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MPAA Cracking Down on TV Torrent Sites

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the late-lamented-btefnet dept.

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sallgeud writes "It appears the other shoe has dropped and the MPAA is now going after sites which link to torrents of TV shows. The beef with redistributing copyrighted material seems to make sense... but I'm wondering if it makes a difference in the world of DVR. The vast majority of downloads appeared to be of content that is broadcast free over the airwaves. I'm wondering how much different this is than going after Tivo? Would these sites have been hit with lawsuits if they had stuck to purely over-the-air broadcasts?"

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Is Zonk the new Timothy? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534848)

Since there is nothing new to read, here's a story about cats.

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you cat fanatics? I've been sitting here on my sofa in front of a cat (a sealpoint siamese) for about 20 minutes now while attempting to get it's attention away from a bug on the floor. 20 minutes. At home, with my labrador cross, which by all standards should be a lot dumber than this cat, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

In addition, during this attention seeking attempt, my children's attention is also held by the cat. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even trying to get the remote from my partner fails.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while dealing with other cats, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a cat that fetches as much as it's canine counterpart, despite the cat's faster ambulatory system. My terrier with one ingrown toenail runs consistently faster than this siamese at times, as the cat is often completely asleep. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the cat is a superior animal.

Re:Is Zonk the new Timothy? (0, Offtopic)

Adult film producer (866485) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534907)

Lol, mod up please.. parent is so appropriate in this circumstance :) BTW, the cat is the superior animal, no argument needed :D

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Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534917)

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Slashdot's Leper Colony (1)

TFGeditor (737839) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534957)

Not that anyone wants to waste mod points helping the local leper colony, let alone visit there, the parent is at least as informative and interesting as the primary duplicate story.

Re:Slashdot's Leper Colony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534971)

You'll wish you had when the front page is flooded.

You might like this one too (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534982)

As Gregor Samsa awoke one morning from uneasy dreams he found himself transformed in his bed into a Eurofag. He was lying on his bony, as it were effeminate, back and when he lifted his head a little he could see that he was wearing designer silk Prada G-string underwear which was slippery due to the fact that he was covered in K-Y jelly and Baby Oil, and was so uncomfortable that he was about to slide off the bed completely.

What has happened to me? he thought. It was no dream. His early-20th-century Central European bedroom was authentically minimalist, perhaps too much so. Above the simple minimalist table on which a collection of cloth samples was unpacked and spread out -- Samsa was a commercial traveler -- hung the picture of a lady with a fur cap on.

"Fur is murder!" Gregor heard himself blurt out, but he did not even understand its meaning. And again: "Fur is beautiful on animals but ugly on humans!" and "Would you wear your dog?" and "Give fur the cold shoulder!" The voice was his, as were the thoughts -- only the meaning escaped him.

Gregor's eyes turned next to the window, and the overcast sky -- one could hear rain drops beating on the window gutter -- made him think only of getting back to southern Portugal, or to Greece, or to Majorca, all beach vacation destinations which Gregor had no immediate recollection of ever visiting, precisely because he had never been to any of them. And yet the urge to "return" to the beach, and to "catch up on his tan" so that his body would attain the color of burnt pork knuckle, was overpowering, and this cast him into a gloom. "I'm so pale," he heard himself moan.

What about sleeping a little longer and forgetting all this nonsense, he thought, but it could not be done, for he was accustomed to sleeping in his nightgown and in his present costume, wearing only a tight silk Prada G-string, sexually aroused and imagining, to his own horror, what a joy it would be if a gypsy man were to urinate into his mouth, Gregor simply could not relax. However violently he forced himself towards his right side he always felt the pinch of his G-string and the slipperiness from the lubricants, and he rolled onto his back again. He tried it at least a dozen times, shutting his eyes to keep from seeing his shaven white legs, and only desisted when he began to feel a faint sense of irritation and depression which he had never experienced before, along with twitching in his spine, and a sore sinus and a sore nose with dried blood. He was terribly thirsty, and at the same time he felt fatigue and a profound sense of angst.

Oh God, he thought, what an exhausting job I've picked! Traveling about day in, day out. Although it's better than being stuck in an office, which is so alienating and oppressive, with its bourgeois dictatorial rules and spatial techno-totalitarianism. At least as a traveling salesman he was able to constantly move, take the train, see the beautiful countryside, meet so many interesting people, including students, activists, artists, and minorities.

He felt a slight itching on his pubic area; slowly lifted his head so that he could see more easily; identified the itching place, which came as a result of shaving all of his pubic hair, including his scrotum and the tuft which usually lined his anus, and he made to touch it with a hand, but he drew the hand back immediately, for the contact made him want to visit Thailand, where there are many friendly young boys.

He slid down again into his former position. This getting up early, he thought, makes one quite queer. A man needs his sleep. Otherwise I will look awful when I meet my clients, and who knows what interesting, unique Europeans I will meet along the way. Besides, the union I belong to has won concessions reducing the workweek to only 35 hours, while our pay was increased, so what's the point of waking up early? In fact, I am tired of working. It's only because of my overbearing parents that I continue this job. If it wasn't for my respect for their authority and my inner need to follow orders, I would have told off my boss some time ago. Well, once I've earned enough money to pay for a Swatch car and a 6-week trekking tour of Southeast Asia -- that should take another year, given my union wages and the strength of the Euro -- I'll quit for sure. Besides, I'll just collect unemployment, which is more lucrative. And in doing so, I'll cut myself completely loose from my parents. But for now I better get up to catch my train.

He dismissed these increasingly strange lines of reasoning and looked at the alarm clock ticking on the insufficiently-postmodern chest. It was already half past eight. Had not the alarm gone off? He had set it for seven-thirty, yet he could not wake up to anything except for the pulsing sounds of DJ Sven Vath. But what was he to do now? He was late for work, and although he could not legally get into any trouble, he felt that somehow he was not behaving like a proper German. Besides, did his parents not teach him, "Gregor, the thing in life is that you should be an anarchist and fight the totalitarian state until your hairline starts to recede, and then you must work and earn money and wear nice clothes and become obsessed with buying a new car every two years." Did Gregor's parents say this to him, or did someone else's parents say this to someone else?

Maybe he should say he was sick. But that would look suspicious, since Gregor's real desire right now was to pay a "doctor" to visit him in his bedroom and administer an enema, which he would then feed to this "doctor." His parents would not disapprove of this, even though they made him watch their own amateur Scheisse video which they posted on the Internet. What is the Internet? Gregor felt really quite exhausted and depressed, but this was utterly superfluous after such a long sleep, especially considering that the coke he bought was not very clean.

