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Mac OS X 10.4.1 Is Out

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the apple-polishing dept.

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MrBadbar writes "Software Update just informed me that an update to Mac OS X (10.4.1) is now available. The updates include mail, address book, dashboard widgets, Safari, iLife, and other miscellaneous fixes. At this rate, it's only about 18 more weeks until 10.5."

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Installed fine here... (1, Interesting)

byolinux (535260) | more than 9 years ago | (#12549687)

No noticable problems. Has anyone heard of a 'grinding' noise problem with powerbook g4s (less than a year old) though?

Re:Installed fine here... (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12549767)

my powerbook's hard drive started grinding horrendously a couple of hours after upgrading to tiger. i erased my drive and did a clean install, but the problem persisted, and it kept locking up several times an hour. apple tech support told me to zero my drive and start over, but it crashed 3/4 of the way through the zeroing process, and now my drive will no longer mount.

good thing i had cloned my system to my fw drive right before installing tiger the first time... but my powerbook is going to have to be sent off for a couple of weeks to get the drive replaced.

shame i didn't wait until 10.4.1...

- california geek girl

Re:Installed fine here... (1)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 9 years ago | (#12549804)

good thing i had cloned my system to my fw drive right before installing tiger the first time... but my powerbook is going to have to be sent off for a couple of weeks to get the drive replaced.

shame i didn't wait until 10.4.1...

That sounds like a regular old hardware failure waiting to happen. You just expedited the drive dying by installing a lot of new files all over the disk. By the way, why on earth do you think it'd take a couple of weeks? I sent my iBook off to Apple to get the logic board replaced and had it back by the end of the week. Their laptops are nice since they ship you the packaging and you just slip it in the sleeve, fill out the manifest sheet, close up the box with the tape strips they provide, and take it to (at the time) Airborne Express.

Re:Installed fine here... (1)

Cmdr TECO (579177) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550085)

A friend of mine has had to send a top-o'-the-line 17" Powerbook in for service more than once. Last year, it was "lost" after repair. Just today, she found out her machine was "lost" again. Apple UK and/or their chosen courier appear to have a slight theft problem. (From here, it looks like the entire UK has a slight theft problem, but that's another story.) It might sound great to get a "free" upgrade every year or two, but she has to travel, and Apple doesn't provide loaners.

Re:Installed fine here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12550877)

So what's the moral of the story? Don't buy Apple?

Theft happens, but US overnight services are 99.9% reliable. Don't use secondhand horror stories (from Europe, at that) to spread your FUD.

Re:Installed fine here... (1)

byolinux (535260) | more than 9 years ago | (#12552611)

I'm in the UK, and when I bought my 17 inch PowerBook (since sold), it initially arrived with a damaged screen, and over the period of about 7 weeks, Apple sent several replacements, all of which were stolen by their courier company. They seem to have changed now, as my copy of Tiger was delivered by TNT, not Initial. I'm not sure which company was actually stealing the things.

Re:Installed fine here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553153)

By the way, why on earth do you think it'd take a couple of weeks? I sent my iBook off to Apple to get the logic board replaced and had it back by the end of the week. Their laptops are nice since they ship you the packaging and you just slip it in the sleeve, fill out the manifest sheet, close up the box with the tape strips they provide, and take it to (at the time) Airborne Express.

i'm studying in the UK at the moment, and the nice irish man at apple UK tech support informed me that the entire turnaround process takes up to 2-3 weeks over here. :( i just got the box, it's from UPS.

i'm glad at least applecare is global for portable computers :)

-california geek girl

Re:Installed fine here... (2, Interesting)

bobinabottle (819829) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550008)

Interestingly enough, this happened to me also in my 3yr old powerbook. When I installed Tiger i zeroed the disk before hand and after installation and so forth the hard disk drive would make these crunching and clicking noises. I'd had a few minor problems prior to this and it was zeroing the disk that put it over the edge.

I ended up replacing the hard disk myself (warranty expired long time ago) and I was amazed at how the computer was even still booting off that disk - when I took it out and shook it i could hear parts floating around in there like the disk heads were literally hanging off.

Note that this really doesn't have anything to do with tiger - its a hardware failure (if your problem is the one I was having).

Re:Installed fine here... (1)

Megane (129182) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550478)

Some laptop hard drives make noise when you shake them even when they're new. In particular, slowly flip one over and it will make a click noise at some point along the way.

Re:Installed fine here... (5, Informative)

skingers6894 (816110) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550404)

I installed 10.4.1 update without incident.

BUT I had a problem earlier with a grinding noise in the hard-disk area on my powerbook.

Turned out to be that the hard disk was faulty.

