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PlayStation 3 Unveiled

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the psp-and-bluetooth-and-boomerangs-oh-my! dept.

E3 905

The PlayStation 3 was unveiled yesterday afternoon in a press conference at Sony Pictures Studio. The event was full of beautiful demonstrations, specifications, and talk of the games of tomorrow. The machine is certainly impressive, with backwards compatibility, support for up to seven Bluetooth controllers, multiple HD signals, and intimate interactions with the PSP. Coverage, screenshots, and specs available from 1up.com, Gamespot, Joystiq, NYT, Voodoo Extreme, Gamespy, BBC, GamesIndustry.biz, Engadget, Anandtech, Kotaku, Gamasutra, and CNN Money. The only downside I see so far? The controller. Update: 05/18 21:35 GMT by Z : Gamespot has up a comprehensive look at the console based on what is known so far.

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I GOT A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553768)

GO LINUX!

too many mirrors... (5, Funny)

HTL2001 (836298) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553771)

guess we wont be taking any servers down on this article...

Re:too many mirrors... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553938)

... but we sure as hell can try! Who's with me, Slashdot brothers and sisters?

Pictures??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553983)

Where are the pictures of the E3 both babes?

Show me the titty!

Boomerang (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553782)

Go-Go-Gadget Joystick... What the hell is that thing?

Re:Boomerang (5, Funny)

bosz (621199) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553837)

I think it is shaped that way, so that if you get really mad because you lost for the 100th time, you can throw the controller away and it will come back to you as a boomerang. You don't have to get up anymore to get te controller.

Re:Boomerang (2, Insightful)

/ASCII (86998) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553966)

Yep. The old controller don't have this problem, since they aren't wireless. You can just pull them back by the cord.

What a remarkable coincidense! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553783)

Microsoft reveals the XBox and the next day Sony reveals the Playstation 3.

This means that Microsoft has been successful in their quest to take over the game console industry. Sony is now dancing to Microsoft's tune.

Re:What a remarkable coincidense! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553812)

Ya mean how Sony announces their new console at the start of E3?

And what the fuck is an xbox?

FICKIN DENSE GAMURS!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553932)

Learn to spell you stoopid lamur! The word is spelled "coincidence".

Perhaps if you stopped whacking off to Lora Croft for just a second, you could learn something useful and contribute a tad to society. You're a pathetic waste of skin!

WoW (2, Funny)

pitdingo (649676) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553784)

But does it play World of Warcraft?

Controller (1)

DaleNixon (853485) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553785)

First psot? The controller looks rather scary. Where do I plug in my Dualshock 2?

at least... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553787)

At least the controler wil make a good projectile.

Controller (2, Insightful)

Jarnis (266190) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553790)

Yup. The new contoller looks crappy. Trying to tweak perfection = bad idea.

I hope they either provide a way to connect old PS2 controllers (bluetooth device with controller ports?) or release a 'classic' controller identical to PS2 model as option.

Re:Controller (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553847)


No shit. That was my first thought at looking at that shot. At least the 360's controller was an improvement on the Xboxes (like that was hard...)

Now here's to hoping that the Revolution hasn't fucked up the GCN controller....

Like the XBox controller (5, Interesting)

valkyriekl (788246) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553895)

might look crappy...but it might work out fine...

I like the old PSX controllers, except for one point: the grips are too small for my hands; after a couple hours of intense gameplay, my hands ache from trying to squeeze something so small. The XBox controllers, on the other hand, fit my hands quite nicely (although I don't really like where the buttons are), and everyone seemed to pick on the controllers back when the XBox was released.

Re:Controller (2, Insightful)

basshedz2 (771482) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553903)

I also think that the controller wont be as good as the ps/ps2 one. I think that the ps/ps2 controllers are an incredible feat of ergonomic engineering, and nothing else has come close (xbox controller anyone?). However, i am prepared to give them a chance when they're released. And then hate them.

Re:Controller (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12554018)

I personally like the XBox controller. But, then again, I have large hands. It fits perfectly for me. I have to put the dual shock down after an hour or two just to flex my hands. I can use the Xbox controller all day long with no problems.

