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LUGRadio Live This Summer

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the meet-and-greet dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 87

[vmlinuz] writes "Also picked up on The Register, The Inquirer and Linux Today - with the LUGRadio show getting more and more listeners and attracting guests such as Miguel de Icaza, Mark Shuttleworth, Alan Cox, Seth Nickell and more, the growing fanbase will be able to congregate at LUGRadio Live this summer. The day long event includes speakers such as Ian Bell (co-creator of Elite), Simon Willison, Bill Thompson, Christan Schaller and more. In addition to the speakers, an all day bar, multi-player gaming, mini expo and paintball are in the cards. LUGradio Live takes place on Sat 25th June 2005 in Wolverhampton, UK."

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First post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534438)


Wolverhampton? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534444)

Oh my, why did it have to be on that fucking shithole?

The Rise of the Eurofags (0, Flamebait)

Captain Poopypants (720974) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534601)

As Gregor Samsa awoke one morning from uneasy dreams he found himself transformed in his bed into a Eurofag. He was lying on his bony, as it were effeminate, back and when he lifted his head a little he could see that he was wearing designer silk Prada G-string underwear which was slippery due to the fact that he was covered in K-Y jelly and Baby Oil, and was so uncomfortable that he was about to slide off the bed completely.

What has happened to me? he thought. It was no dream. His early-20th-century Central European bedroom was authentically minimalist, perhaps too much so. Above the simple minimalist table on which a collection of cloth samples was unpacked and spread out -- Samsa was a commercial traveler -- hung the picture of a lady with a fur cap on.

"Fur is murder!" Gregor heard himself blurt out, but he did not even understand its meaning. And again: "Fur is beautiful on animals but ugly on humans!" and "Would you wear your dog?" and "Give fur the cold shoulder!" The voice was his, as were the thoughts -- only the meaning escaped him.

Gregor's eyes turned next to the window, and the overcast sky -- one could hear rain drops beating on the window gutter -- made him think only of getting back to southern Portugal, or to Greece, or to Majorca, all beach vacation destinations which Gregor had no immediate recollection of ever visiting, precisely because he had never been to any of them. And yet the urge to "return" to the beach, and to "catch up on his tan" so that his body would attain the color of burnt pork knuckle, was overpowering, and this cast him into a gloom. "I'm so pale," he heard himself moan.

What about sleeping a little longer and forgetting all this nonsense, he thought, but it could not be done, for he was accustomed to sleeping in his nightgown and in his present costume, wearing only a tight silk Prada G-string, sexually aroused and imagining, to his own horror, what a joy it would be if a gypsy man were to urinate into his mouth, Gregor simply could not relax. However violently he forced himself towards his right side he always felt the pinch of his G-string and the slipperiness from the lubricants, and he rolled onto his back again. He tried it at least a dozen times, shutting his eyes to keep from seeing his shaven white legs, and only desisted when he began to feel a faint sense of irritation and depression which he had never experienced before, along with twitching in his spine, and a sore sinus and a sore nose with dried blood. He was terribly thirsty, and at the same time he felt fatigue and a profound sense of angst.

Oh God, he thought, what an exhausting job I've picked! Traveling about day in, day out. Although it's better than being stuck in an office, which is so alienating and oppressive, with its bourgeois dictatorial rules and spatial techno-totalitarianism. At least as a traveling salesman he was able to constantly move, take the train, see the beautiful countryside, meet so many interesting people, including students, activists, artists, and minorities.

He felt a slight itching on his pubic area; slowly lifted his head so that he could see more easily; identified the itching place, which came as a result of shaving all of his pubic hair, including his scrotum and the tuft which usually lined his anus, and he made to touch it with a hand, but he drew the hand back immediately, for the contact made him want to visit Thailand, where there are many friendly young boys.

He slid down again into his former position. This getting up early, he thought, makes one quite queer. A man needs his sleep. Otherwise I will look awful when I meet my clients, and who knows what interesting, unique Europeans I will meet along the way. Besides, the union I belong to has won concessions reducing the workweek to only 35 hours, while our pay was increased, so what's the point of waking up early? In fact, I am tired of working. It's only because of my overbearing parents that I continue this job. If it wasn't for my respect for their authority and my inner need to follow orders, I would have told off my boss some time ago. Well, once I've earned enough money to pay for a Swatch car and a 6-week trekking tour of Southeast Asia -- that should take another year, given my union wages and the strength of the Euro -- I'll quit for sure. Besides, I'll just collect unemployment, which is more lucrative. And in doing so, I'll cut myself completely loose from my parents. But for now I better get up to catch my train.

He dismissed these increasingly strange lines of reasoning and looked at the alarm clock ticking on the insufficiently-postmodern chest. It was already half past eight. Had not the alarm gone off? He had set it for seven-thirty, yet he could not wake up to anything except for the pulsing sounds of DJ Sven Vath. But what was he to do now? He was late for work, and although he could not legally get into any trouble, he felt that somehow he was not behaving like a proper German. Besides, did his parents not teach him, "Gregor, the thing in life is that you should be an anarchist and fight the totalitarian state until your hairline starts to recede, and then you must work and earn money and wear nice clothes and become obsessed with buying a new car every two years." Did Gregor's parents say this to him, or did someone else's parents say this to someone else?

Maybe he should say he was sick. But that would look suspicious, since Gregor's real desire right now was to pay a "doctor" to visit him in his bedroom and administer an enema, which he would then feed to this "doctor." His parents would not disapprove of this, even though they made him watch their own amateur Scheisse video which they posted on the Internet. What is the Internet? Gregor felt really quite exhausted and depressed, but this was utterly superfluous after such a long sleep, especially considering that the coke he bought was not very clean.

