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The Xbox 360 Unveiled

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the i-have-to-write-xbox-360-for-the-next-five-years dept.

XBox (Games) 675

You may or may not have caught the Xbox 360 unveiling on MTV Thursday night, but the internet will provide. A plethora of sites have photos, videos, commentary, specifications, and interviews about the new system. Your fellow readers have pulled together to provide links to:, Joystiq, Gamespot, The BBC, CNN, NYT, Gamespy, Team Xbox, Voodoo Extreme, Anandtech, and eToyChest. The official Xbox 360 site opened last night as well for word straight from the source. For more official images has been 'solved', and now features an OurColony specific video preview. Finally, for commentary on the event, the Video Game Ombudsman provides an alternative to the press releases. From the post: "Kyle Orland (9:28:42 PM): The future of gaming is a girl in a blue dress? Dan Dormer (9:28:47 PM): The future of gaming is a girl with a bag? Kyle Orland (9:28:57 PM): She's the Xbox! OMG!"

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Who is drivin? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518544)

Bear is Driving!
How can that be (first post)?

Re:Who is drivin? (-1, Offtopic)

slaker (53818) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518745)

Apparently mods do not understand the genuis of the Clerks Animated Series. :(

But. (3, Interesting)

Bananatree3 (872975) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518549)

Will it run Linux [] ?

Seriously, I would really love to see Tux scream on this thing!

Re:But. (3, Funny)

BeyondALL (248414) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518575)

But, another interesting question: Will it Run Longhorn? The spec is quite good, and it would be nice to have a full OS for all my multimedia needs..

Re:But.- PC Next (1)

aacool (700143) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518624)

This could be called "PC Next" - see this review of the XBox 360 [] for some notes I hope PC Gaming prices drop

Will ANYTHING ever run Longhorn... (1)

crovira (10242) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518669)

Its got some sweet specs (better than my PC.) But I wonder about the compatibility with an x86 architecture.

(Then again, maybe M$ will escape the x86 arch. [Haaaa!!!!])

Re:But.I have a better idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518623)

What I want to know is, if we can get Linux to run on it, can we get Mac OSX to run on it using Mac-on-Linux? Obviously Mac OSX isn't going to run by itself, but Linux can surely be made to run on the Xbox 360's PowerPC processors, and then allow Mac OSX to run on that, kinda like how that one person loded Debian on an m68k and then got Mac OSX running on top of that.

Re:But. (-1, Offtopic)

woah (781250) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518650)

Maybe, but it will run OS/360 []

This is just as well, I would really love to see those old COBOL apps scream on this thing!

(Note, this is a joke)

Re:But. (2, Interesting)

skyshock21 (764958) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518671)

If it does run Linux, I'd wager to say the graphics will suffer immensely as there doesn't seem to be adequate driver support for ATI graphics products on Linux. Oh sure, there's some that give you video, just not nearly as efficiently as the Catalyst drivers (or Omega drivers!) for the win32 platform.

Re:But. (1)

astrojetsonjr (601602) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518679)

The hardware specs and comment from Microsoft say it will do about a Teraflop. Not to start the "cluster of these with hot grits" thread, but a few of them at $300 (US) a pop could make a very nice render farm.

In the past Microsoft has gone out of their way to lock the hardware down, my guess is that they've sunk some effort and brain power into doing that again. I'm sure that there are some modders out there that can get around it, but it might take some time.

I'm looking at building my own MythTV setup, but in a pound for pound first look (based only on the articles), this may make a good choice. On the other hand it will be interesting to see what Sony counters with.

PowerPC CPU? (2, Interesting)

skrysakj (32108) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518554)

Maybe this is why Apple wasn't able to sell machines with a CPU
faster than 3.0 Ghz. Microsoft had made a deal with IBM to buy them, leaving
Apple to wait? Can anyone confirm or deny this? How "custom" were these
CPUs? Were they so custom that they did not effect the supply of G5's to Apple?

Re:PowerPC CPU? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518628)

How "custom" were these CPUs?

The Apple spec G5's have 512k L2 cache. I would assume the Xbox 360 version will probably have half that amount which would make the chips cheaper to produce.

Vaporware (1)

Per Abrahamsen (1397) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518663)

They hope to sell the box before christmas... It is still quite possible that you will be able to buy machines with CPU's faster than 3.0 GHz from Apple before you can buy them from Microsoft.

