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Dvorak on the LinuxWorld Fracas

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the fuel-on-the-fire dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "John C. Dvorak has entered the fray, offering his opinion on the O'Gara LinuxWorld flap. From the article: '...the Linux community is slowly evolving into a state of mob rule, with the cheerleaders being paranoid crackpot leftovers from the waning days of Amiga.' "

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You dare defile Amiga!? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556507)

Nice troll. Where is that quote in the article? Crackpot leftovers from the waning days of Amiga MY ASS!

*smashes keyboard in half*

And I don't want to take your stupid little javascript survey either, damn I need a smoke.

Re:You dare defile Amiga!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556521)

If the leftover is the cool pendulum graphic, that'd be ok...you know, the one with the five silver balls...

Re:You dare defile Amiga!? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556532)

> Nice troll. Where is that quote in the article?

Page 2.

But a very nice troll anyway...

Re:You dare defile Amiga!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556545)

Oh man, two pages of this stuff, that just pisses me off more.

Re:You dare defile Amiga!? (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556546)

Where is that quote in the article?

Second page. Click on "Next >" and you'll find it.

Nice troll.

Dvorak's specialty.

And I don't want to take your stupid little javascript survey either

You lost me there.

Re:You dare defile Amiga!? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556588)

If you're using Firefox (or IE too I imagine) just click the link a few times, it will ask you to take a survey, and if you click "no" it will bounce you back to Slashdot.

Cheap shot (4, Insightful)

suso (153703) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556511)

If you ask me, Dvorak is the paranoid crackpot leftover from the waning days of the Amiga. Every community has its lunatics, just watch some Jerry Springer, your local city hall meetings or sit on the city sidewalk on a Friday night. For the Linux or Amiga community to have them is a sign of balance. Its the media that ends up giving them the light that stereotypes the whole community.

What the Linux community needs right now is a good leader. Someone to make everyone realize that the community is the one that is in charge of the direction of things and help them to focus their efforts.

Re:Cheap shot (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556620)

It's great seeing the Linux community proving exactly what Dvorak is talking about.

I can't wait to see this thread unfold. The fact that you know deterministically that this will turn into a "Dvorak SuX bcuz hes lame" marathon proves exactly how right he is.

To the replies saying "no, wait, we're not like that" -- read Slashdot more. The deterioration from a site where intelligent people shared ideas into a cesspool of nonstop idiocy and foolhardy arguments powered by nothing more than zealotry is astounding.

I'm glad today happened to be the once in a long time that I chose to read this site. This kind of discussion always reminds me why I should no longer waste my time in this community.

Re:Cheap shot (2, Insightful)

epine (68316) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556622)


When it comes to the "trash heap of history" Dvorak can claim more than his fair share of expertise. He's "seen worse on TV" and that's supposed to represent the affairs of the "sane"? No community deserves to be tarred with a single brush. That would pretty much mandate astroturfing by hostile parties.

I tought it turned into a rumpus later (0, Offtopic)

nietsch (112711) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556667)

Ha, I always wanted to post a discword quote on /.

What is the meaning of a fracas or a rumpus outside of a Pratchett novel?

Re:Cheap shot (3, Insightful)

MrAnnoyanceToYou (654053) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556698)

Hrm. A few things I'd like to comment upon here:

A:
There's too much infighting in the Linux community for it to have a leader at all. Everyone I've ever met who was absolutely incredible with computers was also quite the control freak. The reason a leader has not emerged is because the Linux community is defined by its individuals' refusal to either follow or be given a direction.

B:
Dvorak is not really a crackpot leftover. He's apparently become an authoritarian, which is quite a bad thing. Originally he came up with an efficient solution to a problem created in an arbitrary manner, and he saw it fade into obscurity. The funny thing is that now you have to question whether or not he is disappointed he did not become the leader you say Linux so desperately needs. Amusingly enough, there are plenty of strong personalities in the Linux universe, it's just that there aren't any that are good at the kind of leadership required, because it's a very new kind of leadership.

C:
Blaming this on 'the media' is not exactly useful. The media is a nice thing to blame everything on, but really in this case it's more the Linux community's fault for their older public relations blunders. Laughing at the hordes of newbies, not building easy to use software at the beginning, etc. These shortcomings are all slowly being righted. The funny thing is, they're all being righted in a very communal manner, with leaders emerging, but most of these leaders falling back into the background and not trying to hog the spotlight.

