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Portable Internet Radio to take on XM?

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the stranger-things-have-happened dept.

Wireless Networking 231

TheDude writes "A friend who works for a design company attended the Australian EDN awards last night and was impressed with one of the winners, in the wireless category, which was won by Grey Innovation for their Infusion device . It's a Linux based portable internet radio that streams Internet Radio over WiFi. Is this the future of Radio? Given the big push by XM and Sirus , the potential of Podcasting and now the "inFusion", in which direction is mass-audio-broadcast heading? And why isn't anyone really pushing Digital Audio Broadcast (DAB), like they have in the UK ?"

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hmmm (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12533725)

maybe fp

Re:hmmm (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12533732)

fp = fucking pathetic?

Re:hmmm (1)

FosterKanig (645454) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533952)

I don't think that's it, I think it stand for first post.

I want one! (1)

jvagner (104817) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533728)

I've been wishing for this for a while. I spend a lot of time in urban areas and am pretty happy with my streaming options.

Re:I want one! (1)

dabigpaybackski (772131) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533809)

It looks cool as hell. If only they could find a way to safely put a ferrite-bar antenna in it...

Nevertheless, this device, or ones like it, will catch on with listeners. I wonder when conventional analog radio will croak altogether. If Internet radio keeps gathering steam, that moment may come sooner than anybody can predict. The Internet is transforming the breadth of radio from a narrow range of choices limited to the ones on the dial, to a vast range of "stations" that are really just IP addresses. The old paradigm of radio is like visiting a restaraunt (i.e., a geographic location with its particular stations,) whereas the new model, Internet radio, is like being able to order whatever you desire from virtually any location in the world with no dimunition in quality over distance.

Re:I want one! (1)

Janitha (817744) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533811)

Ever since I got into streaming music, I have been waiting for this. Until now, I would simply set up my laptop and hook up the sound output of that to the car sound system. A dream come true.

Re:I want one! (0, Offtopic)

morlock_man (884105) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533832)

You want an Internet Radio to tune into? Try this one. www.newdor.com All the music is available for purchase directly from the site. We offer live DJs on a schedule we're currently working out. It's all independent music you've never heard before, and we've got an archive of our live broadcasts so you can listen when we're not broadcasting. -Andrew Abbass

Re:I want one! (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533946)

Damn! How many times you gonna repost?

Ferchrissakes, quit spamming. Once is enough, K?

Re:I want one! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534038)

Don't bother, it sucks.

1st (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12533729)

1st

But... (1, Funny)

pmazer (813537) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533733)

Yes, but does it run Lin... oh, wait

Yes it does; Linux or the original. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534036)

I am happy to say that it is twice as good [vh.org] as reported.

XM works a LOT of places Wifi doesn't... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12533741)

Unless you live on a college campus or in San Francisco, this is pretty much useless. Come back and try again once 802.16 becomes widespread.

Re:XM works a LOT of places Wifi doesn't... (1)

connorbd (151811) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533920)

Agreed. It's an interesting idea, but not a particularly workable one outside a limited area. I don't honestly see how it's different from a SoundBridge -- granted the ability to hand off like a cell phone would be rather useful, but overall it's hardly a satellite killer.

No, it's not (-1, Troll)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533749)

It won't do much for long haul truckers, so there goes some early adopters willing to spend green for in car entertainment. And it won't do any good for people living outside of urban areas. Believe it or not, there are people who don't live in NY or LA.

Areas outside the US... Who knows. They listen to really weird shit music anyway.

Re:No, it's not (1)

Dun Malg (230075) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533839)

Believe it or not, there are people who don't live in NY or LA.

Actually, LA is a perfect example of a city where this wouldn't. Unlike NY, the "city" has no center, it's just a huge semi-dense, mostly lo-rise sprawl of thoroughly mixed commercial, residential, and industrial areas. There'll never be more than a patchy ad-hoc WiFi system here in Los Angeles for the same reason we won't ever have a decent public transportation system. There is no heart to the city where you can get a reasonable benefit for your infrastructure investment. Either you spend billions to put a WiFi hub on every third street light, or you got nuthin'...

carmesh WiFi? (1)

AussieVamp2 (636560) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533989)

actually being LA, wouldn't putting a tiny little one in every car work very well?

Re:No, it's not (4, Insightful)

Aeiri (713218) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533845)

Areas outside the US... Who knows. They listen to really weird shit music anyway.

What and Jessica Simpson, Britney Spears, Nelly, 50 cent, etc are good music?

I'm an American, and I happen to think the best music comes from Europe. The worst from US.

