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Maureen O'Gara No Longer Welcome at LinuxWorld

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the following-up dept.

The Media 727

flood6 writes "On the heels of yesterday's article about unrest at LinuxWorld, editor James Turner is reporting in his blog that Sys-Con Media has decided to purge Maureen O'Gara from the print and online publications." From the post: "Sys-con Media listened to what I and my fellow editors, their advertisers and the readership was saying, and made the correct decision. Maureen O'Gara's bylined material will no longer appear anywhere in the Sys-con universe of sites or publications. We have received this commitment in writing from Fuat Kircaali, the publisher." PJ at Groklaw also has commentary on this development.

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Nice (-1, Offtopic)

puiahappy (855662) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490011)

[First post]

Hey (3, Funny)

Neil Blender (555885) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490012)

That's sort of like kicking Michael the hell out of Slashdot.

Re:Hey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490058)

Why was michael kicked out? I missed whatever happened.

Re:Hey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490061)

Your post will magically disappear within the next 5 minutes.

Re:Hey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490145)

Wow, you're right, he is gone... what happened?

FIRST! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490013)

Mainframes rule, micros drool!

No good deed shall go unpunished (1)

WillRobinson (159226) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490014)

I mean she thought she was doing sco a favor, (paid shill?)

But we already knew who PJ is (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490023)

Didn't another SCO henchmen - Jeff Merkey - already tell us the personal details of PJ? This MOG person's account doesn't seem to fit the picture Merkey painted.

Re:But we already knew who PJ is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490072)

Yeah... the FUD campaign to discredit PJ sure looks silly now.

My guess is that one of the SCO backers (who probably cares more about Groklaw itself than the SCO case) simply hired people to attempt to discredit Groklaw, and was sloppy enough that they bothered to get their story straight

So who is she (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490240)

I notice she never denied any of the claims as to who she was.

Who exactly is she and why does her opinion matter so much in this case. (especially if she is not even a lawyer)

Re:But we already knew who PJ is (3, Insightful)

avidday (671814) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490243)

Merkey was wrong. Unfortunately O'Gara got it just about right, which is pretty bad because she essentially published a roadmap to stalk and terrorize PJ and her elderly mother. Let's hope PJ finds a suitable legal avenue to haul O'Gara over the coals and make her really pay...

Nelson (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490028)

Ha ha!!!

Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead (5, Interesting)

gowen (141411) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490035)

It's not surprising, really, since MO'G's last article on Pamela Jones so clearly overstepped the bounds of decent, public interest journalist.

Incidentally, was I the only person who felt that insinuating that PJ's religion was wacko was particularly ironic, given that Maureen's paymasters at SCO were based in Utah, home of the not-exactly-christian-orthodox Church of the Latter Day Saints.

Since it sounds like you understand this... (1)

Ironsides (739422) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490100)

And I don't have much more than a clue. Can you or someone give a brief summary of what has been happening so those of us that never heard of her before yesterday know what is going on?

Re:Since it sounds like you understand this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490151)

Try clicking the link beginning "yesterday's article..."

Re:Since it sounds like you understand this... (5, Informative)

mungtor (306258) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490195)

summary, mostly unbiased....

Groklaw = Site run by PJ. pro-linux, OSS, free software site. Particularly anti-SCO as well.

Maureen O'Gara = Journalist who is either a paid shill for SCO or just amazingly sensationalistic.

Apparently there was some mystery about exactly who PJ is and what her credentials are since Groklaw is such an influential site in the SCO/IBM case. O'Gara found out who she is, and definitely overstepped the bounds of decency by publishing street addresses for her and her son.

People were pissed, so O'Gara's articles have been pulled off some web sites. Apparently the publisher's sense of moral outrage only kicked in when facing advertising boycotts.

Tempest in a teacup, but interesting none the less.

Re:Since it sounds like you understand this... (5, Informative)

gclef (96311) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490202)

Ms O'Gara has been publishing a series of articles on the ongoing IBM vs SCO case that were....unusual. She generally was pro-SCO, overlooked problems with the SCO case, etc, etc.

The trigger for this whole fiasco, though, was a recent article by her. It was, to be blunt, venemous, and dirty. It published details about PJ (the maintaner of Groklaw)'s home address, her mother's home address, some supposed details about her religion, and used all of this in a really nasty attempt at ad hominem to conclude that groklaw was run by crazies who wouldn't know logic if it hit them in the face.

It has, thankfully, blown up in Ms O'Gara's face, which goes to show that there is some small sliver of justice in the world.

Re:Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead (3, Informative)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490138)

Which only makes it seem much more like SCO had a hand in this. Darl McBride's personal info is published on the web and he receives harrassment (and probably insults to his Mormon faith), so he decides "it's payback time!" Problem is, there is no Linux CEO so he decides to go after PJ and do the same thing to her... but of course, PJ isn't responsible for Darl's problems, and only a truly warped mind would deem this "revenge" appropriate.

But what about (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490036)

Jon Katz?

wow (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490038)

Holy Crap, did you guys just ./ groklaw?

Oh my god! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490041)

You've slashdotted groklaw! Bastards!

Censorship!! (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490042)

Shouldn't the editors and slashdotters here who scream censorship at every turn be unhappy about this decision.

