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NY Times Op-Ed Page Goes Subscriber-Only

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the salaries-to-pay dept.

The Media 400

kevinatilusa writes "The New York Times has announced an expanded subscription service to be launched this September. Subscriptions will cost $49.95 per year and include access to both the Times archives (currently available on a pay-by-the-article basis) and to the paper's op-ed columnists (currently available for free, but probably not for long). The Times also posted a more detailed explanation (registration required) for their decision."

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PEOPLE WITH MOD POINTS: CALL FOR HELP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562113)

There's a guy currently flooding Slashdot with randomly generated crap messages with the intent of disrupting normal discussion. Click on one of the links below to see what I mean. If you have mod points left and aren't sure what to use them for, plase mod him down so we can get his network banned.

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Your help would be very much appreciated. Thanks!

Re:PEOPLE WITH MOD POINTS: CALL FOR HELP (-1, Offtopic)

thundercatslair (809424) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562220)

You are currently flooding slashdot with useless posts like this.

i fail it (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562116)

third post

funny that they require registration to explain the new registration

yeah... (0, Redundant)

swansmt (884791) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562117)

Well, it's about time(s)

Here is the discussion (for those without subscipt (3, Funny)

CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562294)

The New York Times announced yesterday that it would offer a new subscription-based service on its Web site, charging users an annual fee to read its Op-Ed and news columnists, as the newspaper seeks ways to capitalize on the site's popularity.

Press Release (nytco.com) Most material on the Web site, NYTimes.com, will remain free to users, The Times said, but columnists from The Times and The International Herald Tribune will be available only to users who sign up for TimesSelect, which will cost $49.95 a year. The service will also include access to The Times's online archives, as well as other features.

The service, which is scheduled to start in September, will be provided free to home-delivery subscribers of the newspaper.

A decision by The Times about charging users for portions of its Web site had been expected for months in the media industry. While some efforts by other newspapers to charge for content online have worked, others have been withdrawn, including most recently one by The Los Angeles Times, which decided last week to stop charging users a fee for its online entertainment listings, reviews and criticism.

Though advertising on Web sites accounts for only 2 to 3 percent of the revenues of most newspapers, it is the fastest-growing source of revenue. Still, many newspaper Web sites fear that charging money for Internet content may send readers to free sites, with advertisers following close behind.

The New York Times's decision to charge a fee came after about a year of study, said Arthur Sulzberger Jr., chairman of the Times Company and publisher of the newspaper.

Mr. Sulzberger said that while some Internet users accustomed to free content might not be willing to pay, many others would be attracted by the online package of columnists, archives and other material.

"The advertising growth on the Web has been just spectacular the last few years," he said. "But like any business, it's going to mature over time, and when that happens, it will flatten and then you'll get into the normal cycles just like we do it on print. And at that point you're really going to need to have another revenue model."

He added, "This is going to help sustain the quality of the information that we make available."

Alexia S. Quadrani, a senior managing director at Bear, Stearns who follows the publishing and advertising industries, said The Times's plan made sense as a business model.

"All newspapers are looking for new advertising revenue and The New York Times realizes they have high-quality content and are looking at other ways to capitalize on it," she said. "The key is to that you want to maximize the dollars you get on the Internet without alienating the people."

In April, The Times's Web site had 1.7 million unique daily visitors. Its daily newspaper circulation in March 2005, the most recent month available, was 1,136,433.

The Times already charges for some content, including its crossword puzzle, news alerts and online archive. Articles are free for seven days after publication; a fee is charged once they are archived.

TimesSelect will also provide subscribers access to TimesPast, the paper's archives; exclusive multimedia, including audio and photo essays and video; TimesFile, a tool that will help users organize articles; and Ahead of The Times, which will allow subscribers to take an early look at articles that will appear in The New York Times Magazine, and the newspaper's Travel, Sunday Arts and Real Estate sections.

Martha Goldstein, a spokeswoman for The Los Angeles Times, said the paper still might charge for certain portions of its site.