All this was running through his mind at top speed when there came a cautious tap at the door behind the head of his bed. "Gregor," said a voice -- it was his mother's -- "it's a quarter to nine. Are you okay? Should we make preparations with your chief clerk to explain why you will be late?" Gregor had a shock as he heard his own voice answering hers, unmistakably his own voice, it was true, but with a sardonic, effeminate lisp which effused his every word with powerful irony, so that one could not be sure if one was being mocked, or if the speaker really meant what he was saying. Gregor did not want to have this ironic, mocking tone to his voice. He wanted to answer his mother at length and explain everything, but in the circumstances he confined himself to saying, "Whatever, man. It's all meaningless anyway. Oo, that was so profound of me, wasn't it mother?"

The simple minimalist wooden door between them must have kept the change in his voice from being noticeable outside, for his mother shuffled away. Yet the other members of the family were aware that Gregor was still at home, as they had not expected, and his father started knocking, gently at first. "Gregor, Gregor," he called, "what's the matter with you?" And then, in a low, plaintive tone: "Gregor? Aren't you well? Are you needing anything?"

Gregor mumbled, "Yes, some serotonin would be nice," but to his relief his father did not hear him, and he returned to eating his breakfast. But then his sister whispered: "Gregor, open the door." However, he did not consider opening the door, and felt thankful for the habit of locking it to secure his stash, as well as his expensive collection of rare 12-inch dance mix singles.

His immediate intention was to get up quietly without bothering his parents. He threw the quilt off of the bed, although since he was so thin it took a few flings. But the next move was difficult, especially since he was so uncommonly thin, and the G-string pinched him so painfully when he bent. He would have liked to have taken the G-string off, but he looked too sexy in it, and it made him feel good about himself. In fact, it was the only thing that made him feel good about himself. So how would he get up while wearing the silk Prada G-string? He tried to slide to the edge of the bed, but the G-string only pressed uncomfortably against his genitalia. He tried to push himself head-first then back and over, but then he realized that his spiky hairdo, which was so delicate, might flatten out and look too common and bourgeois.

Two strong people -- he thought of his father and the servant girl -- would be amply sufficient to get him out of bed. But then the thought of them excited him, and he wondered to himself, "How I would like to be the servant and to take orders!" Just then the front door bell rang. "That must be a state social worker who is checking to see that my rights are not being trampled upon," Gregor said. But in fact it was the chief clerk himself. What a fate! Wouldn't it have been better to send a social worker, and a civil servant to check the social worker, and a union official, as well as several union activists to check his fate, rather than the chief clerk! Gregor was about to complain himself when he fell onto the floor -- and made a very light thud, like a paper clip falling on carpet.

His sister was whispering to inform him of the situation: "Gregor, the chief clerk's here." "I know," muttered Gregor to himself; but he didn't dare to make his voice loud enough for his sister to hear it, or else she would think he was being ironic and mocking.

"Gregor," said his father now from the left-hand room, "the chief clerk has come and wants to know why you didn't catch the early train. He wants to talk to you in person. So open the door, please. He will be good enough to excuse the untidiness of your room." "Good morning, Mr. Samsa," the chief clerk was calling amiably meanwhile. "He's not well," said his mother to the visitor, while his father was still speaking through the door, "he's not well, sir, believe me. The boy thinks about nothing but his work."

"I'm just coming," said Gregor slowly and carefully. "I can't think of any other explanation, madam," said the chief clerk, "I hope it's nothing serious."

His sister now was crying because he wouldn't let the chief clerk into his bedroom, because he was in danger of losing his job, and because it seemed that Gregor might not be able to buy his clean-fuel-burning Swatch car and trek throughout Southeast Asia.

He meant actually to open the door, actually to show himself and speak to the chief clerk; he was eager to find out what the others, after all their insistence, would say at the sight of him. If they were horrified then the responsibility was no longer his and he could stay quiet. But if they took it calmly, then he had no reason either to be upset. But still he was so slippery from the lubricants which covered him, that he could barely manage to turn the door knob. There was only one way to turn it -- with his ass. Gregor got on all fours, faced the opposite direction from the door, backed his rectum into the door knob, which slid in with ease, and, turning his entire body, managed to affix the door. They should have given him encouragement. They should have said, "Go on, Gregor, keep going, open it with your ass!" He heard the lock click, leapt like a zebra with the doorknob still in his ass, and opened the door as he sprang to the side. When he fell down, a loud popping sound reverberated, and Gregor quickly spun back to the doorway, as if he was ready to dance, when he heard the chief clerk utter a loud "Oh!" His mother collapsed on the floor, while his father knotted his fist with a fierce expression on his face as if he meant to strike Gregor, then backed away, covered his eyes with his hands and cried.

Gregor leaned against the door ironically. The breakfast dishes were out, but he was concerned that some of the food might be genetically engineered. Besides, he wanted to make sure that he could fit into the new Mark Jacobs outfit which he planned to buy on a shopping spree today. His father, without saying a word, pulled down several photographs from the wall of Gregor's father, uncle, grandfather and great-grandfather when they served in the military. Gregor too served as a lieutenant. But now, all he wanted to do was dance at nightclubs and mock how absurd it is that men still kill each other.

"Well," said Gregor, with a heavy irony that he could not mask. "Isn't this just so absurd. Isn't it, ah, so straaaange," and the last word he pronounced with such a large degree of sarcasm and irony that he surprised himself, unaware that he could be this ironic. The irony frightened his chief clerk, who made to leave in haste. "Wait, sir, don't leave yet," he said to his chief clerk. "Certainly one could just be temporarily incapacitated with dance fever. I cannot lose my job. Why give me a week, two at most, and I will return to normal. I am sure that the lubricants on my body are a passing phase, as is my desire to felch you."

The chief clerk's eyes bugged open. Gregor wanted to apologize, but instead, he drawled an ironic, "What is the problem, you are frightened that a man wants to felch you? Gee, let's all just pretend that men really don't want to felch their bosses everywhere. Let's all live a lie, why don't we!"

Gregor was appalled at the words coming out of his mouth. He tried to stop the chief clerk from leaving, but he was so wispy that the clerk, with the slightest push, sent Gregor crashing against a lamp. The chief clerk must be detained, soothed, persuaded and finally won over; the whole future of Gregor and his family depended on it! Gregor did not know how else to stop him -- so he started to dance. He stood in front of the chief clerk, made a rhythmic machine-like sound including "blip" and "bleep," and called on the clerk, "Hey, join my Love Parade, sir! Bip-beep-beep-bip. It's cool, man. Bah-bip-bip-beep-bip. We don't care if you're old, young, whatever. Boo-wa-wa, boo-wa-wa. We're not radical like the 60s generation, we just want to love everyone and to have a good feeling all the time! Bip-beep-beep-bip!"