This is a clear cut case of censoring someone simply for their opinions. Instead of arguing O'Gara's writings, they are purging here instead.

This reminds of of how communist USSR and China would just "erase" those who would defer from the leadership.

I don't like O'Gara but I wouldn't want here censored either. The way to fight speech you don't like is to fight back with more speech, not to silence them.

Re:Censorship!! (5, Interesting)

gowen (141411) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490069)

It's not censorship, you moron. No magazine or website is morally, legally or ethically obliged to publish anything, by anybody. Especially considering O'Gara will expect them to pay her.

If O'Gara wishes to continue to spout her drivel, there are roughly 27 trillion channels remaining open to her.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. (4, Insightful)

dfenstrate (202098) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490090)

Censorship is when the government bans publication under threat of arrest and imprisonment.

She was basically fired.

Get it straight.

Re:Wrong, wrong, and wrong. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490205)

Funny, the dictionary makes no mention of government or law. But I guess some guy posting on Slashdot knows more about the English language than people who base their entire careers around publishing books about the English language do.

Re:Censorship!! (1)

thorgil (455385) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490097)

No. This is not censorship. The publisher pulled her off the "air"... There are such things as bad PR.

Re:Censorship!! (0, Redundant)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490099)

Get a dictionary. Look up what "censorship" actually means before using the word.

Re:Censorship!! (5, Insightful)

elrond2003 (675701) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490109)

Not really. MOG has the freedom to start her own "Groklaw"_alike blog and rant to her heart's content. No one will be reading unless she starts making sense, but them's the breaks.

Re:Censorship!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490113)

Rights to be heard are permitted provided it does not infringed upon the rights of others. O'Gara IMO has overstep that line, and thus deserves what she "got." I like to see you try defend your rights to free speech in a court if you are caught shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater.

Re:Censorship!! (1)

Dehumanizer (31435) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490125)

Fine. If that's YOUR definition of censorship, then please give me a lot of money so I can buy airtime at a TV station and say what I think to the world.

What, you don't want to pay for it? That's censorship! You're just trying to silence me, you dirty commie!!! :)

Re:Censorship!! (4, Insightful)

r_benchley (658776) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490156)

This is not censorship. There was no internet-wide ban of O'Gara stories. Maureen O'Gara is free to post her stories on another magazine's website, a personal blog, a newspaper, wherever. Sys Con Media decided that it was not in their best interest to carry her stories, so they removed her from their site. They have no obligation to print her material.

Re:Censorship!! (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490188)

This wasn't an "opinion", this was a blatant personal attack and harrassment. If Moron O'Gara had just said "PJ sucks!" she would be ok. When you start publishing names, addresses, and phone numbers of somebody and all their relatives, that crosses the line from free speech to threatening speech -- which is not protected by the First Ammendment.

This isn't censorship. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490190)

This isn't censorship. It's removing someone from a position that they were using to slander another individual.

Would you actually argue that I have a right to call up your employer and claim you were a child molester? I mean, it's just speech...

Astroturfing!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490196)

"Shouldn't the editors and slashdotters here who scream censorship at every turn be unhappy about this decision."

"This is a clear cut case of censoring someone simply for their opinions. Instead of arguing O'Gara's writings, they are purging here instead."
Nope, O'Gara clearly broke every journalistic standard out there, so fireing her is the only right thing to do.

"This reminds of of how communist USSR and China would just "erase" those who would defer from the leadership."
Then you either live under a serious delusion about what the issues are in the matter at hand, or you'r simply trolling.

"I don't like O'Gara but I wouldn't want here censored either. The way to fight speech you don't like is to fight back with more speech, not to silence them."
Nope, the only way to fight totally unacceptable, if not criminal behaviour is to fire the journalist who is guilty of breaking the rules.

Re:Censorship!! (5, Insightful)

snorklewacker (836663) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490198)

> Shouldn't the editors and slashdotters here who scream censorship at every turn be unhappy about this decision.

No one is telling her she cannot publish. No one is shutting down her site. Sys-con is declining to purchase her column because of gross unprofessionalism. Firing someone for failing to perform the duties and responsibilities of their job is hardly censorship.

It's common among geeks to assume laws and principles are some sort of rigid inflexible code. if publisher.cuts_off($writer) $action="CENSORSHIP"; ... the real world does not work like that, as some principles are regarded well above others, including subjective ones like "merit", such as the merit of MOG's column.

And doesn't it put the lie to your bait about us "screaming censorship at every turn" when "we" indeed do fail to live up to this charicature?

Re:Censorship!! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490207)

Okay, let's think about this.

Maureen O'Gara posts a story, which includes:

1. PJ's address
2. PJ's phone number
3. Some comments about PJ's car and the contents
4. Some snide comments about PJ's religious affiliation
5. Some snide comments about the interior of PJ's place
6. The address of PJ's mother
7. Pictures of PJ's front door
8. Pictures of PJ's car ...and therefore LBN fired O'Gara, and you think O'Gara was censored?

Get a clue.

Geez, You're Right! (1)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490222)

Now that I think about it, how come all MY brilliant writings do not appear in sys-con's publications. Only one explanation: Censorship! Pure and simple, cruel and UnAmerican! I am ALMOST POSITIVE that the first amendment requires anyone who runs a magazine to print everything I say. How the hell did I overlook this grave injustice?!!