Re:PowerPC CPU? (2, Informative)

TummyX (84871) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518699)

From the article:

The heart of the system itself is made up of a custom-designed IBM PowerPC-based CPU with 3 symmetrical cores crunching data at 3.2GHz each (for a total of 6 hardware threads) at any one time.

Re:PowerPC CPU? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518712)

The presumption is that the XBox CPUs are simpler and not as capable as G5s.

Re:PowerPC CPU? (3, Interesting)

stilltron (876042) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518742)

How can MS put this much PowerPC processing power in such a small formfactor? Is MS banking on IBM being able to produce these chips at a smaller nanometer process by the release date (is the xBox360 vaporware?). Is seems like Apple is having problems putting out a machine three times the size with 2/3 the processing power without using a liquid cooling solution. There has to be more to the story.

Re:PowerPC CPU? (4, Insightful)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518784)

Microsoft can garuntee that it will buy x amount of these processors for this thing over the course of its life. Apple can garuntee that it can buy y amount of these processors and constantly stop buying as much as they move up to higher and higher specs as time passes. Now the kicker, Microsoft's x is bigger than Apple's y. Much bigger.

GOATSE goatse GOATSE goatse GOATSE goatse GOATSE g (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518558)

What I don't understand about most linux users is the "do it for yourself" ideology -- why would I want to put in the time and effort to make an application work (or even to write one myself) when there is a host of closed source alternatives that just work, provided by world leaders such as Microsoft? It's not a laziness thing, I grew up on a farm and now hold a PhD in molecular biology so I am no slouch when it comes to physical or mental work. When it comes down to whether I can pay for a program that denies me access to the source code, but does its job well or an open source alternative coded by the guy with a hairy back who lives in a basement down the street, I believe it is better to pay for the quality product than get something inferior for free and have to tweak it endlessly in order to get a satisfactory result. Worse still is removing the "personal touches" put into most software of this type. If I suggest something to my boss that contains such choice phrases in the code as "Free Mitnick" (whom I believe to be an incarcerated cyber-terrorist, but feel free to correct me) or "Fuck Bush" (many open-saucers are violent liberalists) my job would be about as secure as a typical linux webserver. This isn't even taking into account the names of the applications themselves: The Gimp (I'm sorry? BDSM on my PC? No thank you.), Felchmale (I think this is a homosexual sex act) and Mencoder (can women use it too?) all come to mind. What it comes down to at the end of the day is experience. Experience from the coders, marketers, tech support people who are all paid to to their jobs and do them well. Would you want a handjob from a 12 year old prostitute? Even if it was free, would you still take the awkward jerkings of a preteen over a $50 squeeze from a professional? That is how I see this whole debate. Your dick ends up covered in jism at the end, but there is one hell of a difference in the route you took to get there. Of course, some will always prefer the inferior route, in the handjob realm as well as software. In the former situation we call these people paedophiles. What is so different about the second group?

For the Trolls (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518559)

The following is being offered free of charge to all those who feel the need to troll the Slashdot Games section. Please print out a copy and keep it with you at all times. If you follow these simple steps, you trolling is guaranteed to improve.

1. If a game is currently on PS2 and there are plans to bring it out on the Xbox, make sure to claim that no one will want to play that game by the time it gets to the Xbox. For example, by the time Virtua Fighter 4/GTA3 comes to the Xbox, we'll all be playing something new.
2. Use the reverse logic if it is a game only on the Xbox that may be ported to other systems/PC later. Case in point, Halo. Say something to the effect of "I'll wait for the true version of Halo on the PC". "It will be much better than the Xbox version".
3. Constantly complain about FPS on consoles ACCEPT for Goldeneye.
4. Always use Bill Gates name. Act as if he is the one making the games.
By all means, if you run out of clever or interesting things to troll about, just bring up Mr Gates. Lots of people hate him and will be glad to agree with you.
5. Complain about the XBox controller. Even if you have never seen or used it, it won't matter. People will believe you when you say it's big. Be sure and try to provide a testimonial about your wife or girlfriend or kid who complains about the size of it. Also claiming to be injured by the controller can be the foundation of a great troll post.
6. When referring to the Xbox, try to scew the name a bit. Xblox, eggs bocks, the stupider the name, the more favorable of a response you will get.
7. Be sure and mention Japanese and European sales numbers. If you aren't sure what those sales numbers are, go ahead and make something up. Estimate low, most people will believe you.
8. Although Xbox owners seem to enjoy there games, make sure to comment on Xbox not having any games with good gameplay. Although the Xbox does share some ports with PS2 and Gamecube, it's okay to assume that the Xbox version of those ports has poor gameplay as well.
9. Since the Xbox has nice graphics, be sure and find a way to put a negative spin on this. Using the age old formula that states if a game has nice graphics, it must have terrible gameplay, you can convince people that Xbox games are all tech demos.
10. Defective Xbox stories are excellent to use in trolling. The best part is that they require no proof. I find that "the screen just froze up" works great. Occasionally you can use something really bizarre like "My friend bought an Xbox and it caught on fire and burned down there house. Now they are homeless. F*** Bill Gates."
11. When all else fails, lie. There are lots of people who will agree with you just because they hate MS