I guess everyone is just different. Regardless, the new controllers are scary. They're long, but they're skinny. I don't like that. I want something beefy.

Re:Controller (4, Insightful)

Trurl's Machine (651488) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553923)

I hope they either provide a way to connect old PS2 controllers (bluetooth device with controller ports?) or release a 'classic' controller identical to PS2 model as option.

Since it is supposed to be - quoting TFA - "backward compatible all the way to the original PlayStation" - it will be obviously possible. Backwards compatibility was the key factor for me to chose PS2 instead of XBox - I just would miss Syphon Filter and my kids would miss Crash Bandicoot games too much to scrap all our old collection of our favorite games. PS2 even reads PSX memory cards, so we could move even our saved game profiles. I hope this will be possible with PS3 too. If it will - and it looks like it will - then Microsoft has nothing to offer me. Again.

Re:Controller (1)

spwango (678834) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553957)

The PS2 controllers are anything but perfection. I in fact just added a PS2 to my collection, and I must say, I find it the most uncomfortable (not to mention the least well built) of the three controllers. I'm downright stunned they didn't move the left analog stick to the primary position. Also, I think MS has a good thing going with triggers instead of shoulder buttons...I was hoping Sony would adopt that as well (beats the hell out of using the right stick for racers and such). That said, I could give a crap what it looks like if it doesn't hurt my hands.

Re:Controller (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553965)

I will never quite comprehend how so many people think the puny little PS2 controller (designed to fit the tiny hands of Japanese children) is somehow the only acceptable size and shape for a controller to be.

Shit, I get CTS just looking at that cheap plastic hunk of junk.

The original "huge" X-Box controller was fantastic. This new PS3 controller looks pretty good.

Don't like it? I'm sure somebody will release an alternative just for you whining bitches.

What about the old controllers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553792)

My PS controller works fine with my PS2.

Re:What about the old controllers? (-1, Troll)

Inda (580031) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553914)

Where are you going to plug it in dude?

Looks good (Seriously) + better than XBox -360 (1)

BigAlexK (398239) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553794)

Yeah, I'm up for that. I like the design, despite seeing derogatory comments elsewhere. I like that it's way better than XBox 360. Pity there arent' the rumoured 4 Cell's rather than one, but hey, it's the result that counts.

Can't wait to cream my pants playing Gran Tourismo on it!

PS3 Controller (1)

CrazyNateJS (653611) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553802)

Looking at the image of the controller, it actually looks similar to the Logitech Action series of controllers for the PS2/XBox, with only the "fins" on either side being longer. I think, like any controller, the real test will be when you get it in your hands...so I wouldn't count it out quite yet...

Analog sticks (2, Interesting)

SpiffyMarc (590301) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553806)

They still didn't move the analog sticks.

My thumbs surrender.

Yeah,,, (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553807)

Saw this on CNN an hour ago.

Sony SDK ? (1)

distributed (714952) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553811)

MS/Nintendo cannot really match the Sony hardware. Lets hope the Sony SDK is also good enough. Then they are royally screwd !!

Re:Sony SDK ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553885)

Maybe controller wise, but I'm sure the majority would agree that Nintendo has higher quality hardware than Sony. You seem to forget the early models with their dying hardware?

Re:Sony SDK ? (1)

distributed (714952) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553986)

yep.. u r rite about that.
But the present is much different in case of revolution vs. ps3 (not going into portables).
Since Nintendo is also expected to go for a customized multi powerPC based system.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/16/nintendo_r evolution_revelation/ [theregister.co.uk]

Somewhat like MS... i think.

Why 7? (4, Interesting)

XgD (578260) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553813)

7 bluetooth controllers? Why 7? not 8? even the current Playstation 2 lets you have 8 controllers!

Seems a step back... 8-way FIFA games are awesome!

Re:Why 7? (5, Informative)

bosz (621199) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553861)

In a bluetooth piconet you can only connect 8 devices. So that means 7 controllers and 1 console.

Re:Why 7? (5, Funny)

killmenow (184444) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553862)

Why not 6, Blake? Why not 6?