Re:No, it's not (0, Flamebait)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533885)

Wow, can't believe it took until the second reply to point out the quality of US music. FWIW, the only decent music comes out of the UK: Eric Clapton, Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, etc, etc.

This whole thread is ludicruous (1)

birge (866103) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533915)

FWIW, the only decent music comes out of the UK: Eric Clapton, Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, etc, etc.

Whatever. If you like classical, it's Europe. If you like jazz, it's America. Prog rock, UK. Hard rock, America. Etc. If you like crap, take your pick. Next time you feel compelled to say something as stupid as "the only decent music comes out of the UK" I suggest you make use of the "Post Anonymously" button. That's what it's there for.

Re:This whole thread is ludicruous (1)

pipingguy (566974) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533980)


birge, meet troll. Troll, birge.

Oops, I guess IHBT as well with this reply.

Re:This whole thread is ludicruous (1)

birge (866103) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534000)

I disagree. I think, by definition, a troll is out to hook anybody. A nasty but directed response to said troll may have been dumb of me (as you correctly pointed out) but it is more properly classified as a flame. Eventually, somebody will be compared to a Nazi, but I can't remember the word for that.

Re:This whole thread is ludicruous (1)

quinto2000 (211211) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534033)

godwin's law.

Re:This whole thread is ludicruous (1)

pyrrhonist (701154) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534006)

Prog rock, UK.

I listen to a *lot* of progressive music, and there's a metric buttload of good progressive music coming from just about any part of the world right now - not just the U.K.

Some examples are: Ritual, Echolyn, Hourglass, Nightwish, After Forever, Opeth, Symphony X, Sonata Arctica, Lacuna Coil, Star One, and Dream Theater

That's just a drop in the bucket, and none of them are from the U.K.

If you want to check them out and more, go to Progged Radio [proggedradio.com] .
Another great way to hear what's out there is to listen to the Canvas Prog Hour [canvasproductions.net]

Also, Nightwish is on the listening stations in Borders this month.

Re:This whole thread is ludicruous (1)

birge (866103) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534061)

Thanks for the refs, pyrrhonist. I'll check them out. I shouldn't have been so flip, especially about prog rock, which I'm admittedly not that up on (I'm just a fan of the old bands like the Who, Yes and Floyd). I was just trying to point out that it's impossible to say good stuff only comes from one place. I probably completely abused the term progressive rock.

Re:No, it's not (1)

pipingguy (566974) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533994)


What, you mean hip-hop and rap aren't the highest form of musical sophistication and lyrical construct?

Re:No, it's not (1)

bnet41 (591930) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533861)

I only listen to radio in my car. Thats why I have Sirius, I can get it anywhere with basically no interruptions. This stuff is more of a niche product for indie productions, but really isn't for the mainstream audience.

Re:No, it's not (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533907)

Yeah, WiFi doesn't even do much for short haul people unless they spend most of their time within reach of a mesh.

XM sounds very nice but I'm really not ready for it, I have other priorities. Maybe when my iPod breaks, but I'm hoping to be able to use it for a long time. The current portable XM players are more than twice the bulk of an iPod, so there needs to be some improvement in that regard.

Maybe if there was a merge of the two, like it would switch to WiFi if inside a large steel building when reception gets bad, but I bet most of that sort of infrastructure may be for business use, too many people using WiFi might simply degrade the performance of the network too much.

Re:No, it's not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534058)

We liberals have utter contempt for anyone who doesn't live in NY or LA, or another american metropolis which emulates either.

Everyone else is a redneck hick who watches NASCAR and shops at Wal-mart, and are all incredibly stupid, and need the brilliant intellectual elite of folks like Whoopi Goldberg and Rosie O'Donnel to set them straight.

The best Radio is FREE. (4, Interesting)

tetrahedrassface (675645) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533752)

The best internet radio is the free kind. Somewhere along the way we lost the true value of art. It supposed to be shared even if you suck. Go ahead and share it! Myabe you can influence someone somewhere. Period. The best music will most likely never happen due to greed. We all have to eat.

http://209.235.176.54/reverse_evolutionblues.mp3 [209.235.176.54]

Best heard under Heavy surround sound because it hasn't been mixed yet.lol

However I live by words, and YES i do suck. But here is my take. And its free for you. You need surround sound and good stereo to appreciate it, but i give it to you. That way its still mine. :P

And yes I wrote this and performed all the instruments. So its mine to give.

