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IE7 Will Have Tabbed Browsing

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the sir-your-numbers-are-slipping dept.

Internet Explorer 748

loconet writes that early yesterday morning, "Dean Hachamovitch, IE product unit manager, confirmed that IE7, like Opera and Firefox first did years ago, will have tabbed browsing as one of its new features. Asa Dotzler,from Mozilla, points out that Dean reminds IE users who have not upgraded to XP that tabbed browsing can be added to IE through 3rd-party add-ons." cryptoz adds a link to this InformationWeek story which says that the tabs will be very "'basic' due to fears from Microsoft that tabbed browsing might scare off too many users. The feature is only being included because IE is slipping in the browser share market."

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748 comments

Scared? (5, Funny)

mfh (56) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553625)

Average IE User:

"My God! TABS! Eeeek!"
(runs away from computer)

Re:Scared? (5, Funny)

Aero (98829) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553740)

Of course tabs are scary. Look at which browsers use tabs:

Mozilla -- Symbolized by a big red carnivorous lizard. Large carnivores are scary, and red things scream "DANGER!".
Firefox -- Symbolized by...a burning fox. Burning things are scary.
Opera -- Opera scares a lot of people, and many of those who aren't scared outright just plain don't understand it.

And then there's IE. Either a big blue E or a harmless little butterfly. Non-threatening. But they're doing some eeeeevil genetic manipulation and taking something out of those scaaaaaary browsers to put into our harmless little IE!

Of course it'll scare people.

Re:Scared? (4, Funny)

DenDave (700621) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553763)

And in other news... Longhorn will have a file system, we don't know what exactly or when but we are sure it will have one....

sorta sounds like...

this old joke [attrition.org]

Re:Scared? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553798)

Average IE User:

It's called a browser?
There are alternative?
What's a power button?

Re:Scared? (1, Interesting)

generic-man (33649) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553874)

Tabbed browsing is irritating because it throws off window management. If I have 20 Internet Explorer windows open, I can navigate between them using the Taskbar's "(20) Internet Explorer" collapsed button or with the ALT-TAB window switcher. If I have 20 browser windows open in any Mac browser, I hit F10 and Expose shows me all of them.

Show me one browser, any browser, that actually exposes a mechanism for navigating through 20 tabs in, say, 3 windows. The only one I've seen that comes close is Opera, but of course Opera exists in its own UI paradigm by itself.

Re:Scared? (2, Informative)

ofermod (214606) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553898)

OmniWeb?

It's got thumbnail/tabs.

Re:Scared? (5, Informative)

hostyle (773991) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553917)

Firefox - Ctrl Tab

i prefer (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553626)

marijuana

Re:i prefer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553880)

I also express my fondness to this particular weed.

Allow users to uninstall and reinstall as needed (4, Insightful)

cOdEgUru (181536) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553627)

If M$ is listening (and for the sake of IE, I hope they are) the biggest need to save IE right now is an ability in XP to uninstall IE cleanly. I mean, one should be able to uninstall and install IE at his whim. No strapping it down to the OS crap!

My brother had his PC infected by a smart viral strain of CoolWebsearch, a nasty Browser Hijacker. I ended up spending a few hours trying to clean it and every time I thought I did, it would pop back up. I gave up, installed Firefox and asked him never to touch IE again. If I had the ability to go to the Control Panel, and nuke IE altogether, thereby getting rid of any unsavory plugins that might have been installed along with it, and doing a fresh install back again, I wouldnt have forced him to move to Firefox. I understand that Browser Hijacker has aspects outside the realm of the browser, but providing the ability to uninstall and reinstall gives power back to the user.

And this is totally understandable for a bad product. Obviously you want to strap it down with hooks in to the OS as deep as you could, preventing anyone from removing it, since if the user realizes that they could remove it, the first thing they would want to do is nuke it.

Re:Allow users to uninstall and reinstall as neede (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553659)

...except that they can't because of the anti-trust settlement from the browser wars. Remember, Explorer is an integral part of the OS, NOT A competing browser designed to force Netscape out of the market.

Re:Allow users to uninstall and reinstall as neede (5, Informative)

darkonc (47285) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553703)

When MS came out with the 'un-removable' IE4, my roommate discovered that if you used the IE3 uninstaller on IE4, it uninstalled cleanly...
Yep... technical necessity.....