Re:Why 7? - because controller 8 is probably... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553866)

A PS3 remote control for watching TV

Re:Why 7? (1)

Jon Chatow (25684) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553884)

I imagine it's due to the way the Bluetooth protocol works, with 8 active devices at any one time (including the host).

Re:Why 7? (1)

raffe (28595) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553886)

bluetooth doesnt allow for more than 7 units, Its in the bluetooth spec.

So.... (0, Flamebait)

mattmentecky (799199) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553814)

Is it just me or did both PS3 and Xbox360 designers try really hard to make a console in the vain light of iPod popularity?

It's just you (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553863)

Actually what you can see is Sony and MS really putting a design effort into their products (whether they succeeded or not is of course an other question and would make great flamewar material.)

But in the vain light of iPod popularity? No, not really when you look at them.

The only thing where the iPod might actually have played a role is in reminding tech companies that design does indeed matter, which btw. is a good thing.

Re:So.... (2, Insightful)

MankyD (567984) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553908)

I wouldn't call it the vain light. Rather, the iPod, in this case, inspired designers to break out of there black box designs.

It's also obvious these don't copy the iPod. What they do is suggest more creative and liberal industrial design - empowered by Apple's success. More power to everyone for that.

Don't pre-judge the controller, folks (3, Interesting)

l33t-gu3lph1t3 (567059) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553818)

Only long hours of gameplay experience will reveal the merits of the new Playstation-3 controller. Don't get all huffy - yet. One thing I'm wondering about is the # of controllres. Why 7? Is it a bluetooth limitation?

Missing Christmas? (1)

NardofDoom (821951) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553825)

Something must seriously be wrong at Sony if the PS3's rollout is going to be missing Christmas.

Re:Missing Christmas? (1)

pegasustonans (589396) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553867)

Something must seriously be wrong at Sony if the PS3's rollout is going to be missing Christmas.

Sony never really planned to have the PS3 out this year, so why would something be wrong?

Re:Missing Christmas? (0, Flamebait)

Dogers (446369) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553926)

Sony never really planned to have the PS3 out this year, so why would something be wrong?


Hurrah! Continuing in the past Sony successes..

PS2, hardware died early
PSP, crappy button and dead pixels
PS3, TBA

Re:Missing Christmas? (1)

distributed (714952) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553909)

Well, they have awfully more complicated/non-standard/novel hardware. And the cell-cpu is touted to be more a software+hardware combo kind of arch (i think).

And their marketing can take good care of the xmas issue... like driving the point of.. waiting for a better console ?

And if they can make the cell work for this, we could be in for a revolution.

The controler (1)

part_of_you (859291) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553829)

Sony did much research on it, and found that it would be best for angry teens to have a boomerang controler that, when thrown, will just come right back to them.

DualShock for the Americans (1)

puckmaster87 (740068) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553830)

Well it seems after American complaints of the DualShock 2 being too small for their hands, Sony decided to add "wings" to it. Incredibly ugly. But I'm still getting one :)

The controller (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553832)

Looks like my sister will love this controller what not with it's vibration function.

Re:The controller (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553851)

You'll be using in on her, then?

Re:The controller (5, Funny)

xxavierg (538582) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553953)

that is a really disturbing post. perhaps "girlfriend" or "wife" or "partner" instead of sister would make it a little less...uhh...wrong...

I like the Controller (1)

pegasustonans (589396) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553838)

I think the controller looks fine. I do have some questions about how well it'll fit my hands, but Sony has always been pretty good with ergonomics. So long as it's comfortable, I think it'll be great.

The Controller..OMG (5, Funny)

cOdEgUru (181536) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553845)

The top five reasons why Sony might want to rethink the controller design:

1) Players would use it as a boomerang to exact revenge on their opponents outside the realm of the PS3

2) A certain religious group might object to the "crescent" shaped design and might get their panties in a knot.

3) The controller ends up being a tool to massage your pressure points and used less for gaming

4) Female Players take it further and use it to simulate two spots at once. Oh goody!