Re:The best Radio is FREE. (2, Funny)

birge (866103) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533805)

Not sure about the music, but your taste in recreational drugs is impeccable. :-)

What if it just changed? (0)

morlock_man (884105) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533850)

You want an Internet Radio to tune into? Try this one. Straight out of Canada... (With one band from Egypt.)

www.newdor.com

All the music is available for purchase directly from the site. We offer live DJs on a schedule we're currently working out. It's all independent music you've never heard before, and we've got an archive of our live broadcasts so you can listen when we're not broadcasting.

-Andrew Abbass

Re:The best Radio is FREE. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12533934)

"somewhere along the way we lost the true value of art"

yes.. please savior... show us where we have lost our way and how we get back on track. Artist should do their art without pay.. knowing that they bring happiness to everyone.

The best Pain is FREE. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534018)

"However I live by words, and YES i do suck. But here is my take. And its free for you. You need surround sound and good stereo to appreciate it, but i give it to you. That way its still mine. :P

And yes I wrote this and performed all the instruments. So its mine to give.[Emphasis mine]"

Ladies and genteman. I give you "The New, and Improved" business model. Have fun!

Re:The best Radio is FREE. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534042)

You know, it's not what I usually listen to, but this isn't at all bad. I could definitely see a niche for something like this. Keep it up, man. :)

Re:The best Radio is FREE. (1)

TaGirl_Keri (627106) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534105)

I quite like this, I just sent it to my Zen mp3 player. No u don't suck, definitly worth a couple of bucks

smt 5600 (2, Interesting)

GregoryD (646395) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533753)

I stream radio from the internet to my Audiovox SMT 5600 cell phone. Unlimited data plan so there is no charge for me other then the monthly.

I heard of some people streaming live tv through a home computer and a program called orb to their cell phone.

It looks like wireless media is here.

Affordable? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533768)

I stream radio from the internet to my Audiovox SMT 5600 cell phone. Unlimited data plan so there is no charge for me other then the monthly.

How much does an unlimited data plan cost compared to a service such as XM Radio?

Re:Affordable? (1)

GregoryD (646395) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533784)

25 a month for unlimied data though at&t, I hear you can get cingular unlimited data for 20.

Its still a little on the expensive side, but I like having internet everywhere I go.

Re:Affordable? (1)

jx100 (453615) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533838)

Where are you? It seems to cost $40/month for a PDA in California, and $80/month for a PC card.

Re:Affordable? (1)

EvilSS (557649) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533956)

Those are handset rates.

Re:Affordable? (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533979)

$25/mo is twice that of Sirius, 2.5 times that of XM.

Having Internet access is nice, but using it via a tiny phone screen is not my idea of fun, I think my phone is 150 pixels in each direction. I was given a two month's trial but cancelled it within a couple weeks.

Re:Affordable? (1)

Otterley (29945) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534015)

You don't use your phone as the interface. You use it as a conduit. That's what Bluetooth is for.

Also, the $25/month is IP traffic, not just "music" traffic. You can use it for all number of things while mobile, including real-time traffic updates, directories, you name it.

I wonder (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12533754)

I wonder what would happen to one if you pried it open with a screwdriver after washing it...

Re:I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12533822)

Just in case, make sure your Mom has access to a telephone.

what's on it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12533757)

Baseball; football? Sports sells.

Howard Sterns sells (well, maybe not to Hyundai owners:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleI d=105622 [edmunds.com] )

Not gonna happen (2, Insightful)

Anonymous User 2000 (597007) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533758)

Wifi Radio wont catch on until it's truly portable, i.e. you can listen to it in your car like satellite radio, and that wont happen until WiFi is everywhere and that wont happen until cities start funding WiFi municipally and that wont happen. At least not if Verizon, et al. have their way.

Re:Not gonna happen (1)

birge (866103) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533817)

Why should it happen? Do you think the government should provide internet access to everybody? (Read: should we all be forced to pool our money and buy each other internet access?) The government is so efficient and competent at everything else, why not, huh?

Re:Not gonna happen (1)

devnullify (561782) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533859)

A network is a communal resource. Is it really that far-out?

Re:Not gonna happen (1)

birge (866103) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533901)

No, it's not that far out, but it's not neccesary. The criteria for having the government do something should definitely not be "well, it's not far out for them to do it, so why not?" but rather "well, there's no other way to get this done so we'll have to bite the bullet and have the government handle it." The fact that so many people think the first is good enough is probably why the government costs the average person over half their income now, as opposed to less than a tenth in 1920.

emember that when the government does anything, they pay for it via forced confiscation of people's income. That's a perfectly reasonable (or at least unavoidable) thing to do for many things, and I'm not inherently anti-government. But if you remember that fact, it makes it a bit hard to suggest we have local governments indulge us with something like free wireless when it can already be done in the private sector. Buy your own net access, and quit suggesting your neighbor be forced to chip in against her will for your luxury.