Re:For the Trolls (1, Funny)

Alizarin Erythrosin (457981) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518610)

6. When referring to the Xbox, try to scew the name a bit. Xblox, eggs bocks, the stupider the name, the more favorable of a response you will get.

I would also suggest calling it the "suXbox"

Re:For the Trolls (4, Funny)

Tx (96709) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518615)

People will believe you when you say it's big. Be sure and try to provide a testimonial about your wife or girlfriend or kid who complains about the size of it.

That's just sick dude, leave the kids out of it ;-).

Re:For the Trolls (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518617)

"ACCEPT for Goldeneye"? Are you from Boston or just some kind of retard?

Re:For the Trolls (4, Funny)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518645)

He's offering something for the grammar trolls as well.

Re:For the Trolls (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518743)

"ACCEPT for Goldeneye"? Are you from Boston or just some kind of retard?

Isn't that a redundant question? Shouldn't it be more like "Are you from Boston or from some other place that has retards?"

Re:For the Trolls (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518637)

I bought an Xblox the other day, and I wish I hadn't. I guess the poor sales number should have warned me (since they only sold 3000 EggsBlockses in Europe, and 12 in Japan). I don't know what Bill Gates was thinking when he designed the controller, but it really hurts my hands. It's way too big!

I was playing a game with it once, and it started vibrating, jumped right out of my hands, and severely wounded a small child. Also, it's strained my fingers so much, I'm starting to have problems 'viewing' my Natalie Portman image collection! I'm going to sue Bill Gates!
Sure, some of the games may have nice graphics, but the gameplay is absolutely shocking. I tried to play Halo, but it's nothing but a tech demo!

You may not believe this, but it's actually impossible to shoot! I played for five minutes, and couldn't kill anything at all, so I took the game back to the shop. It has nothing on Goldeneye. I'm going to wait for the PC version, which should be much better.

Also, my son really wanted me to buy a console, so that he could play GTA3, so imagine my surprise when I found out it was not yet released on the Xbox! You're a nigger. He had to undergo therapy for several weeks - but I'll get the money back from Bill Gates when I sue him.

I'm going to sell my XSocks on Ebay now. It'll probably cost me a lot in shipping, because it's really heavy. Bill Gates designed it that way, because he likes to hit immigrants over the head with his. I'll never buy another M$ product!"

Re:For the Trolls (1)

Bombah (572185) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518658)

Golden Eye on the suXBox was a horrible game, I can't understand why Bill Gates came with this game, I think I'll wait for the NES version to appear, it has to be much better, at least the NES has better controller that don't injure your hands when trying to get through Halo's non-gameplay before it freezes. I think teh suXBox must have sold about -100 units over here, just because its from MICROSOFT.

Seriously, I have an XBox, and haven't run anything except XBMC on it the last three months, and bought a Gameboy for games, and still feel sorry about trading in my PS2.

Re:For the Trolls (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518659)

Ok, here we go:

Bill Gates' Eggs Box has already been out in Japan for a while (but no GTA3!) and it bombed, mostly because the frame rate on the crap games is horrible (when it doesn't green screen) and you need Andre the Giant sized hands to use the controller.

Re:For the Trolls (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518721)

..and if you follow these simple steps, your spelling is guaranteed to improve. ;)

30 minutes? (4, Funny)

RasendeRutje (829555) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518560)

Jeez, a 30 minutes show, and no information at all, (except its uglyness and stupid name...)
... oh wait... its MTV what else could you expect?

Re:30 minutes? (5, Funny)

mattmentecky (799199) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518570)

Jeez, a 30 minutes show, and no information at all, (except its uglyness and stupid name...)