IDE type Hard drives have an area of space reserved for "reallocating" bad sectors. If your disk is really bad this area will fill up. When there is no more space left to reallocate to you will get a SMART error.

Click on "About this Mac", click "more info" and select your drive from the ATA section. You will see the SMART status there.

If you get this then you need to replace the drive.

I ended up replacing my drive with a 7200RPM Momentus - MAN I'm happy the old one died now!

Re:Installed fine here... (4, Funny)

nacturation (646836) | more than 9 years ago | (#12551009)

IDE type Hard drives have an area of space reserved for "reallocating" bad sectors. If your disk is really bad this area will fill up.

Right, and when it fills up, everything overflows and the loose bits sit on the bottom of the hard drive case... that's why you hear the grinding noise.

Re:Installed fine here... (1)

skingers6894 (816110) | more than 9 years ago | (#12551040)

Correct. The best thing to do is gather those bits in a plastic bag and sprinkle them on your new drive when you get it.

Go to Disk Utility and click "Import left over bits from plastic bag"

Re:Installed fine here... (1)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 9 years ago | (#12551166)

Yes, mine had this problem, but only when the system was plugged into the wall. Open up Energy Saver and try setting processor speed to automatic instead of highest.

Re:Installed fine here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12552123)

Mine did the grinding noise too and then it died - just like this: http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/hdfailure. ars [arstechnica.com] (except that mine mine was still in warranty and the smart status didn't say anything).

Backup everything while you can.

A couple of notes (5, Insightful)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 9 years ago | (#12549690)

First of all, Mac OS X 10.4 has been complete since March 28. So while it wasn't released until April 29, Mac OS X 10.4.1 has been in development for over six weeks.

Second, Mac OS X 10.4.1 completely fixes the the widget auto-installation issue by adding widgets to the items that Safari prompts for before a download is complete. You will now receive a notice:

"(file) is an application. Are you sure you want to download the application (file)?"

...including when Safari is in its default state, i.e., "Open 'safe' files after downloading" is enabled. This issue is now completely mitigated, as no item can be downloaded or installed without the user's express knowledge and permission. Therefore, this issue is now closed.

Re:A couple of notes (5, Insightful)

jdb8167 (204116) | more than 9 years ago | (#12549823)

Mac OS X 10.4.1 completely fixes the the widget auto-installation issue

I can confirm this. I would disagree on the "completely" but it is certainly good enough for now. It would be better if you couldn't override existing widgets and even better if Apple supplied an advanced button that allowed me to control the sandbox that is built in to Dashboard. As it stands now, Apple has a working sandbox with various levels of security which is completely useless because it isn't exposed to the end user. What is the point of having a AllowFullAccess boolean if the developer can add it without any controls by the user?

Also, do you know if this fixes the 1GB sparse image problem? I see a HFS resource fork issue vaguely mentioned in the developer release notes but I have no idea if that is the sparse image problem or not.

Re:A couple of notes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12551112)

Why the hell would you copy the post of piracy of the macnn forums and not give him credit? Totally not cool.

Re:A couple of notes (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12552144)

"This issue is now completely mitigated, as no item can be downloaded or installed without the user's express knowledge and permission. Therefore, this issue is now closed."

You sound like a Microsoft exec :) Except Macs are marketed as SO EASY TO USE and SO AWESOME. Keep on sucking your own dicks, Mac users. You kick so much ass you really should suck your own dicks :P Damn man I can't even see your eyes your fucking nose is so high in the air :P

SMB no change (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12549787)

Updated to 10.4.1 and I still cannot access my lovely debian server from my tiger machine.

Re:SMB no change (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12549870)

You ment lonley? :)

Re:SMB no change (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12549972)

They 'meant' 'lonely'.

Re:SMB no change (4, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550061)

Did you fill out a bug report. This is a big issue and I put in a bug report about it. If more people place in a bug report about it maybe they can fix it quicker. For the short term I am using NFS to connect to the files I need but I really need SMB soon. Lucally for me I don't need my Mac to get my work done. But it makes it a lot more efficient when I have it.

Re:SMB no change (1)

olcrazypete (592916) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550712)

I've been connecting to my debian machine via samba just fine with 10.4. I'm running unstable, samba version 3.0.14a. P

Re:SMB no change (3, Informative)

Squozen (301710) | more than 9 years ago | (#12551142)

I can access both my Debian boxes fine from my Mac. Didn't change a thing after a clean install except specify the correct workgroup in the Directory Access app. I'm not even sure if I need to do it or not, but everything works and I'm fine with that.

Have you checked your logs to see why Samba is failing?