Everyone wants to live off the governement... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534039)

forgetting that the government lives off of us.

Remember that when the government does anything, they pay for it via forced confiscation of people's income. That's a perfectly reasonable (or at least unavoidable) thing to do for many things

For a variety of reasons, whenever the government does something, it generally costs more than it would if the private sector did it. For instance, schooling. [washingtonpolicy.org] So, even if the government funds the project only from those whom it would benefit, everyone would most likely pay more.

For myself, I'd like to save that sort of magic for the important stuff that wouldn't otherwise happen.

Re:Not gonna happen (1)

quinto2000 (211211) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534044)

that's how rural electrification happened. a similar movement is taking place to have municipal internet, not necessarily wifi in all instances though. why should something so basic a need for modern communications as high-speed internet be restricted only to the high-profit regions of the country? we wouldn't stand for that with the postal system or telephone service, would we?

Re:Not gonna happen (1)

birge (866103) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534104)

that's how rural electrification happened. a similar movement is taking place to have municipal internet, not necessarily wifi in all instances though. why should something so basic a need for modern communications as high-speed internet be restricted only to the high-profit regions of the country? we wouldn't stand for that with the postal system or telephone service, would we?

You explain to me how wireless internet is a basic human need that can't be provided without government intervention and I'll agree with you. The government wasn't originally supposed to be a device for the realization of everybody's individual notion of an ideal society. Hell, I think everybody should have a car. That's far more useful than WiFi, especially for poor people. Why not have the government buy each citizen a car?

There's a cost to every government action, and it's not just money. Maybe we should spend our collective resources on bigger issues than yuppies downloading stock reports in Starbucks on their laptops.

Re:Not gonna happen (1)

pmazer (813537) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533854)

"and that wont happen until cities start funding WiFi municipally"

Why? Couldn't a company come in and put up WiFi access points all over and have people pay a subscription fee to use them? I personally feel that would be a much better solution to wireless internet than these dial up cell phone based services. I don't see why it would have to be a city to do it and I think the city would do a much worse job than a for-profit company.

Re:Not gonna happen (2, Insightful)

Goldfinger7400 (630228) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533924)

WiFi radio won't catch on until internet radio stops sucking. It's nice to have a big selection of music, but having the stream pause inexplicably every now and then due to connection hiccups, or having the average quality be pretty average isn't going to win people over from hi quality, readily available and professional satellite stations.

hey, anyone listening? (1)

hyperstation (185147) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533766)

here's what i want: something to jack into my ipod, that plays (and maybe lets me record) internet radio, like the fine soma fm [somafm.com] .

i guess wifi is the only way to deliver this, airtunes style.

this functionality could be built into future ipods and other music players. i'd pay more for it.

Sirius (not sirus) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12533767)

Never underestimate the power of millions of Howard Stern fans signing up for Sirius all at the same time.

Sirius will dominate the radio market starting at the end of this year.

Portable internet radio is a great idea, and may eventually become the de facto standard, but it's not going to be anytime in the near future.

Re:Sirius (not sirus) (1)

connorbd (151811) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533939)

That's a big if -- Howard will definitely give them a boost, but I don't think enough people will want to pay to hear him.

But I could be wrong. Howard could be Satellite Radio's killer app, which would be great for Sirius.

No - the future is EDGE/WDCMA/EDVO (2, Informative)

Otterley (29945) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533798)

Grey Innovation has a keen idea, but the implementation is not quite right. WiFi is great for bounded areas, like a house or a college campus, but it's not really well-suited to situations in which you need truly mobile IP access. For that, I think the new high-speed mobile IP protocols, such as EDGE, WCDMA/UMTS and EVDO are much better. Right now you can get unlimited EDGE IP traffic from Cingular for $15/month if you know what you are doing.

Internet radio is also a very good application when done well (check the radio stations in iTunes if you haven't already), but you can do a lot more than just radio if you have Internet access. With Internet access you can also have music on demand. Rhapsody, Napster or the new Yahoo! Music Unlimited all provide this for a small subscription fee of $5-$10 US per month - much less than XM or Sirius charges. Their catalogues are pretty sizable, over 1 million tracks each.

The key is to link this all together with a reasonable user interface. It would manifest itself in the form of a device (either standalone or built into an automobile) capable of tuning into these radio streams, or connecting to one of the music-on-demand services, with a Bluetooth interface using the Dial-Up Networking profile. Tether that to your Bluetooth-capable mobile phone, and voila. Instant kick-ass.

