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MPAA Targets TV Download Sites

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the buy-our-dvds dept.

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KenDaMan writes "ZDNet.com is reporting that the MPAA is targeting websites that serve as traffic directors for BitTorrent swaps. From the article: 'Continuing its war on Internet file-swapping sites, the Motion Picture Association of America said Thursday that it has filed lawsuits against a half-dozen hubs for TV show trading.' Apparently it is OK to record TV as long as your aren't sharing it."

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Hello, Friends (0, Flamebait)

the_mad_poster (640772) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515351)

Apparently it is OK to record TV as long as your aren't sharing it.

No shit, fucknuts. Distribution of copyrighted material is illegal, not owning it. Did you run home from kindygardin just to post this stupid shit to slashdot?

Oh shit. I forgot. I'm on slashdot where people form dumbass opinions on things like this all the time even though they clearly know nothing about the topic of discussion.

And, of course, the editors put this stupid shit up on the front page so you fat, floppy, friendless fucks can sit around screaming and flailing over some perceived injustice (oh noes! They don't want me to steal their hard work!) until you have a thin film of dorito-colored spit coating your screen and a lapful of slurpee.

You're all dumbasses.

Re:Hello, Friends (1, Interesting)

pomo monster (873962) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515386)

Parent makes a good point; it's too bad the mods didn't want to hear it.

Re:Hello, Friends (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515496)

The poster gave up his opportunity to receive positive moderation when he descended into juvenile insult. If you genuinely believe that he had a point, then restate it in a nonabrasive manner and see if the mods "want to hear it"

Re:Hello, Friends (2, Funny)

pomo monster (873962) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515580)

Actually, I thought "you're all dumbasses" was the most insightful bit.

Re:Hello, Friends (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515419)

I'm an American citizen and what you say is true. Our founding fathers like John Wayne and Gary Cooper who tought civilization to the savage red indians and who made this country great would turn in their graves if they knew people were sharing TV content.

Re:Hello, Friends (0)

stor (146442) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515565)

NO, YOU ARE!!!!

Stor

btefnet (-1)

HFShadow (530449) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515352)

Gah! I hope btefnet isn't in the list =( Anyone have a list?

Re:btefnet (5, Informative)

jlev (590861) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515359)

TFA has a list.

"The six sites sued Thursday include ShunTV, Zonatracker, Btefnet, Scifi-Classics, CDDVDHeaven and Bragginrights."

Re:btefnet (1)

Carlbunn (817714) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515367)

And they only added Btefnet after finding it in a slashdot reader's post

Re:btefnet (1)

HFShadow (530449) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515372)

*looks around sheepishly for not reading it fully before posting*

Re:btefnet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515428)

welcome to slashdot!

nobody here ever reads teh articles, but 1f u can port hot grtis down natale portmans pants ....in japan! then, yer welucu3 heRE!

Re:btefnet (1)

John Harrison (223649) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515573)

good thing they didn't go after my favorite, which is...

Re:btefnet (0, Redundant)

Buelldozer (713671) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515365)

From TFA:

The six sites sued Thursday include ShunTV, Zonatracker, Btefnet, Scifi-Classics, CDDVDHeaven and Bragginrights.

Re:btefnet (-1, Offtopic)

Buelldozer (713671) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515396)

Great,

I posted the list first but *I'M* the one who get's modded "redundant". Gotta freaking love moronic /. moderators...

Re:btefnet (1)

artifex2004 (766107) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515430)

I posted the list first but *I'M* the one who get's modded "redundant". Gotta freaking love moronic /. moderators...


not quite [slashdot.org] :)
(and the fact that I'm writing this means I didn't do the modding, or it'd be undone, of course)

Re:btefnet (0, Troll)

Buelldozer (713671) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515488)

When I hit the "submit" button there were to parent posts and NO children in either of them.

His "submit" button was .01 seconds faster then mine. It doesn't make me redundant...it does however make the moderators stupid.

Re:btefnet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515559)

Right, you post a redundant post, say it's not redundant when it obviously is, and complain about getting modded down, and it's the moderators who are stupid.

ummm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515441)

No you were not the first to post the list, you were off by a minute if you want to get technical.

Re:ummm (1)

Buelldozer (713671) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515471)

If you want to get "actual" when I hit the submit button there was a sum total of TWO parent posts with no children.