Re:SMB no change (2, Informative)

jamie (78724) | more than 9 years ago | (#12551236)

Hm. Works for me. Debian stable running a stock samba, mounted in Tiger from the regular old Network pane of the Finder. Only real change I made to /etc/samba/smb.conf was to bump SO_SNDBUF and SO_RCVBUF from 4096 to 65536.

Re:SMB no change (1)

jamie (78724) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553525)

And I should add, that's on 10.4.0. I haven't installed 10.4.1 yet.

What are you doing? (1)

kaiwai (765866) | more than 9 years ago | (#12552174)

Not to sound negative, but I'm mounting and unmounting Windows XP shares all day without so much of a problem. If there are problems, I'd say it has more to do with configuration issues at the Debian end, because quite frankly, if there were something to go wrong, it'd be between Windows XP and SAMBA, not between one SAMBA server and another.

Then again, like someone else mentioned, why not use NFS? if you've got Windows XP Pro machines, why not chuck services for UNIX on, and mount the NFS shares?

Re:What are you doing? (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 9 years ago | (#12555223)

So why would all these untouched Samba systems running fine for years (with OS 10.1, 10.2, 10.3) just happen to be misconfigured the same day you install OS 10.4 I for one didn't change any setting sience then. And neither did the company. I call that an OS X bug. Espectially if it has been working and still is working fine for all other OS's except for 10.4, There may be a configuration in Samba to get it to work. But I shouldn't have to, and risk breaking all the other OS's connection. It is a 10.4 problem that doesn't support whatever configuration that we are usings.

Re:SMB no change (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 9 years ago | (#12552521)

Updated to 10.4.1 and I still cannot access my lovely debian server from my tiger machine.

I have the same problem accessing my FreeBSD samba server (well, maybe - mine just sits there "Connecting..." forever).

Interestingly enough, the RHEL samba server sitting right next to it works fine...

Re:SMB no change (1)

tf23 (27474) | more than 9 years ago | (#12552841)

Maybe you should switch distro's? ;) for me, 10.4 connects just fine via smb to Fedora Core3 and/or Win2k3SVR.

Re:SMB no change (5, Informative)

tyagiUK (625047) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553148)

I had problems connecting to my Samba server running on Debian when I first installed 10.4.

It appears as though 10.4 requires the password exchange to be encrypted, so in the smb.conf file:

; encrypt passwords = false

(note the semi colon).

I used to run plaintext passwords with 10.3 for some reason. I think it was because 10.3 didn't like encrypted password exchange with Samba, but I may be mistaken (poor memory).

Well let's hope that this will fix, (1, Troll)

famouswhendead (771397) | more than 9 years ago | (#12549815)

Some weird things that I've heard of:
Unable to boot and being dropped to safe mode,
Having to reset QT by changing the international sys prefs,
Using update and still losing ll your settings etc.
Sidenote: FCP5 should be here too now and working properly if this is out.

What's new video-wise? (1)

corradokid (690380) | more than 9 years ago | (#12549847)

Software Update mentions ATI and nVidia driver updates, but the Apple KB URL doesn't mention it at all (I was hoping for specific details... as in if Quartz 2D Extreme has been enabled.) ?

Re:What's new video-wise? (4, Informative)

bitpart (711523) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550235)

Nope. Still not enabled, as the Quartz Debug Tools menu shows: you still need to manually enable it.

Re:What's new video-wise? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12551245)

Can you force Quartz 2d extreme to be enabled at login?

Re:What's new video-wise? (1)

bitpart (711523) | more than 9 years ago | (#12551509)

Yep. [macosxhints.com]

Stability Issues (2, Interesting)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 9 years ago | (#12549913)

I've experienced quite a few stability issues since upgrading to Tiger, all of which have required me to manually reboot. Hopefully this update will fix whatever that is.

Additionally, Tiger occasionally turns off the function and volume keys on certain powerbooks. This has been confirmed by several users and does not appear to be fixed in the update.

Sigh.......

Wireless reception lower (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12549962)

Everything else seems to be running smoothly after the update, save my wireless reception. The signal strength display is lower, but I can't check the distance in the backyard until the rain is past to be certain.

Re:Wireless reception lower (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550039)

Well lets see if the connection is more reliable. I have a linksys router and I always had loose connection with 10.4 every 20 minutes or so.

Re:Wireless reception lower (1)

CaptainPinko (753849) | more than 9 years ago | (#12551591)

I had a similar problem after updating the driver on either my router or on my tablet pc... what it turned out was that authentication had been turned on one of them (can't remember which) and everytime it tried to authenticate after connection it would disconnect. Since it's not a windows specific issue but a protocol issue take a look if the patyc changed any settings or something.