Hey don't talk about the Ashlee Simpson show like that, she has feelings too ya know! ;)

Re:30 minutes? (0)

Sandbox Conspiracy (836255) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518597)

Uh, Carmen Electra dancing topless next to it? Zing!

Re:30 minutes? Actually its an infomercial. (1)

guidryp (702488) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518616)

An informercial made to look like MTV. Note that there were no disclaimers stating this was advertising. It was not microsoft present xbox, it was MTV presents xbox.

Re:30 minutes? Actually its an infomercial. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518641)

The entire premise of MTV is to show informercials (aka music videos).

Least... Informative... Site... Ever... (1)

Da Fokka (94074) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518562)

Maybe the US version is more elaborate but the Dutch site sports some pictures of the XBox 360 amd its controller plus an invitation to become a member of the XBox 360 community.

Once every now and then the Slashdot writeup is actually more informative than TFA. This is one of those times.

Re:Least... Informative... Site... Ever... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518739)

There's just as little information on the US site.

Re:Least... Informative... Site... Ever... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518749)

The US version is no more elaborate.

Backward compat (5, Interesting)

bunburyist (664958) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518564)

No where is it written that the next XBox will play current XBox games.

According to the title the Xbox 360 will play current XBox games. No where does the article provide any supporting evidence to this claim, and in fact largely runs counter to it. Nvidia says all but no, an unknown independent analyst agrees, ATI says that it is statistically possible, and some other unknown agrees with them. Microsoft says... Nothing. According to other sources [] Microsoft is "not guaranteeing" backwards compatibility, and if they decide not to include a hard drive such compatibility may not be possible at all.

nVidia may very well be playing to the press, but that doesn't mean such a thing wouldn't be difficult or expensive. Most systems achieve backwards compatibility by finding uses for the extra hardware. Software emulation for compatibility has never been attempted professionally in the console arena, but amature software emulation tends to lag two systems behind. You can push an XBox to do a meaningful SNES, but Dreamcast emulation is right out. With the right software the SNES could emulate the 2600, but not the NES.

Personally, I don't see why they don't just include a detachable Xbox chipset as a free add-on with an overpriced "premium" system with two controllers, and sell a regular setup with one controller for 100 dollars less.

But, as I mentioned before, no such thing has been announced yet.

Re:Backward compat (1)

Daedalus_ (38808) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518612)

What happened to N64?

Re:Backward compat (1)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518767)

It wasn't backwards compatible to the SNES.

Re:Backward compat (4, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518682)

Microsoft is not guaranteeing backwards compatibility so that nobody can hold them to that promise. If they happen to get it to work, they can trumpet it. If they can't, no one can say that they promised it.

Re:Backward compat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518773)

Actually, the way the Xbox architecture works, it could be backwards compatible, as game writers for the Xbox use a programming interface and not the hardware interface directly. This should allow most games to work. Its not a definite, but I would be interested to see, as when the initial Xbox launched, the big hype in the developer world was they could just write the code, let the Xbox API handle the hardware communication. How many did this? I have no clue.

Re:Backward compat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518781)

Uh, not having a hard-drive won't really be the main problem.

The Xbox 360 uses a completely different processor (PPC) than the Xbox (Intel).

Torrent link to the video (5, Informative)

AIX-Hood (682681) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518569)

Here's a torrent link for the OurColony video: XBOX360Vid.wmv.torrent []

Meh... (1)

slot32 (815657) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518584)

Still no CONFIRMED lauch date, price, confirmation of HD DVD or Blu-Ray (Tell a lie, I think they said NO Next Gen Drive), backwards compatability, region coding, Video connectors - i.e HDMI, DVI, VGA , if a HDD is *standard* on all the consoles or optional, summaries on the various models that are supposedly going to be released, AND number of units on launch for each reigion (USA, Europe, Japan Etc).

But we got lots of pretty pictures and infomation that we can change the facia of the console... Whoopie doo!

Re:Meh... (1)

wvitXpert (769356) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518714)

VGA output is what I'm really hoping for. I don't have an HDTV, so my computer monitor is the only way I'd be able to really get alot out of the Xbox 360.

controller (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518586)

I like the fact that M$ hasn't listen to anyone in the design, and kept the controller the size of a small nation...

Sweet! (5, Insightful)

republican gourd (879711) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518588)

Nothing like 6 months to a year of lead-time to make yourself the next Dreamcast.

Why this strategy from MS? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518589)

The specs look amazing but I have to ask:

Why is Microsoft making it difficult to write games that run on both PC (Windows XP) and XBox 360?