No... (1)

big-giant-head (148077) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490231)

THis is like the NYT reporter that was fired for just making crap up. Thats more or less what she did.

Besides it doesn't make sense for a pub. titled 'linux world' or 'linux business jornal' to have a rabidly anti-GPL anti-Open Source person on staff.

That would be akin to Microsoft hiring Richard Stallman to write about how bad proprietery software is.

Re:Censorship!! (2, Insightful)

Wdomburg (141264) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490234)

She wasn't fired - not censored, fired - for her opinion. She was fired for producing a particularly odious example of yellow journalism and stepping over the line with a gross violation of privacy. One which may well be legally actionable.

The good old days (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490044)

Don't you miss the good old days of ESR, RMS and Bruce Perens at each other's throats all the time? This Groklaw / Maureen O'Hara / Rob Something / Laura Something stuff is such a pale imitation. At least Darl McBride was an interesting villain, but he seems to have left the field while the rest of them keep pretending anyone still cares.

Finally (3, Insightful)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490046)

It only took them two years. I'm sure they kept her so long because of immense ad revenue generated by all the angry OSS supporters who felt the need to read every offensive article.

What took so long? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490048)

We've all known that MOG is a pathetic shill for a long time. Why did it take so long for the publisher to figure this out?

Re:What took so long? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490087)

They wanted to promote an Open Sores development?

re (1)

brennz (715237) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490050)

I am happy to see that Fuat Kircaali & the Linuxworld editors are standing up for quality journalism. I am looking forward to reading future articles there.

Nah Nah Nah Nah (3, Funny)

RailGunner (554645) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490052)

Nah Nah Nah Nah,
Nah Nah Nah Nah,
Hey Hey Hey

And please don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Tweak either Apache or MySQL... (1, Interesting)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490054)

...MaxClients or max_user_connections to avoid:
Warning: mysql_connect(): User groklaw has already more than 'max_user_connections' active connections in /public/vhost/g/groklaw/system/databases/mysql.cla ss.php on line 108
Cannnot connect to DB server

Re:Tweak either Apache or MySQL... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490171)

Why is it tweak and not "OMG APACHE AND MYSQL SUCK THE SHIT!!!?!?!".

You open sores turds jump on M$ like fat greasy bearded flies on shit everytime some loser misconfigures an IIS server or doesnt have sufficient hardware. Show a little consistency OK?

Full Aritcle Text (5, Informative)

PlusFiveTroll (754249) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490180)

SCO and its minions can never again complain about Linux "zealots", not without being laughed right off the stage, because compared to them and their tactics, it's clear now who are the pros at intimidation and terror.

Darl McBride and Laura DiDio have complained bitterly about receiving nasty email and late-night phone calls. That's kid's stuff by comparison. Without commenting on the latest O'Gara article's contents, because I am considering legal action and can't comment directly at this time, think about this: Have Linux "zealots" ever put up personal info on how to find Darl McBride's mother, with pictures of her home and the number on her mailbox so any stalker can find her readily? That was O'Gara's intent. Has anyone published who DiDio calls from her landline phone? Can you imagine the press conference SCO would hold, and what names they would call the FOSS community, if anything like that happened?

Who are the "extremists" now? The "cyberterrorists"? The violators of the law and of all things decent? Who are the enablers of stalking and violence?

But the big picture is this: it's official now, not just a guess, that my readers simply don't care who I am or what I am. They really don't. Groklaw isn't about me, and my work stands on its own. Anyway, they know me by now as a person, because in my writing they see my inner person, how my brain works, my heart, my ethics. We're old friends by now, and you always stand by an old, true friend. That is exactly what has happened.

Groklaw is exactly what I told you from day one, a blog written by a paralegal who became a journalist. I do it myself. All by myself. Well. Me and the entire worldwide FOSS community. All the rest is just their paranoid ravings and imaginings. Literally thousands of members and readers contribute to Groklaw, and millions read what we present.

You know why? In part, because I never take the low road. Really. That's the secret to Groklaw's success. It's a place on the Internet where we can speak to each other as adults, in a civil atmosphere, without meanness or ad hominem attacks and work together with a common purpose, regardless of our varied backgrounds and preferences in other areas. Politics is off topic. So is religion. And so are insults. I don't even let comments remain if they attack people like Maureen O'Gara. I once wrote an article to ask people not to attack her verbally, when others did so on another website. (In that article I wrote that she was a good journalist. I take that part back. I tend to be too kind.)

I have been flooded with emails of support and donations. I'd say whatever the dark side's intent, it has boomeranged. And I also want to thank everyone for all the words of support and the donations. I will try to write to you all personally in time, but I couldn't wait to tell you how touched I am by the overwhelming number of good wishes. Thank you. It means everything to me that you responded as you have and have seen through this latest and most foul attempt at intimidation and character assassination. Did you notice? They only attack me as a person. What does that tell you about the integrity of Groklaw that they were forced to stoop to that?

On a personal note: I've heard from several who are seriously warning me that they think SCO is setting me up so that they can arrange my "suicide". You know, like Val Kreidel allegedly was so overwhelmed by what was printed about her by Maureen O'Gara and others that she ended it all?

I have no experience in such things, so I can't evaluate their warnings, but I have taken note that three persons on the SCOX Yahoo Finance board, one known to be a SCO supporter if not an insider, have already predicted my suicide, two of them since this article.