Just then Gregor slipped and fell on his own lubricating fluid. "Mother! Someone, please help me get up!" He tried to roll onto one side and the other, but was unsuccessful. His mother stood over him, crying. His father fell into a chair crying too. And his sister cried. Gregor was only sad that he could not dance with the chief clerk, who had taken flight. At that moment, he decided that the problem was he was only wearing his Prada G-string. If only I was wearing my Von Dutch truck driver hat, everything would have been fine, he thought.

His father only had one desire. To push Gregor back into his room.

"But father, I just want to dance. It's all about love, father." His father slipped and fell, and he flailed around, now covered in Baby Oil. "Damn it to hell!" yelled his father. "It's the Slavs who did this to you! It's the damn Czechs, the Moravian filth! The Ruthenians, they drink my blood! They feed off our Germany like bacteria! God, give me one artillery shell!" "But no father, all of these ethnic groups bring so much multicultural diversity to our region," Gregor heard himself say. He wanted to agree with his father, but he was incapable of forming the right words. When he tried to say that they should burn down the house where the Jewish family lived down the street, instead he said, "We must never let what happened happen again, father." When he wanted to say that all Slavs were cattle, he said instead, "The price of beer is so much cheaper here than in Berlin." His father could not take it. He swung hard at his son with his fist, but the thick lubricant coating protected Gregor. His father's inability to hurt him only made Gregor feel more guilty. "Father, I will find a part on my body which is not lubricated, and you can strike me there," he said. But his father only became depressed, and sat on the floor with a sullen expression. "We are cursed," he said to his wife. "The nation has been sold to the Jews, the Rhineland is lost, and my son only wants to dance." "Yes father! And with glo-sticks!" His father beamed: "A glo-stick? Is this something that the Fatherland could use to destroy the enemy behind her lines so that we can retake the Alsace and Lorraine?" he asked hopefully. "Father, there is no Alsace and Lorraine. There is only one Europe, and one world. Come on, get into the good feeling, father." But as Gregor said this, he felt increasingly guilty. His father looked at his mother, and they cried. All cried, wondering why they had been so cursed. Gregor wanted to apologize, but he knew that if he tried, it would sound too ironic, so he simply kept his mouth shut. He wanted to feel hatred towards the ethnic groups located closest to his country, but instead he felt mere ironic contempt, mixed with the desire to exchange artworks and music with these neighboring ethnic groups.

Over the next several days, the family learned that Gregor, in his illness, had only one burning desire: to dance at discos and to feel good. Every night he left the house, wearing his Von Dutch truck driver hat, his tight Versace sleeveless shirt and Ferrari Formula One leather jacket, his washed-out jeans with holes in them and his leather Gucci sneakers. But there were no discos. So Gregor wandered the lonely, dark streets, dancing to his own "blip-beep-beep!" sounds, and without remembering how, he returned home every morning slathered in lubricants and oils, feeling very sore.

One night, when Gregor was out, his family was eating dinner. "We must cure Gregor," one of them said. And the next one said, "Yes, we must." "We cannot go on like this." "We will be ruined." "But he is our son." "Yes, he is our son." They devised a plan to cure their son, and to cure their house. The plan was to steal his Ferrari Formula One leather jacket, which would deprive him of the ability to go out and to feel beautiful. But on the night that they were to hatch their plot, Gregor, dressed up and excited, danced around the house, blowing a military whistle. His father tried to ignore it, and his mother cried. Gregor felt guilty, but could not stop himself. Finally, his father asked him, "Why? Why are you doing this to us? Why are you doing this to Germany? What are you, Gregor?" And Gregor answered, "I am Germany of the future, father. You, mother, sister, grandfather, everyone were mistakes. We Germans failed and failed and failed, until I was born, at the end of this century. Now look at me, father. I am harmless. I feel nothing but love and the desire to work. I am ironic, I threaten no one. Everyone laughs at us, but we can dismiss this with a witty and ironic response which has two meanings, one underneath the other. I am Germany, father. So please, come join me."

Gregor then went to bed, and slept wonderfully all night. But in the morning, he woke up and found that he had been transformed into an insect. In fact, he was an insect all along. This strange dream about lubricants and discos and glo-sticks was merely an insect nightmare. And Gregor thought, "Now I have a reason to be grateful. For I am a cockroach, and I will soon die, but at least I'm not an early-21st Century German." And with this he felt his old sense of guilt, pain and despair return, feelings which were so comforting and familiar that he was, at last, able to fall back asleep.

The End

Re:Slashdot's Leper Colony (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12535018)

Umm say, you've got an UID in the 73xxxx range. For how long have you been here? A year? Who allowed you fucking noob to talk to me or make comments about "Slashdot's this and that"?

Lurk more!

Leprosy is not a joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12535032)

Even you/we in the afluent world might catch it some day, although thankfully the possibility is remote.

Try not to joke about things like this. You're just spreading public misconceptions about a very unfortunate disease and reinforcing AIDS-like discrimination against the people who suffer from it through no fault of their own.

Re:Is Zonk the new Timothy? (4, Interesting)

/ASCII (86998) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534934)

This post is in reply to your subject, not your unfounded accusations about out feline overlords.

Zonk is not the new timothy. Check out his journal [slashdot.org] . He posts replys to other peoples comments, so he clearly reads a few comments on Slashdot at least once or twice a week. That can't be said of very many of the Slashdot editors.

But I couldn't help noticing that right now all except one posts of the posts on the main page are made by him...

Re:Is Zonk the new Timothy? (3, Interesting)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534981)

I have only ever had a problem with one zonk posted story and and i did question it and from what i can tell he is very open to suggestions .
I personly find this story intresting , don't know if its a dupe nor do i care(the only people who care about it being a dupe are the ones who have already read it , the others get an opertunity to discuss something they missed, and they ahve been rather good in avoiding dupes this past week or so).

On the issue
"The MPAA claims that since it began action against torrent sites, the amount of time required to download a pirated file has increased "exponentially."
"
*cough*sckollob*cough* , All the MPAA chasing after random sites has done is move people to new pastures , they kill one torrent site and another three pop up in various locations , it has exponentialy increased anon trackers and sites which link to external torrents.
I am no supporting or attacking people who choose to download Films .
I am quite in support of TV downloads but that is another issue( i download alot of stuff from the UK and the USA which i dont get here in germany or its dubbed horribly , ala the simpsons and i do own every simpsons DVDs i just dont fancy waiting 5-14 years till it comes out on DVD to see it).

The MPAA and RIAA are begining to sound more and more like king Canute , You cant stop the tide . You either learn to work with it or you drown

Re:Is Zonk the new Timothy? (2, Informative)

/ASCII (86998) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535000)

My post was not meant as an attack on Zonk.

