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The Nintendo Conference In-Depth

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the another-tiny-handheld-yay! dept.

Portables (Games) 553

Yesterday's Nintendo press conference was probably the most subdued and honest of the three major events this week. While they didn't have anything really earth-shattering to offer up, the Gameboy Micro, the Revolution's game-downloading capabilities, and the new Zelda Trailer were all welcome news from a company that has been very quiet of late. Commentary, photos, and speculation available from: Nintendo, Engadget, USAToday,,, Gamespot, Cube.IGN, NYT, BBC, Gamasutra, and CNN. Specific coverage on the new Gameboy Micro is available from Gamasutra,, and CNN. My two cents about Nintendo's conference are available below.Last night I took in G4's E3 coverage, and their discussion of the Nintendo press conference struck a chord with me. This last console cycle, with the Gamecube, Nintendo really missed the boat. The GC wasn't released until many months after the PS2 was already in homes lighting up screens, and their attempts to carve out a market share were always muddled by confusing choices. The most confusing choice of the current generation, by far, was their almost complete refusal to participate in online gaming. While the Xbox sailed by with the Live service and the PS2 limped into the arena with the broadband adapter, the GC quietly sailed on with only Phantasy Star to break up its lonely voyage. At last year's E3 Nintendo very specifically said that they were not going to miss the boat this time. They were going to release the next console right around the same time as the other two companies and make sure their name was out there.

I have high hopes for the Revolution, but to be honest Nintendo's press conference was very underwhelming. Even given that the PS3 isn't going to be on store shelves for another year, what Sony showed on Monday was literally jaw-dropping. Even if there was some liberal use of pre-rendered footage in the presentation, the press conference put on by Sony was designed to fire the imagination and get people excited about the possibilities of the next generation. Nintendo offered us Nintendogs. And a new Game Boy Advanced. Yes, I think that downloading old games onto your Revolution is a cool idea, but a...uh...friend of mine tells me that I can emulate those games on my PC for free.

Perhaps all this is just worrywortism. Nintendo has never failed to be innovative in the past, and their support of the DS and quirky games like Warioware is proof that not everything has to be same-old same-old in this ever more business-like industry. They have more than a year to get their ducks in a row, but I'm afraid that Sony and Microsoft may have already beaten them to the punch. In the end, it's not just about making fun games. You have to sell them too.

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my 2 cents listed below (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12568777)

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I Guess Zonk wasn't overly impressed?

HEY, I'M ZONK AND I'M AT E3!!!!!!1 (1)

CmdrTaco (troll) (578383) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568896)


fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12568784)

sega does what nintendont.

oh please (4, Funny)

prockcore (543967) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568789)

Yes, I think that downloading old games onto your Revolution is a cool idea, but a...uh...friend of mine tells me that I can emulate those games on my PC for free.

Yeah, copyright infringement is soo much cheaper!

Re:oh please (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12568841)

oh well. as long as you can sleep at night.

who cares, they milked the original tetris/super mario games long enough. i can take them for free and i dont care.

Re:oh please (-1)

Leroy_Brown242 (683141) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568941)

Yeah, I hear some people sleep great in jail. ]:8}>

Re:oh please (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12568939)

You're right. This is exactly why the iTunes music store was such a huge flop.

Oh wait...

Re:oh please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569091)

And who emulates an N64 effectively?

Hellloooo . . . . (I said effectively)

Oh yay...BLAH (0, Flamebait)

WickedClean (230550) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568796)

I thought those classic NES games for the GBA were a ripoff. They expect me to pay 20-25 bucks for the same exact game from 15 years ago without any new graphics or sound. I can download Nesticle and a couple hundred ROMS quicker that it would take me to drive to a store and buy one of those games. Hell, I could get on Ebay and buy an actual NES system with those games.

I think maybe Nintendo is feeling pressure from Sony's PSP, which is obviously superior to the DS, and they scrapped together something just so they can present. Lame!

Re:Oh yay...BLAH (1)

Metaphorically (841874) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568917)

It's too bad, Gameboy was so commonplace, it was a generic name like 'walkman' for a while. Okay, maybe 'walkman' dates me, but you get the idea. Even my nine year old daughter says that having no backlight on the first GBA was a major screw-up. Then the SP comes out and we're supposed to pay all over again for the same device done right?
Don't even get me started on the DS and how it's "not a replacement for the GBA."

