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Playing with Sony's Linux-Based Networked Media Player

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the practical-application dept.

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ZorinLynx writes "A while back, Sony released the NSP-1, a 'Network Storage Player.' It is intended to be a source of video for signage, such as plasma displays in banks, airports, and so on. I got a chance to play with one today. It's Red Hat Linux-based, which seems unusual for Sony! Though pricey at $1995, it's an interesting use of Linux, and could probably be hacked into a nice set-top video jukebox. It has a nice small form factor, as well as ethernet, USB, and video output in various formats, and a PCMCIA slot for removable media."

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Overall, a fun hack. (5, Funny)

fembots (753724) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562587)

So where's the "review" on this NSP?

The article is more about trying to log into Red Hat without a password ( BTW is it really that easy?).

Here's my submission

"Playing with Toyota's Civic"

This morning when I was about to go to work, I realized I have locked the car key inside my 1989 Civic, everything was locked and I can't remember where I put the spare key.

Arrgh. After some fiddling with the keyhole, though, I found that I have left the driver side window slightly opened! The gap's big enough to slide a coat hanger in! So I grabbed my trusty coat hanger, made a hook and the opened the door.

The car has a steering wheel, AM/FM radio, few buttons, pedals and seats. I also have a Knoppix CD and some Open Source documents in the glove box. Now I really don't want to sell it especially I can only fetch less than $200! ARRGH!

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Re:Overall, a fun hack. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562656)

Doesn't Honda make the Civic?

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (1)

Armadni General (869957) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562839)

Doesn't Dell make the Macintosh?

(That's a great modding on the parent comment there)

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (5, Funny)

michrech (468134) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563269)

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Re:Overall, a fun hack. (2, Insightful)

fireboy1919 (257783) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562688)

I'm with you on this being a useless review.

$2000 AND I have to hack it to do something useful?

Does it give me super powers or something? Because I can think of roughly a kabillion devices that I don't have to hack in order to actually use them that cost WAY less. And I can MythTV those if I really want a media player that badly.

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (5, Interesting)

ZorinLynx (31751) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562707)

Heh. I actually wish I had gotten more time to play with it, but it had to go back where it came from as soon as I "fixed" it.

I was just surprised to find out this thing even existed, and that Sony was using Linux in one of its products. Sony has always come off to me as a company that does everything their own proprietary way, and gives the finger to most open standards. (Memory stick, anyone?)

-Z

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (2, Informative)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562876)

No kidding: Memory Stick, ATRAC3, UMD, MiniDisc, Betamax... did I forget any?

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12563309)

Minidisc and Atrac have existed for 13 years. Who's giving the finger to who? I had recordable digital media with audio compression while people were still playing on their 286s in 1992.

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562954)

Sony has used Linux for years - all of their PS2 and PSP devkits are Red Hat based, and they of course released a modified Red Hat for the PS2 as a hobbyist kit. There are rumors that the PS3's actual shipping OS will be Linux as well.

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (3, Informative)

rogueuk (245470) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562970)

Sony using Linux!?, that's completely unheard of [playstation2-linux.com] .

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (2, Insightful)

esconsult1 (203878) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563045)

Yup. I wish you had gotten some time to play with it too. That way you could have posted a reasonable review instead of a disappointing paragraph or so.

Next time at least take some pictures.

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (2, Informative)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563140)

Sony isn't 3 guys in a room. Different divisions of the company solve problems in different ways.

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (1)

Albinofrenchy (844079) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563442)

Nonsense, with logic like this we soon may have to stop generalizing products from certain companies as being inherently evil/good.

Beavis, Butthead and Stuart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12563893)

"Sony isn't 3 guys in a room. Different divisions of the company solve problems in different ways."

Nonsense, with logic like this we soon may have to stop generalizing products from certain companies as being inherently evil/good.


Nah. We'd just have to wait until the right three guys are in a room. [slashdot.org]

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12563180)

When the PlayStation2 first came out, Sony had a Linux development available for it within a few months. The equipment consisted of a hard drive, ethernet board, and a software development kit, IIRC.