Re:Is Zonk the new Timothy? (1)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535013)

I apoligise , i ment to direct that at the grandparent , i was agreeing with you . Again i appoligise if it sounded like i was directing that at you(not that i was really attacking the grandparent more just disagreeing in a normaly way ).

Intrestingly also with this action on these sites of which i am sure some will close down soon perhaps .
They will most likely shoot up in memberships ,with storys like this as people will flock to see what the fuss is about and the advertisers will be happpy. The site owners if they are in the USA will abandon the site money in hand after remove the offending torrents .
Outside the USA they will laugh and thank the MPAA for the directed bussiness.
Its a war they cant win unless they change tactics drasticly

Re:Is Zonk the new Timothy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12535034)

The MPAA and RIAA are begining to sound more and more like king Canute , You cant stop the tide . You either learn to work with it or you drown

King Canute recognised that he was powerless against the forces of nature, and demonstrated this to his subjects (being King does not make him omnipotent). The MPAA/RIAA are displaying completely the opposite of this wisdom, viz they are trying to stop an inexorable tide/ believing they can/ claiming they can.

Re:Is Zonk the new Timothy? (1)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535046)

Did canute not at first belive because he was king he was all powerfull till after the story abotu King canute and the tide where he learnt humility or am i confusing two difrent story? Which is possible as i havnt read it for about 12 years

Re:Is Zonk the new Timothy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12535022)

That's so passe. The new one goes something like this.

All my life I've pondered what would happen if you caged a raccoon, threw him in a ring with a pit bull and had them fight to the death. No, I'm not going to start a thread about how my animal abusive uncle pulled off such a feat (because he would), but this morning at about 3 am I was fortunate enough to witness about 30 seconds worth of this dream match-up and it didn't disappoint!

I'm sound asleep early this morning when I'm suddenly awakened by the intensity of a fierce street fight between 3 cats...fuckin' battle royal WWF style, and everybody knows what a cat fight sounds like. The only reason this cat fight peeked my interest was because usually cat fights last about 15-20 seconds before one cat realizes he's about to get his ass whupped and runs away like a little bitch. Not this fight. This was fuckin' Ali/ Frazier and after about 45 seconds of ferocity I knew I had to get some ringside seats because these cats were absolutely getting after it! I run to my front room window which looks down on the street and and it was beautiful!! The street light in front of my neighbors house shined right down on the fight like I was at Ceasars Palace. The only thing missing was a giant bong rip and a few half naked ring card girls....and beer. And hookers.....anway....

So I must have been watching this free for all for about 45 seconds when out of nowhere this big fuckin' raccoon comes rollin' up 5 deep out of the alley between my house and my neighbors' to the right. I mean he's got his posse in full effect. I dont know, they might have been his bitches, all I know is I saw him out of the corner of my eye and at first I thought it was a dog, thats how big this coon was. I see raccoons all the time but this bastard was abnormally big, he was like Deebo from the movie Friday without the introduction music. The intense whine of the cat fight must have attracted his attention, he probably was in some dumpster getting his eat on when he heard the commotion, turned to his hoes and was like, "You wanna go see me whup some ass?" So he rolls up with his entourage and within seconds this cat fight comes to an abrupt end. Game over. Thanks for coming. In the blink of an eye 2 of the cats are fuckin' ghost! They know better. They're like, "No need to stick around, thats the biggest motherfuckin' racoon I've ever seen, I'M OUT!!" Now the other cat, he didn't move. He must have paged the coons or some shit because you could tell they were boys. The minute he saw the calvary coming he probably looked at the other cats and was like, "Yeah, whats up now bitches? This is my block. West side. Recognize!" Throwing up alley cat gang signs n' shit. So I'm watching this and my adrenaline is just pumping, I love confrontation especially between animals. I'm a little disappointed that this raccoon showed up because he broke up a really entertaining cat fight but just when I was about to climax all over myself things got really interesting...

My neighbors to the left own a pitbull named Davis and by no means is Davis one of those "trained to kill" style ghetto pitbulls, he's actually a sweetheart but he is a pitbull and he can get down. Davis is the kind of dog that is cool with humans but will not hesitate to obliterate any cat he can run down. Occasionally he gets under the fence which doesnt bother me at all but at times has the other neighbors terrofied. Sure enough Davis also heard the catfight and wanted to get a live glimpse himself, he just didn't know he was about to come face to face with a 105+ pound coon. So the minute I see Davis I let out with a "HOLY SHIT!!!" and once again my adrenaline is flaring like a pack of hemorroids because I knew this had the potential to be fuckin' awesome! With that my roommate comes bolting out of his room half asleep thinking somebody was breaking into his piece of shit car, it's black as pitch in our house and dude just runs head on into the hall way corridor. Fuckin' WHAM!!. He goes to turn on the lights in the living room and I'm like, "No, you're going to scare them away," he still has no idea whats going on and turns his attention to what I'm watching and just flips out!! He's more pumped up than I am! You have to understand, my roommate and I are HUGE boxing fanatics who grew up together and were the type of guys who would have heated debates over who would win in a fight, John Rambo or Luke Skywalker. You know the types. King Kong or Godzilla? Mountain lion Vs. Black bear? So this was right up our alley.

The minute the raccoons see Davis four of them decide it was in their best interest to find the nearest escape route and head right back towards the alley. Not the big fella. This raccoon had balls of steel and even Davis was kinda lookin' at him like, "Yo nigga, don't you know who I am? Is your ass crazy or something? I'm a fuckin' pit bull son." However the only thing on this coons' mind was tearing shit up. So Davis is sizing up the situation and this raccoon goes right into a defensive attack position. It was about to be on and I'm not sure how it happened but within' moments my roommate and I are engaged in a heated debate over the outcome and automatically a 20 dollar bet was on the table. So he starts going off about Davis having "lock jaw" and once Davis establishes that advantage the fight would be over, Davis would tear him apart. I start telling him that it's not going to matter what kind of jaw Davis has because the second he gets close, that raccoon is going to use his razor sharp paws and carve him up something fierce. So we are going round and round like fuckin' Jim Lampley and Larry Merchant from HBO Sports and as always when my adrenaline starts and I get excited...I gotta take an enormous shit. I mean I'm straight up turtle heading. I cant hold it any longer.

