.

RIAA is demanding that we retract this story, as it is believed that a Linux hacker copied it and made it available on regionless DVDs. RIAA spokesman Mao Zedong said "Hah, we beat the Soviets, and now we'll beat you. Soon American dollars will be worth as little as your average boy band's pubic hair clipping on EBay. I am already making room to make Laura Bush my sex slave. Mmmmm..."

NEWS FLASH! This just in... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481620)

Steve Jobs is a capitalist!

We now return you to your regular programming...

Does it pass the fanboi test? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481621)

Apple? Sure does. So we'll just refer to this so-called "lock in" as "integration" from here on in.

Only works with itunes? (5, Informative)

bigbigbison (104532) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481622)

Wow [audiolunchbox.com] , that's [emusic.com] news [audible.com] to [bleep.com] me [livedownloads.com] . Who [epitonic.com] knew [betterpropaganda.com] ?

iTunes (2, Interesting)

Scruffeh (867141) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481627)

It's pretty sucky that if you want to buy music that you have to do it from iTunes but, at the end of the day it's DRM which is the big problem. Without getting into the ethics of it, why would anyone buy a crippled mp3 album for £8+ when you can buy an uncrippled cd for about £10? This is using UK pricing (which I understand is more expensive than US?) but nevertheless, considering you have to pay for the packaging and distribution for a cd then these prices are daylight robbery. This is especially true when considering that 95%+ of the music is available (illegally) elsewhere, without the DRM. It's not a hard choice, DRM vs Free non DRM'd music vs non DRM'd CDs - online music stores come in serverely lagging in 3rd place! I really hope something is done before we are given 'generous personal useage rights' on our audio cds. Online music stores could have been a very good move indeed but the implimentation has been totally shocking.

Dumb bitch syndrome (1, Funny)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481630)

when, oh when, will Steve Jobs let me buy music from somewhere other than the Apple iTunes store and put it on my iPod?

Any file that is supported by the iPod can be played on the iPod regardless of where the file came from.

The problem is that the iPod only works with either songs that you buy from the on-line Apple iTunes store or songs that you rip from your own CD's

You forgot the ones that we "stole" over the net :)

You also forgot that all of the recording companies that fund the RIAA are welcome to distribute MP3's or other forms of digital music. Being that they are currently almost 10 years behind the digital music medium and are relying on a business model that is about 20 years old, I have no sympathy for them.

Look, I bowed at his feet when the iPod and iTunes was created because HE GOT THE BALL ROLLING.

And the music companies watched the ball roll past them and out of bounds and then argued with the ref wanting the ball back.

But keeping the iTunes system a proprietary technology to prevent anyone from using multiple (read Microsoft) music systems is the most anti-consumer and user unfriendly thing any god can do.

I don't know of any "Microsoft music systems", but the iTunes software runs on Windows and can import any of its known file formats (wav, mp3, aac, aif, etc) and sync them on the iPod.

Why am I complaining about this?

Your ignorant, and I guess now you are without a job.

Wow, what a dumbass.

"If you're a real geek"? (1)

argent (18001) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481638)

Insert CDRW into burner, then "Mix, Burn, Rip". That takes a real geek, it's real rocket science.

Yeh, you lose a little bit of quality. But if you cared about the quality you'd be buying uncompressed CDs and ripping them instead of buying online.

Re:"If you're a real geek"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481674)

Online music is for chumps. The quality is total crap, but due to severe mental retardation brought on by exposure to Apple products, the average 20-year old moron with those stupid little earplugs shoved up his anus thinks that that is good quality sound. Pretty soon these quality-starved halfwits will be throwing out their stereos in favor of Apple's patented TRANSISTOR RADIO, with a whopping 1 watt speaker.

The most hilarious point (1)

crmartin (98227) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481661)

... is that she apparently can't read the help or look at the menus, since "File>Import" does fine.

Less hilarious is that I posted a pointer to the same article some hours earlier, but was rejected.

*snif*

No Comment Section (1)

icedtrip (823443) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481666)

What? No place for comments on the entry? What kind of blog is this if you won't open it up for a little positive reinforcement / criticism? Surely everyone would agree with her as the last sentence suggests.

It's not iTMS or the ipod... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481673)

...it's DRM thats the root of your problem you stupid b*tch.

She's Kind of Right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12481677)

Apart from the lol-tacular "mp3s are full of viruses oh no get me an intarnet condom" bit, I don't see anything particularly inaccurate about her commentary.

The sites she mentions in TFA are, in fact, extremely popular mainstream music sources that do not work with iTunes. From a purely non-technical, consumer standpoint (i.e. not slashdot) this is really annoying.

She misses the larger point that myriad incompatible and proprietary DRMs are not, in fact, Apple's fault but an inherent problem of an emerging industry.

Then again, this is the former head of the RIAA talking, not someone who's supposed to know anything about this stuff.

Lockin... (1)

a3217055 (768293) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481680)

There is only lock in if you believe you must use iTunes and only use CD's and iTunes. The iPod is a device, and people can find ingenious methods to make it work with many other music system. Why didn't she talk about the other mp3/digital music players. I jsut think that article was just badly written by a person with small and short vision. I would say the iPod sucks becasue there is no native Linux support for it. But I am not happy with that answer... Or what about all the other online stores that don't have support for iTunes on my AIX workstation I will be pissed. She's arguing for the sake of argument. That's no good... -A

Meanwhile, the *real* problem is... (1)

brennanw (5761) | more than 9 years ago | (#12481681)

that iPods are mind-control devices that will someday be activated *through* iTunes in order to amass Steve Jobs' private army of hipsters.

Well played, Ms. Rosen... well played...
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