The game that sold the PlayStation2 was Gran Turismo 3. I don't know about GT3, but I've put the GT4 DVD into a Linux box and looked around at the content -- it has "linux" scattered all through-out the files: in pathnames embedded in the executables, buried in binary configuration files, and so on.

(It's actually kind of disappointing, given some of the long-ish delays waiting for GT3 or GT4 to load the next chunk of overlay code into the machine... But I guess there's a memory constraint and you can only do so much with it at one time.)

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (2, Informative)

IBeatUpNerds (827376) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563209)

I was just surprised to find out this thing even existed, and that Sony was using Linux in one of its products.

Is it really that shocking? Lots of consumer devices are using Linux. Sharp produces something similar to this one which they dub a "Digital Media Adapter." It also runs Linux. IMO, the Sharp toy is cooler anyway. You feed it media over WiFi, and the DMA shoots it to your TV.

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563364)

Heh. I actually wish I had gotten more time to play with it

what games did it come with, though?

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (0)

The-Perl-CD-Bookshel (631252) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563917)

Sony uses Symbian OS (linux variant) in the P800 and P900 smartphones.

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (1)

ives (23634) | more than 9 years ago | (#12564112)

Five years ago when I still worked for Sony we made a data server called MediaCaster http://tinyurl.com/7ud7f [tinyurl.com] that injects metadata into digital tv broadcasts (think EPG, broadcasted Applets, etc.). That server was completely based on open standards and it ran from a Debian based live cd which we created. The product is still being sold to digital TV studios today.

So yes, Sony does use Linux and open standards in its products.

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (1)

jsight (8987) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562736)


The article is more about trying to log into Red Hat without a password ( BTW is it really that easy?).


Yes, he took advantage of the fact that a person with physical access has essentially unlimited power over the system.

Short of filesystem encryption of the root FS, there's really no way to avoid this, and all Linux distributions (or any other OS for that matter) are vulnerable to this attack.

That's why physical security is so important.

Overall, a fun hack-Linux sees green. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12563827)

"Short of filesystem encryption of the root FS, there's really no way to avoid this, and all Linux distributions (or any other OS for that matter) are vulnerable to this attack."

A green felt tip marker will get around this.

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (5, Informative)

William Robinson (875390) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562831)

The article is more about trying to log into Red Hat without a password ( BTW is it really that easy?).

Yes.

All you need to do is ...
1. Boot from external device like CD. (If you are using installation CDs, use linux rescue option.)
2. Mount the appropriate HDD partition.
3. chroot it.
4. now use setpass to change the password.

I prefer to set password for setup, which prevents intruders to change booting options. If the intruder can not boot from an external device then it is almmost impossible for him/her to log in.

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (3, Informative)

erlenic (95003) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562977)

Solution to BIOS password:

1) Carry in my own laptop.
2) Shutdown target machine.
3) Remove hard drive.
4) Place in USB drive enclosure.
5) Mount from laptop and change password.
6) Replace the drive in the target computer.

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563320)

And your solution to a password locked drive?

AH HAH I got you mr hackoo

Cant log on to my router that way.

Easy. (2, Informative)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563860)

And your solution to a password locked drive?

Just type in the password at the prompt.

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (1)

spacecowboy420 (450426) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563500)

I am missing something - I guess you can get access to a target machine's data by using this method, but can't imagine how this will help with a bios password ~shrugs~ unless you aren't interested in changing the password, and only the data - but you mention changing the password in step 5. Which password would that be?

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562996)

I prefer to set password for setup, which prevents intruders to change booting options. If the intruder can not boot from an external device then it is almmost impossible for him/her to log in.

If he has physical access then he can probably remove the cover and short the CMOS reset jumper.

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (4, Interesting)

Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563026)

>I prefer to set password for setup, which prevents intruders to change booting options.