Re:Wireless reception lower (5, Informative)

kegger64 (653899) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550415)

Your signal strength isn't any lower with Tiger. The AirPort signal strength indicator has actually been retooled to show, not the signal strength, but the speed of the connection. This is a change from Panther.

I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12549989)

I'm not getting updates for tiger

Mail Imap is signicantly faster. (1)

tyrione (134248) | more than 9 years ago | (#12549999)

Having over 8,000 mails via LyX or say over 10,000 mails for Cocoon developer/user list updating is much improved.

Re:Mail Imap is signicantly faster. (2, Interesting)

bobinabottle (819829) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550045)

Speaking of mail..

Mail.app now doesn't support the httpmail plugin [sourceforge.net] .

Again.

Just after it was updated.

How annoying.

Re:Mail Imap is signicantly faster. (1)

supermarsupial (773564) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550101)

I just reinstalled httpmail plugin 1.44, and it works fine.

Re:Mail Imap is signicantly faster. (1)

Gogo Dodo (129808) | more than 9 years ago | (#12551223)

The bundle probably got disabled.

The disabling of Mail bundles is documented in the release notes under the Mail and Address Book section:

Resolves a potential issue in which Mail could unexpectedly quit, stop responding, or fail to import your previous emails if third-party software were installed in a ~/Library/Mail/Bundles or /Library/Mail/Bundles--this update prevents previously-installed plug-ins from loading. (Click here [apple.com] for more information.)

GPGMail 1.1 no longer tiger compatible (2, Informative)

artoffacts (850560) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550019)

The gpgmail 1.1 bundle seems to have broken under 10.4.1. It was working nicely under 10.4.

~/Library/Mail/Bundles/

seems to have been renamed to:

~/Library/Mail/Bundles (Disabled)/

A warning dialog box is displayed notifying you that the bundle is no longer supported the first time you start up Mail under 10.4.1

Re:GPGMail 1.1 no longer tiger compatible (1)

Large Green Mallard (31462) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550245)

If you had gpgmail installed under 10.3 and upgraded to 10.4, mail.app wouldn't work at all. I suspect they're probably trying to avoid this sort of thing happening in the future.

Re:GPGMail 1.1 no longer tiger compatible (3, Informative)

Gogo Dodo (129808) | more than 9 years ago | (#12551207)

The disabling of Mail bundles is documented in the release notes under the Mail and Address Book section:

Resolves a potential issue in which Mail could unexpectedly quit, stop responding, or fail to import your previous emails if third-party software were installed in a ~/Library/Mail/Bundles or /Library/Mail/Bundles--this update prevents previously-installed plug-ins from loading. (Click here [apple.com] for more information.)

Re:GPGMail 1.1 no longer tiger compatible (2, Informative)

eske (211780) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553385)

plz go to the gpgmail homepage http://www.sente.ch/software/GPGMail/English.lproj /GPGMail.html [sente.ch]
or just do this:
(from homepage)
GPGMail & 10.4.1
MacOS X 10.4.1 will automatically disable all Mail bundles when encountering them the first time. To re-enable GPGMail (which works fine with 10.4.1), you need to:

* Quit Mail
* In Finder, rename folder $HOME/Library/Mail/Bundles (Disabled) back to $HOME/Library/Mail/Bundles.
* In Terminal, type:

defaults write com.apple.mail EnableBundles 1
defaults write com.apple.mail BundleCompatibilityVersion 2

* Relaunch Mail

VPN clients still broken (1)

kngfisher (777873) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550029)

Well I thought they were supossed to fix the compatability between and the VPN cleints with this patch...I guess they forgot. I guess I will have to wait till the vendor gets time with apple to fix this issue (unable to even install CheckPoint secureClient with 10.4.x)

No, not quite... (5, Insightful)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550314)

"They" (Apple) weren't supposed to fix anything having to do with VPN clients in 10.4.1.

Making VPN clients work with 10.4.x is completely up to the vendors, and all vendors have had all the information and everything they have fundamentally needed, from a developer standpoint, to make their clients work with Tiger since *last June*.

There is absolutely no reason all of the VPN client vendors shouldn't have had their clients out on April 29 alongside Tiger. Any feigned surprise on their part, or finger pointing at Apple, is completely bullshit. Yes, Tiger changed how things work which "broke" the old clients. But they've also had almost a year to fix it.

Re:No, not quite... (3, Informative)

McBainLives (683602) | more than 9 years ago | (#12554168)

Cisco released an update (4.6.03.0160) on 5/13, but be aware that it's for single-processor configs only. Check out http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/ 12696 [versiontracker.com] for some initial reactions.

Re:VPN clients still broken (1)

mousehouse (610712) | more than 9 years ago | (#12552695)

Cisco released their updated VPN client May 12th. It still doesn't support multi-cpu systems but at least it works on 10.4...