Re:Allow users to uninstall and reinstall as neede (2, Insightful)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553728)

You mean, you tried to remove some spyware app, but because you couldn't it's therefore IE's fault.

The reason its 'part of the OS' is that the back-end http protocol handlers are reused by every application (well, those that don't want to reinvent the wheel) to connect to the internet. 'Remove' IE (and I guess you don't mean remove 'just the GUI') would cripple a great many programs out there.

Have you tried spyware removal tools? Or even a anti-virus program? Alternatively, just vape all the browser helper objects (search the registry, you'll find them) which sounds like what your problem was all along.

Mind you, I reinstall firefox regularly (every time a new version 'patch' comes out), and every time I re-install it, all my extensions are all there as before. Strange that. I guess if I was hit by some firefox malware then reinstalling it (in the same way you describe you want for IE) would have no effect. I think you'd best stick with IE.

Re:Allow users to uninstall and reinstall as neede (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553844)

With firefox you'd not even need to reinstall, you could remove the profile from your home directory.. Assuming your running as an unpriveleged user who can't overwrite the firefox application files.

Re:Allow users to uninstall and reinstall as neede (1, Interesting)

cOdEgUru (181536) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553907)

Are you crazy!! Or are you so removed from the real world??

Do you think the "Average Joe" cares whether the back-end http proto handlers are reused by every app or not? Heck, even if it is, the morons behind IE should have had the tiniest sense to ask themselves whether it should be that way...

And if you had any experience with some of these Browser Hijackers, you would know that spyware removal tools dont do shit. Both spybot and lavasoft did nada.

And searching and nuking registry entries is as painful as pulling nails out.. Why would anyone be subjected to that, when they can use an alternate browser??

I am not saying Firefox is the solution to everything and neither am I stating that IE is the worst. But the whole thinking behind the browser and how it has its roots in the OS is just poor/lame/immature design at best.

Re:Allow users to uninstall and reinstall as neede (2, Informative)

cecille (583022) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553737)

Not sure if it will work on IE (never tried, but I don't see why not), but I found that the equally annoying MSN messenger had an awfully hard time popping itself up unexpectely once I'd deleted all of its files.

Re:Allow users to uninstall and reinstall as neede (1)

Fanro (130986) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553769)

But once as PC is infected, the hijacker could integrate itself into windows, and reinfect any program you uninstall the moment you reinstall it again.

Malware already rewrites deleted registry keys, restarts killed processes, and so on. The only reason this particular hijacker might not have the capability to reinfect IE is because it is almost impossible to remove IE anyway.

If a windows PC was infected, and you are not absolutely sure whether you have removed the infection, the only way is a complete reinstall

I am just so floored... (5, Funny)

Pao|o (92817) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553629)

Pop up blocking, tabbed browsing and Anti-virus software. What will MS think off next?

Re:I am just so floored... (1)

paxdan (824979) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553701)

'think of next' err that does not compute 'rip of next' ahhh thats better

Patenting the lot, probably. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553709)

I cant wait for the press release stating this is another "innovation from MS".

Re:I am just so floored... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553715)

Standards Compliance.

Re:I am just so floored... (2, Interesting)

DigitumDei (578031) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553754)

MS is just doing what MS does best, adopt and improve. Well, okay, just adopt. But they have managed to do that pretty consistently over the last decade.

Now I would have been very surprised if they had NOT included tabbed browsing.

Re:I am just so floored... (3, Insightful)

BorgHunter (685876) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553865)

Full PNG and CSS2 support, hopefully. Gee whiz, doesn't Microsoft just have the most original ideas for IE? Wherever would we be without their browser innovation?

Ironically, IE used to be exactly like Firefox: Up against a monster behemoth (Netscape) which was starting to stagnate, and fall in quality a bit. I find it odd that they didn't learn from that experience, and instead decided to rest on their laurels after stomping Netscape. They really should have seen Firefox (or something similar) coming, especially as IE hasn't really had any new development since 5.0 or so, save periodic security patches and such.

But anyway, competition is good! I hope IE does continue to try to put features in IE. Maybe Firefox can force Microsoft into keeping it up-to-date.