That does raise the bar, but every motherboard I've looked at had some way to bypass the BIOS password, and in extreme cases someone with unsupervised physical access could pull out the hard disk and copy it. Not to mention that an attacker could read and write arbitrary memory if the machine has a Firewire port (http://pacsec.jp/advisories.html [pacsec.jp] ).

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (1)

golgotha007 (62687) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563939)

Why make it so hard on yourself?

To change root's password in Linux, simply boot up in single user mode and type passwd at the prompt.

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (1)

Errtu76 (776778) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563951)

HA!

I just jank out the entire bios chip and carry it with me. Let them try to break into it now!

Ofcourse, soldering it back in every time is a small inconvenience ...

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (4, Funny)

chaotixx (563211) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562995)

Your car is worth way more than $200 dude. Civics made by Toyota are really rare and I bet collectors will pay big bucks for them. If you have an '89 I think it might be one of a kind!

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12563063)

Tickets to a beating - $1
Reply to: joshkaston@gmail.com
Date: 2005-05-17, 4:42PM EDT

My son decided not to come home last night. Big mistake. Now I'm going to have to beat his ass. This ass beating is a long time in the making. It is not simply a result of his most recent absence but rather a string of events including but not limited to: Not taking out the trash, talking back to his mother, getting Cs in school, getting a speeding ticket, smoking cigarettes, and chronic masturbation. I'm sure most of you'll agree that this kid needs to get his shit rocked and I can promise that it will be worthy of an audience.

The plan: I expect him to come home around 8pm, so it would be best if you could get a ride here or walk because I wouldn't want him to get suspicious of all the cars in the driveway. I can probably fit about 15-20 people in my living room, which is most likely where the beating will occur. These seats will be equivalent to front row or behind first base, and will be the most expensive. My kitchen can host another 10 or so people and I'll have a standing area in the dining room and doorway of my bedroom. I would suggest getting here at around 6-7pm, as I will be spending these hours getting piss-faced drunk. I think I speak for everyone when I say it's only right for the father to be shit-hammered while wailing on his son. You are encouraged to drink with me, though I will be overcharging for beer, just like any other sports event.

My arsenal contains one leather belt, two phone books, my high school ring, a pillowcase filled with beer cans (empty of course, I'm not a monster), a pair of steel toe boots, and my elbows and knees.

I figure the ass beating will last between 5-10 minutes with a halftime for folks to pee and for my son to think about what he's done. For an additional twenty dollars I will let you kick him while he's down or sucker punch him while his back is turned. But I will not hold him down because that is just plain wrong. Also you may want to bring your own kids to show them what might transpire if they misbehave.

Living room - $40
Kitchen - $20
Standing Room - $10
Children under 12 - $5

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (1)

jonnykelly (663111) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563153)

I'll trade you my Honda Corolla for your Toyota Civic.

Re:Overall, a fun hack. (1)

tobiasly (524456) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563473)

The article is more about trying to log into Red Hat without a password ( BTW is it really that easy?).

Yes, it is. If someone has physical access to your machine, it's not your machine. Doesn't matter whether it's running Linux, Windows, whatever.

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firewall? (1, Interesting)

Bananatree3 (872975) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562604)

It has a nice small form factor, as well as ethernet, USB, and video output in various formats, and a PCMCIA slot for removable media." Sounds like it would be an excellent, albeit pricy makeshift firewall!

Re:firewall? (1)

William Robinson (875390) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562940)

(Flaimbait -1)

Sounds like it would be an excellent, albeit pricy makeshift firewall!

Hmm.. if you are suggesting to use this product as a free add-on to your home network, that sounds interesting.

Otherwise why would you like to go for that kind of expensive device and turn it into firewall when you could make firewall using some junk PCs at far less price.

Re:firewall? (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563337)

Seriously. I have an old Celeron 600 with 256 megs RAM running my firewall/squid proxy/privoxy/traffic shaper/vpn endpoint/samba pdc (just to let windows boxes auth, no fancy roaming profile bullshit) box just fine.