Caroline Little, publisher of Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive, the online media subsidiary of the Washington Post Company, said a fee is "something we're looking at very carefully," but added, "there haven't really been a lot of successful ventures."

The Wall Street Journal, which is the only national paper to charge for all of its online content, requires a $79 annual fee - $39 a year to those who have a newspaper subscription.

Todd Larsen, president of consumer electronic publishing at Dow Jones & Company, which publishes The Wall Street Journal, said he believed that his paper's approach could be sustainable for a general-interest newspaper like The Times.

"We're happy to see The New York Times acknowledging the importance of subscription-based revenue that we have long seen as a key element," he said.

John Tierney, an Op-Ed columnist in The Times, said he had mixed feelings about the change.

"The capitalist in me applauds any effort to make money from these columns," he said. "The columnist in me would rather not lose any readers."

Clyde Haberman, a columnist for The Metro Section, said that he thought the experiment would work, but "I hope that if it does fail, they don't decide the reason was us."

but... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562122)

but why is this important?

is the NYT important at all anymore?

not trolling, just asking!

What? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562153)

When was it important? When was the media EVER important? It's either misinformation, lies, or both, sensationalized reading for a world who wants "shock". If I hear about I want truth, not a story.

Re:but... (3, Insightful)

joel8x (324102) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562163)

I was thinking the same thing. Let 'em go, its not like we can't find the same articles ad nauseam on the ole internets. The NY Times lost its credibility years ago and there is nothing that separates them from the rest of the pack. So bon voyage on your trip towards internet obscurity.

Insightful????? (1, Flamebait)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562272)

The Nytimes is for people with a brain and not seeking titilation. The columnists there defined the talking points of most politically active people. Sure there's the washington post and the LA times which shines in invesitgative news but not so much in analysis or quantity of elite columninsts.

Of course many people liek USA today, wired and salon for quick adrenline producing flash-in-the pan news story. Get that dopmine perk then forget what you just read cause it contained only information and mabe some extrapolative speculation but no serious analysis. That's the distraction you seek, your brain emits some domapmine as a reward.

One the other hand look to the times to tell you in depth penetrating detail the nuances of polotics and regulation and the things that believe it or not actually affect your standard of living more than next nintendo or future shock piece in wired.

Want to interpret what the heck is going on in the middle east. Who yuo gonna read first: freidman or some pre-pubesent web site or god forbid fox news?

Since this comment exceed three paragraphs I seriously doubt you even read it.

Re:Insightful????? (1)

mabinogi (74033) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562296)

> Since this comment exceed three paragraphs I seriously doubt you even read it.

I tried. But I couldn't figure out what language you were using.

Paragraphs (2, Insightful)

ta bu shi da yu (687699) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562419)

How interesting you say that your comment exceeds three paragraphs. You are aware that a paragraph consists of more than one sentence? The bare minimum for a proper paragraph is three sentences, something I see you have failed to understand. In this case, I think that it's the content and not the style that stops people from reading your comment.

HTH.

Re:but... (1)

hashish (62254) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562318)

A newspaper is only as good as it readership. Their advertising rate depends upon this. How is this going to help? It will not, some of the most financially successful papers in the world are free or have a very low nominal cost.

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Re:I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562373)

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registering NYT (4, Interesting)

Bananatree3 (872975) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562128)

The Times also posted a more detailed explanation (registration required) for their decision.

As expected. Seems the NYT is going more and more subscription oriented. I must really ask...What is the benifit on their side for the public to register to read articles online? Just to be able to sell their emails?

Re:registering NYT (5, Funny)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562151)

What is the benifit on their side for the public to register to read articles online? Just to be able to sell their emails?

What? You actually give them real information??