Re:I am just so floored... (1)

Recovery1 (217499) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553873)

Plugins to IE, Greasemonkey, A more horrifying version of clippy that reads "I see you are visiting getfirefox.com. Are you really sure you want to do that?"

Patents? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553635)

Has Microsoft patented it yet?

Turn off-able? (2, Insightful)

fyrewulff (702920) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553636)

Hopefully you'll be able to disable them completely - I for one don't use them in Firefox because they just don't jive with me.

Re:Turn off-able? (3, Informative)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553674)

Tabs are turn offable in Firefox. Sheeesh. In fact, it took me fiddling with the settings to make it so new windows don't pop up.

Re:Turn off-able? (1)

sydsavage (453743) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553766)

Why would you need to turn them off? If you don't use them, it's as if they aren't there in the first place.

Am I missing something?

Re:Turn off-able? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553872)

Well, with tabs done well you don't have to "use them", new windows are just always opened in tabs.

Love the spin (5, Informative)

JebusIsLord (566856) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553643)

Ah the old Slashdot spin machine... actually if you read the IE Blog at http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/default.aspx [msdn.com] the developers are clear that they made the WRONG decision in avoiding tabs the first time, and the tabs will be basic only at the time of beta, but they will be adding more features afterwards.

Re:Love the spin (1)

natrius (642724) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553751)

Not only that, they attribute a quote to InformationWeek that doesn't appear anywhere in the article. Nice.

Re:Love the spin (1)

SnapShot (171582) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553780)

I followed your link and learned everything I needed to know:


We are currently unable to serve your request

We are sorry, but there was an error and your request could not be completed

This error has been logged and the issue should be resolved shortly

Sorry for the inconvenience.


Damn that Slashdot spin!!

What spin? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553800)

Hm, what spin are you talking about exactly?

I can see nothing from your post that would suggest that there is a particular spin to the /. article.

You write:
"actually if you read the IE Blog at http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/default.aspx [msdn.com] the developers are clear that they made the WRONG decision in avoiding tabs the first time"
While the blog is certainly informative, your sentence suggest that contrary to something the /. article suggest, MS developers actually did something different, however, this is clearly not the case.

So where exactly is the spin here?

Re:What spin? (1)

JebusIsLord (566856) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553855)

The headline suggests IE is only going to have basic tabs because they think we can't handle them. The reality is that the beta will have basic tabs because they aren't complete, and that they fully agree that leaving tabs out because "people will be confused" was a mistake in IE6.

Re:What spin? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553896)

"The headline suggests IE is only going to have basic tabs because they think we can't handle them."

???????
Sorry, but you lost me there.
Where does a headline reading:
"IE7 Will Have Tabbed Browsing" suggest that it is only going to have basic tabs? It simply states that IE7 will have tabs, no more, no less.

but when Microsoft does it, (1)

darkonc (47285) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553646)

It will be 'an innovation'.
Personally, I don't se why they wouldn't have tabbed browsing.

Re:but when Microsoft does it, (1)

Mikito (833242) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553723)

The sad thing is that when Microsoft does it, sooo many people will think that it's something entirely new to web browsers.

It's funny that they had decided against tabbed browsing for IE 6 (and IE 5) because Microsoft didn't think that tabs were too confusing for the different options panels in (I think) Windows 95.

Re:but when Microsoft does it, (1)

JebusIsLord (566856) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553826)

Man, they just can't win. Should they leave the feature out and be criticised for non-conformance, or include it and be criticised for lack of innovation?

Re:but when Microsoft does it, (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553835)

well a lot Firefox advocates like to claim tabs as a Firefox/Mozilla innovation, along with serveral other features they borrowed from Opera so of course MS will claim they innovated it.

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553649)

Obligary First Post, and Firefox Rocks Post. All others have to be rational and well thought out after everyone finishes reading the articles. :-)

Basic for customers? (0, Troll)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553652)

I doubt very much they had to keep tabs basic to save customers from "becoming scared." Simply having two radio buttons in advanced preferences or something tucked away in several levels allowing people to enable more advanced features would have stopped anyone from 'being scared away' of the evil tabs.

No, this is simply so the IE programmers didn't have to program anything too complex. They wanted to do as little work as possible, and then claim that they're doing it FOR the customers.