All this was running through his mind at top speed when there came a cautious tap at the door behind the head of his bed. "Gregor," said a voice -- it was his mother's -- "it's a quarter to nine. Are you okay? Should we make preparations with your chief clerk to explain why you will be late?" Gregor had a shock as he heard his own voice answering hers, unmistakably his own voice, it was true, but with a sardonic, effeminate lisp which effused his every word with powerful irony, so that one could not be sure if one was being mocked, or if the speaker really meant what he was saying. Gregor did not want to have this ironic, mocking tone to his voice. He wanted to answer his mother at length and explain everything, but in the circumstances he confined himself to saying, "Whatever, man. It's all meaningless anyway. Oo, that was so profound of me, wasn't it mother?"

The simple minimalist wooden door between them must have kept the change in his voice from being noticeable outside, for his mother shuffled away. Yet the other members of the family were aware that Gregor was still at home, as they had not expected, and his father started knocking, gently at first. "Gregor, Gregor," he called, "what's the matter with you?" And then, in a low, plaintive tone: "Gregor? Aren't you well? Are you needing anything?"

Gregor mumbled, "Yes, some serotonin would be nice," but to his relief his father did not hear him, and he returned to eating his breakfast. But then his sister whispered: "Gregor, open the door." However, he did not consider opening the door, and felt thankful for the habit of locking it to secure his stash, as well as his expensive collection of rare 12-inch dance mix singles.

His immediate intention was to get up quietly without bothering his parents. He threw the quilt off of the bed, although since he was so thin it took a few flings. But the next move was difficult, especially since he was so uncommonly thin, and the G-string pinched him so painfully when he bent. He would have liked to have taken the G-string off, but he looked too sexy in it, and it made him feel good about himself. In fact, it was the only thing that made him feel good about himself. So how would he get up while wearing the silk Prada G-string? He tried to slide to the edge of the bed, but the G-string only pressed uncomfortably against his genitalia. He tried to push himself head-first then back and over, but then he realized that his spiky hairdo, which was so delicate, might flatten out and look too common and bourgeois.

Two strong people -- he thought of his father and the servant girl -- would be amply sufficient to get him out of bed. But then the thought of them excited him, and he wondered to himself, "How I would like to be the servant and to take orders!" Just then the front door bell rang. "That must be a state social worker who is checking to see that my rights are not being trampled upon," Gregor said. But in fact it was the chief clerk himself. What a fate! Wouldn't it have been better to send a social worker, and a civil servant to check the social worker, and a union official, as well as several union activists to check his fate, rather than the chief clerk! Gregor was about to complain himself when he fell onto the floor -- and made a very light thud, like a paper clip falling on carpet.

His sister was whispering to inform him of the situation: "Gregor, the chief clerk's here." "I know," muttered Gregor to himself; but he didn't dare to make his voice loud enough for his sister to hear it, or else she would think he was being ironic and mocking.

"Gregor," said his father now from the left-hand room, "the chief clerk has come and wants to know why you didn't catch the early train. He wants to talk to you in person. So open the door, please. He will be good enough to excuse the untidiness of your room." "Good morning, Mr. Samsa," the chief clerk was calling amiably meanwhile. "He's not well," said his mother to the visitor, while his father was still speaking through the door, "he's not well, sir, believe me. The boy thinks about nothing but his work."

"I'm just coming," said Gregor slowly and carefully. "I can't think of any other explanation, madam," said the chief clerk, "I hope it's nothing serious."

His sister now was crying because he wouldn't let the chief clerk into his bedroom, because he was in danger of losing his job, and because it seemed that Gregor might not be able to buy his clean-fuel-burning Swatch car and trek throughout Southeast Asia.

He meant actually to open the door, actually to show himself and speak to the chief clerk; he was eager to find out what the others, after all their insistence, would say at the sight of him. If they were horrified then the responsibility was no longer his and he could stay quiet. But if they took it calmly, then he had no reason either to be upset. But still he was so slippery from the lubricants which covered him, that he could barely manage to turn the door knob. There was only one way to turn it -- with his ass. Gregor got on all fours, faced the opposite direction from the door, backed his rectum into the door knob, which slid in with ease, and, turning his entire body, managed to affix the door. They should have given him encouragement. They should have said, "Go on, Gregor, keep going, open it with your ass!" He heard the lock click, leapt like a zebra with the doorknob still in his ass, and opened the door as he sprang to the side. When he fell down, a loud popping sound reverberated, and Gregor quickly spun back to the doorway, as if he was ready to dance, when he heard the chief clerk utter a loud "Oh!" His mother collapsed on the floor, while his father knotted his fist with a fierce expression on his face as if he meant to strike Gregor, then backed away, covered his eyes with his hands and cried.

Gregor leaned against the door ironically. The breakfast dishes were out, but he was concerned that some of the food might be genetically engineered. Besides, he wanted to make sure that he could fit into the new Mark Jacobs outfit which he planned to buy on a shopping spree today. His father, without saying a word, pulled down several photographs from the wall of Gregor's father, uncle, grandfather and great-grandfather when they served in the military. Gregor too served as a lieutenant. But now, all he wanted to do was dance at nightclubs and mock how absurd it is that men still kill each other.

"Well," said Gregor, with a heavy irony that he could not mask. "Isn't this just so absurd. Isn't it, ah, so straaaange," and the last word he pronounced with such a large degree of sarcasm and irony that he surprised himself, unaware that he could be this ironic. The irony frightened his chief clerk, who made to leave in haste. "Wait, sir, don't leave yet," he said to his chief clerk. "Certainly one could just be temporarily incapacitated with dance fever. I cannot lose my job. Why give me a week, two at most, and I will return to normal. I am sure that the lubricants on my body are a passing phase, as is my desire to felch you."