Re:registering NYT (1)

Bananatree3 (872975) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562200)

Personally, I type in random asdjkenjwjksjknewj. But I am talking about Mr. Joe average user who simply logs onto www.nytimes.com. He may not think twice about submitting his real information to NYtimes.com, thinking that since they are a well respected newspaper that they would not send you promotion stuff.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562321)

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Wed May 18 03:13:02 CEST 2005 [3889]

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562357)

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Wed May 18 03:18:47 CEST 2005 [1297]

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562395)

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Wed May 18 03:23:28 CEST 2005 [8428]

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562421)

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Wed May 18 03:29:06 CEST 2005 [2084]

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562422)

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Wed May 18 03:28:50 CEST 2005 [3041]

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562429)

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Wed May 18 03:28:53 CEST 2005 [5138]

Re:registering NYT (1)

_Sharp'r_ (649297) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562183)

I think it's nice of them to make the explanation for needing to subscribe require registration.

How much sense does that make?

Anyway, anything that reduces their readership is fine by me...

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562224)

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Wed May 18 03:03:42 CEST 2005 [6808]

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562131)

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Wed May 18 02:52:27 CEST 2005 [8110]

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562135)

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Wed May 18 02:53:38 CEST 2005 [3742]

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562140)

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Wed May 18 02:53:57 CEST 2005 [4906]

Wait... (1)

Chickenofbristol55 (884806) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562141)

Isn't it interesting that you need a, (albeit free), subscription to see how they are changing the free subscriptions to paid-ones? Like ok, here we are changing them, then *NYTimes slaps you!* Ouch.

Re:Wait... (1)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562170)

No you don't. The press release went out yesterday. Here's a summary, [dailyvariable.com] also written yesterday.

does anyone (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562142)

Does anyone actually care about the NY Times?
.
.
.
Didn't think so.

Re:does anyone (3, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562176)

The NY Times is extremely relevant to today's world. For example, they give BugMeNot a reason to exist. You don't want to put the hardworking folks at BugMeNot out of business, do you?

Is this the wave of the future? (4, Interesting)

mph_az (880372) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562143)

Does this mean in a short while the only source for free online commentary is going to be blogs?

Re:Is this the wave of the future? (1)

Monkeman (827301) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562168)

And smaller news sources, yes.

I don't mind at all.

Re:Is this the wave of the future? (1, Offtopic)

joel8x (324102) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562214)

Between blogs and indy news sources at least your information will be stripped of the shock sensationalism the major news sources try to rope you in with.

A toy your child may be playing with right now could kill him. We'll tell you about it at 11... /hates mainstream media tactics

Re:Is this the wave of the future? (1)

mph_az (880372) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562264)

Between blogs and indy news sources at least your information will be stripped of the shock sensationalism the major news sources try to rope you in with.

You've obviously never read dailykos or littlegreenfootballs. ;)

Explanation (2, Funny)

sjbe (173966) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562149)

The Times also posted a more detailed explanation (registration required) for their decision.

"We're greedy bastards!"?

heres an Idea (4, Insightful)

Nf1nk (443791) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562159)

Lets take an Ad based media business in meatspace, and try to move it to cyberspace, (I hate that word) but heres the kicker, instead of being and ad based cash flow, lets be subscription based.
Somehow I don't see this working, and I am fairly sure taht the subscribers still get nailed with ads even on the older articles.
On the other hand, full access to their archives is worth a few bucks a year (think 20), but their OP page is worth less than the electrons needed to display it.

Re:heres an Idea (5, Funny)

Knytefall (7348) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562249)

business in meatspace, and try to move it to cyberspace, (I hate that word)

But you like the word "meatspace?"

Re:heres an Idea (2, Funny)

Nf1nk (443791) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562307)

strangely enough I do, meatspace to me describes the world we live in, in a harsh light that reinforces the difficulties associated with getting things to work, when we have all of this delicate, stupid, and self destructive meat running around making meat noises, and more meat.
I guess I coud call it peoplespace, but it doesn't convey the same disdain I have for many of the folks who make my life difficult.

Re:heres an Idea (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562287)

Haven't you ever read the comments on a pop-up blocker, ad-blocker or commercial blocker story around here? Slashdot seems violently opposed to advertisements in any form. Most suggest that they would rather pay for content directly (although personally, I doubt it). Well, here's their chance to prove it.