5) It looks like one of those guns in Battle Field Earth [tribute.ca]

I don't like how it looks (1)

dubiousx99 (857639) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553848)

/em puts on flame retardent suit Doesn't anyone else feel that it looks like a console from the 80's trying to hard to seem futuristic? I think the damn thing is ugly as sin. It looks like the controllers are going to be USB so it will probably take some kinda of USB adapter to use your old controllers. I'm sure if Sony doesn't release an adapter one of the other controller makers will do it soon after release.

Re:I don't like how it looks (3, Informative)

taskforce (866056) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553920)

The controllers are Bluetooth, you can have up to 7 of them as opposed to the 360's 4.

Microsoft vaporware (-1, Troll)

SamSeaborn (724276) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553850)

For years Microsoft has made a practice of announcing their products long before they will ever be available. The intention is to pre-empt their competitors' product announcements so potential buyers will reconsider their buying decision.

And the media has always bought into it; this has been going on since the early days of Windows versus OS/2, and is still happening now with Longhorn versus Tiger.

It's now obvious that the only reason Microsoft announced XBox 360 last week (an alleged "six months" before actual release) was to pre-empt this announcement by Sony.

$20 says the PS3 will be on the shelves months before XBox 360 see the light of Circuit City.

Sam

Re:Microsoft vaporware (1)

elchuppa (602031) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553962)

I think you're wrong this time. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the PS2 that comes out significantly later than Spring 2006, with the earlier stated date intended to stop customers buying the xbox. If you'd done any research you'd know that Xbox360 is more or less confirmed for November launch, the PS3 on the other hand wasn't supposed to come out till late in 2006.

Re:Microsoft vaporware (4, Insightful)

Faeton (522316) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553973)

I'll take your $20. Too bad they've already announced that the XBox 360 will be out this holiday season, and the PS3 will be out 6 months later. What you're predicting is that the XBox 360 will be MORE than 1 year late.

I highly doubt that Microsoft would risk such a leathal blow as to slip the all-important holiday season. They'll need all the help they can get now that the PS3 has announced they're full backwards compatible, with some nifty features that the Xbox 360 doesn't have (Bluetooth, 1080i).

Re:Microsoft vaporware (1)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 9 years ago | (#12554020)

The XBox has 1080i, as does the XBox 360.

Oddly enough, the Atari Collection for XBox is one of the games that supports 1080i...why? :-)

Re:Microsoft vaporware (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12554013)

perhaps MS employees are too busy watching Toy Story rendering on their PS2.

Re:Microsoft vaporware (1)

allanc (25681) | more than 9 years ago | (#12554029)

Which, if we remember the lessons of Osborne, could blow up in their face. They announced the successors to the Osborne 1 way too early--people stopped buying Osborne 1s because they wanted to wait for the "just around the corner" Osborne 2. They eventually got the Osborne 2 out the door, but by then, the company had pretty much run out of money.

So I'm wondering if Microsoft's early announcement is going to screw them. Especially given that, as far as I've heard, they've made no specific announcement with regards to backwards compatibility as of yet.

(Then again, lack of backwards compatibility might just work in Microsoft's favor. People might just think of the XBox and XBox 360 as completely different systems, so they'll still buy one to play games like Halo and Halo 2 even though there's a new machine coming out in the not-too-distant future, whereas with the PS3, consumers who want to play PS2/PSX games might wait so they're not left out when PS3 games start appearing)

But will anyone care? (1, Insightful)

porkchop_d_clown (39923) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553853)

So, the games I played on my C64 are now available as a battery powered joystick that plugs into a TV. The games I played on an Amiga are now available as cartridges for the GBA. The games I played on my PSOne and PS2 are being ported to the PSP. Square is releasing a sequel for Final Fantasy VII and there have to have been at least that many Armored Core games.

Notice a theme here? The horsepower of these systems surpassed the requirements of gamers a long time ago. The only reason for releasing the PS3 is to try and boost sales through increased press exposure and slightly prettier explosions.

Re:But will anyone care? (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553982)

The only reason for releasing the PS3 is to try and boost sales through increased press exposure and slightly prettier explosions.

I assume you mean this goes for any gaming system and/or game right? Halo/Doom3 is nothing more than a FPS with prettier explosions. The XBox2 is nothing more than a typical game system with more horsepower, right?