I responded directly to a parent post with no children. The guy who got the :28 post must have hit submit less then 1 second before me.

That DOESN'T make me redundant, it just makes his submit button a mite quicker.

This is one of the things that really irritates me about slashdot...the stupid moderation.

Re:btefnet (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515391)

"The six sites sued Thursday include ShunTV, Zonatracker, Btefnet, Scifi-Classics, CDDVDHeaven and Bragginrights."

Re:btefnet (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515414)

The six sites sued Thursday include

ShunTV
Zonatracker
Btefnet
Scifi-ClassicsCDDV DHeaven
Bragginrights

Re:btefnet (2, Interesting)

Mr. Flibble (12943) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515415)

Sadly, btefnet is on the list. Where will I get The Daily Show and Dr. Who if they go down?

Re:btefnet (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515539)

I actually work with the guy who runs the server for that site. I just IMed him -- interestingly enough, he said he hasn't gotten anything in the mail yet.

Funny too -- on Tuesday he told me how lucky he felt not to have received a C&D yet, given that the server is in New York. Although this says he's be sued -- not just receiving a C&D -- which he calls "really bad bad news" :(

We're just college students who want to imbue the wit of Jon Stewart, that's all!

Re:btefnet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515417)

btefnet sure is on the list.
if the show has already aired then i can't understand what the issue is. As far as i understan, the MPAA can only take action on sites within the US ... where the shows have already aired and are already in the public domain. It's rather interesting that they go after the bittorrent trackers and users that record shows to distribute on these trackers, and not the people who record onto VHS etc. and lend it out to their friends.
Does this mean that one form of recording is more acceptable than the other and does it mean that if i record to another medium and then transfer to a digital format that its O.K.

"Apparently it is OK to record TV..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515353)

Well, yeah, that's what the law says. Whether that's right or not is a different matter.

That should be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515355)

That should be "You're aren't sharing it."

Re:That should be... (1)

peculiarmethod (301094) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515404)

I never know anymore if someone is kidding or not these days. Maybe that is what I was seeing when as a kid things were so obvious to me, and the adults seemed oblivious. The 'r' in 'your' needs to be removed, but after that last dupe inside a dupe, I think all the true pendants have gone into a coma for the day.

Re:That should be... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515500)

Maybe it should be "you'ren't"?

Re:That should be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515562)

'Pendants' is a joke, right? ;)

mod parent up (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515462)

I think it's actually quite funny. The parent comes in and "corrects" some grammar to something that is obviously incorrect. Then a bunch of grammar Nazis jerk their knees and come in and correct him. THEY HAVE BEEN TROOLED. THEY HAVE LOOSED. THEY SHOULD EATHER HAVE A NEICE DAY OR FUCK OF AND DYE.

what? (4, Interesting)

austad (22163) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515356)

I thought the MPAA only dealt with movies? Are they just going after TV sharers for the hell of it?

Re:what? (4, Informative)

chrispyman (710460) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515375)

Not quite. Their member companies produce most of the TV shows as well.

Re:what? (5, Funny)

Demoknight (66150) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515392)

Next thing we'll hear the MPAA going after porn torrents... I mean assuming they're out there.

Re:what? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515411)

Porn is making its way into the mainstream by allowing itself to be so available. Yeah, they may make a fuss about copyright on occasion to keep up appearances, but overall, they'd rather grow their market so that they can cash in down the line. Today's 16 year olds downloading porn are future adults buying porn.

Re:what? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515437)

Yesterday's 16 year old downloading free porn is today's 26 year old downloading free porn.

It's only a matter of time before the big budget porn DVD companies start suing people too, mark this AC's words.

Re:what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515533)

When I was 16 I bought porn. I'm 45 and now I download it.

Re:what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515567)

Wow, 16 one day and 26 the next? Torrents act as time-travelling devices too?

Re:what? (5, Interesting)

Awptimus Prime (695459) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515542)

I think you miss the point when it comes to porn. The porn industry has profit margins that exceed all other forms of entertainment.

Think about it. You pay a guy and a girl $500 for a 18 minute video, which may take all of 2 hours to shoot and an evening to mix/produce, then you have a lot of revenue for a long time if marketed correctly.

If these margins weren't so wide and the people doing the shooting weren't privately funded ventures, you would see a major difference. To simplify this: There aren't thousands of screaming shareholders, nor are there hundreds of lobbyists working on making ends meet for these businesses. MPAA associated businesses are different.