You mention a 'good leader' and then move to requirements for a 'strong leader.' Linux's communities will reject a strong leader. Instinctively. But a good leader will not need to do the pushing that a strong one does.

Brought to you by the letters A, B, C and D(vorak) (5, Insightful)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556518)

So if I'm reading this right, Dvorak is saying that (a) O'Gara was wrong in what she was writing, (b) wrong in doing what she did and (c) just doing it to drudge (no pun intended) up a few more pageviews, and that (d) the "Linux community" was in the wrong (or, better yet, had "imploded" and turned into "paranoid Amiga user"s) for kicking her and her half-assed reporting to the curb.

Okay, yeah, I think I see your point here, John:

We should be more understanding towards useless "journalism" and media flamebaiting, because without those practices you might actually have to come up with something insightful or worthwhile every week to fill out your column and earn page hits. Hey, I can see where you're coming from -- that'd take legwork, insight and generally staying on top of the industry. I imagine that's hard work, and trust me: I'm right there with you on the "I don't like hard work" page.

BTW, congrats on getting your flamebait article on the front page of Slashdot. It's good to know that *some* "journalists" are still able to use (a) and (b) successfully to drum up (c). It's gotta be a good feeling to walk into your boss's office at review time and wave around yet another spike in ad impressions courtesy of the Slashdot crowd -- I hope you're appreciative enough to include Zonk on your Christmas card list!

Anyhow, hope preparing your standard self-righteous indignation column for when (d) inevitably rolls around is going well. Aw, who am I kidding, I know you're an old pro -- I'm sure you were already writing that one when you handed in this last article to your editor.

A little trolling, and two columns done and in the bank. Must be a nice life.

Re:Brought to you by the letters A, B, C and D(vor (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556571)

You're right. If Dvorak wants to be taken seriously, he should start stalking a target. Linus, perhaps?

Re:Brought to you by the letters A, B, C and D(vor (1)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556617)

I seem to remember reading someplace that Tove is a karate champion of one variety or another.

So, yeah, Dvorak should definately start stalking Linus. And he should bring along a crew to videotape it -- when that one hit the net, I'd watch it every morning while I ate my Cheerios.

Re:Brought to you by the letters A, B, C and D(vor (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556579)

wow that's the nice version of what I thought.

thanks for writing it before I could.

I had all sorts of names to call him, but the polite way is always more fun. People don't expect it.

Re:Brought to you by the letters A, B, C and D(vor (4, Insightful)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556591)

Well, he lives by his own words doesn't he? He drums up an article or two on controversial subjects, gets them posted on Slashdot and his column gets more hits than the rest of the articles combined (stages scenario, I don't know the exact figures off course).

The problem is that the Slashdot editors also seem to love the controversy a Dvorak article is sure to bring in, having someone to bash is just good for business I guess.

Re:Brought to you by the letters A, B, C and D(vor (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556680)

Woot.

However, what you're looking for is 'dredge'. Using 'drudge' would indeed be pun-intended.

What an asshole. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556519)

Oh, brother. In the olden days, O'Gara would have been given a medal for generating readership.
Hasn't this idiot ever heard of journalistic integrity?

Re:What an asshole. (1)

DaHat (247651) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556577)

No doubt he has, but it has gone the way of the 8-bit microprocessor and Gopher.

They all exist, but are quite rare and have been replaced by more popular and often more powerful alternatives.

paranoid crackpot leftovers? (1)

ravenspear (756059) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556523)

Says Dvorak, the wise, all knowing sage...oh wait.

Maybe this was a subconscious self-referential compliment.

Against my better judgement (3, Interesting)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556529)

I'll say Dvorak has some good points.

I don't believe that either PJ or O'Gara are paid shills and Dvorak does a good job of explaining why.

I also believe that O'Gara was merely being controversial.

Interesting conspiracy theory that the rabid zealotry may be astroturfing on the part of MSFT, etc... I'll point out that said zealotry has existed for much longer than MSFT has been concerned about FOSS as a threat. Case in point: Stallman.

Re:Against my better judgement (5, Insightful)

Alpha Prime (25709) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556691)

I also believe that O'Gara was merely being controversial.