Differences! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12550037)

After seeing this page - http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106 695 [apple.com] I can't resist comparing the update procedures of Apple and Microsoft. MS WindowsUpdate "Just Works". No hassles - Enable/Disable Built-in ethernet (that sure was pathetic), sort out the dependencies and run updates until you or the machine dies, Check if update software itself is uptodate, No server busy messages no nothing. (I updated 10 machines for XP SP2 during peak time - all went flawlessly).

FUD'ly AC (1)

dmarcoot (96402) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550170)

that was the "Troubleshooting Automatic Software" page. It is to be used if something doesn't work, not to be confused with actual update procedures to be fair, you would have to give similar info for Windows. But that wasnt your intention.

Nice FUD. let me give you software update procedures for OS X10.4.1. Click on Software Preferences in Dock. Click On "software update" Check for Update. Install update.

Yeah, sure was a hassle

Re:FUD'ly AC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12550232)

Now show me the MS Document on "Trouble Shooting Windows Update" which says to enable the "built-in ethernet" for update to succeed. WTF? Why can't it just use the available connection to internet? And am far too pissed off with "Server Busy? errors to comment on it - I am yet to encounter one with MS. Enough CRAP.

Re:FUD'ly AC (1)

xen0side (612067) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550618)

I don't usually respond to such obvious flame bait... but does your mom make you wear a helmet before you go on the internet? Go to the apple menu, select software update, and install update. That is all. No messing with network settings. I agree... enough CRAP.

Re:FUD'ly AC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12550659)

May be your mom makes you eat Bill's shit so you don't find it bad to eat Steve's? My friend shit is shit - may it be bill or may it be Steve. Understand that and you will no longer have to eat it.

Re:FUD'ly AC (2)

dmarcoot (96402) | more than 9 years ago | (#12552199)

and you think your a IT pro, having updating 10 windows machines, but apparently on your first OSx update you had a problem, and you then immediately post to Slashdot , but as anonymous coward and think you have any credibility in your post implying windows is systematically easier, regardless of security flaws, by posting a article for people who fucked up their installation? yeah, your Kung Foo is the best!

your are a child updating your High school lab arent you?

Re:FUD'ly AC (4, Funny)

vought (160908) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550621)

I'll do you one better:

1. On the Apple menu, choose Software Update
2. If updates are available, click Install.

Boy howdy, that Windows Update sure is easy in comparison. "You MUST install Direct X 9 separately from everything else, reboot seventy-eleven times, and dance backwards across the carpet while holding a DDR 2700 DIMM...."

Re:FUD'ly AC (5, Funny)

GaryPatterson (852699) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550883)

... and from VirtualPC, you have to do that while standing upside down on one hand, with Yoda on one foot banging you with a stick while you try to balance rocks with your mind. ... and then your X-Wing sinks. I hate it when that happens.

Or try automatic updates. (-1, Troll)

Perdo (151843) | more than 9 years ago | (#12552140)

Select auto updates.

Never touch it again.

Never have your firewire drive get wiped by updates.

Never pay $129 for a point release.

Hmm, DX9.

Interesting you would mention DX9.

What does DX9 do for a PC?

Well, DX9 is an API that allows games to run.

Wouldn't it be nice if gaming on a mac was just a reboot away?

Take heart. Xbox 360 is 3 G5 PPCs, so perhaps Mac will have a DX equivalent eventually... with a reboot.

Perhaps it will be a "mac upgrade" Where you throw your mac in the trash and buy a new one.

I know, I'm going to burn in hell for speaking such blasphemy.

Re:Or try automatic updates. (1)

dmarcoot (96402) | more than 9 years ago | (#12552308)

that wasn't even worthy of a troll.

gee, wonder why M@ and Sony both choose IBM?

maybe its platform of future? at least Mac users can look fwd to 3.2 HGZ IBM PowerPc (that RISC to all you WinDOZE trolls) multi core chips BY NOVEMBER as will M$.

i guess m$ finally has given up on the PC for gaming by your logic.

btw, look at Sony PS3 (not 360) specs and cry.

sony understands future of HD. as does Apple. MS is DOOMED! (required troll hyperbole)

Re:Or try automatic updates. (1)

dmarcoot (96402) | more than 9 years ago | (#12552315)

as first strike against the grammar Nazi's, try drinking 1.5 pints of vodka at 4 am and posting anything that articulate

Re:Or try automatic updates. (1)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553984)

XP was a point release. 5.0 (Windows 2000) -> 5.1 (Windows XP).