The chief clerk's eyes bugged open. Gregor wanted to apologize, but instead, he drawled an ironic, "What is the problem, you are frightened that a man wants to felch you? Gee, let's all just pretend that men really don't want to felch their bosses everywhere. Let's all live a lie, why don't we!"

Gregor was appalled at the words coming out of his mouth. He tried to stop the chief clerk from leaving, but he was so wispy that the clerk, with the slightest push, sent Gregor crashing against a lamp. The chief clerk must be detained, soothed, persuaded and finally won over; the whole future of Gregor and his family depended on it! Gregor did not know how else to stop him -- so he started to dance. He stood in front of the chief clerk, made a rhythmic machine-like sound including "blip" and "bleep," and called on the clerk, "Hey, join my Love Parade, sir! Bip-beep-beep-bip. It's cool, man. Bah-bip-bip-beep-bip. We don't care if you're old, young, whatever. Boo-wa-wa, boo-wa-wa. We're not radical like the 60s generation, we just want to love everyone and to have a good feeling all the time! Bip-beep-beep-bip!"

Just then Gregor slipped and fell on his own lubricating fluid. "Mother! Someone, please help me get up!" He tried to roll onto one side and the other, but was unsuccessful. His mother stood over him, crying. His father fell into a chair crying too. And his sister cried. Gregor was only sad that he could not dance with the chief clerk, who had taken flight. At that moment, he decided that the problem was he was only wearing his Prada G-string. If only I was wearing my Von Dutch truck driver hat, everything would have been fine, he thought.

His father only had one desire. To push Gregor back into his room.

"But father, I just want to dance. It's all about love, father." His father slipped and fell, and he flailed around, now covered in Baby Oil. "Damn it to hell!" yelled his father. "It's the Slavs who did this to you! It's the damn Czechs, the Moravian filth! The Ruthenians, they drink my blood! They feed off our Germany like bacteria! God, give me one artillery shell!" "But no father, all of these ethnic groups bring so much multicultural diversity to our region," Gregor heard himself say. He wanted to agree with his father, but he was incapable of forming the right words. When he tried to say that they should burn down the house where the Jewish family lived down the street, instead he said, "We must never let what happened happen again, father." When he wanted to say that all Slavs were cattle, he said instead, "The price of beer is so much cheaper here than in Berlin." His father could not take it. He swung hard at his son with his fist, but the thick lubricant coating protected Gregor. His father's inability to hurt him only made Gregor feel more guilty. "Father, I will find a part on my body which is not lubricated, and you can strike me there," he said. But his father only became depressed, and sat on the floor with a sullen expression. "We are cursed," he said to his wife. "The nation has been sold to the Jews, the Rhineland is lost, and my son only wants to dance." "Yes father! And with glo-sticks!" His father beamed: "A glo-stick? Is this something that the Fatherland could use to destroy the enemy behind her lines so that we can retake the Alsace and Lorraine?" he asked hopefully. "Father, there is no Alsace and Lorraine. There is only one Europe, and one world. Come on, get into the good feeling, father." But as Gregor said this, he felt increasingly guilty. His father looked at his mother, and they cried. All cried, wondering why they had been so cursed. Gregor wanted to apologize, but he knew that if he tried, it would sound too ironic, so he simply kept his mouth shut. He wanted to feel hatred towards the ethnic groups located closest to his country, but instead he felt mere ironic contempt, mixed with the desire to exchange artworks and music with these neighboring ethnic groups.

Over the next several days, the family learned that Gregor, in his illness, had only one burning desire: to dance at discos and to feel good. Every night he left the house, wearing his Von Dutch truck driver hat, his tight Versace sleeveless shirt and Ferrari Formula One leather jacket, his washed-out jeans with holes in them and his leather Gucci sneakers. But there were no discos. So Gregor wandered the lonely, dark streets, dancing to his own "blip-beep-beep!" sounds, and without remembering how, he returned home every morning slathered in lubricants and oils, feeling very sore.

One night, when Gregor was out, his family was eating dinner. "We must cure Gregor," one of them said. And the next one said, "Yes, we must." "We cannot go on like this." "We will be ruined." "But he is our son." "Yes, he is our son." They devised a plan to cure their son, and to cure their house. The plan was to steal his Ferrari Formula One leather jacket, which would deprive him of the ability to go out and to feel beautiful. But on the night that they were to hatch their plot, Gregor, dressed up and excited, danced around the house, blowing a military whistle. His father tried to ignore it, and his mother cried. Gregor felt guilty, but could not stop himself. Finally, his father asked him, "Why? Why are you doing this to us? Why are you doing this to Germany? What are you, Gregor?" And Gregor answered, "I am Germany of the future, father. You, mother, sister, grandfather, everyone were mistakes. We Germans failed and failed and failed, until I was born, at the end of this century. Now look at me, father. I am harmless. I feel nothing but love and the desire to work. I am ironic, I threaten no one. Everyone laughs at us, but we can dismiss this with a witty and ironic response which has two meanings, one underneath the other. I am Germany, father. So please, come join me."

Gregor then went to bed, and slept wonderfully all night. But in the morning, he woke up and found that he had been transformed into an insect. In fact, he was an insect all along. This strange dream about lubricants and discos and glo-sticks was merely an insect nightmare. And Gregor thought, "Now I have a reason to be grateful. For I am a cockroach, and I will soon die, but at least I'm not an early-21st Century German." And with this he felt his old sense of guilt, pain and despair return, feelings which were so comforting and familiar that he was, at last, able to fall back asleep.

The End

Brilliant!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534616)

That, sir, was a brilliant story!

Rise of the moron moderators (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534881)

Bwahahahaha! Some moron modded him down even though he was already posting at -1...

Re:The Rise of the Eurofags (1)

poolmeister (872753) | more than 9 years ago | (#12541327)

Yeah Cap, good read.