All these things are covered in high school economics class, it's strange to see people think some industries are cooler for the sake of humanity and completely missing the reason why every single business on earth exists: to generate revenue.

Re:what? (5, Funny)

Luigi30 (656867) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515455)

Of course, but only after downloading it and analyzing it frame-by-frame to see if it truely is copyrighted material.

Re:what? (1)

Karzz1 (306015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515395)

It's what they do. It's all they do.

Yeah, that's kinda the point (4, Funny)

smileyy (11535) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515360)

Apparently it is OK to record TV as long as your aren't sharing it. Think you could loosen your grip on the obvious just a little? It's starting to turn a little blue in the face...

Re:Yeah, that's kinda the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515424)

My favorite part of that sentence was "your aren't"... it just proves that my English isn't that bad after all.

yes (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515361)

please! my ass smells

This Blows (5, Insightful)

bhive01 (832162) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515366)

I don't own a TiVo, but using BitTorrent I've been watching HDTV quality shows on my PC for about 3 months. Man is it sweet. I hope those **AA bastards lose. When are they gonna learn to adopt a new distribution system rather than beat it with fancy lawyers.

Re:This Blows (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515381)

Maybe they'll stop the legal action when people like you stop breaking the law. You can't distribute copyrighted material, numbnuts.

Re:This Blows (2, Insightful)

mangus_angus (873781) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515399)

and it's peions like you, what that kind of attitude that keep it from being legal like it should be.

Re:This Blows (5, Insightful)

bhive01 (832162) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515409)

Which is why they should embrace this distribution medium. I'd pay for a "good" TV show without commercials if I could download it for a reasonable amount. I admit I d/l all kinds of shit, but I buy the good stuff. The rest ends up in the big ole' recycle bin in the sky. Instead of suing new distribution methods, why not try it out and see if it works? my 0.02 c

Re:This Blows (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515510)

Because that would take effort, brains, and (only a little bit) cash.

**AA is greedy, so they don't want to spend ANY cash. They like their system, and have become lazy; don't expect any effort. They obiously have brains, just look at how much cash they have and what a cozy place they set up for themselves.

Re:This Blows (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515484)

Why is it so hard to understand? The vast majority of people watch tv, they don't make tv, so why does the law favour the minority and not the majority? Why, because that minority pays the even smaller minority who makes the laws to make ones that favour them.

Re:This Blows (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515482)

I've only recently resubscribed to platinum digital cable (full everything, including dual tuner DVR and HDTV) after a couple years of not wanting it (mostly since Farscape was canceled as it was the only good thing on television). I am not a fan of cable television and I haven't watched ANY television in almost two years. Where I live, there isn't a lot to do unless you want to drive a bit and there is no television signal otherwise.

So, to keep me sane and relax a bit after work, I ordered cable. The problem is that all of the good shows (especially on HBO) are in their second, third - even fifth season. I'd like to watch Deadwood, but I don't want to pick it up 20 episodes into the series. I also don't want to spend $50 or $100 or whatever to buy the seasons on DVD (long after they already aired and too late to keep up with the new episodes anyway). Especially when I already pay for HBO to start with!

So, the only way to catch up has been to download episodes from bit torrent, watch them all, then start watching the series on TV. I don't see a problem with this.

Re:This Blows (2, Insightful)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515575)

I also don't want to spend $50 or $100 or whatever to buy the seasons on DVD (long after they already aired and too late to keep up with the new episodes anyway). Especially when I already pay for HBO to start with! So, the only way to catch up has been to download episodes from bit torrent, watch them all, then start watching the series on TV. I don't see a problem with this.

So, the studios are selling the shows you want to watch for $100 a season, but you are downloading them from a website for free instead. You don't see the problem with that? DVD releases of television shows are a huge cash-cow for studios that have already made their money in their initial runs.. you're screwing them out of pure profit by "stealing" the shows from the Internet. A more legit way would be to get Netflix and get the shows from there instead to catch up.

Can't wait..... (5, Funny)

mangus_angus (873781) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515379)

To see Piratebay.org's response to their letter!!

Re:Can't wait..... (1)

psychopracter (613530) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515456)

Word!

MPAA (3, Interesting)

deafpluckin (776193) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515384)

What about non-US sites that are "pirating" US television. Do they have to respect US copyrights?