One of the primary reasons I use Windows is for games. If game developers stop writing for Windows because they move to XBox 360, then it'll make it even easier for me to go all FreeBSD or Linux or Mac OSX.

Wouldn't it have been easier for XBox 360 to have a Windows XP or Windows Mobile 2005 foundation with just a custom explorer interface to make it look less-PC?

Re:Why this strategy from MS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518725)

One of the primary reasons I use Windows is for games. If game developers stop writing for Windows because they move to XBox 360, then it'll make it even easier for me to go all FreeBSD or Linux or Mac OSX.

Posting anonymously for obvious reasons.

Simply put, games are not our strategy for the PC. The way we see it, in five years the PC will mostly be relegated to unwashed hobbyists; and the mainstream user will getting their music from an ipod like device (we have several ipod killers in various stages of development and testing) and their entertainment from media centers and our gaming console.

In short, people won't flock to Linux from XP; they'll flock from the PC to one of our specialty devices.

Re:Why this strategy from MS? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518768)

I think you have missed a few presentations where Microsoft has said they are building their tool sets to make it EASIER to build games on both platforms.

Wow... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518591)

Can't wait to not buy one.

Re:Wow... (1, Funny)

Marthisdil (606679) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518710)

Me too - you not buying one will make it easier for me to buy 3 of them the day they come out :)

Re:Wow... (1)

Stonewolf57 (833593) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518766)

Lol, I don't think you'll have a problem. Bring enough cash and you'll probably be able to be able to buy them all, and make stocking them actually worth it for the store. Here's for another designated Microsoft crapshoot.

Power-PC (1)

nashy-nunu (860418) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518592)

Whatever happened to Pentium? Dude, I think I am getting an Apple. [Not siriously I think I am]

And this goes with ??? (-1, Troll)

crovira (10242) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518595)

Well I hope Mr Gates is proud of himself.

I think that anyone will notice this box and immediately notice that it doesn't fit in with any decor or that those 'self contained' curves resist any attempt to fit it into any environment.

This will be noticed for years. Not necessarily a good thing. It may be noticed as an obstruction.

Overall, I wouldn't own one becauses it clashes with the decor. Then again, I wouldn't own one in the first place.

Its HUUUUGE too .. (1)

torpor (458) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518733)

... and not in a 'good huge' way, but definitely in a 'this was designed by a fat American slob in Arkansas' kind of way.

fer sure i won't be getting one.

Re:And this goes with ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518737)

it's amazing to me that disks work at all. SCORE +3 QUEER EYE

But seriiously since when have any game consoles looked that great. Buy for functionality not looks. Buy it for the games.

Re:And this goes with ??? (2, Funny)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518760)

... and we all know that gamers are statistically savvy about things like home decor.

Re:And this goes with ??? (1)

shepuk (588339) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518779)

And to think, it was only a couple of days ago [] that folks in these parts were arguing that only 12 year old girls would care about the range of customizable face available to change the look of the xbox 360....

I'm somehow reminded of the golgafrinchams [] , who had problems with the invention of the wheel because they couldn't decide what colour it should be...

Looks Well (4, Funny)

CleverNickedName (644160) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518602)

Sleek, curvaceous, white exterior with no messy wires?

They should have called it "iBox".

Re:Looks Well (2, Funny)

Alizarin Erythrosin (457981) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518635)

But why does it look strikingly similar to a white version of the Dell desktop I have sitting here on my desk at work?

Why white? (1)

Powertrip (702807) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518606)

What's with the XBOX black becoming iPod white? Aren't there enough other choices?

Does it run old X-Box games? (4, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518607)

It had better, or it's going to have serious problems convincing people to use it.

Aside from that, if the BBC site is correct, it seems that device is not a digital media hub at all. It seems rather stupid (to say the least) that they didn't think to make the thing a PVR. The last generation of boxes had the excuse, but a PVR / media station is almost an expectation of something which expects to occupy a permenant space by the TV.

Still, it'll be interesting to see what Sony produce. If they have sense, they will make it a PVR, and a media jukebox, and a kickass console with backwards compatibility. If it can do all those things when the XBox can't then I don't see they have much to worry about. Better yet if they make it hackable - not so hackable that people can easily pirate games but just enough that people can play around with the box and produce cool things for it.