Re:Oh yay...BLAH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12568929)

they scrapped together something just so they can present.

Yeah, that is so Nintendo's style. Always just scraping stuff together, and releasing information long before they have a working idea.

And yes, I am being sarcastic.

Re:Oh yay...BLAH (3, Interesting)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568969)

Hell, I could get on Ebay and buy an actual NES system with those games.

Well, assuming you can get one that'll actually still play decently and consistently. The last NES I played would periodically replace chunks of graphics with random characters. And while controlling an @ instead of a Mario was novel at first, it gets annoying eventually. Even my SNES(es) are a bit worn - sometimes it takes several tries to get a cartridge to load.

I agree that $20 a game is ridiculous, but if they lowered it to, say, $3-5 or several for $20, I'd snap one up and collect them all.

Re:Oh yay...BLAH (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569029)

And while controlling an @ instead of a Mario was novel at first, it gets annoying eventually.

I agree. Nethack got old pretty fast for me too.

Re:Oh yay...BLAH (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569037)

I see it far more likely that the NES/SNES/NES64 games will be part of the online service. For your $12 a month of so you will get all the old roms you want to play.
That constant income stream would be nice to have.

Re:Oh yay...BLAH (3, Informative)

lowrydr310 (830514) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569070)

That problem is caused by a worn header (where the cartridges electrical contacts plug into). If you're good with soldering (come on, most of us /.ers are) you can buy a new one and replace it. I did that to my original NES console, and it works as good as new!

Re:Oh yay...BLAH (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569256)

Yeah, or you can just prowl your local flea market until you find a 2nd generation NES. I've owned two of them; the second one was cracked and covered in oil and dirt (outside anyway) and after running a cleaning cart through it (yecch) it worked like a champ.

Re:Oh yay...BLAH (1)

gotpaint32 (728082) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568984)

I doubt PSP was on the front of Nintendo's mind when they decided to create the new GB. Though they are both in the portable gaming market, they are operating on completely different ends of the spectrum. That would be like saying because BMW released a new convertible, Kia would respond in kind by building their own. Such an argument is baseless. Gameboy has been milking their loyal fanbase and caters to a whole different demographic. It's amazing but the GB is still an ideal platform for younger children: it's cheap, uncomplicated, and sturdy. I think the PSP is targeted to a slightly more mature audience.

What pressure? (1, Troll)

bonch (38532) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569108)

I keep seeing comments on Slashdot about the Sony PSP being some sort of pressure on Nintendo.

That "Nintendogs" title mockingly referred to in the submission? Go take a look at how many copies it sold in Japan (hint, it's a high six-figure number). It sold 80,000 just the first day. In fact, the game caused DS sales to increase fivefold.

The PSP? Nintendo DS outsold it 3 to 1! These things don't get reported as much by the gaming press for some reason. Perhaps because the console gaming press, moreso than other tech press media, falls in love with any prerendered graphics or hyped up spec numbers.

Hello? PS2 rendering Toy Story in real-time, anyone? I see this every time there's a new generation of console releases. I don't deny Nintendo is in trouble, but it doesn't matter if E3 2005 was low-key for them because the system's not out for another year anyway.

In-depth coverage of an underwhelming press conf (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12568798)

Duh, it wasn't that great. The end.

Pah... (5, Funny)

Upaut (670171) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568802)

The Revolution's game-downloading capabilities

My Phantom can do that, and so much more. Infact my phantom is so much better: only those truely 31007, such as myself, can see its golden case...

Re:Pah... (-1, Flamebait)

paulwalker (883911) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568828)

That new nintendo platform is going to be as disappointing as its predecessors and I don't think it will be able to steal the market from the other consoles...

Nintendo should just fails it hard. Maybe it could try to go for the pink dollar...that is to try to get the gay community to support it somehow...a bit like pop singer kylie minogue who is now a gay icon and gets lots of pink money....

Maybe a theme with mario and luigi would be interesting....