Podcasts and the like.. (3, Insightful)

treff89 (874098) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534446)

.. are a great and effective way to spread Linux etc. by combatting the short attention span of the youth of today.

About "podcasting"... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534587)

I'm sorry, but "podcasting" is quite possibly the gayest sounding word ever. The only other words even remotely close are "blog", "metrosexual", and "meh" (if you can call that a word).

Word Translation
"podcasting" to cast one's pod, i.e. to wave one's dick around
"blog" the sound an asshole makes when you pop your dick out of it really fast, or the sound a fag makes when he pukes up a pint of cum
"metrosexual" "I'm a total fag and everybody knows it but I pretend that nobody knows"
"meh" "I'm a fag who's too lazy to type 'so what?' I also enjoy casting my pod in hairy blog-holes while driving around with my metrosexual life-partner Rafael, so meh to you!"

Please try to refrain from using these words or you may catch "teh gay". Now if you'll excuse me, I have to eat some red meat, drink some hard liquor, do some cocaine, and fuck some bitches.

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534591)

...Slashcode really fucked that formatting up. Then again, what do you expect from a bunch of podcasting metrosexual bloggers who say "meh"?

Re:About "podcasting"... (1)

PremiumCarrion (861236) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534872)

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to eat some red meat
Seems like you just came out of the closet. If you need any tips on Smoking Beef I suggest you chat to the guys over at LemonParty.

Re:Podcasts and the like.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534813)

short attention span? I'm 23 and and.... oh look, a shiny thing....


Re:Podcasts and the like.. (1)

Tore S B (711705) | more than 9 years ago | (#12538473)

...the short attention span of the youth of today.

I take great offence to that remark. As a member of the "youth of today" I can assure you that... ooh, shiny

Is it just me? (2, Insightful)

polysylabic psudonym (820466) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534458)

News for Nerds.

It seems to me that more often than news, slashdot's thing is adverts for nerds.

Not saying it's a bad thing, there's a big grey area between news and adverts in this sort of thing, and hey, I'm here every day reading the stuff.

I'm saying this mainly because I'd never heard of LUG radio before. Now I'm interested.

Damn it "News for Nerds, Ads that bloody well work".

PS Sorry if this comes off as a bit trollish. Its just there's a fine line between news and well targetted advertising.

Re:Is it just me? (2, Insightful)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534473)

Its just there's a fine line between news and well targetted advertising.

On the contrary, there is a very large and very blurred line between news and advertising.

It is well-known what the readership of Slashdot is primarily. Since this event seems to be something that some readers may wish to attend, it is very much news, but it also happens to be advertising. Your mistake is in making the two mutually exclusive.

You might make the argument that this is unacceptably more ad than news, but this is a much more subjective and difficult thing to show.

Re:Is it just me? (1)

mrevell (785204) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534478)

Point taken but, believe me, it's nigh-on impossible getting a story posted on Slashdot :) That's why people like Slashdot, though: it has editorial standards it sticks to.

Re:Is it just me? (2, Funny)

billysara (264) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534525)

And besides, they'll repost the story in a few hours and you'll get slashdotted all over again... ;-)

Re:Is it just me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534506)

"Its just there's a fine line between news and well targetted advertising."

Find out the difference on the LUGRadio Marketing Special!

The Truth behind GNOME. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534460)

The lack of knowledge makes people jump blindly on GNOME. GNOME is an architectual disaster, not to say that only half of the things really work as they should, stuff not quite polished or giving the user the feel of bad implementation. I don't know how people can say it's similar to Windows while it isn't and I wonder how people can say that it's customizable, while it isn't.

I hate people who speak about GNOME like they know all about it but in reality don't know shit. I am dealing with such people nearly every day and it makes me sick. People contradicting themselves when arguing, people saying things they have no real clue about. People that simply suck. People defending GNOME for the sake of it, not willing to listen, not willing to even check out the stuff that was shown to them that suck, not even willing to understand the facts so they can be fixed afterwards. After 6 years with GNOME all this hell matured into a big pile of frustration. GNOME is frustrating, while the idea is good, the people working on it are worth nothing much, because they have no knowledge what they are doing. Not all but the majority of the people do suck. They spent time into patching stuff rather than using the ball above their neck to reconclude whether the architecture they patch makes sense to stay as it is or not. They became usability experts over night and made GNOME become a huge mess for the normal users.

Has anyone ever tried getting serious work done with GNOME ? Ever tried to print 'this page' inside GPDF or EVINCE ? Or have you ever asked yourself why GGV doesn't offer a print dialog ? Have you ever tried copying a full recursive subdir from FTP to your desktop using Nautilus without losing files ? Have you ever tried writing a circular letter with Abiword and trying to use Evolutions addressbook ? Ever tried drawing a computer related graph or UML graph using GNOME programms ? DIA ? No shit.

I find lot of comments quite retarded and disgusting and don't understand why people without any clue give their shit crap comments on /. or People should really spent some time looking at the whole aspects of GNOME, each app, what it does, what it doesn't. And not just watch some pron or listen to ripped mp3 files that's not what business is supposed to do or want to do.

I feel sad that I need to explain this picture [] . Look closer to it. Now look again a bit closer to it.. No.. that's close enough..

This screenshot explains a lot to us. We don't care for the Toolbar structure nor do we care for the Menu structure. We only look at the appearance. Note that this is just one minor example.

We see Toolbars with ICONS only, we see Toolbars with TEXT beneath the ICONS, we see Toolbars with mixed entries as ICONS and TEXT, we see Toolbars which have a drag handle, we see Menu with drag handle, we see Toolbars without drag handle we see Menu without drag handle. Now what does us tell this ? It tells us that there is something wrong if we ask the question "why is this the case ?". We need to ask ourselves what the aim of a Desktop Environment and Developer Plattform is? The aim is to provide a set of bottom libraries (called a framework) for the developers, so they are able to create applications that feel coherent, look the same, work the same, behave the same as in a real environment. Do you want to have your kitchen filled up with different furniture or your living room ? One seat from type Y the other from type Q the other from Z. They simply do look disharmonic. This all with the GNOME HIG in mind then why do we still deal with such a mess ?