It is technically legal to download anime that's copyrighted in Japan but not yet licensed in the USA.

Re:MPAA (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515403)

> It is technically legal to download anime that's copyrighted in Japan but not yet licensed in the USA.

No , like TV programs, that's illegal too. Would you warezmonkeys please stop spreading lies to each other? You fools are the entire reason for this "educaton campaign" of suing people.

Re:MPAA (3, Informative)

deafpluckin (776193) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515492)

It is technically legal to download anime that's copyrighted in Japan but not yet licensed in the USA.
No , like TV programs, that's illegal too. Would you warezmonkeys please stop spreading lies to each other? You fools are the entire reason for this "educaton campaign" of suing people.

It's not a lie.

Read here [animesuki.com] :

Fansubs violate copyrights We have to admit it: the distribution of fansubs is technically a violation of copyright under the WTO TRIPS agreement. However the TRIPS agreement does not demand that distribution of copyrighted material is a criminal offence unless it is done on a commercial scale. This means it is up to the copyright holder to bring the offender to court. The copyright of unlicensed material is held by the original creator. In the case of anime this usually means the Japanese distribution company. If something is licenced, the licensee holds the copyright and thus the right to sue any copyright infringers within the area covered by the license. (source: ato's forum post)
Up until now fansub groups have had little to worry about legal pressure from Japan. However US companies are more likely to sue, therefore it is an additional reason for fansub groups to stop distributing a series once it gets licensed in the US.
I assume the same is true for TV.

Re:MPAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515556)

No, like any other downloading, it IS legal. What *is* illegal is sharing, or acting as the distributor. That is what copyrights protect for the originating source. Learn the distinction.

Re:MPAA (3, Informative)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515405)

Copyrights are internationally honoured. Unless you're in one of the few countries that hasn't signed the international treaties on copyright then you are bound by US copyright just as much as you are bound by Japanese copyright.

download anime meaning Fansubs (1)

infonography (566403) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515446)

The fansub community have tacid approval from the anime producers because of self imposed policies.

1. They make it clear that it's not an official version.

2. They ask that the file be deleted once a US/English version is available

3. And most important they generate interest in the titles that the producers can point to and say 'hey look at how popular that anime is on the fansub nets, we should be able to make a killing in the regular market!'

Re:MPAA (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515480)

Ah, the olde fansub argument. Actually, it's not legal. There's a treaty, Japan and the U.S. signed it... Berne I think is the name. Anyway, maybe you've noticed the Japanese companies are starting to take offense to fansubs? Because it's becoming increasingly obvious that fansubs are hurting sales a lot, and the U.S. anime companies aren't exactly rolling in dough. The U.S. anime companies would do more about fansubs, but they really don't like to piss off the fans, even though the companies are hurting because of it.

Sure, the fansubs make for free marketing, but when the fansubs of a series stops and the sales of the legit release suddenly go up for the non-fansubbed episodes, it looks really bad for the people saying "Oh, but I always replace fansubs with the real thing". And since a large chunk of anime budgets come from the U.S. licensing, well... I hoped you enjoyed the decent animation quality while it lasted. Time to go back to the slideshows of the 90's or the badly warped amaturish animation of the 80's and before.

Oh yeah, no more experimental stuff like Kino's Journey, which was largely funded by a U.S. studio that just wanted something different.

Of course, I'm sure you're one of the ones that really is buying everything you download. Someone is, right?

Re:MPAA (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515545)

Using a legal loophole, to varying states of gray-market, in Canada, it was/is legal to pirate US satelite signals, since they are not licensed for distribution in Canada. You can't steal something that you cannot even legally pay for.

Actually that's the ruling about time shifting. (3, Interesting)

infonography (566403) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515389)

However, if the sites in question are not holding the actual torrents, then they should be able to claim to be news organizations. Being a 'News Organization" is open to massive abuses. Look at Jeff Gannon. Still I wish them luck.

Re:Actually that's the ruling about time shifting. (3, Interesting)

Aerion (705544) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515427)

ShunTV and BTEfnet both held their own .torrent files.

I hope for the sake of their users they "lost" all their logs.

Re:Actually that's the ruling about time shifting. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515475)

Very few trackers (especially on the scale of btefnet) are even capable of keeping logs. You have to understand that they deal with an obscene amount of requests.