Re:Pah... (4, Insightful)

Skye16 (685048) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568923)

You do realize that their target audience isn't the 14-28 year old demographic anymore, don't you? They put out games for kids - damn fine games, I may add. They focus on pick-up-and-play fun factor more than they do graphics. And what's so wrong with that? Just because it doesn't satisfy YOU doesn't mean that it satisfies no one.

The PS3 looks absolutely amazing (hardware specification wise - that controller looks like I could snap it in half in my hand), and it will appeal to those who want a powerful gaming experience. The XBox360 will as well. In fact, I imagine the market will be split into segments just like it was last time; RPG players on one console, everything else on the other, etc, etc. The sides may swap, but they're both going to have market share. And Nintendo will still be there, filling a certain special niche and filling it admirably. There's nothing wrong with that at all.

In fact, the only way I see Nintendo truly failing is if they try to be something they're not. Embracing their strengths and capitalizing on them is the best way for them to go right now.

Re:Pah... (1)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569141)

Exactly, I think Nintendo has realised that they have more to gain by continue to focus on the market both Sony and Microsoft overlook (not ignore, overlook). Nintendo has always put out the "weird" games that kids love.

I can't say I'm too happy about their decision to make the latest Zelda game darker, I don't know if Nintendo can pull something off.

Re:Pah... (0, Offtopic)

anakin876 (612770) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568847)

31007? eloot? This is new and more advanced 1337 speak?

Re:Pah... (0, Offtopic)

Upaut (670171) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568938)

31007? eloot? This is new and more advanced 1337 speak?
Its called an Ironic statement, as part of the joke. And to further this, I shall now use 31007, and only 31007, in future...

Look out pwned, 31007 is a'gunnin' for you...

Re:Pah... (1)

Pengunea (170972) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568951)

Well he did say his console is both invisible and gold. Sounds like some kind of enchanted loot to me!

Of course with it being the Phantom I'd haul it over to the local druids' to have it disenchanted. Y'know just to make sure it isn't a spectral object or anything. I'm just sayin'.

So you say you wanna revolution (2, Interesting)

40Two (867036) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568806)

I know I do, of the next-gen consoles it is at lesat the prettiest and the ability to download over 20+ years of nintendo content! Nintendo is coming back in a big way.

Actual Game? (3, Insightful)

bunburyist (664958) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568810)

Ok, those look damn smoooooth if I say so myself BUT are those in-game shots or the dreaded "let's show the incredibly breath taking cinematic art and make it LOOK in-game even though we will soon find out after dropping 50 bones that the in-game graphics are as bad as ET the Extra Terrestial on the Atari 2600!"

Re:Actual Game? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569235)

What are you referring to? The new Zelda trailer? It's hardly impossible, the largest part is just texturing. Besides, Gamespy got a hands on with a playable version.

Re:Actual Game? (1)

ZakuSage (874456) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569242)

If you mean PS3, the vast majority of it was rendered in real time. It is that powerful, and it is jaw dropping.

Don't be so easy on them (3, Interesting)

Metaphorically (841874) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568838)

Nintendo did miss the boat. They've parlayed their one-time leadership of the market into a great big bust. They could hope to catch the low-cost segment of the market with the specs that are given for the Revolution, but that would still require them to take advantage of media events like E3.

I think they're going the way of Sega and Atari. If they keep it up they won't be able to keep producing their own console.

Re:Don't be so easy on them (3, Interesting)

kaos.geo (587126) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568970)

I agree with you, but you have to take into consideration that MS second place in market share is still not getting them any real profit, while nintendo is a financially clean operation, of course MS can wait until the xbox starts being profitable for as long as they want, but that doesn't make the xbox a better console or signal that last time Nintendo missed the boat. MS enters a market and forces its way in. Call me an idealist but I hope that nintendo will prevail ;)

Re:Don't be so easy on them (1)

Metaphorically (841874) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569069)

I guess I hope so, too, but mostly for nostalgic reasons. MS has won in other sectors with this strategy before - just waiting out the competition and doling out from their deep pockets until everyone accepts them.

In the case of Xbox 360 vs Revolution though, I have to say the hardware on microsoft's side looks much better. Nintendo's recourse in that regard is the price point.