Alright give me some room here....does anyone else get that or is it just me? I dont know why, but ever since I could remember anytime I feel any type of anxiety I automatically have to take a giant dump. It's the craziest thing. If I go to Blockbuster to rent a movie, within about 2 minutes I have to take a shit. Same thing if I go pick up a video game, it's like fuckin' clock work. When I'm about to light up a giant bong rip, I always run to the bathroom first. And sometimes there's no bathroom around so I have to go with the "heal plunge" where I bend over to pretend like I'm tying my shoe but all I'm really doing is ramming my heal up my ass to stop me from shitting all over myself. Speaking of video games, when I was 13 my little brother would bring over his chinese friend to play Nintendo and this kid was such a savage that he wouldn't even bother to press pause when he had to take a shit, he'd just drop a growler right there in his pants!! I mean come on, I know chinese kids love video games but there's a pause button for a reason. This kid was like, "no way" getting to level 9 in Mega Man was WAY more important than a trip to the bathroom. Little fella would just go caveman style right there in the living room.....

So anyway, I frantically sprint to the bathroom about to drop my garbage all over the floor and I'm on the toilet yelling at my roommate to give me "the play by play". I must have been on the shitter for like 12 seconds flat, if crapping was an Olympic sport I'd have just brought home the gold. I run back into the living room with a trail of toilet paper still lodged in my ass and as soon as I take my seat, my cock blocking neighbor comes flying out of her house screaming at her dog to come. Obviously with that the coon bolts, I'm bummed out of my mind, my roommate throws on the lights in the living room and dude is sporting a 3 inch gash right down his forehead. Apparently when he came running out of his room and took on the hallway corridor the guy split his fuckin' wig. He's got blood all over his shirt like he just went toe to toe with a god damn mountain lion.......

I got to get some sleep.

Fuck you up the anus! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534851)

This happened friday. I don't need to know about your nuremburgian timelines.

Repost (5, Informative)

Xeo 024 (755161) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534852)

It's a dupe [slashdot.org] .

So what? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534891)

I am not against dupes.

Not everybody checks slashdot with religious zeal. By having dupes the important stories can be shown to those who missed it (cause maybe the first posting was at a wierd time).

Or maybe the can come up with a better solutiuon for the important stories (a sidebar maybe)?

slashback (2, Insightful)

nounderscores (246517) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534968)

when you say "a better solution for important stories" possibly missed by non-refreshers, you mean a solution like slashback?

Re:So what? (5, Insightful)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535057)

Not everybody checks slashdot with religious zeal. By having dupes the important stories can be shown to those who missed it (cause maybe the first posting was at a wierd time).

Stories aren't reposted because they're "important". They're reposted because the editors are careless and didn;t notice. If I can't read Slashdot for a few days, I just browse through the "Older Stuff" stories linked conveniently on the right side of the front page.

I get annoyed at this because Slashdot regularly asks me to moderate posts, to improve the quality of the site, but provides no usable mechanism to moderate the editors. Even the email address on is encouraged to send warnings of dupes and errors is rarely answered, sometimes bounces, and is ignored in almost all cases. So now I rarely boither to mod at all; why should I care about the quality of the site when the editors obviously don't? In work I've found it similarly disheartening to be concerned with quality when the managemnent doesn't give more than lip service to the concept.

Fristy Posty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534853)

Oh, and there is a world of difference between a person recording something for themselves, and somebody passing copies of it to all and sundry

Re:Fristy Posty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12535054)

Oh, and there is a world of difference between a person recording something for themselves, and somebody passing copies of it to all and sundry

No there isn't, unless they're making money from it.

Dupe (0, Redundant)

YowzaTheYuzzum (774454) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534854)

Dupe. [slashdot.org]

[insert witty remark about Slashdot editors, torrents, and the MPAA]

I wish.. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534855)

I wish they'd crack down on dupes.

OMG (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534856)

What they will think of next? Dupes?

heh (5, Funny)

Seiruu (808321) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534860)

In the near future, we'll all be paying a monthly fee for having a memory, too!

Again? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534862)

Read your own fucking site.

isohunt.com - gone? (0, Redundant)

David Horn (772985) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534863)

ISOhunt has vanished overnight, have the MPAA bastards gone after them too?

Re:isohunt.com - gone? (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534921)

it appears that btefnet.net has disappears as well. as well as a few others. Damn, it will be at least 2 or 3 days before someone outside of the US replaces them.....

Re:isohunt.com - gone? (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534946)

btefnet hasnt been attacked yet, they removed their websites as a precaution - the IRC channel is still giving out torrents.

I was always wondering... (1)

freeplatypus (846535) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534869)

TV shows are copyrighted, but is their distribution illegal? Decreased quality, the network label in the screen corner. After all you are not selling the same stuff after rebranding. I am probably missing some important point here.

Re:I was always wondering... (2, Insightful)

Dutch_Cap (532453) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534916)

Well, they do usually cut out the commercials, which is what most networks get their money from.

Re:I was always wondering... (1)

freeplatypus (846535) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534942)

Ok, but frankly...
How many of You download a TV show when you can see it on-air?
If You miss the show, even if You record it on your own VCR, you can use showview to exclude commercials, can you?

Of course I am not talking about shows on paid channels, I suppose MPAA won't make a difference.

Here are three (4, Informative)

mindaktiviti (630001) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534927)

#1) The commercials are typically ripped out.

#2) Even if the commercials were kept in you could still fast forward through them.

#3) They don't control it. Nor would they probably want such a model because it wouldn't allow them the same amount of power as before (i.e. with these so called "television sets").

Re:Here are three (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534962)

Commercials are also local market dependant in a lot of cases, for example a program that airs on the east coast wont have the same adverts when it airs on the west coast, as a lot of the local adverts wouldnt have any effect.

Re:Here are three (2, Interesting)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534970)

#2) Even if the commercials were kept in you could still fast forward through them.

I do that while watching LIVE tv. (sorta)

I start watching an hour show at 20 after the hour, and using my DVR, rewind to the beginning and FF thru the commercials. this way I am done watching it as it really ends. Also, when I just record and watch later, I do the same thing.

Boycott (0, Offtopic)

cybercfo (748497) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534870)

Slashdotters should control themselves and boycott duplicate posts. Would it even be possible to have a story without any comments?

Re:Boycott (1)

Mother Sha Boo Boo (883424) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534888)

Would it even be possible to have a story without any comments?
Never.

Re:Boycott (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534948)

Heh. Isn't that like suggesting that teens should abstain from sex [lifeway.com] until marriage?

Re:Boycott (0, Redundant)

kherrick (843877) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534979)

I am surprised at how many people complain about "dupes." First of all I rarely read the front page of Slashdot, or the sub-sections... What I do read is the RSS feed. And I rarely see -any- duplicate posts by the editors there. I am thinking there is either a reason for the duplicate posts (to get them on rss?), or that they are a minor (but frequent?) oversight. Who cares? It's free, unless you are subscribing... and if you are, then email someone who does care, and quit complaining on a public forum.

Re:Boycott (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534993)

if you are, then email someone who does care

If you're a subscriber you get to see the articles before they appear on the front page and there is an e-mail address (daddypants@slashdot.com) to which you can send mail if you think there's something wrong with the article.