Overall, I'm impressed that Sony allowed for SD cards, CF cards, and Memory Sticks. They also went for DVD+/-R/W on the drive. Great move IMHO.

Bluetooth controllers can always been changed so the new design isn't much of an issue to me.

Re:But will anyone care? (1)

Slashcrap (869349) | more than 9 years ago | (#12554033)

Notice a theme here? The horsepower of these systems surpassed the requirements of gamers a long time ago.

That's funny. The theme I notice is that technology keeps advancing which makes things possible that no-one would have even dreamed of before. Such as a C64 built in to a joystick.

You seem to lack imagination. Maybe you should try and cut down on the game playing for a while?

Rehashed quote? (4, Insightful)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553857)

The console also boasts a new graphics chip from Nvidia, which Sony claims can create movie-quality images in real time in games.

Sure there was something said about the Playstation 2, Toy Story and realtime graphics quality that never turned out to be true......

MS Ready To Pull The Plug On The 360? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553859)

Is it true that MS may cancel the whole xbox project after this past disastrous week? I think a delay would be a better idea, they have the money to go back to the drawing board and come up with something that can compete with the PS3.

Controller changed due to lawsuit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553864)

Anyone remember this [princeton.edu] ?

backward compatable! -Blu Ray (5, Interesting)

acomj (20611) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553870)

This will get Blu-Ray players into peoples home like the playstation did with dvds.

Interesting to compare tatics, as MS is ending xbox games development this year and Sony is continuing for 2 more. Nintendo is also continueing development.

Also playstation will be backward compatable. This is great, because there will be a huge library of working games for it. Also they get that games are not just about the graphics, so HD will not be requires .

From NYT
"
While every Xbox 360 title must be developed in high definition, Sony officials are playing down that aspect of the new PlayStation. "Blu-ray technology guarantees the highest graphic quality," said Jack Tretton, executive vice president of Sony Computer Entertainment America. "HD is not the be-all and end-all," Mr. Tretton said, noting that the depth of game play could be more important.

Microsoft executives have decided to end internal development of games for the current Xbox this year, but Sony will continue to create titles for the PlayStation 2.

"We'd be crazy to abandon them," said Mr. Tretton, speaking of PlayStation 2 owners.

Backwards Compatability (1)

Eu4ria (110578) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553876)

According to the article the PS3 will be backwardly compatible and the Nintendo Revolution is going to have it too. Microsoft havent said anything yet so it sounds like they may not have it. either that or they are trying to make it work somehow and havent yet. I think without it the Xbox 360 is going to look very bad, even if it has more power than say the revolution.

Re:Backwards Compatability (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553935)

"I think without it the Xbox 360 is going to look very bad, even if it has more power than say the revolution."

The Revolution is going to be significantly more powerful than the 360. Hell dual Powermacs with 970s are probably already more powerful than what MS is releasing in November due to the stripped down inorder cores.

The 360 is going to be the weakest console compared to its contemporaries in the history of the console market. Mixed with the nightmare to code for three core inorder cpu, things are looking grim for the MS.

Re:Backwards Compatability (1)

Morgon (27979) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553997)

The 360 team announced in their E3 kickoff (a couple hours after Sony's last night) that backwards compatibility will be an included feature.

Re:Backwards Compatability (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12554025)

Oh joy! More Microsoft lies for their dimwitted fanboys to believe.

A few 'popular' titles are all that are BC. And 'maybe' there will be more in the future.

MS == Retards With Money

prices (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553887)

So when can we expect the price to drop on the PS2?

That controller looks familiar (3, Funny)

brian0918 (638904) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553888)

I'm fairly certain the Feral Kid used the PS3 controller in Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior.

Observations (1)

cryptochrome (303529) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553899)

1) Neither the xbox360 nor the ps3 are designed to have anything stack on top of it. The gamecube certainly didn't. No desire for people to have more than one system eh?

2) The xbox and its controller are clearly designed to integrate gaming with other uses of the console and television screen, particularly for use of the xbox live service. In particular there was a special button on the controller for it. PS3 does not appear to have an equivalent, which could be a serious mistake. However, their blu-ray drive will help draw in purchases.

burner (0)

raffe (28595) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553912)

another diff is that the xbox has a burner and the ps3 doesnt.