I suppose Microsoft rapes me up the ass with their licence for my "protection" as well? To stop me from doing anything "dangerous" to a product I supposedly own.

why scared? (1)

kcyber (652633) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553860)

i can't understand why tabs are more frightening than a taskbar full of ie windows?

maybe clicking the middle button makes it difficult...

Office next? (5, Interesting)

Malfourmed (633699) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553657)

"Initially, we had some concerns around complexity and consistency - will it confuse users more than it benefits them? Is it confusing if IE has tabs, but other core parts of the Windows experience, like Windows Media Player or the shell, don't have?"

How soon until MS Office gets tabs? I for one often have up to a dozen Word and Excel documents open and having them all in the task bar is a pain in the UI.

Re:Office next? (1)

DingerX (847589) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553744)

Article said he "almost added them in word".


Someone else complained about Firefox's tabbed implementation with respect to Opera. Well, the article uses windows media player as an esxample of MS tabs. I confess to using that thing from time to time, and I still can't figure that nightmare of an interface out.

Re:Office next? (1)

fille (575662) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553755)

Well, office 2004 on the mac has tabs: screenshot [microsoft.com] . Another to reason to upgrade to MacOS X, I suppose.. ;-)

Re:Office next? (1)

double-oh three (688874) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553761)

Probably about a year after it gets implemented in either Open Office or iWork.

Re:Office next? (4, Interesting)

thegameiam (671961) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553831)

My complaint is the different behavior of all of the office apps:

In Word, clicking the outermost "close" button closes the document you're working on, but leaves other documents unaffected. In Excel, doing the same action closes all documents. Some of the apps treat indiviual documements completely independantly, and some of them treat them as cascaded windows inside the same instance of the application.

I would LOVE to see a robust tabbed implementation in Office, especially if (like Firefox) you could run multiple instances of a tabbed application.

-David Barak

Re:Office next? (1)

Masami Eiri (617825) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553875)

That would be the one thing that would make me bump office up to a newer version (I'm using 2000)...
And before some OO.org zealot tells me that OO has it (I don't know if it does...), I've used OO, and I didn't like it.

No patent? (1)

Arioch of Chaos (674116) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553658)

What, how come Mozilla didn't patent it? ;-)

Re:No patent? (1)

Markus Persson (709555) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553687)

Because software patents are evil, and now we get tab goodness in both firefox and internet explorer! Yay! =D Of course, I'll probably still keep using firefox, but there's one less reason to do so now. Yay competition!

Re:No patent? (1)

FriedTurkey (761642) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553726)

I believe Opera had it first.

Re:No patent? (1)

unapersson (38207) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553823)

Opera didn't really have it first, they had buttons across the bottom like a task bar when you maximised windows. But it was more like a workaround for MDI, and didn't have the majority of the features that differentiate tabbed browsing. In reality all Opera had originally was a switcher between MDI windows.

The first usable tabs I came across were in Mozilla, though I think it was Skipstone, an earlier Mozilla derivative that did them first.

Re:No patent? (2, Informative)

badriram (699489) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553828)

Tabs are patented in general by Adobe.

Tabs in browsers were created by BookLink Technologies in Internet Works. This was follwed by netcaptor(based on IE).

Tabbed browsing is not a creation by Mozilla or Netscape. But Firefox would be the first widely deployed Tabbed browser.

Cancel button after download (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553661)

Why the hell is it that right after I download a huge file in IE ... A dialog box pops up with a huge cancel button saying "copying from temp directory"?!? It's common I'll be typing something and press the spacebar by accident and it kills the moving file. Why the hell would I download a massive file and suddenly want to kill it at the last minute while it was being copied from the temp ?? Who wants such a feature??

This is really a stupid "feature" of IE. I doubt they'll fix it cause well quite frankly I won't be surprised if IE developers use FireFox.

Re:Cancel button after download (0, Offtopic)

inkdesign (7389) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553759)

Download smaller porn videos and it won't take so long to copy from the temp directory... ;0]

Re:Cancel button after download (2, Insightful)

nanter (613346) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553760)

A better question is - Knowing what you appear to know about IE's inadequacies, why are you using IE at all?

Re:Cancel button after download (2, Insightful)

badfish99 (826052) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553805)

This shouldn't be modded "funny". It's a much worse design flaw than not having tabbed browing.
If a popup can grab the focus like that, a malicious program that needs user interaction to do its badness could keep on popping up dialogs until it gets lucky and the user just happens to be hitting the "Y" key at the same time.