Re:Don't be so easy on them (1)

kaos.geo (587126) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569254)

I remember seeing the Dreamcast in action and thinking the graphics were awesome. The Xbox, besides having better graphics than the gamecube has a different "feel" to them (I know this sounds vague, but I cant justify the difference by hard facts or a logical explanation) We will just have to wait and see how the "revolution" fares. I root for them also for nostalgic reasons, my first handheld game was Mario Bros Game and watch. :) [] Will check your blog later! ;) bye.

Re:Don't be so easy on them (5, Interesting)

tuffy (10202) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569159)

Sega and Atari failed to make their consoles profitable, which is why they stopped making them. Last I heard, Nintendo's consoles themselves continue to be profitable which alleviates any need to be #1 in order to make up costs on software sales.

Re:Don't be so easy on them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569174)

Where are the specs to the revolution other then the dimensions? Or are you basing your opinion on the other specs on only the dimensions?

As a family man... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12568842)

As a parent-to-be, I'd hope Nintendo's downloads for the Revolution are affordable (say a few dollars max for NES games). I'd much rather have the classic Mario games available to my son rather than pick through the dust bins for the occasional good children's title on the PlayStation or XBox.

not just about making fun games... (1)

Worminater (600129) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568850)

Who carries Sonic games now? Thats the shocker imo...

Nintendo down the same path? I hope not. I'm an errant oldschool nintendo fanboy based on my 8bit experience mostly; and I bought a N64 on launch... Was i happy with it? Yes. I bought a PS1 only for FF7; and refused to buy a ps2 until a title i had to have was available. I did the same with Xbox and Gamecube; and i ended up buying none of them. We will see how it bans out... :p I really hope they dont go the way of sega and just become an excellent game house.

would be nice (1, Troll)

tont0r (868535) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568853)

i actually feel bad for nintendo. some people say that did it to themselves whenever they were on top with the SNES, but it almost hurts to watch a company release 2 bad systems in a row. they do a great job at being innovative (DS for example) but in reality, people just want good games. it is only until the past year or so that they have began opening up to more a mature market. until then, it was constantly ignoring it. same with the broadband market. with the expection of a few titles, they constantly ignored it. but hopefully now they will get everything in order.

i own all 3 systems right now and im sad to say the GC gets the least amount of use out of all. when i bought my N64, i literally played the thing 3-4 times and never touched it again. i hope the revolution will change the pattern that nintendo has seem to be repeating. and while it is great to see that mario, zelda, metroid, mario tennis, and any other old game you can think of getting rehashed constantly, please stop. well dont stop, but get some other titles under the belt other than what is already there. all i see are the top dogs are nintendo saying 'well, we have a shit system, but hey! we have mario! our cash cow only second to zelda!'

Re:would be nice (1)

Saige (53303) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569076)

For a while, the only current-gen console I had was the GC - and it got a LOT of use. Metroid Prime. MK:DD. SC2. Animal Crossing. Super Monkey Ball 1/2. Eternal Darkness. SSB:M.

After I bought my Xbox, the use went down - then stopped once I became addicted to Halo 2 on Xbox Live. It's not that I don't want to continue to play on it, just that I don't have enough time for all the Halo 2 I want to play, let alone play on the GC also. :)

Re:would be nice (5, Insightful)

40Two (867036) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569157)

I am sick and tired of people linking "good games" to the "mature market." I can't not express inwords how irritating that is to me. When the gaming industry gives out their awards for games Nintendo is always heavily represented. Nintendo is a lot like Disney. 9 times out of 10 they put out the highest quality stuff around, and though they are more geard towards a younger audience if you could just get the F*** over yourself for a second you could have fun too. I dare anyone out there to play Donkey Konga or Jungle Beat and NOT have fun, I literally dare you!

Re:would be nice (1)

gameboyhippo (827141) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569225)

Why does everybody assume that the only good games are mature games. I must say I have a bunch of game consolse, but one I don't have is the MS X-Box. Why? Because the vast majority of titles for the X-Box are mature titles.

My GBA and GC get the most use out of my collection of game consoles. The reason why Nintendo keeps cranking out those blockbuster family friendly games is because people buy 'em.