Re:heres an Idea (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562308)

The funny thing is that supposedly my local newspaper says that the cover price doesn't pay for the cost of the paper & printing. The ads pay for the rest of the operations.

Re:heres an Idea (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562328)

The meatspace version costs $$, in addition to being supported by ads, correct? I don't see how the subscription thing is anything new. (granted, newsprint is definitely part of the cost of a paper, but I'd bet it's still not 100% of what the end-user pays)

Re:heres an Idea (1)

Nf1nk (443791) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562377)

we have little local fishwrap here that comes out once a week, that get this... is free, it has several pages of news, some reviews, some comics, and some great off the deep end opinion pages (well worth the cost of admission).
It's not delivered (if you don't count the stack in front of Taco Bell), but it suits my newspaper needs fairly well.
The point here was that there are business models taht work with newspapers thatdo not include subsciption
And look its online too http://www.newtimes-slo.com/ [newtimes-slo.com]

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Wed May 18 02:56:12 CEST 2005 [8093]

So that means (4, Informative)

British (51765) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562164)

...Slashdot will finally stop linking to NY Times articles? Regardless of bugmenot.com, the whole registration thing just didn't go over well. There's plenty of other news sources besides NYTimes. Plenty!

So does this mean... (2, Interesting)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562166)

...that slashdot will stop linking to them?

Not trying to troll, but what's the point of linking to a story when most of your readership can't/won't subscribe to read it?

Re:So does this mean... (1)

Txiasaeia (581598) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562280)

I just typed in random user/email passwords until I hit one that worked. Like penny/penny, slashdot/slashdot, or whatnot. Works pretty well.

Re:So does this mean... (2, Insightful)

DarkFencer (260473) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562428)

Remember, this is just the Op-Ed section. The vast majority of stories that slashdot links to at the Times are NOT Op-Ed.

Granted, this may be a trial run to see how this may work for the entire paper's content. We will have to wait and see for that.

Good luck to them (3, Funny)

DanielMarkham (765899) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562167)

Let's see, increasing prices in a dying industry. That makes a lot of sense, right?

Re:Good luck to them (2, Funny)

swansmt (884791) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562278)

The times they are a-changin'

I'm shocked but not surprised. (1, Insightful)

game kid (805301) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562175)

I personally liked the op-eds. Oh well, at least they'll still have their articles. I guess I'll just read blogs. There's enough opinion posted on blogs to fill volumes of their Times.

(to posters: Do you consider the Slashdot news pages blogs?)

The only one I'll really miss... (0, Offtopic)

quokkapox (847798) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562179)

...is Maureen Dowd. Much hotter than Bill Safire, anyway :P

Besides, there are plenty of good independent op-ed news sources out there that will remain free.
Roland Piquepaille, for instance.

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Wed May 18 02:58:45 CEST 2005 [1649]

Who reads it anyway? (1)

lecithin (745575) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562185)

Just curious. Does anybody here actually read it?

Re:Who reads it anyway? (1)

swansmt (884791) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562236)

I pick it up at Starbucks every once in a while cuz the quality of writing is much better than my city's paper.

Re:Who reads it anyway? (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562238)

I do. I got hooked seven-years-ago when I shared cube with a fellow news junkie whose web page always came up with the NY Times. Since then I also read the websites of my local paper, the San Jose Mercury News, and the Los Angeles Times, to get different perspectives on world events.

Re:Who reads it anyway? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562383)

...my local paper, the San Jose Mercury News, and the Los Angeles Times, to get different perspectives on world events....

Um. What? For different perspectives on world issues you reference 4 US-based papers?

Reminds me of Blues Brothers:
Elwood: "What kind of music do you usually have here?"
Claire: "Oh, we got both kinds. We got country *and* western."

Seriously, don't you think you are living with blinders on? Contrasting and drastically different views are what make the Internet great. It doesn't take any effort to shop around for news.

Re:Who reads it anyway? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562413)

haha, world events from reading american news papers. good luck!!

If you want a different perspective, why dont you actually read a paper from another country that isnt so censored.