Re:Does it run old X-Box games? (1)

slot32 (815657) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518678)

Regarding making it a PVR, I suspect the problem lies in not being able to record programs AND play games at the same time leading to it's exclusion... Imagine being a developer and having to cap proc utilisation 'just in case the player is recording Suvivor while (s)he's playing' (Which is entirely possible). However, maybe the Sony have an answer? Have to wait and see...

Re:Does it run old X-Box games? (1)

Marthisdil (606679) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518780)

not so hackable that people can easily pirate games but just enough that people can play around with the box and produce cool things for it.

You mean, like, so you can pirate games and not pay for them, right? Hehe

emulation (1)

musikit (716987) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518614)

so if someone writes an xbox 360 emulator for the PC and i'm running it though Virtual PC on Mac how much slower can i expect it to be?

Re:emulation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518777)

Easy! Since it's on a Mac, it will run better! Right?

xbox 360 design...uninspired (4, Interesting)

distantbody (852269) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518619)

The designers were very motivated, but they lacked the tallent and high standards to make something truly visually exceptional. The design concept: "inhaling", this sounds like a high school design project. I cant knock them on the hardware front, but its just very visually uninspired (perhaps to motivate clip-on-cover sales?). The consoles exterior belies its future sigificance, which is a bit disappointing. Have a squiz at Inhabitat [] for a look at the future of design.

On a different note, congratulations to the xbox 360 marketing team, who pulled out all the stops: constant "leaks" heading up to the launch, the first next-gen console shown off, launched on TV, by a pop show, and by celeberities! Not to mention the whole colony buisness. Full marks Microsoft marketing team.

Complete waste (1)

ThePolkapunk (826529) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518631)

The XBOX special provided almost no new information about the XBOX. They still haven't announced a release date, they still haven't confirmed or denied backwards compatability, and there's still no mention of the price. Why couldn't they give us information instead of a stupid Gen-X hype machine?

Massive processor, not much for graphics though. (3, Informative)

skyshock21 (764958) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518633)

- IMB PowerPC based CPU with three cores at 3.2 Ghz apiece (...dang!)
- 500Mhz ATI graphics processor with 10MB DRAM
- Detachable, upgradeable 20GB hard drives
- Three USB 2.0 ports
- Built-in Ethernet port
- Built-in 802.11a, b, and g Wi-Fi
- All games support16:9 widescreen, 720p and 1080i resolution (and standard definition output)
- 48Khz 16-bit audio, 32-bit processing and over 256 audio channels

Re:Massive processor, not much for graphics though (1)

rpozz (249652) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518753)

All for $300?

Take a look at this (no, I'm not an Apple fanboy): []

It costs an arm and a leg, and requires some seriously powerful cooling. Now compare to the XBox 360. How the hell are they going to get that lot into a case that small, and cool it properly?

Good start (5, Interesting)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518636)

So far, the specs look pretty good. MS is probably allowing it to be a DVD player out of the box without the annoying "remote control must be there". Surprisingly, it still looks pretty modible - you know that people will be dying to make it into a Linux box first chance they get (and with a removable hard drive, even easier to switch between systems and use those USB peripherals), so we'll have to see what anti-mod abilities it includes.

The #1 question still is: backwards compatibility. At these specs, there's no reason why a hardware emulator couldn't emulate an older Xbox. And with the Xbox 1 only 4 years old, I believe that backwards compatibility will be a big deal - if not a bigger deal than the other systems. It's the price between $300 - $400 with some games on launch day (of which, if history is a judge from the PS2, Xbox 1, and Gamecube launch, one of those games is worth having, and 6 months afterwards the other "killer apps" show up), or having a good library including the all important Halo 1 and 2.

Enough to make me buy on launch day? No (but then again, with the current 3 consoles I own plus the GBA and PSP, I have too many games anyway), but we'll have to see how it does the next time out. They've fixed a lot of my previous annoyances with the Xbox 1 (the USB system should let me plug in a keyboard to enter in my own music track information - a pain and a half with the Xbox 1 using a controller, and the free basic Live will bring in people who, like myself, are too damn cheap to pay the $60 or so a year to get onto Live, especially considering how little I play online these days. Three kids, wife, blah, blah, blah.)

But it's a good showing. I'll be curious to see how the PS3 and Nintendo Revolution respond. (Psst: Nintendo, DVD movies play out of the box. It's reason #1 why you're tied in second place worldwide with the Xbox.)

boy did it suck! (4, Interesting)

utexaspunk (527541) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518644)

Was I the only one who was completely underwhelmed by the 30 minute commercial with commercials? Every new generation of consoles prior to this has been a big leap forward from the previous one. There was hardly any in-game footage shown, but what I saw looked more evolutionary than revolutionary. What did Perfect Dark Zero have that you can't get on Halo 2 with the HD cables for the Xbox? "Fully destructable objects"? (did anyone else catch that? wtf?)