Personally I feel bad for all those gamers who have to rape a hooker to have fun in a game. Sounds pretty immature to me.

happy w/ my psp (1)

topper24hours (853597) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568854)

Playing antique games is a novelty, NOT a major selling point! It's like having a Video Camera that also plays back mp3s... I mean why not if it's cheap and if gives the user another reason to love their product. Nobody will initially buy based on such a flimsy feature though.

Flimsy feature? I think not. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569022)

>Playing antique games is a novelty, NOT a major selling point! It's like having a Video Camera that also plays back mp3s... I mean why not if it's cheap and if gives the user another reason to love their product. Nobody will initially buy based on such a flimsy feature though.

Having an huge (legal) library of old games is a great feature. If it is such a flimsy feature, why is it that so many of the homebrew apps for the other consoles are emus. Nintendo saw that their competitor's consles could play their own past library of games, and probably had a small if not large decsion to do this.

Re:happy w/ my psp (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569153)

Loyalty to customer base who are loyal to you is a big deal. As others have said, they are not losing money on each console in order to gain market share. They actually do make money on each console as well as new game.

Wait and see... (5, Insightful)

conigs (866121) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568866)

I for one, am taking a wait and see approach.

I've been a nintendo fan from the start with NES. Yes they lost a lot of the market when sony entered the game and gave them real competition, but they've consistantly showed inovation in the gaming industry

From what I've seen from the Sony footage, it looks absolutely amazing, and I'm sure the XBox360 will be great, too.... but I have a Tivo, I have my computer for browsing the internet... I want a game system (don't even get me started on XBox360's connectivity to the MediaCenterPC.... does anyone even own one?). I want new games. I don't want more FPS games. I want new genres... something different. I have faith that Nintendo will provide that something different. The DS (though akward and lacking) shows that they're not really afraid to try something new.

So, while Nintendo's press conference may have been underwhelming, I'm still excited for the Revolution.

Re:Wait and see... (1)

geeper (883542) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568989)

I for one, am taking a wait and see approach.

Me too! I'm waiting to seen when I can pre-order my PS3!

Risky strategy (2, Insightful)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568875)

The implications of this are pretty far-reaching. One the positive side, it potentially allows for some different ideas regarding game-play. The lower power is also probably going to translate into a lower (perhaps much lower) launch price, which could be an asset during the opening months of the next cycle, when the other consoles are still $400+.

However, it's not all good news. Less powerful hardware and a "different" control system is almost certainly going to have ramifications for cross-platform titles on the Revolution. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the vast majority of 3rd party developers just didn't bother. The simple fact is that most developers are, quite rightly, more concerned with making games that are going to sell well than games that will be fun for their programmers to work on. The nice thing at present with the X-Box and PS2 (and to some degree the Gamecube) is that they have a large shared library of games. You can play at least some titles from the Burnout, Baldurs Gate: Dark Alliance, Silent Hill, Grand Theft Auto and Metal Gear Solid franchises on more than one system and these are all A-list games. A lower price-point isn't going to be such a big selling-factor for parents if little Johnny can't play the latest big-name cross-platform game on the system.

Had Nintendo been making these moves at the end of the SNES generation, they would have had a decent (perhaps overwhelming) chance of success. However, that was the last time that they really had the market share (and hence the clout with developers) to dictate the shape of the future of the games industry. If they can make the design decisions they want to push through with the Revolution into industry standards, then they will recapture their dominance of the market. However, with Sony now being the real brand leaders, the odds are stacked against them to an almost impossible degree. If they fail, they're going to further establish their reputation as a niche player. Mario, Metroid and Zelda alone are not enough to stay afloat. In these days of spiralling development costs for both hardware and software, they couldn't hold that status for long before being forced down the Sega route.

I've not been much of a Nintendo fan for quite a while now; not since it was clear that they'd lost the plot during the N64/PSX generation. However, it's almost refreshing to see a company taking such risks in today's marketplace. Sadly, I think they've picked the wrong risks to take and this is ultimately going to lead to their demise.

Smart? (4, Interesting)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568876)

Not an expert by any means but Nintendo probably wanted the spotlight to itself. Honestly, everyone is talking about Xbox vs. PS3 --- Nintendo can wait a few weeks/months and release info on the Revolution once PS3/Xbox talks get a bit stale.