DIY Music distro system. (-1, Troll)

morlock_man (884105) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533857)

Why not just do it yourself?

You want a different kind of Internet Radio to tune into? Try this one.

www.newdor.com

All the music is available for purchase directly from the site. We offer live DJs on a schedule we're currently working out. It's all independent music you've never heard before, and we've got an archive of our live broadcasts so you can listen when we're not broadcasting.

-Andrew Abbass

Re:DIY Music distro system. (2, Interesting)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533877)

That's like the 20th post with the same message you've added to this conversation. Stop advertising in the messages. Get an editor to post an advertisement.. I mean story, for you.

Re:DIY Music distro system. (2, Informative)

Aeiri (713218) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533881)

Look at his user page: morlock_man [slashdot.org]

Every single post of his is an advertisement for that site. Guess what site I'm never going to?

I guess his advertisements are going to have the inverse effect than the one he wanted. I guess that's what you get when you post on a site that advertises the fact that it's for intelligent people.

Re:DIY Music distro system. (1)

morlock_man (884105) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533902)

It's good that these words will be here for a while.

Needle in an Internet Stack. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534047)

"Every single post of his is an advertisement for that site. Guess what site I'm never going to? "

Ahhh! The dark side of the "New and Improved Business Model" that everyone brags about, every time radio, or the RIAA get mentioned. A multitude of talented, and not so talented, all clamoring for our ear. Vainly the audiance searching an ever deeper stack, for that one needle that makes it all worthwhile.

Makes you wish for the "Good old days".

DAB isn't the last word in radio (3, Informative)

Larry Lightbulb (781175) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533804)

If you want a high bit rate and stereo then the BBCs DAB broadcasts won't always be what you expect - take a look at http://www.bbc.co.uk/digitalradio/faqs/answer_03c. shtml [bbc.co.uk] for some of them. A quick search will find you plenty of other pages detailing the shortcomings of the current set-up.

Broadcast = good (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533808)

In some cases, if we have limited bandwidth (eg. especially for things like satellite data), then we definitely want to reserve some of it for broadcast instead of unicast, as this is much more efficient use of the spectrum. Broadcast can and should be used for all sorts of audio and text (eg. news) data.

The funny thing about this though is that broadcast => someone has to decide what the more popular channels are => corporate control => will never be as popular or as cheap as P2P / intelligence-at-the-edges. So even though unicast streaming to everyone is much less effecient, it'll still eventually be cheaper. Stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it.

Cache? (1)

MrSellout (795203) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533814)

I'd like to see a wifi MP3 player that could download radio playlists. Whenever you're near a hotspot, it would grab the playlist for the next hour or so and download the songs. You then have an hour of fresh music before you have to run into another hotspot. Of course legal issues would complicate producing such a player, but maybe a clever hack could improve the functionality of the player in the article.

Finally (1)

D14BL0 (880565) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533815)

Been waiting for something like this for a long time. Now it's going to be a possibility to listen to stuff that's actually good on the radio now, instead of the three same music styles you get nowadays, being classic rock, new shit-rock, and hip hop.

First radio, then comes t.v. (1)

Antony-Kyre (807195) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533825)

It's only a matter of time before we still "podcasting" audio/video. Am I correct on this?

Sorry, this was phrased real badly.

Beef Storm Posse radio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12533849)

I hope ArmageddonMan of Beefstormposse fame gets one of these. He's fucking hillarious on the air, tho I'm probably the only one here who's ever heard of the BSP..

Re:Beef Storm Posse radio (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533872)

Didn't he try to start shit with mc chris? If I remember correctly, he (ArmageddonMan) lost a remix contest to Baddd Spellah and put out a song attacking (poorly) both mc chris and Baddd...

Re:Beef Storm Posse radio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12533955)

Naw, that's not how it went. He only attacked mc chris, turns out it was some sort of inside joke between them. And I wouldn't say Disshead was poor.

Bad fit for a packet network (2, Funny)

birge (866103) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533863)

File this under "Just Because We Can Doesn't Mean We Should." For on-demand streaming, great. But using a packet-switched, short-range wireless IP network to do broadcast audio is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard of. A good way to broadcast radio would be to put a single transmitter really high up where millions of people could have line-of-sight reception of the same transmission. If only we had a way to put an antenna up so high that we could all see it...

Re:Bad fit for a packet network (1)

morlock_man (884105) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533909)

Why not just broadcast from the biggest server matrixes in the country? And play only content you can buy directly from whatever Internet Media company is selling it using DRM models to ensure that everyone pays their fair share will encouraging people to both share and trade their music for profit for themselves? http://www.weedshare.com/ [weedshare.com]

Re:Bad fit for a packet network (1)

birge (866103) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533936)

I'm not arguing anything but the physical means of transmission. I like your idea, but no reason why not do it over the ample satellite bandwidth. Using the Internet to handle wide area broadcasting to mobile users (i.e. the target audience of satellite radio) is like swatting a fly with a field howitzer.