I have a feeling that Microsoft has screwed up pretty bad with this not being backward compatible- unless they're going to have dual-sytem games, it's going to split their userbase and the developers will not know which unit to design for. People were still releasing games for the PS1 long after the PS2 came out, but they could get away with it because the PS2 was backward compatible.

Here's hoping it's an abysmal flop.

Re:boy did it suck! (2, Insightful)

wvitXpert (769356) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518775)

As you get closer and closer to photo-realism the size of the leaps gets smaller. Think about the amount of time game developers would have to spend just to take full advantage of the graphics (forgetting about gameplay). It could take years to develop games that fully show off the graphics power of the next-gen consoles. All we saw on MTV were early renders of alpha games. I expect them to look a bit better on release, but still you can only get so realistic.

Every game in the Xbox 360 is Live aware... (5, Interesting)

xtracto (837672) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518648)

Well, it seems it the Xbox 360 is the Family All In One multimedia station MS promised it will be...

Unfrotunately, if every game is Live aware, I am affraid developers will tend to concentrate in the Live gameplay while leaving us the poor unfortunate guys that do not have high speed internet or WiFi (does it comes with an ethernet adaptor?) with 1/3 of the "experience"...

I certainly will wait until Nintendo and Playstation release their consoles to make a choice... (as I do not have the money to buy the 3 of them... or even 2)

And the winner is... (3, Insightful)

MosesJones (55544) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518652)

Well lets face it IBM. If XBox 360 wins (anyone noticed that you do 360 to end up back in the same place?) then its IBM processors at the core. If its PS3, then its... IBM processors at the core.

All those box numbers, all that volume, all those cheap servers.

XBox or PS3, doesn't matter as Intel lose.

(But please let it be PS3 that wins as its actually innovative rather than a re-hash of off the shelf stuff and (as ever with MS) no R&D).

controller (-1, Troll)

konttori (883745) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518657)

One thing I just don't get is that while the new consoles seem to mostly favor 1st person games (just look at the launch lineup of the 360), the controller is still mostly intended for 3rd person games. I mean, compare the 1st person experience of mouse and wasd to a gamepad, the pad just sucks so bad you don't want to touch it with a 10 feet long stick. I mean what's the deal with the pad. Shouldn't it be getting a makeover for 1st person games (like a gyromouse or something. Any news on the revolution controller?

Details (4, Informative)

CleverNickedName (644160) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518665)

From the BBC [] :

- CPU with three IBM PowerPC 3.2Ghz cores
- ATI 500MHz graphics processor
- 48 billion shader operations per second
- 512Mb GDDR3 RAM of memory
- Removable and upgradeable 20Gb hard drive
- Three USB ports
- Windows Media Extender built-in
- Support for DVD-video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD+R, CD-DA, CD-R, WMA CD, MP3 CD, Jpeg photo CD

Guess what a friend of mine just got in the mail (2, Interesting)

Nicolasd (875160) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518668)

A nice commercial DVD about the Xbox from MS (btw he's the webmaster of an Xbox site here in Belgium) and just to make sure that he can play the DVD... MS kindly provided a Samung portable DVD player... and after that we'll all wonder why the Xbox gets good reviews...

Did anybody else waste time watching that show? (1)

Stu L Tissimus (873928) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518684)

I was really, truly about to rip my brain out and smash it against the TV. I mean, they had a special called "Pimp My Xbox." Wow! You can paint your Xbox! AMAZING! And how the hell do they expect to keep this machine under $300? It has 3 (Yes, three) PowerPC chips, each running at 3.2GHz, inside its' case. Not only that, it has a 20GB hard drive, and a next-generation ATi card that uses those dynamic pipeline things. I mean, jesus, a Radeon X850 nowadays is $400 by itself or so... End Nintendo fanboyism.

MTV Special (2, Interesting)

Deathlizard (115856) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518687)

Whoa! I actually felt the 30 Minutes of my life pull from my body after watching that. I don't know which is worse, That Show, The VGA's or G4.