Hell, it's even overkill, but I don't have any AT power supplies left to wire up anything slower.

Re:firewall? (1)

Junichiro Koizumi (803690) | more than 9 years ago | (#12564068)

Hey, shithead, the word is "flamebait". FLAMEbait. As in fire.

Re:firewall? (1)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 9 years ago | (#12564100)

Yeah! Also you should check out the iPod -- given its form factor, it makes an excellent, albeit pricy makeshift paperweight!

$1995?? (4, Interesting)

XanC (644172) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562610)

For cryin' out loud! Mod an Xbox, people!

Re:$1995?? (3, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563054)

Did you bother to read the specs for the thing on Sony's site?

Ignoring the fact that most businesses would MUCH rather pay for a legal, supported device than a legally quesitonable hack without a warantee, this is not some simple slide show machine.

The page says that it can show up to five layers of content, dynamically changed if you want, with a soundtrack. It can show video, images, and even Macromedia Flash files.

Looking at the specs, it looks like if you could just get live video INTO the thing, you could do all the effects for your local nightly news with it and then some. This box is much more than you (or any hobbiest) could make out of a modded XBox.

How very American... (3, Interesting)

m4c north (816240) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563161)

Just when I was about to ask how Sony could charge nearly 2 grand for a device that uses an open-source OS, you had to go and pre-emptively answer my question. That's some hard-core video processing going on, tho I don't suppose it's all hardware... Mayhaps Sony has written a (closed) app for the video/audio mixing?

Re:$1995?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12563330)

It might even have a dictionary! Then I'd hack it to zap your testicles everytime you type "hobbiest"! So how does that word work? Hobby, hobbier, hobbiest! He's the hobbiest of the hobbyists! Dude, seriously, it's like an ice-pick in the eyes. Learn to spell, please.

Re:$1995?? (1)

saladami (827277) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563736)

All i see on that specs page is that this thing has a pathetic 40 gig hard drive, displays bmp files and plays mp3s, as well as mpeg-2 video, which would cost $200 tops to do with an xbox even buying the 40 gig hard drive separately.

Re:$1995?? (1)

vegaspctech (769513) | more than 9 years ago | (#12564092)

...which would cost $200 tops to do with an xbox even buying the 40 gig hard drive separately.

Got the Xbox out. Looking at it. Flipping through the manual. Where are the audio and video inputs? You were saying...???

Linux... (3, Funny)

Devil's BSD (562630) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562613)

Because it runs Linux, it must be worth the $2000. Welcome to /.!

Re:Linux... (1)

PsychicX (866028) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562669)

Seriously. $2000? I built an Athlon64 computer with a GeForce 6, 200GB SATA hard drive, WinXP, gigabit ethernet, Wifi-g, sound card, and speakers for less than that, and I can guarantee you, it plays all sorts of media.

Re:Linux... (3, Insightful)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562803)

I doubt it is marketed towards you or any hard core Linux user. I don't think it is only about hardware. Actually, the hardware is kind of irrelevant, though it needs some to do its job. From the description, it looks to be already set up for easy web-based remote administration. Then there's the support.

A Linux geek could set up remote administration and remote scripting, but if this thing is set up like I think it is, said geek probably wouldn't get it done under that cost and still have it be easy for a non-Linux person to use.

The weblog entry does look like they didn't get a manual or didn't bother to read it.

Re:Linux... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12563123)

But does it run Linux?

(Also, why would you need wifi in a desktop with gigabit ethernet?)

Re:Linux... (1)

PsychicX (866028) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563146)

Unfortunately, I have a 64 bit Gentoo Linux install on there that I use every so often. Yes, I said "unfortunately".

Re:Linux... (1)

Xzzy (111297) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562710)

> Because it runs Linux, it must be worth the $2000. Welcome to /.!

Right, because as we all know Windows doesn't edge in until the price tag exceeds $3000. ;)

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I'll just wait for the $2005 XP version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562630)

since the 1995$ version should have a lot of security holes.