And you know what? Mailing daddypants doesn't do shit. Every time I've mailed them about a dupe, it sure as hell gets posted. Either the "on-duty editor" does not read his mail or simply takes the easy way and ignores everything.

Re:Boycott (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534999)

Why didn't you boycott this post?

dupe and old (1, Insightful)

generalleoff (760847) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534871)

slashdots big news source seems to be every other site on the internet. Always a day or more late.

Re:dupe and old (1)

psiphre (454612) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534992)

well jeez, mr generalleoff. what do you expect from a pay site... quality?

PAH!

Fucking stop the dupes already... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534874)

...or at least apologize on the front page!!!

If you don't, I am going to re-submit this story verbatim in a few days.

The main issue (3, Interesting)

Agret (752467) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534878)

I think the main issue here is that the shows are being distributed with the ad-breaks cut out so there are a bunch of advertisers paying the TV networks to air their ads and the online people are getting them with no ads at all.

Re:The main issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534887)

The question is, would you be willing to pay the very little sum the networks gain from the ads for each person that watches? I for one would, but that's not going to happen.

Re:The main issue (5, Interesting)

bjprice (863197) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534955)

So how about the new series of Doctor Who [bbc.co.uk] , aired on the BBC (so no advertisements)?

Can I, as a license paying Brit, download episodes which have already been broadcast without fear of legal action?

Btefnet isn't closed (2, Insightful)

Seft (659449) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534879)

Stupid journalists, rtfirc :)

Is that a serious question? (5, Insightful)

Tim C (15259) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534885)

Tivo allows personal time-shifting of a broadcast program so you can watch it at a more convenient time. BitTorrent allows distribution of programs to others.

IANAL, but I suspect that fair use allows for the former but not the latter. In either case, the difference should be clear, in both intent and in practice.

Stop contributing to this dupe (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534894)

Stop legitimizing this dupe by posting sensible stuff like that. Just keep on complaining about the dupe and the editors might actually start reading their own site.

Re:Stop contributing to this dupe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534906)

As a very long time participant of slashdot, I can assure you that the editors will never read their own website.

Re:Is that a serious question? (2, Insightful)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534912)

I missed the latest Doctor who as broadcast last night on terrestial TV (for which I have paid a license fee).
I could either drive over to my mothers and pick up her video, or I can go and download it.

(Of course, there are other perks to going to your mothers on a Sunday afternoon, no bittorrent site I ever found offered a roast dinner)

Re:Is that a serious question? (1)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534967)

The question is, who are you downloadinging it from, and do thay have the copyright owners permission to distribute?

No, they generally don't.

Re:Is that a serious question? (2, Interesting)

greypilgrim (799369) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534973)

I think it is not really clear how fair use works in this case. I think what it boils down to, is that it is perfectly legal to download one copy of a show, but it is illegal to distribute. This would explain why the MPAA is going after the sites that offer tv torrents, and not the people downloading them(yet).

Re:Is that a serious question? (1)

psiphre (454612) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535004)

MPAA is going after the sites that offer tv torrents, and not the people downloading them(yet)
a number of months ago, I had my cable internet suspended because I had a simpsons full season (season 7, I believe) going and my IP address was collected and reported.

they're not bringing civil cases (yet, that I know of) but they're not leaving us alone, either.

Can you be sued if... (3, Interesting)

PrivateDonut (802017) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534889)

Can you be sued if you havn't downloaded any content, and havn't uploaded any content, but provide a website that hosts .torrent files? The MPAA can send you a cease and desist order, can't they? but is there much they can do to enforce it.

Re:Can you be sued if... (1)

sinclair44 (728189) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534929)

Probably not, but do most sites really have the money to hire a lawyer and fight it? Nope. So they shut down (or in the case of the RIAA, pay the comparatively small "settelment").

Re:Can you be sued if... (2, Informative)

Dutch_Cap (532453) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534935)

"Can you be sued if you havn't downloaded any content, and havn't uploaded any content, but provide a website that hosts .torrent files?"

Well, not in Sweden [thepiratebay.org] . Not sure about other countries, though.

Re:Can you be sued if... (1)

khujifig (875862) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534996)

Yes, it would seem so in the UK.
Or at least, there is a case that was covered by /. (from the BBC) of a guy 'running' a bittorrent server that had a knock on the door early one morning from some MPAA lawyers. They are still seeking extradition, I think.
Oh, by 'running', I mean he paid for the bandwidth, but someone else actually posts the content. i think this was films and other stuff.
I can't find the story, the BBC search is not much better than /.s.

Re:Can you be sued if... (1)

RealSurreal (620564) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535039)

Don't remember the BBC covering it but here's The Reg's report [theregister.co.uk]

Re:Can you be sued if... (3, Insightful)

mrsev (664367) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535016)

...Listen very carefully. I shall say this only once.

YOU CAN BE SUED FOR ANYTHING BY ANYONE. Will they win the case, that is the important part?

.

Re:Can you be sued if... (2, Insightful)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535044)

YOU CAN BE SUED FOR ANYTHING BY ANYONE. Will they win the case, that is the important part?

Before that comes the key question: Can you afford a lawyer? If the answer is no, then the rest is moot.

Wow.. (0, Offtopic)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534897)

So we have a dope 24 hours apart? Is Taco training his replacement?

Dope habit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534960)

Yep. 24 hours without dope is hell for some people.

You've got some insider information regarding Taco's dope habit?

Re:Dope habit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12535009)

I've heard that admist his messy on-going divorce and constant abuse from /. readers, Taco's being doing 2 grams of coke on a daily basis.

Much better solutions (5, Insightful)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534899)

I don't expect to give up downloading TV shows anytime soon. The real kicker is that if the broadcasters would instead offer bittorents of the shows (with a few commercials to pay for them) at the same time they are broadcast, they would beat the groups that are ripping them soley for "respect" from peers. AND they would have the control they are so desperately seeking.

TV shows are about the only thing I download via bittorrent (and a few books), mainly because I can't watch when shows are on, and it is more convenient than my DVR. The shows I watch already have logos from TV stations, etc., why not run a "drink coke" banner at the bottom from time to time instead?

If they were really smart, they would also provide their own bittorrent tracker server (complete with Google/Overture ads), making it unnecessary for me to go to other sites and be "tempted" to download music and movies as well.

Re:Much better solutions (1)

Mother Sha Boo Boo (883424) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534920)

If they were really smart, they would also provide their own bittorrent tracker server (complete with Google/Overture ads)

Yes, I think it's a good idea too. These guys should adapt their business models, instead of fighting against a "new" technology.