DIY Independent Music Radio (-1, Redundant)

morlock_man (884105) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533864)

You want an Internet Radio to tune into? Try this one.

http://www.newdor.com/ [newdor.com]

All the music is available for purchase directly from the site. We offer live DJs on a schedule we're currently working out. It's all independent music you've never heard before, and we've got an archive of our live broadcasts so you can listen when we're not broadcasting.

-Andrew Abbass

Re:DIY Independent Music Radio (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12533883)

OK, we get the fucking message. Now stop spamming us.

Re:DIY Independent Music Radio (1)

morlock_man (884105) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533894)

I'm just laughing. I check out www.weedshare.com. Anyone can do this an make money from the music, not the advertising. Just apply for a license.

Wireless Radio? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12533868)

Oh sure - like that's ever gonna catch on...

An interesting possibility (1)

zaren (204877) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533876)

One of the only things I really miss about ditching my contract job in Indianapolis and moving back to Michigan was listening to the Big Dumb Show [bigdumbshow.com] on the drive to and from work. If this "radio" could make it easy to grab a chunk of show and listen to it while traveling, it could have potential.

Not yet. (1)

PrivateDonut (802017) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533882)

I doubt it will take off until widespread wifi is installed, until then though it may be relevent in an office environment, where your boss can record some announcement or instructions and you can access those from anywhere in the building or campus.

Re:Not yet. (1)

PrivateDonut (802017) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533891)

to clarify, this will only help if the infrastructure to setup this type of system will be cheaper than giving each employeed portable email readers.

XM is quite horrendous (1)

AIX-Hood (682681) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533887)

I recently bought a new car that was equipped with XM radio and a free 3 month trial. After 1 month in, I'm pretty sure I'm not going to sign up. It's like they didn't get the RIAA contract that the regular stations have. Their general selection of rock and hard rock stations is atrocious. It's all music from artists I've never heard of, and Dokken and Ratt's best hits, although I was unaware they had any. You're really lucky if you manage to catch a top 40 song (in the hard rock genre) on any of their stations; and if it is one, it's just the same track they repeat of that artist every 24 or 48 hours. I'd take the single hard rock station in my area (KROCK 92.3 FM NYC) over all of XM's channels any day of the week. Bring on the alternatives!

Re:XM is quite horrendous (1)

connorbd (151811) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533949)

I think you're a troll. A very subtle troll, but a troll nonetheless. (I got two words for you: "Deep Cuts.")

Re:XM is quite horrendous (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533963)

You're really lucky if you manage to catch a top 40 song (in the hard rock genre) on any of their stations; and if it is one, it's just the same track they repeat of that artist every 24 or 48 hours.

That's what FM/Clearchannel is for.

Nah... (1)

angst7 (62954) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533889)

While it may be nice for around the house, it wouldn't replace XM or Sirius. I got XM when I bought a new Accord a couple months back. It's terrific. I drive 10 miles to/from work and regularly much farther on the weekends. I dont have to worry about loosing stations or reception problems (except under tunnels). WiFi radio isn't suitable for this. Not to mention, if there were that much wireless coverage, what a waste of bandwidth it would be.

Future of radio? nahhh.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12533890)

Clear Channel should get some republican senators
to lobby the FCC to put a stop to this sort of thing...or regulate it ...or something like that.

Choice confuses and frightens people. Industry and conservative government should help give people easier choices.

Re:Future of radio? nahhh.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12533969)

Fortunately for you, I have personal convictions against using "troll", "flamebait", and "overrated" when I mod. If anything, you deserve all three at once but I won't give you the satisfaction. I guess that's the conservative side of me that believes that all people have a right to say what they want - even moronic and ignorant statements like yours.

Digital Audio Radio in the US (2, Interesting)

smilinggoat (443212) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533911)

...why isn't anyone really pushing Digital Audio Broadcast (DAB), like they have in the UK ?

Because DAB is shared across all stations. They take the spectrum and use wavelength division multiplexing and time division multiplexing to spread all of the stations with digital broadcasts across the spectrum. This allows high station density and no problems associated with signal drop out from distance nodes. However, this situation requires cooperation between competitors vying for listeners, something that is nearly impossible to achieve in the fiercly independent business environment of the USA.