But it's just semantics. Apple uses a nice, consistent versioning scheme.

a.b.c where:

A = Complete OS, possibly breaks compatability with A-1

B = Major OS, significant new features

C = Update OS, bug and security fixes (generally referred to as a point release)

Windows has gone from 3.1 -> 5.1 but you'd never know it from their brand names. They haven't really made an "A" revision since Win3.1->Win95, although Longhorn will be one. MS's equivilent to OS X.

Re:FUD'ly AC (1)

dmarcoot (96402) | more than 9 years ago | (#12552267)

sorrry, after OS 9, i forgot thier was a Apple Menu ;):

Re:Differences! (2)

GaryPatterson (852699) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550218)

So you think there should be no troubleshooting notes for users having difficulty?

Look on the Windows Update site and you'll find plenty of troubleshooting info there too. In fact, a cursory glance shows me that there are whole forums devoted to helping people whose Windows Update doesn't "just work."

I run Software Update and it works fine for me. I don't need the troubleshooting notes.

I've run Windows Update and it's been fine too.

Perhaps this is one of those things caused by just not understanding how to use a Mac. You don't seem to know much about them.

Re:Differences! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12550238)

Clearly the Mac version is better because it spends so much time Optimizing ...

Re:Differences! (1)

dmarcoot (96402) | more than 9 years ago | (#12552354)

I'd rather have it be optimizing for 5 minutes anything than allowing vhe 80,000+ viruses and spyware windows users are infested with for the liftespan of thier hardware.

i imagine from your knee jerk, cry baby frustrations, lack of seeking knowledge queries, you are one of the bit torrent installers. poor you.

poor poor you. whaaa. i had problems on my install so this OS must suck! whaaaa! i seek no information that can allow me to accomplish any adult tasks. so i must cry! Whaaa!

and you think your a IT pro, having updating 10 windows machines, but apparently on your first OSx update you had a problem, and you then immediately post to Slashdot , but as anonymous coward and think you have any credibility in your post implying windows is systematically easier, regardless of security flaws, by posting a article for people who fucked up their installation? yeah, your Kung Fu is the best!

your are a child updating your High school lab aren't you?

Re:Differences! (2, Interesting)

CoolBru (798217) | more than 9 years ago | (#12552919)

FWIW, as easy as it is to use, I've found it's quite common to have a PC completely trashed by Windows update, particularly under Win2k. The symptom is that it deletes ALL DLLs in the system folder (first error you see is something fatal like 'ntoskrnl.dll not found'). I've had this happen on about 5 machines now, usually shortly after clean installs. There are also 2 Windows updates (853732 and 840987) that reproducibly trash Virtual PC for me. You'd have thought that MS would be able to make Windows work on the only PC they actually sell... YMMV of course.

Re:Differences! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12550506)

That proves it - Expose Apple Crap on slashdot and there you have it - -1 Troll. I can't understand you Americans when you turn the fscking businesses into religion.

Re:Differences! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12550912)

Claiming that MSCrap is better than iCrap is what gets you the -1 Troll. They both suck.

Re:Differences! (-1, Troll)

dmarcoot (96402) | more than 9 years ago | (#12552368)

Well, until i can do everything i do on my Apple Crap, on your OOS crap, and pay my bills, with it, your OSS crap and you can continue in your perpetual 69. dont forget to swallow

GPGMail (0, Redundant)

havarv (786263) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550141)

Update disables GPGMail, and does not let the user enable it again.

Re:GPGMail (1)

nigham (792777) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550924)

From the article:

Resolves a potential issue in which Mail could unexpectedly quit, stop responding, or fail to import your previous emails if third-party software were installed in a ~/Library/Mail/Bundles or /Library/Mail/Bundles--this update prevents previously-installed plug-ins from loading.

Breaking news: Apple cripple OS X again...zzzzzzzz (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12552718)

Yes we know. We know Apple are obsessed with reducing functionality in OS X to nothing more than moving your mouse over the Dock so you go 'ooooo aaaaa isn't that pwetty ?'

We know that every subsequent release of Mac OS X gets rid of more and more features and instead tries to steer the hapless clueless user into Apple's tiny shallow vision of OS usability.

We know, we know that every 3rd party piece of software is nothing but a haxie to Apple and they have no place on OS X, apart from those that Apple just help themselves too and exploit (after slagging off) and we know we are supposed to be grateful for that, and turn a blind eye.

We knew SUID/GUID id scripts were weally weally bwad and only bwad skwipt kwiddies used them to do naughty things.

We know.

We know

Right on schedule... (4, Informative)

jht (5006) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550255)

Since Tiger wend GM at the end of March, it's been a month and a half for bug fixing, with the last two-plus weeks of that period essentially the public beta of the OS.