So I feel I should say this, just for the record, just in case, worst-case scenario: I don't believe in suicide, and I certainly don't care what Maureen O'Gara thinks about me. So if you hear about my "suicide", it isn't one. And you can take that to the bank. She has no power to touch the core of who I am or how I think of myself. No one does. I know who I am, and I'm proud of my work and my decisions in my life. Not that any of that is anyone's business. I never agreed to be a public person. I don't want to be, and I have a human and a legal right to privacy. Just because you decide to blog, it doesn't rob you of your rights as a private person.

I have contacted the proper authorities, federal and local, in the state where I really live, and asked their advice, specifically about the warnings, and I have taken reasonable steps to protect myself, in harmony with what they counseled me. One of the things they told me to do is to tell you about the warnings I have received and put it out there in public, and so I am.

Here's a sampling of the many, many hundreds of emails I am receiving today, published with the permission of the authors -- I never violate anyone's privacy myself, because I treasure my own, so nothing goes on Groklaw without permission:


What O'Gara, McBride, and others of their ilk fail to realize is that members of the Open Source Community are a discerning bunch. We are impressed by demonstrated merit, not by marketing spin and FUD. We know what we need to about PJ from the fabulous news site and blog that she maintains. Your character shines through in the integrity of your work. O'Gara's attempt to spin innocuous details of your private life into some sort of character smear would be laughable if it were not so despicably mean-spirited. I certainly hope it has not caused you any stress. Please be assured that your thousands of friends in the community stand behind you.

Thad Phetteplace


Just wanted to let you know how much I value your contribution of Groklaw to the world and that I wish you all the best in resisting the harassement MOG has launched against you.

I have never seen anything like your writing on the importance of culture, law, and software and how they relate to one another. I certainly didn't have anything like the appreciation I now do for the law before groklaw was around.

It's a shame that you have been targetted for harassement like you have. I hope it ends soon.

All the best,

Chris Marshall

Dear PJ, I just want to express my support on that article that O'Gara wrote about you. Whether the things she said are true or not is a completely secondary matter, Groklaw readers have been following your writing for a long time, and we judge you from what you have to say, and not any incidentals, but I'm sure that, whether it is true or not, it is not a nice thing to be spoken about in such a way... It is clear that O'Gara has no respect for truth, honesty and, more importantly, no respect for other people. I'm sorry that it came to this, and I want to thank you for all your Groklaw work, hoping you think it was worth it, even though it made you some unscrupulous and dishonourable enemies.

Of course, I do think it's worth it, and Groklaw will keep right on truckin'.

about time (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490055)


Of course (5, Insightful)

Homology (639438) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490056)

the advertisers that are paying hard cash are the only opinions that count :

"Sys-con Media listened to what I and my fellow editors, their advertisers and the readership was saying, and made the correct decision..."
[My emphasis]

Re:Of course (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490105)

the advertisers that are paying hard cash are the only opinions that count :

Perhaps in the short term, but in the long term, if there are no readers....

Re:Of course (1)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490230)

I also wrote a few of those advertisers saying I and my company would be blacklisting their products and services ,and told them why.
Havn't got any response but i know a few others did write aswell .
The advertisers may be the only important thing to them , but were the important thing to the advertisers.

Honest question (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490059)

Was Maureen O'Gara REALLY pro-SCO or just being destructively sensationalistic?

Re:Honest question (1)

Freshly Exhumed (105597) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490206)

MOG: "To the last, I will grapple with thee. From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee." That's about right for her career now, I'd say.

Interesting article at Groklaw... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490060)

Warning: mysql_connect(): User groklaw has already more than 'max_user_connections' active connections in /public/vhost/g/groklaw/system/databases/mysql.cla ss.php on line 108 Cannnot connect to DB serve

...but I don't understand that sort of complicated legalese.

Why did it take so long? (4, Interesting)

rudy_wayne (414635) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490063)

Why did a magazine called LinuxWorld continue to print garbage by someone who is so obviously anti-Linux?

[OT] Fix your sig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490123)

"Proves" should be "prove". "Patches" is plural.

Re:Why did it take so long? (1)

CosmeticLobotamy (155360) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490124)

Depending on who you ask, either in a cheap effort to get angry repeat customers, or for balance. If it's the latter, they should learn that media actually interested in balance will pick the smartest people from both sides while ignoring the loud idiots. It's a mistake only the best news organizations manage to avoid. It's usually why they're the best news organizations in the first place.

Re:Why did it take so long? (4, Interesting)

Homology (639438) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490147)

Why did a magazine called LinuxWorld continue to print garbage by someone who is so obviously anti-Linux?

Advertisers are a very important source of revenue, and for some the most important one. Have a look at Slashdot stories and keep the phrase "advertisers pay money" in your mind at the same time. Hmh, the average Slashdotter should edit /etc/login.conf and increase maxproc-max from 1 to 2 while doing this. They would need to relogin after this change, though.

Ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490224)

Why does Slashdot, a notoriously Linux-backing site, host Microsoft ads from time to time? Oh, right ... money.

Re:Why did it take so long? (1)

Moe Taxes (304424) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490229)

Perhaps for the same reason they are the only Linux mag that accepts ads from Microsoft.