Another question is if you can access the disk of the xbox / ps3 from a pc (win/lin/mac)?

Re:burner (1)

RaboKrabekian (461040) | more than 9 years ago | (#12554055)

another diff is that the xbox has a burner and the ps3 doesnt.

This is incorrect. The XBox 360 does not have a burner.

Yeah, brian0918 is right... (1)

KipCas (872321) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553918)

But at least now when you throw the controller it will come back to you.

a curved surface? (1)

docdude316 (836485) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553925)

I personally think the thing is ugly, but my main question is, why have on surface curved? won't that make it harder to stack within all your other media components? Also did Spider-man have something to do with the development, because they decided to steal his font.

Ergonomics (1)

Junglebookboy (850882) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553930)

You can bet your last sheckel that the folks at sony have done their research as far as the ergonomics go... They did a pretty good job with the last controller. We'll have to see how it feels when in the hand... It looks funky anyway *grin* co it could very well be an improvement if it is as comfortable as the old one - at least it's shiny! Looks pretty hot - and I'm sure there'll be a booster gadget of some kind that will allow additional controllers...

256Mb XDR Main RAM ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553945)

Doesn't sound like enough ...

programmability (2, Interesting)

distantbody (852269) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553952)

After all is said and done about the design,the real make-or-break will be the ease of programmability. As im sure you have heared, the ps2 was a nightmare to code for compared to the xbox. ps2 games slowly increased in graphical complexity as developers learned how to get the most out of the ps2. The xbox plateaued very early as devs learnt how to get the most out of it very quickly (due to its familiar architecture). Now hears the thing: CELL. Its the ps3's strongest asset, but potentially its greatest liability, if it proves to be a nightmare to code for. I have a strange feeling that two powerpc cores (or whatever the fuck the 360 has) will be a hell of a easier to code for than the unique eight string (?) CELL. I just hope im wrong though, because i beleive the ps3 has a lot more potential. Thats your hardware lesson for the day folks, now let your teacher drown his sorrows in his cheap imported brandy.

-- im TIRED. leave me alone

Re:programmability (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553978)

Always nice to hear from some random fanboy parroting bullshit.

Re:programmability (1)

distantbody (852269) | more than 9 years ago | (#12554005)

Its always good to hear from, wait, Shut The Fuck Up.

Is it.. (1)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553968)

Is it me or does this look like the Xbox 2 to anyone else? They both seem to be giant iPods with a weird shape...

I guess Nintendos "new kickass thing" is not using a design which is already looking generic and vile. If you look at any of Nintendos consoles they date well because they have their own "clunky yet cool" style, which even the PS has to some point. Where as the latest two machines unveiled just appear to be clones of the same damn thing. Give it 5 years when iPods arn't so cool any more and it'll seem like an eye sore.

On the other hand a Gundam game has already been shown for it (Mobile Suit Gundam : Mobile suit Gundam world), so I'll be buying one for that like I bought the PS2 for Gundam games.

Controller (2, Interesting)

ctid (449118) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553972)

Did anyone else look at that controller and think, "steering wheel". I wonder what is inside it.

Will the PC hardware prices come down? (1)

thenetbox (809459) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553979)

There is a huge PC gamer community and I'm sure many would want to play games that look like these next gen console games. Why would they spend $1000 on two ATI 6800s (and then multicore processors.. crap loads of RAM etcetc) when they could get an xbox360 or PS3 for around $300 to $400. Plus these have multicore procecssors etc..

Are the prices for PC hardware coming down significantly now? At least low enough so that a $1500 computer would be able to do everything a PS3 could do?

get your facts straight (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12553980)

xbox 360 does NOT have a burner
ps3 controller is freaking ugly and uncomfortable
xbox 306 IS backwards compatible (announced last night at the keynote)
ps3 looks like a george forman grill with an ipod paintjob...

That controller is so ugly ... (1)

mark_jabroni (547666) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553987)

It went to an ugly controller contest and they said, "Sorry, no professionals."