Re:Much better solutions (1)

Crimson Dragon (809806) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535051)

"I don't expect to give up downloading TV shows anytime soon. The real kicker is that if the broadcasters would instead offer bittorents of the shows (with a few commercials to pay for them) at the same time they are broadcast, they would beat the groups that are ripping them soley for "respect" from peers. AND they would have the control they are so desperately seeking."

This is the do-it-because-you-can argument. While you did not explicitly say that there are not more reasons people rip this content, the implication by this post is that this is the most significant reason. I can guarantee plenty of people download this content (which, let's remember, is technically ILLEGAL to do in this fashion) for utilitarian reasons: they want to watch it. Such existential arguments for file sharing always escaped me. To summarize: people download illegal content because they "need" aka want it by and large, and not to "hack the planet" like a 21st century version of the movie which the common public uses to pigeonhole anyone who can turn on a computer without scratching their head.

"TV shows are about the only thing I download via bittorrent (and a few books), mainly because I can't watch when shows are on, and it is more convenient than my DVR. The shows I watch already have logos from TV stations, etc., why not run a "drink coke" banner at the bottom from time to time instead?"

These banners are drawing more and more ire from the viewing public. Furors have ensued over enlarged banners for such purposes on sports events on major networks for the past five years or so. The question of how to recoup loss from this activity by the viewing public seems to be the question you are driving at, and that is an interesting discussion.... as present methods seem to be ineffective. I am surprised improving the actual content doesn't come across anyone's mind.... but that's a discussion for another day maybe?

"If they were really smart, they would also provide their own bittorrent tracker server (complete with Google/Overture ads), making it unnecessary for me to go to other sites and be "tempted" to download music and movies as well."

Sure, you could do this. Somehow, the host makes money from it, whether through advertising on the page with the tracker, or some kind of subscription service. What stops Johnny Filesharing from turning around and sharing the file himself? A robust DRM schema for video files is not yet upon us, so doing this would centralize the distribution of television content, but do nothing to ameliorate the losses suffered by these networks.

Death to Mickey Mouse, long live the Marx Brothers (4, Insightful)

shanen (462549) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534902)

I feel like I'm restating the obvious, but the MPAA is perverting the intention of copyright. The idea was to *ENCOURAGE* creativity, not to maximize anyone's profits in perpetuity. The idea was that you would get some profits for your creative efforts, not that you would forever strangle anyone who tried to create after you.

Mickey Mouse is the poster child for one part of the abuse. In Mickey's case, they are extending the copyright forever so that they can continue to milk the mouse. If you don't like mouse milk, that's just too effing bad. They have also greatly extended the coverage of copyright against derivative work, again to keep the mouse (and friends) alive and "uncontaminated".

The Marx Brothers represent a different kind of abuse. That's a case where they use (extended) copyright to suppress distribution of works that ought to be in the public domain. In this case, those works would compete very favorably with the tripe Hollywood produces--so they avoid the competition by suppressing those golden oldies.

Who said crime doesn't pay?

Re:Death to Mickey Mouse, long live the Marx Broth (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535003)

I would see it differently. Extending copyright encourages creativity because it shows that if you can come up with good original concept that catches the popular imagination you can make an absolute mint off it. If that does not encourage people to create, or investors to back creative people nothing will. Disney have invested serious time and effort in building up a brand around their characters, why should they drop copyright and let others make inferior duplicates ad nauseum until the original concept is destroyed.

Preventing people from rehashing old ideas from the 30's and 40's is not necessarily a bad thing. The fact that true creators like Walt Disney only come along every few decades is far more stiffling to creativity than copyright.

Re:Death to Mickey Mouse, long live the Marx Broth (1)

Xyrus (755017) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535056)

You know, the **AA runs around screaming and crying about how we're stealing their property. I find this amusing considering that according to the liscense agreement we don't actually own anything.

If all the megacorps are running around bitching about how their precious intellectual property is being stolen, that's fine.

If it is real property, then it is subject to real property laws. They need to pay a tax on it, just like any other property. If someone buys a piece of their intellectual property, then they own it.

It's that simple.

But considering how the US is rapidly becoming fascist, I seriously doubt we'll ever see anything reasonable go through congress to this effect.

~X~

*YAWN* (1, Offtopic)

EpsCylonB (307640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534904)

Seriously how can slasdot editors not read their own site ?.

Slashdot needs to eat its own dog food.

TV Torrents, you say? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534908)

The bastards. What unspeakable lengths will they go to next? Going after certain editors who are posting duplicate stories?!

On second thought, anyone have a torrent of Thursday's article?

When will they learn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534910)

The buggy whip makers still don't get it...

Once again, they just don't get it... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534914)

You know why I download a couple of TV shows every week? Because there's no way to see them in my area. They just aren't on any available TV network. And if they are, they are in pitiful NTSC format.

From the MPAA's point of view, it's probably immoral to watch television shows without the ads. I am guessing that this will all come down, once again, to an issue of "advertisers' rights"... basically resulting in a court judgment that a person has zero rights to watch an entertainment program without watching the advertising, even if it is broadcast over public spectrum.

When will this lunacy stop?

Re:Once again, they just don't get it... (2, Interesting)

Phil246 (803464) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535001)

The MPAA must really hate the BBC then :)
No commercial ads on it - at all.
Mind you, its paid for through a license fee, so wouldnt it be reasonable to assume that since its been paid for already through the license fee, that UK people have a right to watch anything on the BBC however they choose.
Even torrents of the shows.

i FREAKING MISSED dOCTOR wHO (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534918)

I missed Dr who number 8.
I am willing to risk Federal Jail and Extradition to the US to watch it, luckily the hassle campaign by the MPAA has had no effect and a quick search returns a torrent.
Copyright infringement should be a small time crime with a small time fine.
I buy some stuff but my rapacious fandom means I need more than I can possibly afford, so I download some stuff.
Perhaps I could agree to pretend I'm watching some adverts or something.

Re:i FREAKING MISSED dOCTOR wHO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534951)

H'mm the torrents are slow today, only 2k/s perhaps the **AA have some neww trick up there sleeve.

Well yes, they would... (4, Insightful)

Gilesx (525831) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534924)

Not to burst anyone's bubble here, but I'm thinking that those sites probably would have still been busted even if they stuck to free to air content.

How many TV torrents still contain the original advertisements they aired with? I'm thinking in the region of.. hmm... zero? Now, how is all this "free to air" television subsidised? Oh? Advertisements?

Do you see now?

Re:Well yes, they would... (4, Insightful)

bani (467531) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534961)

remember you're talking about an industry that has publically stated they feel that going to the bathroom for a potty break during commercials is theft of revenue and "immoral".