The average client announces once every ten minutes or so. Considering that btefnet has around one million active peers at any given time, that means that there are about ~1500 announces per second.

While this is fine for actually returning peers, any sort of disk I/O logging is simply impossible.

And a site of that size can't keep apache logs for more than 24 hours or so without erasing them due to disk space issues. In short, don't worry about it.

Yikes! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515393)

I hope they don't find out I'm a fan of the Gilmore Girls

True story (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515398)

So, my mom calls me in a panic the other day. My dad forgot to record one of her favorite shows, and it was the series finale, and she really wanted to watch it.

What are her options? Hope they repeat it in a few months, buy it on DVD in a few years, or maybe locate someone who has a copy? All of these options are pretty iffy.

I have another choice, though: Break the law downloading it to make my mom happy. Why can't the TV people sell it for download themselves so my mom can be happy legally?

(Insert the "your mom" jokes below.)

Re:True story (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515458)

OK. I inserted your mom the other day.

Re:True story (-1, Offtopic)

EvilCabbage (589836) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515459)

(Insert the "your mom" jokes below.)

You don't want to know what I insert into your mother.

Re:True story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515506)

Because they don't care about your mom.

They care about making money.

Re:True story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515536)

And they can get my mom's money if they're willing to sell her the show.

Re:True story (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515577)

Yeah, and then the people they give it to will strip the ads out and distribute it to everyone else without ads and they'll have to chase these people around even more than they are having to do now. Of course, what would be perfect would be if the TV companies actually put some effort into figuring out what kind of products I like, and advertising those products to me. If they included a link to the website in the film I'd happily click on it and consider buying the product. Of course, that actually takes some sort of creativity.

Yeah right. (5, Insightful)

Poietes (753035) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515401)

They should be thanking us for taking their garbage out. How many quality TV shows are there? How many really? One in every hundred?

Most TV Shows these days are advertisements anyway. They don't want us to distribute ads?

idiots (3, Interesting)

aendeuryu (844048) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515407)

I downloaded the latest Apprentice because I missed it. I'm in Korea with no VCR and I was out of town that night. How the hell else am I going to watch their show? They DO want people to watch their shows, right?

Just another example of these people dropping the ball and trying to fight technology. Hell, if they were smart, they'd offer their own shows with commercials for download. If they came up with a system that was as fast and easy as bt which had commercials, and maybe even more reliable, I'd probably get that version and watch the damn commercials anyway, or at least, pay as much attention to the commercials as I would if it was a regular broadcast.

But instead, these guys are like creationists, dragging us kicking and screaming back into technologically backwards times when we've already gotten a taste of enlightenment. Good luck with that. Idiots.

Re:idiots (5, Insightful)

EvilCabbage (589836) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515477)

"They DO want people to watch their shows, right?"

No, they want people to watch the adverts that come with the show, buy the associated lunchboxes, CD singles, T-shirts and beer holding hats.

TV shows are really becoming vehicles for product launches. Just take a look at MTV and the Xbox unveiling.
Hell, maybe it's always been that way and I'm only now old enough to appreciate it. When I think back to some of the cartoons I would watch as a small child, they were obviously just 30 minute advertisments for a toy line, same thing we're seeing these days with Pokemon and whatever card collecting cartoon series is big this week.

Re:idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515495)

They DO want people to watch their shows, right?

No... no they don't. They want you to watch the commercials. The TV show is just a mechanism to deliver these commercials to you.

Re:idiots (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515499)

They DO want people to watch their shows, right?

Actually, no, they want people to watch the Ads.

Re:idiots (1)

Aerion (705544) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515558)

I'm only going to see their ads if I watch it live.

I watch my favorite shows live whenever I can because I don't want to wait 3-4 hours to download it. But if I miss the show, I want to be able to download it and watch what I missed. If I can't do that, I lose interest, especially with shows like 24, where continuity is extremely important.

Re:idiots (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515540)

They only want you to watch their show if you pay for it in some way.

* You could pay for cable subscriptions.

* You could watch commercials that come with the show.

* You can buy it on DVD.

Why should they care one whit if you watch their show and they get no revenues for your viewing it?

Understand- I use a lot of TV torrents as well but I'm realistic about the fact that they don't earn money off me.

Re:idiots (1)

Rob Riggs (6418) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515568)

They DO want people to watch their shows, right?