Why copy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553839)

I used it not so long ago: I downloaded a large file in IE, thinking it wouldn't take long with the huge bandwidth. And I was right, shortly after the download was finished.
But the downloaded file for some reason had to be copied. While it was copying I couldn't use the computer, and after a while I wanted to get back to my work. I thought "I can download it during lunch break", so I cancelled it.

So the "cancel"-feature during copy itself is a useable feature. What I don't get is this: Why does it copy the file? (And when it is copied, there is only one file.)

Had I used any(?) other software to download the file, it would be ready as soon as it was downloaded.

Wat to go... (-1, Troll)

ssj_195 (827847) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553662)

...Microsoft! At this rate, IE will soon be as good as Dillo [hyperborea.org] ! ;)

Still no cure for... (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553665)

side scrolling webpages...

yea, they're increasing in popularity.

Re:Still no cure for... (1)

syntax (2932) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553691)

Thats what you get from the Nintendo generation.

Re:Still no cure for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553799)

Time to give up that 640x480 res, buddy.

Tabs (0, Troll)

tsa (15680) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553666)

I bet it won't be long before IE has other innovative features like plugins, and an ability to surf without leaving traces on your computer. This is a good thing, because it keeps the competition fierce. What other great features can we expect in Safari, Firefox and IE in the future? I'm looking forward to them!

What style of tabbed browsing will IE7 use? (2, Insightful)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553669)

The way Opera handles tabbed browsing and the way Firefox handles tabbed browsing are so different, grouping them both under the header "tabbed browsing" make little sense. But which of these methods will IE7 use? Or perhaps something completely different? (Personally, I think Opera's is great and Firefox's is half-assed and hacked-on. I can't imagine Microsoft following the Firefox way.)

Re:What style of tabbed browsing will IE7 use? (1)

spectral (158121) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553809)

Not having used opera for very long, what's so different about the two methods?

Re:What style of tabbed browsing will IE7 use? (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553882)

The way Opera handles tabbed browsing and the way Firefox handles tabbed browsing are so different, grouping them both under the header "tabbed browsing" make little sense.

So what's the difference? (I don't know Opera's TB, and I'm not sure I know Firefox's; what I do know is Mozilla's with Tabbrowser Extensions)

Share slipping... (5, Insightful)

bluprint (557000) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553670)

The feature is only being included because IE is slipping in the browser share market.

Umm...and? I think there is some implied meaning in the above statement, but I'm not sure what it is. Isn't that what companies do? If they see trends in the market shift towards certain features/needs/wants of consumers, they respond with providing consumers with what they want.

Re:Share slipping... (1)

goldspider (445116) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553770)

Not only that, but we're talking about software that is 100% free to download.

Simply put, Opera, Mozilla, and Firefox are not cutting into Microsoft's revenue.

Now show me some evidence that (for example) OpenOffice.org is taking a measurable chunk out of the MS Office market, and then I'll be impressed.

Re:Share slipping... (1)

bunratty (545641) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553901)

Not only that, but we're talking about software [IE] that is 100% free to download.
But you previously had to pay for Windows XP to run the latest IE. Users who aren't using IE don't need to upgrade to a new OS to get the latest version of their browser. Therefore, other browsers are cutting into Microsoft's revenue.

Re:Share slipping... (4, Insightful)

ssj_195 (827847) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553868)

I think the implication is that Microsoft are lazy and arrogant (having previously dismissed tabs as being useless, and stating that "their customers did not want them"). Microsoft have allowed their browser to languish horribly, to the detriment of the users that they apparently hold in high-esteem, and the only thing that has gotten them to actually make any improvements is the threat of losing market share. Microsoft will now, of course, crow about their revolutionary new Tabbed Browsing(TM) feature that they have provided to enhance your browsing experience, and the unknowing masses will fall for it hook, line and sinker, praising Microsoft as an innovative company who puts the needs of its customers first. This is what, I think, gets most people's goat.

Nothing to see here - please move along (-1, Flamebait)

a_greer2005 (863926) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553675)

/\ says it all...every /.er knows that MS coppies other elements to enhance their products, every one knows that Redmond hasnt had an original thought or idea in 20-odd years so...how exactly is this news?