I've already installed it on my PowerBook, and after a few days' time I'll see if it's the update that makes it worth recommending for most of my clients to start their testing. Usually, it seems to take Apple a couple more point releases to really get the major kinks out, so I'm expecting Tiger to hit its stride around mid-summer.

For those of you unfamiliar with Apple release cycles - expect to see a point release like this every 4-6 weeks initially, followed by a cutback to every couple of months later on. Security updates are typically released on a separate basis, about once per month, and will be available for Panther as well for the foreseeable future. Even 10.2 still gets some security fixes now and then. And there will be occasional updates to the iApps and other stuff that are done separately.

There's also a few Safari bugs that snuck in late in the cycle that haven't been addressed yet - Safari is unchanged in 10.4.1.

Re:Right on schedule... (1)

Frank Palermo (846883) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550531)

There's also a few Safari bugs that snuck in late in the cycle that haven't been addressed yet

A few Safari bugs, yes... also there's apparently something about syncing Address Book data with .Mac that was left unfixed. It was listed as a "Known Issue" when this build (8B15) was given to developers last week (I suppose it's fair game to comment on now that the release is public). I've never experienced the issue myself, but I was sort of expecting them to take a bit more time to fix it, and release build 8B17 (or whatever) with a fix included as the public 10.4.1. Apparently they've decided either a) the bug is something they can fix server-side w/ .Mac, or b) it's something sufficiently rare or minor to wait for 10.4.2. I'd probably bet on it being the second one.

So, as you said, it's "right on schedule." I daresay this update being released just now is mainly about getting over the psychological barrier some Mac users tend to have about upgrading to a "10.x.0" release, and also to tidy up some loose ends for Final Cut Studio (which, if memory serves, should ship soon and originally listed 10.4.1 as a requirement until DVD Player 4.6 came out separately). I realize they can't fix everything in one go, but it could be that this release came just a bit early to meet the deadline imposed by Final Cut Studio.

-Frank

Re:Right on schedule... (0, Troll)

QuickFord (762007) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550637)

Or maybe it was released early because Apple knows their users are somewhat gullible and will dismiss all the bugs as random features so that Steve Jobs and his programmers can sit around smoking pot instead of fixing them. :P

Problems with third-party plug-ins (bundles) (4, Informative)

bitpart (711523) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550317)

According to the Knowledge Base about the update [apple.com] , all previously-installled third-party Mail.app plug-ins will not load. I assume that means that you just need to reinstall them.

Re:Problems with third-party plug-ins (bundles) (1)

tbmaddux (145207) | more than 9 years ago | (#12555183)

Actually no, what you need to do are the following steps (I used them to re-enable GPGMail [sente.ch] ):
Quit Mail
In Finder, rename folder $HOME/Library/Mail/Bundles (Disabled) back to $HOME/Library/Mail/Bundles.
In Terminal, type:
defaults write com.apple.mail EnableBundles 1
defaults write com.apple.mail BundleCompatibilityVersion 2
Relaunch Mail

Re:Problems with third-party plug-ins (bundles) (0)

bitpart (711523) | more than 9 years ago | (#12555390)

That's right. I did basically those same steps to re-enable GrowlMail.

GPG Bundle remains broken (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12550379)

Even if you reinstall after the upgrade.

I have a PowerBook 1.5GHz with 2GB RAM, and under 10.4 the internal drive and both firewire disks (one a FW400, the other a FW800) would spin perpetually, my load average went from the normal .4 or so, to an AVERAGE of 2, and the temperature inside the box was hovering at 140 degrees.

All of this has been corrected in 10.4.1 (for me). Load average is back down to .2 to .4, the process table is still full of these:

483 mdimport 0.0% 0:03.16 4 67 65 1.83M 7.40M 4.72M 41.8M

but it's no longer grinding all the disks into oblivion.

I can also reboot now. Since 10.4 I could not shutdown or reboot, had to open terminal and reboot manually.

So far this update has resolved many issues I was experiencing.

Anybody know what the deal is with Q2DE?

Obligatory Snappier! (3, Funny)

pyrrhonist (701154) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550493)

Just in case nobody else posts it, here's the obligatory performance increase post:
I just installed this update, and wow! I don't know how to describe it, but my Mac just seems much snappier! It's amazing how Apple increases the performance of the OS with every release. Thanks Apple, you rule!
</SATIRE>

Re:Obligatory Snappier! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12551198)


But you know what? ... It is snappier!

I'm actually not kidding. I was swapping pretty bad with 10.4.0 which was causing some real pain. So far, no swap.

Build 8B15 (1)

Trillan (597339) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550577)

For those of you who are curious, the build number after updating is 8B15. I didn't see this mentioned anywhere yet.