Now we need to look a bit closer to it and we figure out that GNOME offers for historic reasons different ways to create Windows. Now imagine this, you are a user and you want for some reason ICONS only on your Toolbar or you want no images in the Menu. You go into the preferences section and select 'icons only' for Toolbars and 'no images' for Menus. After that you realize that 3/4 of the mostly GNOME centric applications are not behaving correctly.

Looking closer to the screenshot you also realize that the Toolbars are not just behaving differently they also are in different sizes (height). I am not saying that such things can't be found on other architectures but I find it quite ridiculous and embarrassing naming GNOME together with MacOS X and even say it's as clean and as aesthetical pleasing as MaxOS X while the above screenshot clearly demonstrates that this is not the case.

I could easily go into deeper detail (e.g. jumping on the full architecture itself) but I keep myself from wasting time here. All in all people should get enough from the screenshot to understand that something ain't right there. If the GNOME hackers would be that skilled then they wouldn't have caused such an irritation as shown there. GNOME is a big construction lot as it is now due it's really offending architecture.

Actually yes these things annoy a regular user and prevents him from getting work done because he starts fiddling around with the desktop components to make it look coherent. The first problem is, and I think people agree with me, is that GNOME is a Desktop Environment and the purpose of a Desktop Environment is to offer coherent, similar looking and working applications.

Now I as user see different types of Toolbars, I go into the GNOME Preferences section and select ICONS only on my Toolbars and I feel irritated that half of the apps don't behave on this rule. I am also irritated that I can drag off some Toolbars and others not.

Now this won't stop me from working with GNOME but this example is just a minor one from the overall stuff found inside GNOME. I don't get my work done correctly inside GNOME because of all these irritations found everywhere. For example I am able to 'print this page' in GNUMERIC and ABIWORD but I am not able to 'print this page' within GPDF or EVINCE not to speak that GGV doesn't offer me a printing dialog to chose from. This is preventing me from getting my work done because I have to stick back to console or gnome-terminal to print exactly the ONE page that I want using cryptic commandline tools.

I also have some issues when trying to copy a large chunk of files + subdirs recursively from an FTP server of my workplace to my homeplace using Nautilus and realize after backup and stuff burned to DVD that half of my files are only having 0 byte sizes.

I am also irritated and not getting my work done properly because I wanted to write circular letters and wasn't able to get my addresses out of Evolution so I can use them within Abiword.

Hell, how was I irritated when I wanted to sort 1000 holiday pictures using GThumb, where I moved some files around in the console and then realized that the matching thumbnails (in the cache and in the .thumbnail dir) doesn't reflect the image contents anymore.

There are plenty of these things, this screenshot only shows one of many issues that can be found in GNOME. For a corporate Desktop that it claims to be it miserabely failed. Simple tasks become a huge issue when addressed.

These issues don't happen under KDE because everything seem to work perfectly with each other. I can even print circular letters, or print 'this page' from within PDF or whatever document even maintain my Images without any issues.

If you haven't been aware of these issues inside GNOME then it's about time you check these issues up yourself more clearly.

Of course not every app has to look identical as the other app, but key components like Toolbars, Windows, obeying on settings set through GNOME control-center, deatachable Drag handles, Printer dialogs, working FTP copy or Fileoperations, should be given and no matter of further discussions. Hey, there is this thing called HIG that no one really gives a flying f* for. These things should simply be as it's intended. So your excuse that it's not required is quite misleading for the fact being that GNOME is a Desktop Environment and already being introduced as a corporate solution.

Compared to the years that GNOME exists, people can't come with the excuse that GNOME 1 has been ported to GNOME 2 etc. since this is already a couple of years ago. Why is the process of offering these functionality going on so slowly ? I thought GNOME has big corporate backup so the process should be faster in this case. GNOME is being introduced as a Desktop to get work done. Nothing really works, everything looks and feels half finished and half backed.

But this is entirely wrong and corporate or paying customers give a flying f* they expect the things to simply work. Not work one day, or look it's going on. They want the trivial stuff to work today and the problems I described are trivial tasks.

Look between GNOME and KDE there is just one year difference and I think that the amount of GNOME and KDE hackers are quite similar but yet the KDE people seem to have achieved far more. The gap between GNOME and KDE is getting bigger and bigger with each day. And right now they are in the middle of the process of porting KDE 3 to KDE 4 and this only with a handful of people. Simple question, why did the KDE people achieve more, better polished, better working and more coherent Desktop ?

oooGalaxyooo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534471)

Please stop trolling /., just because some gnome devs weren't nice to you and GoneMe was such a raving success. []

MOD PARENT UP! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534475)

how true how true.

Yes (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534466)

Profanities all day long and live! :-D

Sounds like a great event.

Troll? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534554)

Wow, obviously the mods never listened to LUG Radio.

Let them improve (0, Troll)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534469)

I have had the chance to listen to LUGRadio but apart from the interview portion, I do not listen to the rest because I fing that they use a lot of distasteful language and also laugh a lot. It it why some people take Linux evengelists to be at the very bottom or near the bottom of the social ladder?

Re:Let them improve (5, Insightful)

mrevell (785204) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534479)

I think you're being a little pessimistic regarding people's view of Linux fans. I believe LugRadio presents a view of FOSS that is rarely seen: i.e. normal people enjoying something they passionately believe in. It's blind zealotry that gives Linux a bad name, not having a laugh.