Duh (2, Insightful)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553679)

this InformationWeek story [...] says that the tabs will be very "'basic' due to fears from Microsoft that tabbed browsing might scare off too many users.

Microsoft just doesn't seem to get it. From an "ease of use" standpoint, the best software is designed so that it's easy for a novice to use -- by hiding the "scary" options and so on. But it's also designed so that a user whose comfortable with the software can learn tricks, customizations, and so on to make his work faster. In short, the software has to grow as the user's skills grow.

Very few companies actually get this. Apple has made progress in this direction, as has the open source movement. But they're both well off.

Somewhere in the future (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553684)

Hey, look! This funny browser has tabs, just like in Internet Explorer!

Did anyone else read that as... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553685)

Did anyone else read that as "IE7 Will Have Tapped Browsing"?
But then again, that has been an official Windows feature ever since XP came out.

Patent Material! (-1, Redundant)

Albigg (658831) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553688)

Damn tabbed browsing, now that is a good idea!

Fabulous New Innovation (3, Insightful)

mcsporran (832624) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553698)

Wait for it: The moment it is released, all the little MS Press Drones will start to sing the praises of this wonderful new innovation, brought to you buy the wonderful people at Microsoft, the fact that we (Proper browser users) have been using this excellent interface for years now, will some how be not be newsworthy Compare: Win 95 a.k.a. Mac 88

Some Advice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553700)

Microsoft need to look at their browser marketing strategy. They are trying to bridge both advanced users and average users, and it will no longer work

Don't stay behind the curve and introduce a one-size-fits-all solution.

If Microsoft do this, they are only playing catch up and not leading the way. Most of all, MS won't have a feature advantage over Firefox. This strategy shows a lack of good marketing thought.

I suggest Microsoft introduce a browser that has two modes: regular and advanced. If you run it in advanced mode, it would look a lot like Maxthon with all options easily available. In regular mode, it would be much as it is now with the ability to turn tabs on or off. In this way, Microsoft will serve the best interests of all of their market.

Maxthon is now much better than Firefox in terms of options, configurability, usage. It has gone through 4 years of development and solved many bugs. Why don't Microsoft just buy it and restructure the menus to be consistent with other MS products? Why recreate the wheel? Maxthon currently has over 25 million downloads and they'll have a ready market for their new product.

Never gonna happen man (1, Insightful)

colonslashslash (762464) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553702)

If M$ is listening (and for the sake of IE, I hope they are) the biggest need to save IE right now is an ability in XP to uninstall IE cleanly. I mean, one should be able to uninstall and install IE at his whim. No strapping it down to the OS crap!

I agree wholeheartadly, but the main reason Internet Explorer dominates 85 - 95% of the market (depending on who you ask) is that it is bundled with Windows, and not really removable. I've noticed that even when I recommend Firefox to Windows users, they eventually go back to using IE, partly because it's "just there" and won't sod off.

Because of this, and aside from the technical reasons, I don't think Microsoft have any motivation to enable IE to be uninstalled easily though Add/Remove programs.

Amazing (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553704)

MS continues to innovate and innovate.

After only recently introducing the new killer feature "pop-up blocking", MS in all its glory continues its push to innovate even further with the introduction of yet an other killer feature "tabs".

This just shows that MS is, despite all the naysayers, still a force to be reckoned with when it comes to innovation and all out quality.

Now I only hope that they did already patent these great ideas, so that they can enjoy the fruits of their continues struggle for excellence, without being ripped of by some small Norwegian company or, worse still, some open source fanatics.

OLD! (1)

varkman (818678) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553714)

haven't they announced this like ages ago?

Anyone else not care? (0, Troll)

Tetsugaku-San (717792) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553716)

or is it just me? I don't use tabs, never have never will, well unless I'm working on a 800X600 machine maybe :) Honestly who really cares? It's a tiny tiny funtion that makes no difference to your daily browse considering you can get all progs of the same type to roll up into a single taskbar tab :)

whoopdy doo (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553719)

Where the hell is CSS2.1? or SVG? Or fixes for the problems which keep causing web developers to spend longer hacking their sites for IE than actually developing it in the first place.

And they're working on tabs?