When an open source program is patched you know why, by whom, and how to back it out. When a closed source program is patched all you know is to keep your fingers crossed.

Re:Why did it take so long? (1)

BroncoInCalifornia (605476) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490237)

She wrote these very inflammatory articles that were synchronised with SCO's media agenda. This got the penguinistas enraged as they went to the SYS-CON web sites to read the latest outrage.

In short she brought readers to the site. A lot of enraged penguinistas fell for the bait.

But as a result SYS-CON had no credibility.

Re:Why did it take so long? (1)

Orne (144925) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490253)

Why does Newsweek carry editorials by Bill Kristol?

So they can claim that they are "balanced", and can "fairly" discuss all sides of an issue. So they can pad the magazine with 90% content of one side of the story, 10% with the differing viewpoint. It just seems that LinuxWorld got tired of their dissenting viewpoint, and cut it.

And why not, you wouldn't put a column on "Visual Basic Tips" in a Mac magazine, it just doesn't fit the demographics. This is just another example of a media outlet who is catering to its readership (in grand old capitalist fashion) and trimming things to bring in more advertising support. It works for the New York Times catering to the liberal northeast, it'll work here.

Of course, the down side is that more people can now be dismissive of the content in LinuxWorld, because it only provides the banner-waving viewpoint, but if that helps draw in more subscribers, then go for it.

too little, too late... (3, Interesting) (807087) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490066)

by sys-con imho. they have repeatedly shown themselves to be anti-linux and they are only doing this because of the pressure [and potential legal issues].

they are most certainly not acting because it was the right thing to do.

Re:too little, too late... (1)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490148)

PJ already told everyone she is not going to be bullied into suing.

last i read (1) (807087) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490203)

pj said she was considering her options.

whether she sues or not, there may end up being criminal activities and subsequent prosecution here...

Here's the commentary from Groklaw... (4, Informative)

rjelks (635588) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490076)

...before their server melts.

Sys-Con has decided to listen to its editors, who took a very courageous stand, its readers and advertisers and will no longer publish any of Maureen O'Gara's writings. Here is the story, from James Turner, Senior Editor of LinuxWorld, who, together with Dee-Ann LeBlanc, forced the issue by announcing Sys-Con would have to choose between them and O'Gara:

The good news is, the right thing happened in the end. Sys-con Media listened to what I and my fellow editors, their advertisers and the readership was saying, and made the correct decision. Maureen O'Gara's bylined material will no longer appear anywhere in the Sys-con universe of sites or publications. We have received this commitment in writing from Fuat Kircaali, the publisher. Checking around the web sites this morning, I can see that her material is already almost entirely gone, I assume the remainder will dribble out over the next few days. Now we can return to producing a world-class web site and print magazine, with the kind of editorial control that we think is critical. You showed your support for our position, I hope you'll be equally kind to us with your readership.

My faith in the human race is restored. I do thank all those who took such a stand, publicly and privately. It means so much to me to know that there is still a line, an ethical line, and some things that we agree we ought never to do to a fellow human. Sometimes, covering the SCO saga, you can start to wonder what has happened to the human race. SCO's fundamental problem is, they never see that line until they have crossed it. Then they wonder why they are failing as a company and in their litigation.

By the way, we found out how many comments we can have before the software sinks, on the last story. It seems 1,181 is our natural limit, so please don't add any more comments to that story. We are holding on by our fingertips, while MathFox works his wonders. It's never happened before. Remember when we had to move away from Radio Userland because we were having too many comments for the software? Well, again we have so many comments the software is groaning. Here, we can make the necessary changes to be able to grow right where we stand. Your outpouring of support made a difference. I fell asleep with a smile on my face, believe it or not. I had no idea so many people cared so much about Groklaw and about me. I thank you all very much. I'll remember yesterday all the days of my life.

Here's the commentary from Groklaw's webmaster (4, Informative)

MathFox (686808) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490251)

I honestly thought that the new servers at Ibiblio could handle a Slashdotting... Apologies for the disruption in service this time.

Summary not clear (2, Interesting)

kevin_conaway (585204) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490077)

Ok, the summary didn't make it clear to those of us who don't RTFA. Who is she, why isn't she welcome and why do we care? Thanks.

Re:Summary not clear (1)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490131)

I think it has to do with the burning of Atlanta and Clark Gable, frankly my dear, not giving a damn.

Re:Summary not clear (3, Informative)

UnderScan (470605) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490179)

M O'Gara's report about "Who is PJ?": text only cache [] . Puke!

Re:Summary not clear (2, Informative)

jbum (121617) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490233)

I found this article [] helpful, as it provides some background info on who Ms. O'Gara is.

Re:Summary not clear (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490244)

O'Gara printed what was essentially a "How to stalk Pamela Jones of Groklaw" article, complete with her address and photos of where she lives. Also included was commentary on the quality of PJ's locks, and what the inside of PJ's apartment looked like when PJ wasn't home. We don't know that it was actually PJ of Groklaw, her mother, or just some innocent bystander (judging from PJ's reaction, I'm guessing it was her mother). We do know either someone got screwed, or O'Gara enjoys making crap up for a story. Either way, she needed to get tossed.