Re:Let them improve (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534729)

I enjoy LUGRadio but with the great of respect those guys can hardly claim not to be "blind zealots". I've lost count of the number of times they've recommended Ubuntu with no reasoning; and that Distro Wars is just lame. It might be an interesting segment if the opinions were given by people who could actually say something insightful on the subject but it comes off as rather pathetic zealotry. I might agree with them, but they're not
the unbiased consumers they or you seem to think they are.

On this subject, I was quite offended at the last episode I heard where they attempted to conflate the Free Software movement (as opposed to the Open Source movement) with the people Laura Didio claimed where harrassing here. Never mind that Didio may not even be telling the truth in regards to this, lord knows everything else she says has a price, it didn't stop a rabid tirade of abuse against the Free Software movement. Oh and Slashdot got a bad rap too. Can someone please tell that guy that the people who post on Slashdot are many and have a broad range of opinions. (I'm genuinely astonished that it ever needs to be stated that Slashdot has more than two users; do any other message boards have this problem?)

It's a good and enjoyable show, but turn down the fan-boy talk. The show works best when it's used as a forum for developers who can offer something insightful. Endless quarrels regarding Linux distributions and childish interjections about Python not being a proper programming language (??) only spoil its credibililty.

Re:Let them improve (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12536205)

Psst, the guy you're replying to is one of the presenters.

That aside, I think that you're missing the point - the "childish interjections" you refer to are part of what makes it fun to listen to, rather than just another dry tech show.

Re:Let them improve (1)

Perky_Goth (594327) | more than 9 years ago | (#12579398)

look, it's funny as hell. if you take it too seriously, it's your fault.
having said that, i did email them about the Didio thing, and they weren't specificly saying that people shouldn't complain, but that people should not make personal atacks on them anyway, not that she didn't deserve it.
it wasn't even against slashdot, they just worded it wrong. it was even my first episode, so i'm not just a fanboy.
honestly, i don't think they give a fuck about being unbiased, it's just a hobby and don't think that some things are worth arguing.
it's funny, sometimes informative and insightful, and it's free. what ever helps the community, right?


Get Yer Torrents (1)

nother_nix_hacker (596961) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534495)

Re:Get Yer Torrents (1)

hedge_death_shootout (681628) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534516)

Alternatively, unless I'm missing something, you might as well go to the lugradio site for torrents for all the episodes, right up to and including s2e15. not just the random one for season 2 episode 9, given in the link above.

Re:Get Yer Torrents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534531)

The one posted is the link to ep. 15 not 9. Where did you pull that from?

Re:Get Yer Torrents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534730)

filename: lugradio-s2e15-090505-high.ogg.torrent

s: season.
e: episode.

s2e15: Season 2 episode 15.

Go get some better glasses.

Re:Get Yer Torrents (1)

hedge_death_shootout (681628) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534875)

Go get some better glasses.

Believe it or not, anonymous fannybaws, I actually bothered to open it in Azureus, and the contained file (as opposed to the name of the torrent) was the MP3 for s2e9.
Somebody cocked up, then fixed it.

Re:Get Yer Torrents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12535576)

Actually it was pointing to the correct ogg vorbis little fannybaw.

Re:Get Yer Torrents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12537031)

Nope, you can't change a torrent like that. It was the correct one from the start. What actually happend was you read the 9 from the date and then hastily posted. Your a fscking twerp, reading your idiotic previous posts confirms this.

Re:Get Yer Torrents (1)

byolinux (535260) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535194)

er.. that link looks like it's for s2e15, recorded on the 9th of May 2005.

Bill Thompson? (5, Interesting)

BillsPetMonkey (654200) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534529)

What this [] Bill Thompson?

The one that told Linux users to "get real" ?

Re:Bill Thompson? (1)

mrevell (785204) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534551)

Hey, who wants a complete love-in? Conflict is the basis of great drama, etc etc :-D

Re:Bill Thompson? (1)

sparkes (125299) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534717)

you now have a chance to answer back in public, I'm sure Bill knows people will have read his bbc posts and have hundreds of nits to pick but the fact he is attending means he his willing to talk about these points.

Re:Bill Thompson? (1)

zootm (850416) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534721)

What this Bill Thompson?

Yep. Problem?

Re:Bill Thompson? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534752)

He has a little knowledge about the Linux community, and was very slow to jump onboard after criticizing it from the sidelines and likening Linux developers to virus writers.

So if he's now going to claim to be a champion of the Linux community then, yes I have a problem with that.

Don't you?

Re:Bill Thompson? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534858)

I just read the linked article, and he seems completely practical and a linux supporter to boot.

I fear you are one of the people he is describing.

Re:Bill Thompson? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12535163)

He's actually taken down the offending article he published (which is an unusual thing for the BBC to do) in his regular column where he criticized the linux community for DDOS attacks on SCOs webservers.

I know the article used to be there, because I responded to it saying it was twaddle and that the link between SCO DDOS attacks and Linux developers was tenuous to say the least.

As is often the case, journos prefer not to answer to accusations of sensationalist bias. His involvement with LUGRadio is therefore laughable and ironic.

Re:Bill Thompson? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12539944)

Yes, write in the vast majority balanced articles on Linux and the nerds want your head. Perhaps he should have said "Linux ownz M$!!! LOLZ" and you'd be happy or something. Whats laughable is that he does the decent thing: (a) removes his article and (b) is prepared to face the community, and you and people like you are completely automanouvered.

I've long thought that contrary to your criticism its the Linux community at large that prefers to sit on the sidelines throwing shite at people who have done more to promote the availibility of Linux than a few thousand Slashdot posts ever had.

Re:Bill Thompson? (1)

BillsPetMonkey (654200) | more than 9 years ago | (#12544637)

Fair enough. I don't doubt that - Linuxheads are Linux's greatest enemy.