Publishing someones phone number and address, and even their mother's address, goes way beyond being controversial. It's a privacy violation.

who cares? (1, Funny)

hostyle (773991) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556533)

Burn 'im. 'E's a witch!

Ah, Mr. Dvorak (1)

CaptainZapp (182233) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556547)

With the rise of the PC - approximately end of the eighties - I determined that Mr. Dvorak is an idiot, who is rather full of himself.

So now, nearly 20 years later, why exactly is it that I should give a flying fuck about Mr. Dvoraks opinion?

Re:Ah, Mr. Dvorak (1)

Jaden42 (466735) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556713)

For the same reason anyone pays attention to this website for more than a millisecond: a different opinion.

I've been a slashdot reader for years, and there are times I find myself wondering why the hell I read when virtually every "opinion" piece here is someone's tired old rhetoric of "we're David and they are Goliath!". Or every Microsoft news story turns into a flame fest of +5s on every piece of posted troll against Microsoft.

Perhaps if people here learned to respect the value of outside opinions, outside people might respect the opinions posted here.

-J

Groklaw a front? (1)

amightywind (691887) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556548)

...with veiled accusations that the entire Groklaw site is a front for IBM in its battle with SCO

I thought Groklaw is a front for Jehovas's Witness? (No flames please. PJ is great.)

No, no (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556719)

Groklaw is actually a front for SCO.

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Rather be considered a crackpot... (4, Insightful)

DaGoodBoy (8080) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556556)

...than a toadying suck-up to vendors.

DaGoodBoy

I think Dvorak just uses these insults (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556557)

...to boost the number of clicks on his column.

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Stop Quoting Dvorak (5, Funny)

null etc. (524767) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556575)

Listen, you know what would truly be news? The day that Dvorak says something Score +5: Insightful. This guy is less coherent and competent than my grandmother, who is dead.

As it is, all pending Dvorak story submissions should be entitled:

Opinions are like assholes - no one wants a whiff of Dvorak's.

Mod Dvorak -1, Flamebait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556583)

How can anyone take this guy seriously? He obviously hasn't read any of PJ's stories over at Groklaw where she is cogent, lucid and respectful (even though MOG certainly doesn't deserve any). What the heck was his point again?

Dvorak trolling? (5, Insightful)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556584)

Curious. Dvorak (a) suggests O'Gara's reporting may be "nutty" but perfectly worthy of publication:
Oh, brother. In the olden days, O'Gara would have been given a medal for generating readership. But in today's world of the so easily offended, she's apparently let go instead, and things calm down as the hissy fit subsides.
and (b) castigates O'Gara and Jones/The Entire Linux Community for claiming the other is a stooge for some evil entity:
That said, the Linux community figures that O'Gara is being paid by SCO or Microsoft or someone bad. Again, if this were so, and if it was ever proven or stumbled on during the discovery process (nothing to take lightly), it would be a disaster for the litigation chances of the company doing the paying. It just wouldn't be worth the risk. It appears to me that O'Gara is just being overly provocative to get readers.
while speculating that the presence of people offended by O'Gara in the Linux community is in fact... wait for it... a giant conspiracy by Microsoft!
If anything is going to kill Linux and the open-source movement, it's the presence of certifiable lunatics in the ranks representing the users. It may be that this is actually a deep Astroturf PR campaign orchestrated by Microsoft to discredit open source and Linux. It sure seems like something weird is going on.
Oh brother.

Here's the deal John:

1. There were many reasonable people offended by O'Gara and her attempts to intimidate Jones. And that's what you have to call it, because if you're trying to find out if someone's a stooge for IBM (Dvorak suggests this is all O'Gara was trying to do), you're not making your case by publishing the address of their mother.

2. Calling for a journalist to be disciplined, up and including being fired, for a clearly inaccurate and evil piece of journalism is not, in any way, "nutty" or indicative of "mob rule". To lump those who have done so with those on the fringes making death threats is to lump all christians with anti-abortionist murderers of doctors, or all muslims concerned about the US presence in the Middle East with Osama Bin Laden.

It's really that simple. Something did something clearly wrong to many of us, so many of us publicly expressed our disappointment. Some did so angrily, some didn't.