O'Gara's a reporter who's had scoops on what SCO was planning on doing well before hand (usually screwing up some facts in the process, but still indicative of a very good inside source) The formally wacky conspiracy theories noting the unusually high suicide rate surrounding lawsuits in the Canopy Group took on an entirely new tone after this article, I assure you.

Good news, but... (1)

Skiron (735617) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490080)

... although it was a terrible unethical article (and I really felt for PJ yesterday), isn't getting rid of MOG a bit like sacking Ronald McDonald? Who are we all going to laugh at?

Re:Good news, but... (1)

CaptainZapp (182233) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490252)

... although it was a terrible unethical article (and I really felt for PJ yesterday), isn't getting rid of MOG a bit like sacking Ronald McDonald? Who are we all going to laugh at?

Not that I'd dispute that (alas it was humour for real men with an iron stomach). But she crossed the line when she personally attacked PJ.

This is sort of like Ronald Mc Donald pulling a SIG Sauer and starting to blast away in the playroom of a Manhattan McDonalds.

Who is she and what did she do? (1)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490082)

I'm vaguely familiar with the name, and I recognize her as someone with something to do with the SCO story, but it was frustrating to read the article and still not really understand what the problem was. I mean, I *know* in a general sense, that she wrote articles that were favorable to SCO's position, and I'm sure that this development follows from that, but there's not much in the article that would bring someone up to speed, which makes it poor journalism.

Re:Who is she and what did she do? (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490121)

Agreed, I never RTFA on the SCO stuff, so who the hell is this chicka? -Rick

Re:Who is she and what did she do? (2, Informative)

CSG_SurferDude (96615) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490135)

Since you can't get to groklaw to find out (PJ's server is being slammed right now)

Mo'G recently wrote and published a highly vitriolic attack on PJ, including things like personal phone numbers, addresses, and the address of her mother's home.

Way off-base, and totally wrong thing to do.

Vitriole? Where? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490226)

Here is the original article...where is the vitriole? I just see a bunch of facts...

Friday May 6, 2005 - A few weeks ago I went looking for the elusive harridan who supposedly writes the Groklaw blog about the SCO v IBM suit.

The now-famous opinion-shaping open source leader Pamela Jones, aka PJ, doesn't give conventional face-to-face interviews. Never has, near as anyone knows. All communication is virtual. Only one person in the world has ever claimed to have met her - in the pressroom at LinuxWorld in Boston complete with a Pamela Jones badge - and described her as a fortyish reddish-blonde who giggled a lot.

Oh yeah? Wonder what cold crème she uses.

Pamela Jones is a 61-year-old Jehovah's Witness who lives in a shabby genteel garden apartment in desperate need of an interior decorator on a heavily trafficked commercial road at 304 North Central Avenue in Hartsdale, New York. Hartsdale is in Westchester and Westchester is IBM territory.

See, even though Groklaw treats cell phones like they were Kleenex and changes its unpublished numbers regularly, one number it left with a journalist led to this flat and - wouldn't you know it but - some calls from there had been placed to the courts in Utah and to the Canopy Group so obviously this just isn't any Pamela Jones.

Pamela has lived in apartment 1A for 10 years at least, according to the super, who says he's watched people move in, have children, and the children marry and move away.

Now, this isn't your usual anonymous New York apartment. It's practically a self-contained village where the super goes for the old ladies' groceries when there's snow on the ground and people know each other's business.

But the super didn't know much about Pamela except that she had a computer, worked at home (maybe sometimes) for a lawyer, was "paranoid" - his word - and "sensitive to smells."

He remembered how he was cleaning paintbrushes one day and she came running down the stairs screaming "Fire."

She was also missing and had been for weeks.

Nobody there knew where she was.

She had up and disappeared one day, and the super was worried about her. He said her son had dropped by and he didn't know where she was, and that some strange man that "nobody knew," as the super described him, had tried to get into her apartment while she was gone - the Medeco lock she had had installed on her door - something nobody else in the complex seemed to feel a need for - was more expensive than the door. But, as it happened, the super said, she had just sent in her rent in an envelope postmarked Connecticut.

Like an episode out of "Where in the World is Carmen San Diego," the trail led to 10 Bittersweet Trail in Norwalk, Connecticut, 24 miles away. Sure enough, parked in the driveway was Pamela's car, just as the super had described it, a dark gray '90s Japanese number with a bunch of Jehovah Witness pamphlets tossed on the backseat.

The woman at the house, Barbara Sharnik, told a disjointed story. She didn't know Pamela, Pamela hated her, Pamela wasn't there, Pamela left her car there because it got bumped, Pamela left her car there because she left town, and so on.

Afterwards Barbara called the cops, and then the cops called the number we left with her and the cops said that she was Pamela's mother and that Pamela was on the run and had shacked up with her mother because she had gotten "threatening mail" weeks before and that she had just gotten spooked again because "people were getting hurt around [my] stories" and had lighted out for Canada.

Odd, the subject of my stories - or any stories - never came up during our brief interview. I was just looking for Pamela.

That left Pamela's son, Nicolas Richards, who, as it happens, had been in the software business in Manhattan until - why, my goodness - things seem to have come a cropper right around the time Groklaw came into existence.

Nick and his ma were apparently involved together in Medabiliti Inc, an ISV, because one Pamela Jones with a Westchester phone number (914 761-7423) and a Medabiliti e-mail ( was down as the director of public affairs on a Medabiliti press release dated April 14, 2003.