However lets not forget that there are snakes in the grass - some people just get Linux. Others don't, but now they're happy to claim that they did all along ...

Kubuntu and KDE (5, Informative)

JRiddell (216337) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534532)

Although it's not yet listed, I'll be talking about Kubuntu [] and KDE.

Re:Kubuntu and KDE (1, Funny)

sparkes (125299) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534731)

Oohh, I hope you wear something under the kilt for paintball or we could be painting your balls ;-)

Re:Kubuntu and KDE (1)

sparkes (125299) | more than 9 years ago | (#12536438)

Interesting banter between one of the original hosts of lugradio and one of the speakers at the event lugradio live could be scored off-topic.

Another example of how giving modpoints to twats who obviously have not read the story or understand the comments has turned slashdot into a kiddies playground.

sparkes - karma to burn

SCALE Podcast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534561)

The Southern California Linux Expo has a podcast as well. It has great talks from their shows including Larry McVoy, John "maddog" Hall, Kevin Foreman, etc. Subscribe here [] .

Linux Distro War (3, Funny)

zaguar (881743) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534594)

and paintball are in the cards Ah, the possibilities. Linux fanatics versus Linux fanatics - who will win? My money is definately not on Team Gentoo. They will strip down thier guns and fire minature paint balls "to optimize efficiency". /flamebait

Re:Linux Distro War (3, Funny)

billysara (264) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534607)

I suspect in the three days it takes the "optimisation" to occur they'll be rail-gunned to death by someone running debian i386 on a P90... ;-)

Re:Linux Distro War (2, Funny)

lokisan969 (795879) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534647)

geehz! you'll never get it! we, already, have the source for the new lazer-guided highspeed-paintball (cvs-version of course!). it is compiling right now and will be ready at day-X.

Firs7 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534674)

Come as you are (4, Insightful)

sparkes (125299) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534712)

I might fall out of bed and roll into the city centre to say hi ;-)

It's pretty impressive that this thing has come together at all considering it has no corporate sponsorship and is being done for the fun of the event.

Imagine that no corporate interest just a bunch of hackers having fun. It's pre-takeover blues /. again.

Re:Come as you are (1)

rjw57 (532004) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535213)

Now I know the mighty sparkes is coming it is worth making the effort to come!

The Molineux! Urgh! (-1, Troll)

Herbster (641217) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534766)

I'd love to come... but it's at the FUCKING MOLINEUX... and I'm a Baggies fan!
I can't POSSIBLY set foot inside the Molineux unless as part of a mass invasion!

for those of you who have not a clue what I'm on about...
it's football (soccer)... Wolverhampton Wanderers (The Wolves) play at the Molineux Stadium,
but I'm a fan of their local arch-rivals, West Bromwich Albion (The Baggies)... it's quite a severe but relatively good-natured rivalry.. still...

Re:The Molineux! Urgh! (1)

sparkes (125299) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534776)

Oh, bad luck Herbster, see you next year ;-)

If your post confused people this one (from a Wolves fan) certainly will.

Re:The Molineux! Urgh! (1)

Herbster (641217) | more than 9 years ago | (#12534804)

Hey... it ain't over quite yet son ;)

Re:The Molineux! Urgh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12537666)

Looks like you spoke too soon ;)

Re:The Molineux! Urgh! (1)

sparkes (125299) | more than 9 years ago | (#12540651)

ahh, you buggers. Now I have to change my ringtone from the Great Escape!

A question of Nomenclature (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534945)

So if I like it, does that make me a LUG nut?
But if I find it jarring then the sensation would be a LUG Wrench.

Sorry but I'm an uncureable punnster, I just had to LUG those two out.

why is this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12534980)


Linux Link Tech Show (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12535126)

There is a much better Linux show out there. The Linux Link Tech Show []

rms was on it the other day, and its always live streaming on binrev radio []

the linux link is 3 or 4 guys from some lug somewhere that enjoy doing what they do. (no paid)

the Lug radio guys are paid for what they say, and even canceled their show because they didnt get enough money.

Re:Linux Link Tech Show (1)

mrevell (785204) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535310)

Can someone mod this troll down? We aren't paid for the show, we do it because we enjoy it and because the FOSS communities need a variety of media to be healthy. The Linux Link Tech Show is certainly worth a listen, though.

Re:Linux Link Tech Show (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12536059)

"the Lug radio guys are paid for what they say, and even canceled their show because they didnt get enough money."

You're thinking of The Linux Show [] . Completely different to LUGRadio.

Re:Linux Link Tech Show (1)

danns23 (734425) | more than 9 years ago | (#12536782)

As pointed out, wrong show. LUGRadio is fantastic. I know they don't get paid for this, but I am sure it costs them some money.

There are a lot of great Linux and FOSS radio/podcast shows out there. So if LUGRadio is not your bag, try LQRadio, The Linux Box Show, LinuxLog, TLLTS, or keep on searching. Don't forget DDP Hack Radio and Hackermedia! More are popping up every month. Each one is created with a little love inside.

Re:Linux Link Tech Show (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12537202)


sorry for my english but I'm not english spoken.

However I listen both of you. I think that the lugradio is better on making interviews because they know before which questions to ask and there are no embarassing silence moments. Also they have less audio technical problems and they don't talk so much about ogg format or things that are not strictly linux related.

While I like the fact that you talk slower (as I said above my english is very poor and for me is easier to understand). While the lugradio guys speak very fast and laugh a lot while someone is still talking, also everyone of them has a different wierd accent....and if I'm not wrong you can also hear animals noise in the background.