My question is if Nintendo and Sony are going to have U.S. launch dates at around the same time as Japan, or is the PS3 going to be out months and months before, like the PS2?

Re:Smart? (1)

Metaphorically (841874) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568967)

I think that's how some news sites are playing it out - Nintendo just wanted to stand alone. The thing is, the only way to stand alone is to be first. The followers will always be compared to others in the market.

The biggest problem with the strategy is that by the time their hardware gets out the door, their competitors are already in the living rooms.

Re:Smart? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569191)

Perhaps, they are being rather coy. If there's little data to go on how can you write their chances off so easily. It would be better to wait until we have actual footage (of all the consoles...) of their performance.

It would make some business sense to release details at some point in the future. They likely have a lower powered machine, but that does not make all the difference. They could feature on the positive side of the console and have it evaluated for it's own merits. The PS3 is some wonderful hardware as is the Xbox but there is still a long way to go until they are even released.

It's a suck it and see approach but as yet there is very little to go on.

If PSP was eating my lunch, I'd be quiet too (1, Insightful)

Cr0w T. Trollbot (848674) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568877)

I think Nintendo's days as a hardware company are numbered. Handhelds were the last area they had a commanding lead over the opposition, and the PSP has blown that to hell. I have four friends, two of whom have never owned any dedicated video-gaming system, who bought the PSP within a week of release. Without that handheld revenue, what are they making money on?

Given the deep pockets they're competing against, if Nintendo doesn't have at least three out-of-the-park homerun titles for release on their next platform, I think they're dead as a hardware company and will have to turn themselves into a pure game publisher.

Re:If PSP was eating my lunch, I'd be quiet too (4, Insightful)

prockcore (543967) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568936)

Handhelds were the last area they had a commanding lead over the opposition, and the PSP has blown that to hell.

Nintendo announced yesterday that the DS has outsold the PSP in japan 3 to 1.

Re:If PSP was eating my lunch, I'd be quiet too (1)

lakiolen (785856) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569260)

because of an out-of-the-park homerun title.

Re:If PSP was eating my lunch, I'd be quiet too (1)

geniusj (140174) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568986)

Sorry. Sony is still getting their ass kicked by Nintendo in the handheld market, and they will continue to do so for the next couple of years most likely. While Sony could definitely turn that around, I wouldn't call it yet. It's too early to tell.

Re:If PSP was eating my lunch, I'd be quiet too (1)

astrokid (779104) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569010)

It's a shame you only have 4 friends (kidding).

I think it's a little early to say that the PSP is taking any kind of lead in the handheld market at the moment. If you survey most kids as to what handheld they own I'm certain you'll recieve "Gameboy" as the prevalent answer.

And as for Nintendo needing three out of the park homerun titles on their next platform in order to compete how about:
  1. Mario
  2. Zelda
  3. Metroid
  4. Super Smash Brothers

Re:If PSP was eating my lunch, I'd be quiet too (1)

kylner (639495) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569080)

Except that by all account Nintendo was actually making a damn fine profit on its hardware whereas Microsoft lost money on every XBox sold. Nintendo may not currently be the top console seller, but it certainly makes enough off the hardware to subsidize further console development. Plus the GC was the perfect secondary home console for a lot of families with its low cost and relatively fun line-up of games.

Re:If PSP was eating my lunch, I'd be quiet too (4, Interesting)

Raptor CK (10482) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569112)

Two people with no prior console ownership buying an overpriced gimmicky handheld with games which have nothing to do with portable gaming? Yeah, Nintendo's really crying over that lost revenue.

Newsflash: They also don't have an NES, Sega Master System, SNES, Genesis, Playstation, PS2, Dreamcast, Xbox, any form of a Game Boy, or a DS. As far as Nintendo's concerned, they're either small children with very deep pockets, or people who probably weren't buying a game system in the first place.

They still have a commanding lead, as the opposition is new to the market, has no previously existing game library to fall back to, and designed a system focused on delivering the complete home console experience to your handheld, slow loading times and all. (Really, look at Wipeout. It's abysmally slow to load tracks, and that's just suicide on a handheld.)