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Wed May 18 03:56:29 CEST 2005 [5493]

Sony and Linux (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562667)

Sony Playstation runs Linux. So this isn't something extemely new for Sony.

$1995 is a little expensive.

Re:Sony and Linux (1)

eggsome (660932) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563343)

Also, before the PS2 hardware was a reality they used software emulators running on Linux.

$1995 (1)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 9 years ago | (#12564110)

$1995 is a little expensive.

Yes. And Steve Ballmer is a little bald.

How far has Sony Fallen? (1)

mpapet (761907) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562698)

I'm disappointed to even hear of a device like this coming from Sony.

I could source a standalone box from Taiwan and put redhat on it too.

It's a clever application of commodity parts, which I expect from smaller companies with less history of innnovation.

Where did I leave that old walkman????

Not the first Sony-Redhat collaboration (4, Interesting)

mo (2873) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562744)

FYI, the t10000 (Playstation 2 Development Tool) runs a version of redhat. Something ancient like RH4.2 if I'm not mistaken. You don't ssh into it or anything though, but it's web admin allows you to upload rpms to upgrade various subsystems on it.

Re:Not the first Sony-Redhat collaboration (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562797)

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Re:Not the first Sony-Redhat collaboration (1)

swansmt (884791) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563174)

any sony device that runs linux probably runs red hat

Re:Not the first Sony-Redhat collaboration (2, Informative)

xbmodder (805757) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563833)

Yes, My friend worked on it. They are redhat 7.2.

not suprising... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562748)

Sony has used Red Hat Linux before. I work in the broadcast industry and I find it interesting that they use linux in a lot of their products. (both Red Hat and Debian) The thing that surprises me though is the price...

not suprising...OSS Dog Paddle. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12563843)

"The thing that surprises me though is the price..."

Well, considering how you all go on so much about how OSS isn't sending the software industry down the river without a paddle, and our jobs with it. The price shouldn't be a surprise at all.

When I saw the headline... (5, Funny)

slapout (93640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562767)

..."Playing with Sony's Linux-Based Networked Media Player"...

my first thought was, "Someone's already ported Linux to the Playstation 3!" :-)

Re:When I saw the headline... (2, Insightful)

adam31 (817930) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563469)

Yeah... Sony has.

Sony loves linux. Why? Because Microsoft hates linux, and Sony loves to support anything that Microsoft hates.

Even before the XBox. When PS2 dev tools were released it was all Linux-based. If you wanted to develop for the PS2 on Windows, you had to either go with 3rd party tools or according to Sony "If you're a big dumb idiot, then you can use Cygwin. But you shouldn't." Then, just for kicks, they released PS2 Linux.

Unfortunately, Sony's linux dev tools weren't up to snuff, but I doubt they'll make the same mistake with the PS3. Remember that IBM has a hand in this now, and a vested interest in making this Cell fly with more than just game developers.

Cell is a good place for Linux. Don't get me wrong, they're definitely going to milk the Us vs Them theme against Microsoft for all the money it's worth.

That's just business.

This is /. Front page material? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12562775)

Wow, This is more of a page from someones personal diary.

'Dear Diary, I saw NSP-1 today in the halls today. I'm so in love.' XXOOXX

So why not replace the Headline with...

"Sony's NSP-1 Device runs Redhat Linux"
Would be so much simpler and straight to the point. It isnt even for normal use, its to run large plasma screen billboards. (Think Statium's big screen, only higher quaility). I could see something like this to say, run a home entertainment system.. but this? Eh, intersting one liner at best.

How did /this/ get on the front page anyways..

No kidding... (2, Informative)

nighthawk127127 (848761) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563065)

Did anyone else notice that this guy submitted something that he had written from *his own personal blog* to Slashdot, only a few hours ago? It's only a freakin' paragraph long, for crying out loud! Not only that, but the same guy makes 5th post AND gets a +4 "Interesting" mod. Someone's a mod point whore...