It's the height of paranoid fanaticism (and yes, I use the word paranoid quite justifiably):

I can tell you that my mere mentioning of any of this will result in incredibly hateful attempted postings on this forum and on my moderated blog. What is wrong with these people?
to lump together a diverse group of people with differing opinions and charge them with some conspiracy to attack you.

That's assuming you're not trolling for webpage hits. I assume the editors were by posting this article.

Oh god not dvorak (4, Insightful)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556585)

Oh, brother. In the olden days, O'Gara would have been given a medal for generating readership. But in today's world of the so easily offended, she's apparently let go instead, and things calm down as the hissy fit subsides.
In the good old days she would of been fired on the spot for unethical behaviour , i think he is confusing the good old days with the 1980s .

So Dvorak has seen another chance to jump in the lime light and play the under-dog
and stir up some controversy by calling all of us who called for O'gara to be fired "lunatics" (not just those who issued death threats , who are quite likely a bit mad)

Don't buy into this , he is just trying to kick up his readership .

Re:Oh god not dvorak (4, Informative)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556677)

He's actually right, to some extent. Go back further, and you'll find people like Walter Winchell, who, while bringing some really interesting stuff to light, also went out of their way to work with some really sleazy characters to get dirt on people that they didn't like, offended them, or otherwise were deemed worthy of public ridicule for their beliefs, actions, words, or other aspect, whether taken in context or not.

It never really went away. It was just relegated to the fringes of journalism.

Oh wow! Just what we need (4, Insightful)

multiplexo (27356) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556589)

the incredibly insightful babblings of techno-pundit John C. Dvorak. What else can we do to lower the signal to noise ratio and generate more heat and less light? Has Enderle weighed in yet?

Dvorak is on crack if he thinks that there are any businesses that are going to give a shit about the MoG/PJ flap. Businesses adopting Linux and other FOSS products are looking to reduce TCO and also trying to make sure that they don't end up being 0wnz0r3d by Microsoft into perpetuity by having their corporate data locked into proprietary file formats that change from release to release and by being locked into licensing schemes that become ever more onerous and increasingly expensive as time goes on. The antics of the various players in the MoG/PJ flap are going to have about as much impact on the adoption of Linux and FOSS as Steve Ballmer's video, the one where he jumped up and down like a chimp, had on the adoption of Windows XP.

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re paranoid crackpot leftovers from the waning day (1)

Mr. Cancelled (572486) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556604)

I wondered where those guys hung out when they're not trashing others points of view over at OSNews!

Now we know.

Dvorak? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556605)

Oh it's from Dvorak? It must be a bunch of B.S.
There is nothing to see here!
Move along! Move along!
Next article!

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I find it rather contradicting (4, Insightful)

MoneyT (548795) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556621)

that on the one hand he says that the linux community needs to grow up and denounce and eject extremists and fanatics, and on the other hand, criticises them for doing just that with OGara

One of the few occasions I agree with him (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556623)

O'Gara's article was bullshit but if obvious bullshit engenders the sort of response we saw then people are gonna start wondering about just how grounded in reality you really are.

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Tue May 17 18:42:04 CEST 2005 [2728]

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Tue May 17 18:42:05 CEST 2005 [6597]

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (-1)

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Tue May 17 18:42:08 CEST 2005 [5242]

Yes, I'm offended by stalkers (1)

baturkey (55015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556643)

Judges give out restraining orders against stalkers for crying out loud.

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Tue May 17 18:42:41 CEST 2005 [7744]

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Tue May 17 18:42:37 CEST 2005 [4386]

The Worst Part is... (0, Troll)

gbrandt (113294) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556653)

He is right! When Linux gets even headed and even handed people at the helm across the board, things will move in a direction more positive to the masses.

Gregor

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Tue May 17 18:42:46 CEST 2005 [1324]

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Tue May 17 18:42:54 CEST 2005 [8859]

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Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556657)

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Tue May 17 18:42:40 CEST 2005 [5133]

Self-fulfilling theory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556659)

/me reads Dvorak's article
/me looks at Slashdot comments from Linux fanboys
/me nods in agreement

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Tue May 17 18:44:31 CEST 2005 [9662]

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Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556673)

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Tue May 17 18:44:32 CEST 2005 [8245]

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Tue May 17 18:44:34 CEST 2005 [8925]

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Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556676)

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Tue May 17 18:44:34 CEST 2005 [7437]

Thanks (1)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556683)

Lunatics are always among the first adopters of any emerging technology. The same kind of people buy so called "environmentally friendly" electric cars, so that the instead of converting fuel directly to mechanical energy, it's converted to mechanical energy, then electicity, then chemical energy, then electricity again, and back into mechanical energy to move their car.