The US alternative is Digital Audio Radio (DAR) using In-Band On-Channel (IBOC) broadcasting. IBOC uses a station's existing carrier frequency and puts the digital signal in the low-power extremeties of the carrier as mandated by the FCC. This is not as efficient as DAB because you don't eliminate the issue of signal dropout from fequency nodes, and you may suffer from interference when listening to the analog signal. The good thing is that setup costs are much lower compared to DAB and, as is true with all digital audio radio situations, the digital signal carries further with lower power than analog.

So why isn't IBOC popular? It's not as robust as DAB and there is little incentive for stations to switch. Who has a DAR receiver in their car? Here's hoping that one day this will be a reality.

Re:Digital Audio Radio in the US (2, Informative)

connorbd (151811) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534001)

I think those pushing for digital radio are overlooking the key advantages that analog radio has -- simple equipment, and a massive installed base. There is no point to IBOC on the AM bands, and it's at best a value-added for the FM bands.

well, here's how "alternative" radio works (2, Insightful)

swschrad (312009) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533921)

I used to trade cassettes by mail with a friend for years. did my own collections on cassette for the car -- in fact, with access to broadcast studios and music libraries, in high school I was doing that for the bus trips on debate. currently, I have CDs in the car and my iPod for exercise and work.

now, that's the original alternative radio format, and you control it yourself, all of it, every bit. with shuffle and random play options on most everything except linear tape products, it's truly random (most-played on the 'pod is about the same as top rock radio.)

radio when it works has always been a locally-focussed medium... the jukebox aspect is the filler for the local chatter, news, information, sports, and the like. radio when it doesn't comes off the big bird and you get two drop-in spots at the half hour and can donut the top of the hour.

the point is, none of those guys do what you are used to. it once upon a time was a sure thing to expose you to new venues, music types, and new songs and artists, when you could have beach boys bumped up against patsy cline and followed with the frank chacksfield orchestra and nilsson.

three new songs a week on any top-chart station is all the new you get, and it's all of a sameness.

radio has to get back to local to save itself, and I mean without all the invective of screech radio. until then, I format it myself, which I have done since before I strained the ether with my college radio hour.

May You Live in Interesting Times indeed (4, Insightful)

imperious_rex (845595) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533941)

Given yesterday's Slashdot item about radio [slashdot.org] , the next few years will be an interesting time indeed for the world of radio. Under dual assault from satellite and online, terrestial radio is truly going to take a beating, and it will take more than upgrading to HD radio and offering localalized programming and news bites to staunch the bleeding. If terrestrial radio is to survive, it will have to exercise significantly greater imagination and (pardon the word) innovation than what most radio execs have exhibited so far...

i have an xm radio (1)

u-238 (515248) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533961)

and i only ever use it for the Opie and Anthony show.

i know a very sizeable portion of subscribers are there for the same reason.

and consider how many sirius owners are buying that equipment just for stern, and will likely hardly explore the service after receiving it (which they won't have long to do, because sirius is going down faster than .... something that goes down very fast pending a stupid business decision[see: 1/2 a billion dollars for howard stern + fewer subscribers than xm]).

the market for satellite radio is about 4-5 million big including xm and sirius, relatively small compared to ipod owners and internet radio streaming listeners. and neither sat radio services have eeked out a signifcant presence in the place where it really matters - the auto industry. the furthest it's gotten is xm included in hyundais (http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Bu siness&article=UPI-1-20050323-16064200-bc-us-hyund ai-xm.xml [sciencedaily.com] ), hardly braggable.

Re:i have an xm radio (1)

Desert Raven (52125) | more than 9 years ago | (#12533988)

the furthest it's gotten is xm included in hyundais

XM was an option in my 2003 Avalanche, so GM has been offering it at *least* that long. Easy enough to spot, just look for the GM vehicles with *two* stubby little antennas on the roof (the other is for OnStar).

I'd be willing to bet that XM has been an option for Ford and Chrysler as well...

Re:i have an xm radio (2, Informative)

jerw134 (409531) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534012)

I'd be willing to bet that XM has been an option for Ford and Chrysler as well...

Actually, Ford and Chrysler have partnered with Sirius. I don't know about Chrysler, but Ford doesn't push Sirius at all. You have to get a premium (Mach) radio for it to even be satellite-ready.

Re:i have an xm radio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534020)

the furthest it's gotten is xm included in hyundais

And GM, Ford, BMW, VW, Audi...and probably others that I haven't seen. I didn't know about Hyudai.

Satellite radio has made excellent inroads into the OEM market.

FWIW, I use my XM radio for music and news. I gave up sophomoric radio (O&A, Stern) when I grew up. It doesn't take a genius to be stupid on the radio.