Re:No kidding... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12563164)

quit your crying.

Re:This is /. Front page material? (1)

fat man with a monke (869132) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563429)

How did /this/ get on the front page anyways..

Because that's where new stories go. I'd like to see how much you bitched if they put new stories on the back page.

NOT UNUSUAL (4, Informative)

atcdevil (700926) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562804)

The PS2Linux is RedHat based and came out years ago.

Sony TV (5, Interesting)

poppageek (115260) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562880)

I bought a Sony 34" widescreen CRT TV. In the documentation was a copy of the GPL. Seems the menu runs Linux. They list the kernel, busybox and about 6 libs. I submitted it as a story but was rejected.

I thought it was interesting as it takes awhile for it to display anything when you first turn it on. I thought the CRT needed to warm up. Maybe it is just Linux booting.

Re:Sony TV (4, Funny)

ZorinLynx (31751) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562931)

My 32" CRT TV stays dark for a few seconds and then suddenly turns on. Not sure if it's linux booting, or just a circuit that suppresses the picture until the tube warms up so you never see a dim, blurry image before it's optimally warmed up...

-Z

Re:Sony TV (1)

PornMaster (749461) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563137)

They hide the boot messages so you don't get all confused. It's like MS Bob for Linux. Don't want you all confused.

Pioneer Plasmas Too (4, Interesting)

asv108 (141455) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563206)

On the same note, I recently purchased a Pioneer Plasma TV [alexvalentine.org] and found notices for the linux kernel [alexvalentine.org] and openssl [alexvalentine.org] . Apparently the media box that comes with the display runs on Linux and uses openssl.

Re:Sony TV (1)

hvatum (592775) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563246)

What, a Slashdotter who actually reads the manual and documentation!

You must have landed at the wrong website or something. :P

Video streaming... (2, Interesting)

jay-be-em (664602) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562929)

I could definitely see some uses for streaming video off a linux device, in particular http://www.dejenerate.net/ruxpin/pub/BLACKPPL.avi [dejenerate.net]

Re:Video streaming... (2, Funny)

planetoid (719535) | more than 9 years ago | (#12562974)

Phil Collins fellating a Pringles chip. Now I've seen it all.

Re:Video streaming... (1)

C0llegeSTUDent (876813) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563701)

Holy hell...I hope you are stabbed with a thousand knives for posting that URL.

I also feel very bad for those pringles.

How times have changed.... (3, Funny)

mister_jpeg (46354) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563056)

Years ago I spoke to a company in Chicago who were just breaking into, even creating this market. They were using plasma displays and whatnot in retail environments. The kicker was they were running Macintoshes and all of the artwork was in Director. They ran ISDN lines to each and every location, and when there was an update, they'd have to dial each machine and upload the new artwork.


I don't think that company still exists ;)


Yay for Linux, yay for broadband.

Re:How times have changed.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12563313)

I worked on that project in Chicago you referred to...

I was intrigued by the slashdot article because I still have some of the business cards that I got from the *SONY engineers* that came by for a visit.

Incidentally, they *are* still around as a division of a division of a company purchased by the French firm Publicis about 4 yrs ago...

http://www.marketforward.com/high_bandwidth/englis h/sirentech.html/ [marketforward.com]

Re:How times have changed.... (1)

mister_jpeg (46354) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563629)

Siren Tech.. yes, that's them. Sorry about violating that NDA in my post, guys. Woops ;)



At the time, I thought intelligent signage was a wicked clever idea. The implementation was clunky, but that was 1999. I'm not sure what would have been a reasonable alternative then.


I wonder if they've gone to Linux and rendered video now. Seems the way to go, no? Sony seems to think so, and apparently they're making money at that game.

Re:How times have changed.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12564017)

There were [and probably still are] some very creative and intelligent people there...

There were plenty of alternative ideas being floated around there internally and several spinoffs were spawned as a result...

Seems like you need to be higher on the hardware food chain tho' to make any real money in the "dynamic signage" game.