Re:Who reads it anyway? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562248)

On Alexa NYTimes.com comes in at 107.

Slashdot comes in at 1,515.

Yup, no one reads the NYTimes anymore.

Re:Who reads it anyway? (1)

uncadonna (85026) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562259)

me. I click nytimes.com and slashdot.org in that order about four times a day. for whatever that's worth. I think I'll pay, even though it's only the op-ed page that's going away for nonsubscribers. Maureen Dowd alone is worth a dollar a week. mt

Maureen Dowd (2, Funny)

YetAnotherAnonymousC (594097) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562331)

Is she really worth a dollar a week? Because I get *my* snide female urban sophisticate dosage for *free* via wonkette (even though it's not always Ana Marie Cox). Besides, Dowd jumped the shark in approx 1999 IMHO.

Absolutely. (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562337)

The first time I read her op-eds online, I was drawn by her redhead thumbnail picture on the page. I kept expecting her to look, well...hotter. You know, hotter* [llrocks.com] .

Then I noticed her opinions and read often.

*Yes I have noticed her new blonde skinny look. I too am somewhat disappointed.

Re:Who reads it anyway? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562374)

Maureen Dowd alone is worth a dollar a week.

agreed. she's sorta like ann coulter but without the delusions of reality. only problem is she's on vacation right now.

Re:Who reads it anyway? (1)

richieb (3277) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562398)

I read it too. I like Paul Krugman and Thomas Friedman. I like the book review too.

Since I subscribe to the paper Sunday NYT I wonder if I can continue reading it, without paying more.

The bad thing about NYT is that it is not visible to Google, which will make it irrelevant in the long run.

Re:Who reads it anyway? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562451)

You'd base the value of the paper on Maureen Dowd's editorials??? Of the editorials I've seen, hers have genenerally been the _least_ insightful. Her columns seem to be more rant than commentary, followed by a kneejerk "And hey! George Bush is an idiot!" regardless of what she was talking about for the previous five paragraphs. I'm not exactly fond of his policies, but if I'm reading the paper, I'd like to find a logical discussion with constructive criticism. I don't know when the last time was that I've seen an editorial where she's suggested what to do next, rather than what just went wrong in hindsight.

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Wed May 18 02:58:39 CEST 2005 [5875]

Pay for an opinion? (1)

Marko DeBeeste (761376) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562191)

Hell just go to your bartender or shrink. Or mom, and get it for free. I'll give you mine at a deep discount.

Re:Pay for an opinion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562433)

Hell just go to your bartender or shrink. Or mom, and get it for free.

I hear your mom's been giving away a lot of things for free to anyone who asks!

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Wed May 18 02:56:57 CEST 2005 [1179]

But does liberalism sell? (1, Flamebait)

NaCh0 (6124) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562194)

I guess we'll find out from this experiment.

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Wed May 18 03:01:19 CEST 2005 [2327]

Well, as I understand it ... (1)

Herschel Cohen (568) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562210)

they played with the idea of paying the readers to read *selected* editorial writers. However, they opted for the subscription model thinking it would be the easier sell.

Breaking news: No interest in paying for news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562230)

Sorry NYT, too many varied sources with free news. No one gives a shit about paying for news.

I thought opinions had a market rate of $.02 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562275)

that's a lot of inflation there, boy howdy

Closing loopholes? (1)

hunterx11 (778171) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562277)

They also seem to have stopped allowing you to read articles without registration if you set your user agent to googlebot.

In other news ... (2, Interesting)

lheal (86013) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562285)

  • Native Americans have announced plans to charge a subscription fee for their smoke signal based network
  • NBC, CBS, and ABC announced plans to begin covering news items on their respective reality TV series, since that's all people will watch
  • Amtrak announced that it still uses trains
  • SCO ("the owner of UNIX") announced plans to sell white-box computers with SCO Openserver and UNIXWare. (Really.) [yahoo.com]

the dumbest move ever? (4, Insightful)

Schlemphfer (556732) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562295)

What's the only thing that's easier to find on the Internet than free news? No, not porn, OK well maybe. But what I had in mind is people's opinions, posted on the web for all the world to see.