You don't have to be a lunatic to hate Ms. O'Gara though.

Paranoid crackpots (1)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556684)

>> ...cheerleaders being paranoid crackpot leftovers from the waning days of Amiga...

Suits me. I loved my Amiga. It was a great machine for its time and got me through university just fine.

Overly Provacative is Dvorak MO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556685)

My favorate part:
It appears to me that O'Gara is just being overly provocative to get readers. And apparently it doesn't take much provocation, as the Linux community is slowly evolving into a state of mob rule, with the cheerleaders being paranoid crackpot leftovers from the waning days of Amiga.
It seems that O'Gara isn't the only one being overly provocative to get readers. The rest of Dvorak's article is nothing but provocation and plugs to get people to comment in his message board and blog.

good point! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556690)

Obviously the Linux community should be under the direct control of washed-up print journalists...

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Tue May 17 18:44:54 CEST 2005 [934]

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Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556700)

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Tue May 17 18:45:35 CEST 2005 [1781]

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556703)

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Tue May 17 18:46:03 CEST 2005 [2830]

Qwerty (1)

McGiraf (196030) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556705)

I think I will change my name to Qwerty and start a Dvorak bashing column ...

Just ignore him people (1)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556706)

Like all trolls, if he doesn't get a rise he'll stop eventually

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556708)

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Tue May 17 18:46:25 CEST 2005 [5105]

No more trolls (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556709)

Please please please could the Slashdot editors stop giving these blatant troll writers so much advertising revenue by linking to them. Tech news sites will keep writing all this crap about Linux etc because they know it generates page impressions from outraged geeks.

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556711)

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Tue May 17 18:46:19 CEST 2005 [3167]

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556715)

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Tue May 17 18:46:48 CEST 2005 [998]

Observations (2, Interesting)

Dasein (6110) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556718)

1) In any sufficiently large collection of people, there will be some who are unstable.

2) Linux will not wither because of the nuts -- there's too much value in Linux to business and as long as the value proposition is there, so will Linux.

3) John, and almost any journalist, is probably feeling a little threatened by the MOG story.

Ethical Issues (4, Insightful)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556722)

What's missed in the article by Dvorak is that the O'Gara went beyond the bounds of ethical journalism. It was not intended to inform or to even comment on events, it was designed to make one individual look bad. I think that the LinuxWorld editors did the right thing in leaving because any ompany that doesn't have an issue with that kind of journalism, is not one that you really want to work for.

I think that that point was lost on Dvorak. Whether or not O'Gara is a paid shill or not is beside the point- what she did was not, and should not be considered by Sys-Con, to be appropriate.

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Tue May 17 18:47:28 CEST 2005 [6936]

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556728)

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Tue May 17 18:47:23 CEST 2005 [706]

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12556729)

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Tue May 17 18:47:42 CEST 2005 [214]

Dvorak's article betrays him (5, Insightful)

Cecil (37810) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556733)

From the article:

Oh, brother. In the olden days, O'Gara would have been given a medal for generating readership. But in today's world of the so easily offended, she's apparently let go instead, and things calm down as the hissy fit subsides.

This is the key, right here. It's actually slightly shocking that he let himself shine through so clearly in this paragraph. Dvorak is actually just upset because, y'know, that's his schtick. Generating readership by making inflammatory and offensive articles? That's pure Dvorak. It strikes fear into his black little heart to see someone get fired for doing exactly what he does, so he lashes out at it.

Who needs to be right when you can be controversial?

A pundit moth chasing after the flames (5, Funny)

frag thief (757953) | more than 9 years ago | (#12556735)

Dvorak: "In the olden days, O'Gara would have been given a medal for generating readership."

Earning another medal then, John?

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (0)

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Tue May 17 18:48:39 CEST 2005 [3391]

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Tue May 17 18:47:50 CEST 2005 [8814]

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Tue May 17 18:48:39 CEST 2005 [9631]

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