Finally! (0, Troll)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 9 years ago | (#12553996)

Goodbye wintel,
Hello Playstation!

someone with CPU knowledge? (3, Interesting)

NeMon'ess (160583) | more than 9 years ago | (#12554003)

Can someone who actually has a clue speculate on what it means to compare the

PS3: [yahoo.com] PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE * 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy

to the xbox360: [xbox.com]
Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total
VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total
128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
1 MB L2 cache

Also, what is XDR RAM? I've never heard of it, but the PS3 has 256MB of it running at 3.2GHz. It also has 256MB of GDDR3 VRAM at 700MHz.

The xbox360 has 512MB GDDR3 RAM at 700MHz unified, for the ATI video chip and CPU to share. How will these compare? Unified vs 256MB of blazing fast? Is it too late and or costly for Microsoft to switch to XDR?

Re:someone with CPU knowledge? (3, Interesting)

Oliver Aaltonen (606410) | more than 9 years ago | (#12554039)

Anand's [anandtech.com]

OMG (1)

fimbulvetr (598306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12554014)

The Cylons designed the PS3 controllers!
Run for your lives!

Screenshots? (1)

Shky (703024) | more than 9 years ago | (#12554030)

Come on people, captures of FMVs are NOT SCREENSHOTS of games. We want to see playable. It's like taking a screencapture of Toy Story and saying that the PS2 can render it in realtime. Wait...

One good thing about the controller... (3, Funny)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 9 years ago | (#12554042)

At least when you get pissed off at the game and throw the controller at the tv, it'll come back to you now...

Controllers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12554044)

I currently own a PS2 (pretty much for Grand Theft Auto alone) and a Gamecube. I've also used an xbox on a few occasions. I've come to the conclusion that the Gamecube has, by far, the best controller.

The Xbox pad is a nightmare. Perhaps that's just my opinion, but I find it very difficult to get the button locations into "muscle memory" where I can hit buttons without consciously thinking about them. The key problems seem to be the fact that MS have attempted to cram as many buttons as possible onto the pad, and the fact that as a result of this, the damn thing is huge.

The Sony Dual Shock pad was probably the simplest in terms of the number of buttons and their location on the controller, but the layout always stuck me as being somewhat arbitrary. The designers seem to have been dead set on a symetrical design and I think this was a higher priority than maximising usability.

The Cube pad, on the other hand, looks somewhat chunky and unweildy but is a joy to use. The location of the primary analogue stick is perfect. Sony's, by comparison, requires me to stretch my thumb and can become a little irritating after a few hours. The action buttons on the right side of the pad are distinct shapes, which helps with recognition by touch rather than simply relying on the user's ability to memorise the location of each buttom. The shoulder buttons are good and chunky and the lesser used direction buttons and C stick are relegated to a position similar to the analogue controls on the Dual Shock.

When I first heard that Sony had changed the pad design I was somewhat pleased, but the new pad looks like a step backwards, if anything. I won't be too damning until I've had a chance to play the PS3, but from the photos available I imagine that the user is required to kinda half-cup their hands to cover all the buttons at once. It would also be nice to see an analogue stick as the main controller.

Ah well, it should be interesting to see what the Revolution pad looks like.

Killzone (5, Interesting)

Ford Prefect (8777) | more than 9 years ago | (#12554046)

There's a utterly spectacular Killzone video [filerush.com] doing the rounds, along with some rather pretty screenshots [eurogamer.net] .

Except they look a bit too good. Almost, dare I say it, pre-rendered. Has Sony done the ultimate and presented a completely non-PS3, non-game 3D animation as actual gameplay?

Impressive trailer (1)

myspys (204685) | more than 9 years ago | (#12554051)

as posted in the earlier PS3 article:

kill zone trailer [gametrailers.com] , on the ps3, in-game/real-time apparently

it was also pointed out (by KDR_11k (778916)) that it's being argued if the trailer is pre-rendered or in-game here [polycount.net]

At least.... (1)

Sewer Panda (812292) | more than 9 years ago | (#12554052)

It mentions some potential for compatibility with the PSP...this was one of the reasons I held back on buying the handheld console. Although it's interesting that the Playstation 3 does not include some sort of a UMD player (perhaps the PSP will load UMD format games onto the Playstation 3?)
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