No... (and it's obvious you know this already) they want people to watch the advertisements.

The problem is that the way all of the deals are structured within the entertainment industry (exclusive rights, release schedules), it is very hard to introduce new methods of timely legal content delivery.

Here we go again (2, Interesting)

cecil36 (104730) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515408)

This stuff happens all the time. I'm sure that people are still using VHS tapes to record their favorite shows and loaning the tape out to their friends. Heck, if I knew that I was going to miss **insert random TV show here** on a given night and my wife wanted to record something that aired on the same night at the same time on a different channel, heck, I'd find a friend of mine who would either record onto tape or DVR the show and give me the copy on tape or DVD. When will the **AA farknuts learn?

Re:Here we go again (4, Interesting)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515464)

Wow, that argument follows as much as the conversation between Bart and his one time employer, Fat Tony.

"Is it wrong to steal bread if your family is starving?"
"No, I don't guess so."

"And if you have a large family, is it wrong to steal a truckload of bread?"
"No"

"And say your family don't like bread. Say they like cigarettes. Is it wrong to steal a truckload of cigarettes?"
"Hell no!"


Fair use is the worst thing that ever happened with copyright law. If people didn't have a way to weasle out from under the jackboots of copyright we'd have had the revolution a long time ago.

Fair Use (5, Insightful)

MyNymWasTaken (879908) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515426)

Apparently it is OK to record TV as long as your aren't sharing it.

uhmmm... Yeah. That is what the whole debate over fair use, and backup copies is about.

It's okay for me to use it for my own personal pleasure, but it isn't alright to rebroadcast it to the world.

And we wonder why every mass-market electronic media outlet is DRM'ed to the gills.

Re:Fair Use (1)

oirtemed (849229) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515581)

And we wonder why every mass-market electronic media outlet is DRM'ed to the gills. Because they are greedy and copyright, DMCA does not serve the interest of the people?

Damn! (2, Funny)

EvilCabbage (589836) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515439)

And just before the series finale of "Lost" too ;) We're not even halfway through the first season screening down under, and I have a crack-like addiction to the series. It's shameful, I know, but some primal part of me really digs the idea of being stuck on an island with Maggie Grace [go.com]

Re:Damn! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515538)

well...its your fault. If you hadn't downloaded the episodes to begin with, you wouldn't feel stuck behind with only the first half of the season being aired...if you had sustained from downloading, you would be watching new episodes each week on aussie tv intently, as people in the US were doing months ago....you caused your own problem.

waaaaaaa (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515445)

your cutting into our way-f'n-overpriced dvd boxset profits

Rampant Piracy == Business Opportunity (5, Insightful)

Mazem (789015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515453)

Clearly there is rampant downloading of TV shows. Although the big companies are having a hissy fit about it, to me it is a sign that there is a huge untapped market, much in the same way as the napster phenomenon was indicative of a market for legal downloading mp3's (which iTunes took advantage of). All they have to do is this:

1: Offer fast TV downloads for free, or offer legal torrents.

2: Include the advertisements in the shows, and track how many people download them.

3: Profit!!!

ALL "Piracy" == Business Opportunity (1)

argoff (142580) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515566)

1: Offer fast TV downloads for free, or offer legal torrents.

2: Include the advertisements in the shows, and track how many people download them.

3: Profit!!!

The problem with this theory is that it assumes that the *AA are pro business. They are not, they do not want business opportunity, what they want is business monopoly granted to them by the government in the form of copyrights, with infinite force behind them.

The truth and the problem is that copyrights are not free market. If the government gave Ford a monopoly on making cars, because they don't have an "incentive" to make them unless they could lock out everyone else - most people would see this as interference in free markets and overbearing government regulation.

Well that is exactly the problem with copyright distribution monopolies. They are more like a massive overbearing government regulation on how people can share information than a "intellectual" property right. Here, the word "property" is just a label to hide unjust coercion of people, and has nothing to do with real property at all.

ShunTV DEAD - One Down, 5 to Go (1)

ThatsNotFunny (775189) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515460)

ShunTV has been taken down, the home page now links to a PDF from the MPAA.

Forgive my language, but those MPAA motherfuckers!