Simply developing slick content [Siren's is among the nicest I've seen] isn't quite enough to support a business.

I think they do Flash on Windows now, but I havent talked to anyone internally there for a couple of years now so maybe that's changed...

Linux Media Player? (2, Interesting)

querencia (625880) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563195)

If they're using Red Hat Linux, anyone have any idea what player they're using? I doubt they wrote their own from scratch for this thing, and because Sony isn't a Linux house, I'd guess that they are licensing 3rd party or using open source. (I'd love it if it used ffmpeg so I could get my hands on that cool video scheduling interface, and in any case, I'd like to know what Sony chose for their "high bit rate" mpeg2.)

Can someone with access to one of these things take a look at the video libraries and tell us where they come from?

Re:Linux Media Player? (1)

Klowner (145731) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563679)

I've been using them at my new job (digital signage place, surprise). The NSP-1's seem rather finicky about the format, 720x480 MPEG2 specifically, and they claim they can also handle streaming MPEG4, but we haven't tried that yet.

But then again, I just started fiddling with these things about 2 weeks ago so I'm sure there's a lot I don't know about it.. Although it runs apache and includes some great Engrish phrases on the web-based control thingy.

"System is now the restarting"
"Please wait to the close of your browser"

THIS JUST IN / WAS IN / FROM DEPT OF IN-NESS (1)

CloudDrakken (582681) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563217)

I'm curious why I haven't seen this before as the ps3 mock-designs. What a shocker! No game discs! Would probably top sales until people realized there really aren't any games for it. But now it is officially true: You CAN be too poor for open source.

Well, this is a new low (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12563264)

Terrible submission.

imagine if it came with windows (3, Funny)

updatelee (244571) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563266)

$1995 and it comes with linux, Imagine how much it would cost if it came with XP, $2995 ?

Make your claims (1)

has2k1 (787264) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563286)

I got a chance to play with one today.

Ok Mr poster, I admit I have not RYFA. But if you played with it and it still does what sony intended it to do, then you don't know how to play.

There:-) (3, Interesting)

khrtt (701691) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563308)

Delta Song Airline has an onboard satellite TV in each seat back, and they all run linux. Yay!

How do I know? Well, one time I was flying Song, and the system hung up, and the stewardess rebooted it, and the linux boot screen came up on all the seatback displays, complete with the Tux logo. It's sooo coool!! I'm soo coool!!

Re:There:-) (1)

ScreamingSlave (626772) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563406)

I can confirm this. I saw the seatback displays all reboot and watched Linux boot up. I thought it was pretty neat and myy wife thought I was a dork :)

Re:There:-) (4, Funny)

MostlyHarmless (75501) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563495)

Yay Linux sightings, but: what does it mean if two random slashdot users both saw those seats needing a reboot? Tell them you saw a BSOD instead, and we'll just not take credit for that particular system...

Re:There:-) (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12563502)

If they're rebooting, though, there's something wrong.

I spotted the same thing at the International Spy Museum in Washington, DC. There were some P3 Linux boxes(hidden inside a counter) that had encountered some problem, as they kept rebooting...

Linux on public sign display (1)

pfriedma (725399) | more than 9 years ago | (#12563570)

So, it's not all that surprising to use !Windows for a public information display. In fact I would say it's a better idea... not because linux is really better or anything (well I guess in a way) but more so that when a linux video terminal dies, it usually just goes black, as opposed to throwing up a BSOD. If I were waiting in line at a bank or something, and one of their displays bluescreened, I would loose a bit of respect for them. Maybe that's just me.

Price depends on target clientile (1)

Neelay H Thaker (884873) | more than 9 years ago | (#12564025)

The target clientile seems to be institutions such as banks and airports. In that case, the price seems to be justified. If Sony wants to target the low end consumers, they will certainly have to bring down the price.

mod 3own (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12564115)

win 0ut; eith3r the the future of the of user base for real problems that of programming those uber-asshole end, we need you kill myself like
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