You can go anywhere on the web to find opinions on most any issue, nearly all of them freely accessible. Instapundit on the right, Daily Kos on the left, and million smaller sites in between.

In a web that's overflowing with opinions and analysis, much of it well-written, the NY Times thinks people will pay $50 a year to read theirs? What are they smoking?

Here is what will happen after the Times initiates its plan. Some corporate customers who already pull archived articles off will sign up for this $50 program and find they also have access to the Op-Ed page. Whoopdedoo!

But my bet is like four people in the US will pay the $50 a month for the sake of accessing the Times' Op-Ed section. If you can't sell the news online, you definitely can't sell opinions. And keep in mind that a huge portion of the Times' readership now comes from web surfers. What this means is that the Times has just voluntarily traded away much of its enormous political influence for maybe $200 a year. Amazing.

NYT, meet Mr. Future. Hey, stop running! (4, Interesting)

localroger (258128) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562300)

The NYT has just cut itself off from the biggest source of international exposure it has. All over the blogosphere, people are saying they won't link NYT columnists any more because they won't expect their readers to subscribe.

The blogosphere is the next great playground in the marketplace of ideas; it's the closest thing to our forgotten history of town-hall meetings and individual participation that most of us have ever experienced. It's participatory mass media, a totally new thing that is remaking the political landscape -- not least by revealing whole new ways for major political organizations to form themselves and raise funds.

And the NYT has just opted out of the whole thing. That shiny new FUTURE thing? That's scary. We don't know how to make money off of it. So we'll give all that business to our competitors like the LA Times (which tried a similar stupid scheme and quickly recanted).

While registration does bug people many of us will deal with it (if only by using bugmenot) in order to discuss the ideas behind the firewall. Salon seems to be doing OK with ad-based day passes. But fifty bucks a year for the content of one paper based fifteen hundred miles away from where I live? What if all the other newspapers of interest started charging a similar amount? No thanks, guys. As Atrios said, we have too much to sort through as it is. We can get along without the NYT's columnists.

But how will the NYT get along without the buzz of bloggers discussing their content? I guess the answer is "like a local paper." If that's what they want to be, I guess someone else will step up to be the Newspaper of Record.

Re:NYT, meet Mr. Future. Hey, stop running! (1, Insightful)

Stalyn (662) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562367)

The blogosphere is the biggest fraud in the world. Oh no the blogosphere will not link NYT articles because of their registration. I guess the NYT will go down in flames right? Pffft.... first of bloggers don't read real journalism because they are so full of themselves they only read each other blogs. It's sort of like the blind following the blind.

Believe me the NYT will still be around even after blogs have come and gone.

Email Response from NY Times (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562313)

I emailed the new York Times in response to this decision of theirs. Here is their reply:

Thank you for contacting New York Times On The Web.

We appreciate your feedback.

We remain committed to providing the majority of the content from The New York Times on the Web to our readers at no cost,
including our Editorials, Letters to the Editor and core news coverage.

However, it is becoming increasingly important to develop additional, sustainable revenue models to support our online business operations.

The details surrounding TimesSelect will be finalized over the next few months.
However, we will share your comments with our colleagues.

Regards,

Jason Fairchild,
The New York Times on the Web
Customer Service
www.nytimes.com/help

But (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562325)

But what will happened to slashdot!? It won't have a source to point to every news article!

No need to pay... (3, Interesting)

Pollux (102520) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562329)

...when you have people ready to post the content on Slashdot!

"Hey guys...no need to log in! Here's the article text!"

NYTimes.com to Offer Subscription Service

By TIMOTHY WILLIAMS
Published: May 17, 2005

The New York Times announced yesterday that it would offer a new subscription-based service on its Web site...


Actually, the point of this post was only to joke about posters who regularly save many Slashdot users the hassle of creating a login for the NYT Online. And up until now, I suppose there's been no problem with it, since the material is available for free (sans the time it takes to create a login account).