Re:whoopdy doo (2, Insightful)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553890)

how about just CSS1?

What Next? (1)

FourStarGeneral (851478) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553724)

OMFG, M$ is implementing tabs!? What will they think of next, customizable skins? Or even, [gasp!] security?!? Excuse me, I need a Valium now.

too slow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553732)

I would have had first post but I have so many IE windows open it took me a while to find the /. one. They really should do something to fix that.

Will still use Firefox. (1)

nighty5 (615965) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553757)

Loving firefox, flexibility of Extentions with stuff like mouse gestures makes browsing an absolute pleasure.

Everytime I jump into IE - only for corporate web apps that are standards broken, I feel the experience is slow in terms of mouse movements and also from a security point of view.

The main motivation for plugins to be created under IE are for commerical reasons, thus the average joe will suject themselves to possible security issues, viruses, and spam.

Its great that also IBM is stepping up support internally for Firefox.

In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553773)

IE 7 having tabs, now leverages attackers to exploit flaws simultaneously.

Pandora's box for M$ (1)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553779)

Now users (especially me) will be wondering...

When am I going to get tabbed windows in explorer? It would be great to actually dock a word window into an IE window or what have you, instead of relying only on the tab bar at the bottom of the screen, which is retarded in scalability beyond about 5 buttons/tabs.

Finally!! (1)

Pedrito (94783) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553788)

I have to say, the browser tabs were the main feature that got me to switch to Firefox as my primary browser. Not that I'll switch back now that IE will have them. I've grown very accustomed to some of the other features of FireFox that IE still doesn't have, so I'm staying with it.

On the other hand, there are certain things I have to use IE for and at least those will be slightly less onerous tasks now that it will have tabs. So I'm happy it's finally happening.

OK, how long (0, Redundant)

Epsillon (608775) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553796)

...until they try to patent it?

Thieves! (1)

fullcircleflight (883189) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553803)

Tabbed browsing?

Sounds like Microsoft is trying to inspire kids entering their thought thieves competetion [msn.co.uk] .

I don't Comprendo. (2, Insightful)

kniLnamiJ-neB (754894) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553820)

Why is the "web browser" even considered a "market"? It's not like I pay any extra for IE. For that matter, most of these browsers are free, right? So what exactly is gained by having 98% of the universe using the same browser? AFAICT, this amounts to a "Mine's bigger" war between the browsers. Not flaming here, I really want to know.

Re:I don't Comprendo. (4, Insightful)

fullcircleflight (883189) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553892)

Corporate branding is one reason marketshare is desirable for Microsoft. When using MSIE, "Microsoft Internet Explorer" is displayed on the top of the bar, along with a Microsoft logo in the top right corner. People can then associate "using" the Internet, with "using" a Microsoft product.

Basic tabs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553841)

I find the tabs in Moz too simple, and use this addon, Tabbrowser Extensions http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/tabextensions/index.h tml.en [sakura.ne.jp] .

But I know that MS will make the tabs so simple that they are essentially useless, doing the common thing of dropping functionality to the lowest common denominator (much like movies and other products - companies are just too scared of potentially excluding someone because they "don't get it")

this...is...news? (0, Offtopic)

distantbody (852269) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553883)

Due to the slashdot editors recieving a much needed sphincter bleaching, all editing duties have been relegated to the slashdot sLasH-Oh-MAtiQue Random Storie Editor v0.9. Cowboys mother apologises.

Keep up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553894)

Avant uses IE's html rendering and already has tabs and more...

http://www.avantbrowser.com/ [avantbrowser.com]

Wine (0, Troll)

datadriven (699893) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553910)

However it will not run on wine, most likely. So why should I care?

Not Related, but still important! (1)

DarkSarin (651985) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553921)

according to the BLOG someone mentioned earlier, IE 7 will have full alpha support for PNGs (except when dealing with MSTime, which I am not familiar with--anybody help me out here?). This is a major step in my mind, much more so than tabs.

Tabs are great, don't get me wrong, but they are a fairly minor issue compared to full PNG support and full CSS (1, 2, or 2.1) support. If three things from css get fixed only, I want to see position: fixed; right: x px; and bottom: x px; working properly. These alone would make my life much simpler.

I can only hope.

Oh, and that blog is here [msdn.com] .

Enjoy.

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