Nick, as it happens, has written under his own byline on a Groklaw sister site, GrokDoc, giving advice on technical writing. Nick and his wife Andrea live in fancier digs than his ma on East 76th Street off First Avenue, a neighborhood where apartments go for a couple of million bucks.

Now, according to one of Pamela's neighbors and fellow Jehovah's Witness, being a Jehovah's Witness is pretty much a full-time job in and of itself. Witnesses also don't usually get involved in worldly affairs.

So, is this story-spooked 61-year-old Jehovah's Witness with religious tracts in her backseat also the 90-hour-a-week writer of the voluminous PJ diatribes or is she a victim of identity theft?

Re:Who is she and what did she do? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490193)

Who is Maureen O'Gara? Well, she's the inspiration for this [] : Feel free to email her a copy :-)

I *really* *hate* MoGs.

The WalMart down the road was selling Mini Maureen O'Gara Trolls (MoGTrolls) for 2 cents a piece. That was even less than the 5 cents a piece I paid for those damn monkeys ... so I figured "What have I got to loose?"

So I bought 250 MoGTrolls for $5.00. I mean, what's 5 buck, right? What could possibly go wrong?

I took my 250 MoGTrolls home. I have a big car. One of them insisted on driving. Its' name was Maureen O'Gara (all the MoGTrolls answer to Maureen O'Gara). It was retarded, even for a troll. In fact, now that I had them outside in the daylight, it was obvious that they were all "more than a few bricks short of a full load." I couldn't let the MoGTroll drive, so I kicked it in the head. It LIKED being kicked in the head! WTF? So I obliged it by kicking it some more. Soon, all the MoGTrolls were kicking each other and giggling like crazy, snot running down their ugly troll faces. This made it hard to drive, but we finally made it home.

I herded them into the basement. They didn't adapt well to their new environment. They stopped kicking each other, and just sulked. Then they began pulling the hair out of each other. It quickly became a mess. Oh, and nobody told me that MoGTrolls aren't toilet trained. I googled and yahoo'd for "toilet training MoGTrolls", but all that came back was "lots of luck, sucker!" and "never been done."

The novelty of having 250 MoGTrolls had worn off.

The MogTrolls got out of the basement and kept trying to use my computers, even though everyone knows that MoGTrolls can't write for shit. They kept on, though, and started posting all sorts of weird, distorted stuff. I mean REALLY bent! So my ISP cut me off. I hate MoGTrolls.

I had to find another ISP. And the damn MoGTrolls got me kicked off that one, too. I went from high-speed cable to adsl to dialup to - well, lets just say that TCP/IP over a clothesline really sux. I can only post when my neighbours are doing their laundry. I feel SO low having to steal bandwidth through their underware flapping in the breeze!

Did I mention that I hate MoGTrolls?

At least by now I knew why the MoGTrolls were so cheap - nobody would want one. All they do is sit around and make rambling random noise and emit noxious vapours, and excrete stuff that even the dogs don't want to sniff ... and dogs will eat their own puke!

I didn't know what to do - I was at wits end. So I went out to the local Home Depot and bought some muriatic acid, the stuff you use on concrete. I took one of the MoGTrolls and dipped it into the muriatic acid. The acid turned into goo. I poored some on the sidewalk outside, and it quickly melted the ice. Unfortunately, it also completely removed the top inch of concrete. The city had to replace the sidewalk. I got the bill last week. I hate MoGTrolls.

I decided to kill them all and throw them in the garbage. Do you have any idea how HARD it is to kill a MoGTroll? They're worse than cockroaches! You can drop a load of bricks on them, squish them flatter than a penny after the train's gone over it, and next morning they're back at it again, spitting, being mean, and just looking butt-ugly as usual.

So I tried to have a garage sale. I TRIED to make them look half-way decent, but MoGTrolls are like SCO stock - no amount of lipstick will make that pig look good. Not only did I not sell a single MoGTroll; the police gave me a fine for disturbing the peace. All the kids in the neighbourhood are having nightmares, and the school has to have a psychologist on staff full-time to deal with all the trauma that being exposed to a whole herd of MoGTrolls can cause in young minds. I hate MoGTrolls.

I tried to flush one down the toilet. It didn't work. It's still there. Then I had one wet gibbering MoGTroll, 1 acid-stained MoGTroll, and 248 dry MoGTrolls, and one blocked toilet. The MoGTroll won't come out of the toilet. I don't mean its stuck in it - it REFUSES to come out. I tried for over an hour to pull it out, but it likes it there. Yesterday, we had a big rainstorm and the toilet backed up, and 3 more MoGTrolls jumped in. Now I have 4 gross stinky wet MoGTrolls and 245 gross stinky dry MoGTrolls, and 1 acid-stained MoGTroll. The plumbers just laugh when I call them. I guess they hate MoGTrolls too.

I tried burying one in the back yard. That didn't work. A raccoon dug it up, and a skunk sprayed it. Well, at least now it doesn't smell as bad as the other MoGTrolls. But now I also have a date in court for burying toxic refuse. I hate MoGTrolls.

I tried burning some of them with the leaves. The neighbours accused me of burning tires. Another $300 fine. So now I have 4 wet stinky MoGTrolls, a dozen singed burnt-hair-stinky MoGTrolls, and 230-some-odd regular stinky MoGTrolls.