Old Wine in a New Bottle. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12533971)

" It's a Linux based portable internet radio that streams Internet Radio over WiFi. Is this the future of Radio? Given the big push by XM and Sirus , the potential of Podcasting and now the "inFusion", in which direction is mass-audio-broadcast heading? "

I'll say one thing which I'm sure the majority will deny. We like being consumers, regardless of how the goods are delivered, or who's doing the delivering.

The majority of what will be carried by all this new-fangled technology, will not be mass individualism, all banging pots and pans together. But pretty much old wine in new bottles.

Maybe someday the pool will be bigger, and the overall structure will be flatter. But a tool doesn't a talent make. And all the technology hasn't solved the human problem of how to make more artists. Only how to empower the one's you already have.

Some help here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12533975)

"Linux based portable internet radio that streams Internet Radio over WiFi."

From TFA, it's a radio 'receiving' device. It doesn't stream, it receives a stream. It's the appliance nature, like a portable player, that makes it special. connecting to a stream using a laptop over WiFi isn't that big a deal. We were messing around with it a couple of years ago. We couldn't figure out how to do broadcast from the AP's though.

'future of radio'?

Radio need not be real time. Podcasting has a huge delay and it's still seems to be popular based on what I've been reading. The problem with distribution on the internet is cost and at least for radio, the answer is relaying. With most high speed connections offering 256-284kbps upstream it's a little tight as the tree branches very slowly and there's not a lot of room for overhead of people coming on and off line.

RANT ON!
It's being done on purpose. The old line content distributors want to retain control of their provider-consumer model. As soon as the consumers become the providers, the old line guys believe they will be screwed. This it the only reason we have these crappy upstream speeds. Cost is a drop in the bucket compared to what they spend to acquire and keep customers.

The BIG PROBLEM is that there are all sorts of really neat applications for distribution by and for 'the people' that are not being developed in the USA because there is no market so long as the stranglehold on bandwidth exists. IMO these applications would make the overall pie much bigger and the old line guys would benefit along with everyone else. The BIG PREBLEM is that here we have an area that's begging for development and products and the economic gain is going to be realized elsewhere. The development is going to happen elsewhere. Hell, M Powell and the friggin BPL crap is still 'broadcast' mindset. The govt. says USA innovation is important and focus on broad band technology but only form the corporate to consumer POV. What needs to happen is for a mess O folk to write their elected officials and explain what's what about this big economic 'thing' that's not going to happen here and why.

It's not just music. It's video. It's other stuff we haven't thought of yet.

"why isn't anyone really pushing Digital Audio Broadcast (DAB)"

Look at all the trouble getting HDTV through, even with govt. mandates. DAB will be even harder because the difference in quality between FM stereo and DAB isn't enough. Where's the compelling reason? Unlike HDTV, DAB allows more stations in the FM band. The few companies that control most of FM certainly don't want moresegmentation in the markets because it costs more money for catering. They certainly don't want competition.

Re:Some help here (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534084)

The govt hasnt mandated HDTV, just digital broadcasting - ie; 480i, so long as it's digital.

HDTV turned out to be a big, huge, gigantic clusterfuck. Most HDTV devices are fixed-pixel (LCD, plasma, DLP), yet they never nailed down a fixed resolution format. So if you get a native 720P, you're screwed for 540P or 1080i, and so on. I've been looking into HDTV, I have no idea what to get. What's the content going to be in? They say sports and such in 1080i, movies and such in 720P.. But then HD-DVD will be 1080P, so whatever I buy today will be obsolete..

Meh, like I said - a clusterfuck. Now throw EDTV and "HDTV" compatible sets on the pile, that aren't HDTV at all..

I started to try to explain this to a non-techie friend who wanted one of "those big flat TVs that hang on the wall".. Lost cause. Eventually I just shrugged and told him to buy whatever the guy at Sams club was selling - you're going to get fucked either way.

Digital content delivery is a mess. Where we used to have cassettes and CDs (ok, CDs are digital, but my point remains), we now have umpteen zillion audio formats, and umpteen zillion music stores. If I sign up for iTunes, I just know that my favorite band will be exclusively on Napster, and vice versa. In the end I'd be nickel-and-dimed to death by all these services.

So whats my point? Me, a lifelong geek, no longer gives a flying rats ass about the future of "digital media". I'll keep my analog cable, FM radio, and CD player for as long as they continue to work.

yes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534083)

I had an idea similar to this in that it would be so kick ass to cruise around town while listening to my favorite stream on some Linux portable. Sadly total coverage wifi is not here yet.
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