...ah I purchased on amazon all the linux link tech show episodes, but I received this: 1M3MYI/qid=1116183630/sr=8-2/ref=pd_csp_2/002-3501 078-0733646?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846 []

Re:Linux Link Tech Show (1)

gg3po (724025) | more than 9 years ago | (#12549216)

Are you the same "Dan" that I hear on TLLTS? Keep up the good work. I actually like The Linux Link Tech Show even more than Lug Radio, since you guys don't all talk at the same time.

moD 0p (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12535152)

OpenBSD, as the volume of NetBSD TheFi8 parting that has lost

mo3 @down (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12535299)

and abroad for are juBst way over FrreBSD's project faces a set beyond the scope of

why isn't it downloadable (1)

Barryke (772876) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535329)

Maybe its just me, but the whole podcast thing is juts so 'blowfish alike'

Isn't it just 'downloading music to your usb/mp3-stick'?

Never knew that it could be made so complicated :S
Why don't they just hand over the mp3 over at the site??? (besides the rss thingy)

Re:why isn't it downloadable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12535440)

It is downloadable. See the "download now" box.

Re:why isn't it downloadable (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12536037)

They do. "Podcasting" isn't actually anything to do with iPods or any other sort of portable music player; it's just an audio file tied to an RSS feed. But you can download it normally as well.

Oh, that LUG! (0, Troll)

veganjay (244303) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535359)

At first I thought the article was about: []

Lesbians Until Graduation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12538177)

Actually that other type of LUG show would probably be a lot more interesting!

FYI (2, Informative)

isny (681711) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535610)

It's pronounced "Lug rah-dee-o". Brilliant show. Oh, and it's not profanity, it's "language".

nice change of pace (3, Insightful)

maryjanecapri (597594) | more than 9 years ago | (#12535765)

i've been using Linux for about 10 years now. when i first started using it it was still an underground underdog scrapping to get a little attention. well 10 years later it has all the attention it needs but much of it the likes of so the majority of attention it gets these days is geared towared the business sect. so it's quite nice to hear people chatting up linux on multiple levels AND hear a bit of the old attitude creeping back into it. i'm sorry but watered-down, business-suit linux is nothing more than microsoft without the unpredictable software. i say more of this. i say Linux TV. i say let's bring back the days when was a real strong dream and a place where linux users could go and get help. don't get me wrong - i love the fact that big businesses are supporting linux. but that big money doesn't mean linux has to shed it's underdog attitude where you couldn't see a linux ad without the words "world domination" somewhere in the ad. i think the linux community should approach G4 TV and tell them they need to start a Linux TV show. hell, i'm an actor, maybe i'll pitch them the idea.

LUG lugs (2, Interesting)

fm6 (162816) | more than 9 years ago | (#12536049)

I downloaded the LUGRadio show where they interviewed Miguel de Icaza. I was less than impressed by the insight of the LUG guys. They seemed to think that any project which might rely on Mono or .NET could just as easily be done in Python!

Re:LUG lugs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12536316)

Perhaps you'd explain which projects cannot?

Re:LUG lugs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12549150)

I think they're right. Can you prove otherwise?

No info (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12536576)

I love how Slashdot blurbs automatically assume everyone knows everything. WTF is "Elite" and why should I be impressed that the creater of it, whatever it is, is going to be in the UK for a day at some point in the future?

Elite = what Slashdot editors think of themselves

Re:No info (1)

mrBen (259816) | more than 9 years ago | (#12537469)

Elite was the quintessential game for 8-bit computers in the 80s. It was a 3d space-trading game that wasted away many a youth.

Re:No info (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12561495)

What! You do not know Elite! Shit, seems like I am getting really old...

LUGRADIO is awful: Here's why... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12536891)

LUG Radio is pathetic. A bunch of Ubuntu fanboys (I love Ubuntu, btw) badmouthing everything else.

They are ignorant and full of shit. Among their brilliant suggestions was to rewrite the WHOLE of kde in python or C#.

Not to mention that I hate loud self-absorbed, self-important wankers, especially, the guy that always goes (BUT, BUUUUUUUUUUUT, bear in mind).

Fuck them. This people give Linux a bad name, particularly when they take every chance to badmouth RMS, because he has really contributed very little. Well, what have these idiots contributed?

Nothing. Noise pollution.

Re:LUGRADIO is awful: Here's why... (1)

mrBen (259816) | more than 9 years ago | (#12537448)

eh what? They never suggested that the whole of KDE should be written in Python or C#.

I'll also think you'll find that all 4 presenters have contributed a significant amount into the Linux community before LUGRadio ever existed.

Re:LUGRADIO is awful: Here's why... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12540072)

> They never suggested that the whole of KDE
> should be written in Python or C#.

They did!

> I'll also think you'll find that all 4
> presenters have contributed a significant
> amount into the Linux community before LUGRadio
> ever existed.

I don't know any of these wankers until I liked the above link. Who the fuck are these idiots and what did they contribute ?

Re:LUGRADIO is awful: Here's why... (1)

mrBen (259816) | more than 9 years ago | (#12541060)

OK - for the record there was:

1. A suggestion that KDE had become overbloated and that maybe a lighter version was needed. The suggestion of a rewrite was shot down in flames on the show, and no mention was made of the language in which to do said rewrite.

2. The suggestion about using Python in the core of a DE was a sarcastic remark in a conversation about GNOME looking to support development in high-level languages.

Jono Bacon has been around in Linux-related media for ages; most Linux magazines have had work by him, and he has most recently released Linux Desktop Hacks [] which he co-edited with Nicholas Petreley - but you've probably never heard of him either.

Stuart Langridge (aka Aq) has been around the web development scene for a while; he wrote DHTML Utopia []

Need I go on? I think not - all out of troll food.

good stuff... (1)

sucati (611768) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553338)

I gave this a listen and found it to be quite good, although I think they think some of their humor (actually humour) is funnier than it really is. Anyhow, anyone know of any other good technology related podcasts?
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