Re:Well yes, they would... (1)

SecretMethod70 (569755) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535059)

I would love to see a source for that. Not thatI don't believe that's how they probably feel, but have tey actually stated something to that effect? If so, I would love to have the source to show to people.

Re:Well yes, they would... (4, Informative)

StrawberryFrog (67065) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535011)

How many TV torrents still contain the original advertisements they aired with? I'm thinking in the region of.. hmm... zero? Now, how is all this "free to air" television subsidised? Oh? Advertisements?

Actually, I'm downloading the episode of Dr Who [bbc.co.uk] that I missed last night. The original contained no advertisiments, and is subsidised by the tax that I pay in the UK. Now the reason why I shouldn't download it again is ... what exactly?

ALso I'm really not sure what the difference is between downloading an American show that I missed a few weeks ago on the Sci-fi channel (yup, again I pay for that), and recording it with a VCR, DVR, TiVo or whatnot.

In other news... (0, Redundant)

Bionic_Baboon (684462) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534940)

The MPAA is planning to crack down on duped articles.

Expats (4, Interesting)

Anubis333 (103791) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534944)

As much as I know it is still illegal and considered wrong. I live and work in Germany, and these shows and movies just aren't available here. I don't have the option of going to the local cinema to see a film, and when they do get here, they are always dubbed into another language.

When I do try to play by the rules and order a DVD from the US of a movie I want to see (ie.. incredibles) It won't play on my player because of the region code.

I am not saying that downloading and watching the dailyshow everyday is right, but there is definitely a moral grey area. Even with the most expensive satellite package, I can only get this 'dailyshow weekly update' on CNN.

I mean I can see how shows ripped without commercials would be frowned upon, but they advertise products that aren't available here anyway.

Re:Expats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534969)

You've got some right to see these shows in Germany?

Region coded players are a moot point. Buy another CD-ROM and code it for region 1. Costs you something like 20-30 euros.

Re:Expats (3, Informative)

markholmberg (631311) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535037)

From my own experience I can tell you one does not need to be an expat to have the same problem.

I have lived in quite many countries - Canada, USA, France, Sweden etc. While abroad, I learnt to love many programs we do not get in my native country, for example Leno, O'Brien and Daily Show with Jon Stewart. I have also adopted a lot of the other cultures along the way. For example, I find american political life hugely interesting (and slightly amusing).

Anyways, there is no way for me currently to obtain these shows other than using bittorrent.

What strikes me as odd is, why don't the TV channels just embrace us "global" people as a new market segment rather than just trying to act all hostile. Historically, customers were segmented and marketed by where they live as you also had to shop there. By this, you formed your 4P's of marketing. That is not true anymore. I, a person living in Finland, can have very similar needs and a mindset as a person living in California. Thanks to global trade and the promise of e-commerce, I can also be marketed very similar products. There are countless examples of products I have bought online that I have seen advertised elsewhere than my home country. Books, clothing etc.

I guess the main problem is, that with media, the products is differentiated to the max. There is only one company that can provide me with "the daily show" or the newest CD by Moby. With no substitutes available...

(And here is something for you that say "why don't you download music by bands that distribute it online". Different pieces of music are just NOT substitutes)

MPAA doesn't have jurisdiction... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534977)

MPAA is the movie cartel, not the TV people.

While they do show some movies on TV...

BtEfnet's torrents on ED2k (2, Interesting)

Un-Thesis (700342) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534978)

This link is being reported to be a backup of all of btefnet's torrents as of the day it went down. It appears to have several tens of thousands of torrents and is 24 MB.

ed2k://|file|torrents.tar.bz2|24171559|75405CBDB 7F 9B97482AF94535EA8930A|/

Bittorrent is shut down, ED2K Forever.

Re:BtEfnet's torrents on ED2k (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12535021)

Only worthwhile if their tracker's still up, hmmm?

Shows power of ED2K (1)

Un-Thesis (700342) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535027)

However, transfering ed2k links *alone* (not asking to be subsidized for their transfer, like sharedaemon) does not violate American's 1st Amendment Right to Free Speech. It also shows teh imperviousness of the ED2K network to withstand such attacks.

When ShareDaemon went down, ed2k barely blimped and has largely regruoped. As far as I know, the bittorrent TV nets are all but demolished.

Re:BtEfnet's torrents on ED2k (1)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535029)

Of course you also need a tracker... ... Or azureus 2.3.0, which has a kdemlia based decentral tracker build in if the one from the torrent file doesnt work...

PBS / Public TV re-broadcast (2, Insightful)

medina (446303) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535024)

I love public TV. Unfortunately, they have a lot of shows I like to see so late at night. Can these be happily re-broadcast via BitTorrent? There are not advertisements (except for the short "sponsor" messages in the beginning).

Nature, I Claudius, Colonial House... c'mon you guys love this stuff too, right? Commercial TV is 60% crap, even without the commercials.

Stargate Atlantis got my cable service terminated. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12535038)

Yep, this is happening even for downloaders and uploaders including myself.

Stargate Atlantis was one of the T.V. shows. Back in December 2004, Adelphia terminated my cable service account (for forever -- blacklisted) for D.M.C.A. because I was sharing two Stargate Atlantis episodes over BitTorrent according to BayTSP and M.G.M.'s hardcopy letter copy (http://www.google.com/search?q=baytsp+mgm+stargat e [google.com] for samples).

again with advertisments (1)

el_womble (779715) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535052)

I just don't get it. If, and I know this is a big if, TV stations can make money giving away TV with advertisments, how can they not make money gioving away TV over internet. The cost of distribution has got to be massively lower, their market instantly becomes global. Which makes me think that the problem isn't the TV companies, it has got to be syndication people, who's job depends entirely on the limitations of current broadcast technology (and a smacking of DMCA to help keep it all sweet).

What I fail to understand is why there is a problem. Broadcast TV isn't going anywhere fast (although the broadcast flag may aid its decline). TV should have marked the end of radio, radio should have marked the end of newspapers. All of these media have an internet equivalent and yet people continue to use them because they fill a niche.

If I can watch and time-shift TV legally because I bought a TV and VCR / PVR, why shouldn't the same be true with my computer and internet connection?

Two companies are posied to take over the world if networks fail to absorb bittorent TV: Google and Apple. Apple know how to distribute low quality media in a high quality way for cash. Google know how to find the media you want and give it away for free whilst providing you with the ads that pay for the content. And if they don't do it, 90% of the people who are reading this article have the skills to do it for them and wrap it in a GPL - MythTV / RSS / Bittorent.

As a side note, has anyone else noticed the McDonalds adds that don't 'click-through' - now that is progress

Not worried (1)

nigel999 (883244) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535058)

The MPAA can kiss my UKTV-torrent-downloading arse.
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