But I worry a bit about this move after thinking about some dubious virtues often shown in posts by slashdotters. Stealing article text seems to be a favorite pastime for at least a few posters, but when content is copyrighted AND no longer free, what happens when someone posts it (for a joke / for mod point / for ) on Slashdot, will NYT actually respond with any of those lovely cease and decist letters?

The flag of the slashdot editors (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562336)



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now you can pay... (1)

stoolmaster (688834) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562378)

...for their propaganda and inaccurate scientific claims. No wonder the number of subscriptions to this op-ed rag are dropping at a high rate.

Conspicuous lack of change in paradigm (1)

NetSettler (460623) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562384)

Seems like quite a gamble. They're spending real money on digging up and writing real stories, and then giving that away. Now they're going to hope what is their real value, the thing we'll pay for, is not all that news they made but rather "opinions" (when the Big Bang of the Blogoverse is only microseconds ago and the entire Universe is composed, to round numbers, exclusively of blogs--not exactly the world's most scarce commodity) and "old news" (again, to round numbers, "everything else left on the net"--Google and its ilk are quite well able to access old news). Well, let's just say, it wouldn't have been my first guess about a strategy. I might even sign up, mind you. But it still seems ... uninspired.

What's really sad to me about this is that it's just "more of same". With the world kneedeep in computers, RSS feeds popping up all over, e-business continuing to claim it's going to spring out all over the place, etc. you'd think their big plan for something to charge for could be, I dunno, ... active. Or even... interactive. Something that does something, not just something that, well, sits there.

But that's just my opinion--one of many out here in the unpaid area... nothing of consequence.

Hmm, thinking on it, that's probably the biggest thing they'll lose. By hiding behind a wall, they may kid themselves into thinking that the real value is happening inside. In that regard, I'd almost feel better if they were pay-only all the way through, not just paying for their own opinions. Because if those opinions drive the paper, they're walling themselves off from good ideas that might otherwise keep them going...

Wow! (3, Funny)

ta bu shi da yu (687699) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562388)

In order to explain to potential customers why they should register and pay for their content, they have placed the article as a registration required article.

Way to go NYT!

Full text of article (thank you BugMeNot) (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562390)

May 17, 2005
NYTimes.com to Offer Subscription Service
By TIMOTHY WILLIAMS

The New York Times announced yesterday that it would offer a new subscription-based service on its Web site, charging users an annual fee to read its Op-Ed and news columnists, as the newspaper seeks ways to capitalize on the site's popularity.

Most material on the Web site, NYTimes.com, will remain free to users, The Times said, but columnists from The Times and The International Herald Tribune will be available only to users who sign up for TimesSelect, which will cost $49.95 a year. The service will also include access to The Times's online archives, as well as other features.

The service, which is scheduled to start in September, will be provided free to home-delivery subscribers of the newspaper.

A decision by The Times about charging users for portions of its Web site had been expected for months in the media industry. While some efforts by other newspapers to charge for content online have worked, others have been withdrawn, including most recently one by The Los Angeles Times, which decided last week to stop charging users a fee for its online entertainment listings, reviews and criticism.

Though advertising on Web sites accounts for only 2 to 3 percent of the revenues of most newspapers, it is the fastest-growing source of revenue. Still, many newspaper Web sites fear that charging money for Internet content may send readers to free sites, with advertisers following close behind.

The New York Times's decision to charge a fee came after about a year of study, said Arthur Sulzberger Jr., chairman of the Times Company and publisher of the newspaper.

Mr. Sulzberger said that while some Internet users accustomed to free content might not be willing to pay, many others would be attracted by the online package of columnists, archives and other material.

"The advertising growth on the Web has been just spectacular the last few years," he said. "But like any business, it's going to mature over time, and when that happens, it will flatten and then you'll get into the normal cycles just like we do it on print. And at that point you're really going to need to have another revenue model."

He added, "This is going to help sustain the quality of the information that we make available."

Alexia S. Quadrani, a senior managing director at Bear, Stearns who follows the publishing and advertising industries, said The Times's plan made sense as a business model.