Share! (4, Funny)

jamienk (62492) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515478)

I share. That cool guy over there shares. That hot chick, she shares too! Doctors share. Artists share. Judges share. Priests, milkmaids, garbagemen, executives, teachers, uncles, mailmen -- they all share. Old and young, smart and dumb (dumb, but nice!), people with good taste and people with conventional likes and dislikes; Chinese and Amsterdamish, Black, Brown, Yelllow and Red, Whites too; young girls (giggling), pippled-faced boys, pregnant women, bearded professors -- they ALL share!

Isn't it about time you shared too?

Have a nice day -- AND SHARE!!! :)

Really? (2, Insightful)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515487)

Apparently it is OK to record TV as long as your aren't sharing it.

Yeah, that would be the whole "for private home exhibitation only" clause you saw scroll by when watching rented movies. :rolleyes:

Really, would the fact you are distributing the program for free interfere with the studio's business of selling the series on DVD? I wonder...

Duh? (4, Insightful)

Josuah (26407) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515494)

Apparently it is OK to record TV as long as your aren't sharing it.

Duh? Television shows are still copyrighted material. Distribution is not your right after recording it. Fair use only applies to personal use of the recorded show.

Hasn't it always been this way? (1)

comwiz56 (447651) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515520)

Apparently it is OK to record TV as long as your aren't sharing it.

When has it not been this way?
Recording something you can legally watch = fair use rights
Sharing copyrighted works = copyright infringement

To be fair (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515531)

Apparently it is OK to record TV as long as your aren't sharing it

Well, to be fair, that is the law.

Silly TV companies (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12515532)

Being that TV show downloads have been available for quite a while I just want to know:

Is their any reason to believe that these downloads are causing people to watch any less TV?

Being that TV show downloads predate DVD sales of TV series do the Companies have any proof that downloads affect their sales?

Seriously, the average person downloads a TV show because they either missed the episode (or liked the episode enough to want to see it again) and aren't willing to wait months for the season to be over to see their episode (or the years until a DVD is available for sale).

Fair Featured Friends (2)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515555)

Of course it's legally OK to record TV for your own consumption - that's a fair use of the copy you were given by the copyright holder. It will be good news when the copyright holders associations (primarily the MPAA and RIAA) acknowledge that fact explicitly. Especially now that their (MGM's, really) lawyers have acknowledged it in their Supreme Court arguments.

And it's not legal to make a copy beyond that use. The right to copy is what "copyright" restricts to its owner. However, there are other fair uses of personal copies that should be protected in some online sharing that is exactly like in-person sharing. Our right to bring a record to a party, and listen to it with friends (and friends of friends), is protected. As is our right to loan our copy to a friend. If one of those friends makes a copy while they have temporary access during a protected sharing transaction, that copy is illegal - the unauthorized copier is breaking copyright law.

Those scenarios are fair not because of any feature of the physical copy, or the physical proximity of the friends. Rather, their recognized fairness is in recognition of the ancient tradition of friends sharing music, which the recent "temporary" artificial monopoly created by copyright didn't dare infringe. So our right to share music that way, in a shared simultaneous experience with friends, should be protected. If we're both tuned into a simultaneous stream of my music, that's fair use that's new only in the "space-shifting" feature, which doesn't define the sharing experience. The sooner we get the traditional fair use boundaries defined in terms of new technologies, the sooner we'll all be enjoying those familiar scenarios using the newer, freer media. And the sooner copyright owners will be reaching modern markets which want to use their material fairly.

Don't panic (1)

Bullfish (858648) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515560)

This reminds me entirely of napster and lokitorrent. It changed nothing. While annoying, this is as dumb as shooting one guy out of 1000 charging over a hill and declaring victory.

recording for own use ok, distributing not??? WOW (1)

atarione (601740) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515561)

WOW... and in other news, it's ok to make a fire... as long as you don't make it out of your neighbor's house. However seriously what on TV is worth recording??? My g/f has us set up w/ the mondo cable package at 99.8% of the stuff on TV is just crap. The only thing I went out of my way to watch in the last 6mos was the Battlestar Galactica a series.

Solution (1)

blueadept1 (844312) | more than 9 years ago | (#12515574)

So their problem is advertising is getting cut out, right? Why not take advantage of other advertising mediums such as product placement? It has taken off in movies such as Minority Report and The Matrix series, why not more in TV?

As well, this way they can cram more crap into their stations, as each TV show will take up 16 minutes less per hour (That's 6.4 more hours per day to insert infomercials and other garbage tv shows).
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