Now when I want some fresh air, I go to the municipal land-fill or the sewer treatment plant. Anything's better than the stench of MoGTroll.

I tried to hide them in the garbage (they LIKE playing in the garbage). Unfortunately, the garbageman caught on (one of the MoGTrolls bit him in the ankle when he lifted the bag). They can't take MoGTrolls, and since the MoGTrolls can't/won't be removed from the garbage, they had to tip their whole load into my driveway. The end result is my car is under 10 tons of coffee grinds, used diapers, sanitary napkins, and empty pizza boxes. Oh, and I got another fine from the city, for the garbage. And a bill for the doctor's visit for the garbageman. And now the garbage truck stops by every week, to MAKE DELIVERIES! I hate MoGTrolls!

I finally came up with a solution. It was expensive, but not as expensive as the bills the MoGTrolls have been running up. I put them all in FedEx boxes, marked "Windows LongHorn Upgrade Media Kit", and sent them to all the so-called "analysts" and "reporters" who have been spreading FUD against Free, Libre, and Open-Source software (FLOSS). With Bill Gates home as the return address. I figure the MoGTrolls won't slow their computer down as much as LongHorn will, so they should be grateful.

I just hope the Department of Homeland Security doesn't find out - I don't want to be labeled "The MoGTroll Terrorist."

I really, really, hate MoGTrolls.

I hope pj does this (1)

WillRobinson (159226) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490084)

To support groklaw, I would love to have a yellow wristband that says GrokLaw on one side, and Anoymous on the other. Just so I could spot other GL'ers and /.'ers and smile ...

How bout it Taco? Would be a great way to support yourself and GL!

One Letter Away from (3, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490086)

O'Hara, but still Gone With The Wind

'n good riddance

On whores (3, Insightful)

CaptainZapp (182233) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490091)

I hope for Ms. O'Garas sake that she's very well paid. Because as a journalist she's dead. And - in my opinion of course - her writings represent the equivalent of a crack whore in San Franciscos Tenderloin district offering a blowjob for $7.95 (incl. sales tax).

What is reprehensible and really hard to stomach is that she stooped to such lows as attacking Ms. Jones privacy.

Reminds me of the methods of a science fiction space opera nut cult.

Kernel Oops? (1)

falzer (224563) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490093)

The "yesterday's article about unrest at LinuxWorld" link in the Related Links sidebar points to

I understand the consequences of this error are grave.

This is sad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490098)

Isn't it terrible to see such a competent, scrupulous, free thinking journalist loose her job? Where will I turn now to get well funded, independend reporting on Linux?

I think I'll have to cry now. :-(

Is it enough? (2, Insightful)

Udo Schmitz (738216) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490122)

Shouldn't there be an official apology and counterstatement on the main pages of all SysCon sites which published the story? And how about personal apologies by Fuat Kircaali to PJ, maybe even some sort of compensation?

In other news today, Steve Ballemer.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490139)

anncoucne new VP in charge of PR Maureen O'Gara!! ta-da! ill be here all week, try the veel...

We've Slashdotted Groklaw (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490141)

Eeeek, sorry.

It is not stopping them from linking to her (1)

The_Ronin (202785) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490152)

While they may be purging your main articles written for them, further down the page they have link after link to MOG's articles on LinuxGram.

I would be more interested in seeing a public apology rather than just taking immediate damage control and going for the cheap (yet obvious) solution.

Damn Irish....... (2, Funny)

KingBahamut (615285) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490161)

Always out to keep the Scottish Man down.

O'Gara, dug your hole deep, now lets see you get out of it.

An ad-hominem cheap shot (2, Funny)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490162)

Ding, dong, the witch is dead
Which old witch? The wicked witch!
Ding, dong, the wicked witch is dead!

Where will she go? (2, Insightful)

RealProgrammer (723725) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490166)

It's not a question of if she'll show up again, but when. There's too much at stake for the other side to allow such a willing tool to go unused.

My bet that she starts her own blog. That way she can have a platform to expound on her quirky worldview, without these pesky editor types watching over her shoulder.

Or she may choose a new pseudo'nym and start writing about life in White Plains, Westchester [] , and anyplace north of the East River and east of Long Island Sound. She seems really fascinated by that area. O'bsessed, you might say.

Photo of O'Gara... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490186)

...upon receiving the news.

here []


Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490254)

Public Service Announcement.

You've been warned.

Stand and be counted! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490215)

Will the real PJ please stand up!
I'm PJ, I admit it so sue me.
Signed AC

but who cares? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12490235)

Linux will never be ready for the desktop no matter who they fire....

Can you say BIG BROTHER (-1, Troll)

PenguinBoyDave (806137) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490238)

Censorship...pure and simple. Linux World just lost my business.

"Editor in chief"? (4, Interesting)

int2str (619733) | more than 9 years ago | (#12490260)

Hearing that Maureen will no longer publish her nonsense articles is certainly good news. But nowhere does it say she actually got sacked by sys-con.

Without evidence of the contrary , I must however assume she is still "Editor in chief" of "Linux Business Week" and thus still getting paid by sys-con.

The only thing which was made clear is that she could not publish articles authored by herself anymore.

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