"All newspapers are looking for new advertising revenue and The New York Times realizes they have high-quality content and are looking at other ways to capitalize on it," she said. "The key is to that you want to maximize the dollars you get on the Internet without alienating the people."

In April, The Times's Web site had 1.7 million unique daily visitors. Its daily newspaper circulation in March 2005, the most recent month available, was 1,136,433.

The Times already charges for some content, including its crossword puzzle, news alerts and online archive. Articles are free for seven days after publication; a fee is charged once they are archived.

TimesSelect will also provide subscribers access to TimesPast, the paper's archives; exclusive multimedia, including audio and photo essays and video; TimesFile, a tool that will help users organize articles; and Ahead of The Times, which will allow subscribers to take an early look at articles that will appear in The New York Times Magazine, and the newspaper's Travel, Sunday Arts and Real Estate sections.

Martha Goldstein, a spokeswoman for The Los Angeles Times, said the paper still might charge for certain portions of its site.

Caroline Little, publisher of Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive, the online media subsidiary of the Washington Post Company, said a fee is "something we're looking at very carefully," but added, "there haven't really been a lot of successful ventures."

The Wall Street Journal, which is the only national paper to charge for all of its online content, requires a $79 annual fee - $39 a year to those who have a newspaper subscription.

Todd Larsen, president of consumer electronic publishing at Dow Jones & Company, which publishes The Wall Street Journal, said he believed that his paper's approach could be sustainable for a general-interest newspaper like The Times.

"We're happy to see The New York Times acknowledging the importance of subscription-based revenue that we have long seen as a key element," he said.

John Tierney, an Op-Ed columnist in The Times, said he had mixed feelings about the change.

"The capitalist in me applauds any effort to make money from these columns," he said. "The columnist in me would rather not lose any readers."

Clyde Haberman, a columnist for The Metro Section, said that he thought the experiment would work, but "I hope that if it does fail, they don't decide the reason was us."

Paying for lies? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562394)

Paying for lies makes no sense. You can go to moveon.org and attain the same lies for free! Everything is going subscription based nowadays. Why subscribe to news that's slanted and biased?

$0.00. That's what I plan to spend on NYT over the next few decades...

If it's important enough.... (1)

3seas (184403) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562397)

.... you'll have access to it...for free

Could they be a little more arrogant. (4, Interesting)

superdude72 (322167) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562402)

There is more political commentary on the Web than anyone has time to read. It is the height of arrogance for them to think their editorial page is so important that they can do what no one else can afford to. I read the NYT op-ed every day, but I'm certainly not going to pay for the privilege of reading Thomas L. Friedman phone it in.

Their news reporting is another matter. There aren't many organizations in the world with the resources to rival the NYT's reporting. But this is what they plan to give away! Stupid stupid stupid.

They should do what Salon is doing: Offer a day pass to anyone willing to watch a 30-second ad. Sell an ad-free, year subscription for, I guess, $50. In addition, continue to charge a premium for access to the archives (which Salon doesn't do, but Salon's archives aren't quite as valuable as those of the NY Times...)

But of course they can't go with someone else's proven business model, because they're the NY Times and they're smarter than everybody else! Bunch of wankers. Can't wait to see them crash and burn, then hopefully learn from experience. God knows they've got enough cash sitting around for a failed experiment or two.

Hello Wikipedia's Wikinews (3, Informative)

danpat (119101) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562410)

http://www.wikinews.org/ [wikinews.org]

Sits somewhere between NYT and the blogosphere...

Apparently because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562415)

...so many slashdotters and bloggers insist on linking to stories there even though there are usually twelve free, no-login sources for them at any given moment.

Slouching to oblivion (2, Interesting)

amightywind (691887) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562445)

NY Times Op-Ed Page Goes Subscriber-Only

Great. It will be that much easier to ignore. The paper has gone downhill in the past 10 years enormously. Ever since William Safire left there has been little reason to read the OpEd at all. It is mostly become a collection of liberal left twaddle.

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