The 360 definetly looks a little better when there's people standing next to it so you can get a idea what the size of it is. I'm also intreged by the Phantom sounding Marketplace that they talked little about. That's about all you got out of the "Pimp My Crap band and gamers you never heard of with Frodo Baggins and oh. Here's the Xbox 360 show"

Perfect Dark Zero better be in an alpha state, because I've seen Better Graphics in Quake II. And the frame rate it appeared to be getting in the "competition" was worse than what the N64 Perfect Dark used to get. It had to be somewhere around 2-5FPS (which is probably why they kept the camera's off the screens as much as possible). The other previews for games looked promising. Specificially the Project Gotham and the game that kinda had beefed up Doom III Graphics (missed the name).

The preview in five minutes gave more infomation about the XBox 360 then the entire 30 minutes on MTV. Frankly the power that is in this thing, especially considering it's size, is staggering. 1TFLOPS of processing power (if that number is true) is nothing to sneeze at. Especially when you start imagining a Beowulf Cluster of these and just 100 of them have a good chance of getting you ranked in the top500 list.

more disappointment from Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518690)

They didn't even get into any details of the Xbox 360. Most likely they have good reason. So far it looks like another disappointment by Microsoft. I can't wait to get my hands on the PS3.

PLAYSTATION 3 (-1, Troll)

BigAlexK (398239) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518694)

ANYONE who buys an XBox 360 before seeing Playstation 3 live demos is wacko jacko.

I'm SO going to cream my pants when I get to play Gran Tourismo 4 on Playstation 3.

Plethora? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518698)

Awww my boy zonks back from college and he's usin' those big words. He's a goddamn genius that boy. He can even use one of those famdangled computers.

iPod killer (1, Funny)

Chaos_Thoery (797173) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518700)

Bill Gates said he would bring down Apple's iPod one way or the other. I just don't know whether making it larger and providing less hard disk space is the way to go about it!

xbox360: dnf (1, Funny)

goodgoing (810124) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518707)

I was just browsing through the xbox360 games on 1up, and apparently duke nukem forever is going to be released on it... []

The future of gaming... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518713)

... is a girl in a green dress []

Why 360? (1, Funny)

Per Abrahamsen (1397) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518715)

I associate the number 360 with some clunky old IBM mainframes. The CPU is from IBM, but that is hardly the intended association.

It could be 360 degree vision. Does the console have souround video :)

Longhorn for powerpc? (1)

Folmer (827037) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518719)

Now when microsoft has made an OS that runs on the power5 cpu, the next step should be to make Longhorn run on the g5, so all the B/RSOD-hungry mac users can scrap OSX tiger :)

Re:Longhorn for powerpc? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518761)

Yeah... that makes sense.

And, btw, wanna know what happened to Unity?.. (4, Interesting)

hyphz (179185) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518720)

The music visualiser in the Xbox 360 is being done by Jeff Minter, as a massively enhanced version of the engine that was going to drive Unity. ;)

Its awfully big (1)

stoicio (710327) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518724)

arent electronics supposed to be getting smaller ?

Windows Update (1)

BigAlexK (398239) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518730)

I'll give a crisp British £5 note to the fine gentleman who gets a virus onto this infernal machine first.

We've had enough of this American crap over here lads, I tell you, and enough's enough. Grandfather wouldn't have stood for it and neither will I.

The monumental ballyhooness of it all!

Playstation 3 made by the Japs you say? Ye Gods Man! Back to the trusty Psion it is then!

What's in a name? (1, Funny)

Stonewolf57 (833593) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518732)

Xbox 360? Isn't that kinda like saying we turned our new product completely around (figuratively speaking) so we could send it in same direction as the old one? Talk about a vote for uncreativity :p Yes, I did hear it was a nod to the skateboarding community. Why? And if so why not just call it the Xbox 180? It would make more sense. Go figure.

XBox Homepage (1)

weg (196564) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518738)

The XBox Homepage [] doesn't work correctly with Mozilla (1.04) and looks darn ugly even with Internet Explorer...

What are you talking about? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12518741)

A front-page article ought to at least say something about what an "Xbox 360" is. Sort of drags down the whole front page when I read the first article and haven't got any idea what you're trying to present me with. If it's only for the gamers, leave it on the section page.

Tech. Fashion show (1)

toonworld (838479) | more than 9 years ago | (#12518751)

Isn't that what it was? A lot of "hey this is how it looks and this is how you can change its look".

Not much on specs. So what, they're selling looks now? Could this be the begining of tech. fashion show?

Will there be a miss USB contest? :P
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