Has anyone else noticed. . . (3, Funny)

dispensa (57441) | more than 9 years ago | (#12550809)

that this makes their PowerBook 17" waaaaay faster?

Yeah, me neither. :-)

Re:Has anyone else noticed. . . (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553161)

I did notice that after I installed Tiger, I can no longer mark events tentative / confirmed in iCal, and can no longer use the features of QuickTime Pro 6 that I paid for.

Tiger Software Update Service? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12551172)

Anyone else here running server?
My Software Update service is not seeing 10.4.1, is anyone else having this problem?

Quartz 2D Extreme (4, Informative)

Mr. Cancelled (572486) | more than 9 years ago | (#12551282)

This update still did not enable Quartz 2D-Extreme on my system, so on a hunch, I enabled it manually, as per this hint [macosxhints.com] , and wow... Really nice!

I had temporarily enabled it under 10.4.0 via the debugging tool, but the speed difference was nowhere near what I'm getting after booting the entire OS with it enabled!

A lot of people are reporting bugs with this being enabled, which is likely why Apple still hasn't enabled it by default. But I've had absolutely 0 bugs so far - Which to be honest has only been about 2.5 hours, but still... It's enough to at least justify trying it out IMHO. Using the hint I reference above, you ocan always "reset" it to off, if you do run into problems.

For what it's worth, I'm going to be leaving this on unless some (any!) problems pop up tomorrow. It's very impressive! Even apps which I wouldn't think would be impacted, such as Remote Desktop (controlling an XP box from within OSX) are noticably faster.

For the record, I'm running a dual 2Ghz w/2gb of ram, and an ATI 9600. Your mileage may vary.

Re:Quartz 2D Extreme (5, Informative)

Yaztromo (655250) | more than 9 years ago | (#12551895)

This update still did not enable Quartz 2D-Extreme on my system, so on a hunch, I enabled it manually, as per this hint, and wow... Really nice!

That hint enables Q2DX the hard way. The easier way is to open a terminal and paste in the following command:

sudo defaults write /Library/Preferences/com.apple.windowserver Quartz2DExtremeEnabled 1

HTH!

Yaz.

Re:Quartz 2D Extreme (1)

amichalo (132545) | more than 9 years ago | (#12554324)

Why not just go to the control panel Spotlight search and type "Enable Quartz Extreme"?

10.4.1 - Mail 2.01 - GPGMail.mailbundle (1)

ljPalmer (672642) | more than 9 years ago | (#12551593)

New mail 2.01 removes the new 10.4 compatible GPGMail.mailbundle. I guess they can't tell the difference between the Panter and Tiger Version. Therefore I loose easy gpg. ..lj

Bug in updated version of mail (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12551982)

when i am composing a mail message and i have the spell check set to check as i type the misspelled words are underlined in red. when i control click on one of the words to correct it the underlining is removed from all the misspelled words, giving the false impression that they are correctly spelled.

For the curious... (2, Informative)

mithran8 (186371) | more than 9 years ago | (#12552044)

The 10.4.1 Update changes approximately 500 file system objects, not counting files modified only by prebinding.

The summary:

476 changes
16 additions
0 removals

Detailed list of modifications is available here [macguru.net] .

For reference - these changes were captured by the OpenSource build of Tripwire, patched for Mac OS X. It's pretty likely that any changes captured on your system will differ in a few ways, but the basic theme should be consistent.

Jason

My biggets complaint... (3, Informative)

dmarcoot (96402) | more than 9 years ago | (#12552223)

Spotlight re-indexes the system HD. that was a unexpected and gave me reason to go to gym while it finished. I hope future updates dont suffer the same performance hit.

Re:My biggets complaint... (1)

skingers6894 (816110) | more than 9 years ago | (#12552460)

Yay! I knew there was a good reason for a separate system partition.

Saves on system volume reindex time.

Phew, now I can justify my partitioning fetish again - thanks Tiger!

SMTP over IPv6 in Mail still broken (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12552509)

Too bad that I still can't send mail over IPv6 with Mail 2.0.1, like I could with the Panther version of Mail.

(The reason is that Mail inserts some random characters in the domain name in the EHLO line when the connection is over IPv6.)

Preview annotation bug seems to be fixed! (1)

King Babar (19862) | more than 9 years ago | (#12554225)

It wasn't on the list of bugs fixed as far as I can tell, but it now appears that you can make and save annotations on a PDF document using Preview.

This is really great, but, of course, when I really needed this was right after Tiger came out when I was grading a bunch of undergrad papers, and could have done it all electronically...

I know it will never happen, but it would be nice to see some more bugzilla like representation of current issues with more applications. I also think that the "bug" (reporting) icon that Safari has should work in every app. And they also need to find a way to put a pony in every box...

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