Sure, I have a PSP. I even play games on it. But it feels more like I bought Lumines, and a PSP for it, than when I bought my GBA, and Castlevania, Metroid, and a few other titles for that. The handheld experience I'm used to, including a lightning-fast startup and seconds-to-gameplay, just aren't there, and as a result, it's going to take some truly spectacular titles to make the whole thing worth the wait between levels.

Re:If PSP was eating my lunch, I'd be quiet too (2, Insightful)

barawn (25691) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569177)

Handhelds were the last area they had a commanding lead over the opposition, and the PSP has blown that to hell.

Yah. Blew it completely to hell, 64,247 units to 38,778 in Japan last week.

Oh wait... the DS is the one leading the PSP. My bad. And when you consider that the GBA SP is still selling 10K-15K units/week, Nintendo owns 67% of the handheld units sold last week in Japan.

Overall the DS has outsold the PSP 2.2M units to 1.2M units. They aren't losing. And when the GB Micro enters the fray, things will likely get even stronger for Nintendo.

Why does everyone think Nintendo gives that much thought to the US market? I mean, really - we can all salivate over the Xbox 360, but in Japan, the Xbox was outsold by the original Gameboy Advance. I'm not even sure that it's made anymore. I could probably outsell the Xbox in Japan with a lemonade stand.

It's not like Nintendo's in any danger. Second place in Japan is still easily enough to sustain them, what with the silly amounts of cash they have available.

Re:If PSP was eating my lunch, I'd be quiet too (0)

dmarx (528279) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569181)

I think one of the articles says the DS outsold the PSP.

Re:If PSP was eating my lunch, I'd be quiet too (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569244)

Handhelds were the last area they had a commanding lead over the opposition, and the PSP has blown that to hell. I have four friends, two of whom have never owned any dedicated video-gaming system, who bought the PSP within a week of release.

I wouldn't base the entire state of the handheld console market on anecdotal evidence from four of your friends.

As another reply mentioned, the DS is outselling the PSP in Japan by a factor of three to one. Add in Nintendo's three version of the GBA hardware, and it's tough to argue against Nintendo still having the dominant marketshare.

Sure, the PSP has staked a claim at the high-end corner of the market, but it's still several years premature to predict that their commanding lead in the market is diminishing.

Nintendo never shows at E3 (5, Insightful)

neurosis101 (692250) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568881)

Nintendo always puts out the big information at Tokyo Game Show or some other usually Nintendo biased video game show in Japan. The fact they didn't supply anything at E3 is not a surprise. Why would you try to compete for press time when you can say something later and have the spotlight for yourself?

Re:Nintendo never shows at E3 (1)

Minced (871651) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569247)

Yeah, its hard to compete for decent coverage by the "hype loving" US gaming market. I've grown weary of gaming commercial from ALL companies...gaaah.

Reading too much into it, I think (4, Interesting)

Junks Jerzey (54586) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568905)

Nintendo didn't miss out on online in the current generation. Xbox Live has
been a mild success, though the majority of Xbox owners don't use it, but PS2
online was a fizzle.

Honestly, I think Nintendo has been trying harder than anyone to innovate. The
DS lineup is really out there: Nintendogs, PacPix, Electroplankton. Weird,
wonderful stuff. But maybe the rest of the hardcore gaming market has gone too
much over the top, expecting desaturated military shooters, which is what
everyone is announcing at E3 this year.

People like to cite Nintendo as the loser of the current generation, but that's
far from true. They dominate the handheld market both in hardware and game
sales. And though the Game Cube is the third place console, the big games for
that console are all coming straight from Nintendo, with each one pulling in
awards and selling like crazy.

Personally, I think Nintendo's biggest difficulty is that they lean much too
hard on old franchises: Metroid, Zelda, Mario, Kirby, and so on. They were once
fresh, but no longer. Hopefully some of Nintendo's experimentation will result
in a brand new hit for them.

Re:Reading too much into it, I think (2, Insightful)

Metaphorically (841874) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569027)

I think you've got a good point about online play. It seems like it's still the area of people that are heavy into gaming. The best thing about online games is the profit margin. That makes it harder to get the wider audience in to it. As that scene grows, though, the companies playing in that field will establish a name and profit from it.

Honestly, I think Nintendo has been trying harder than anyone to innovate.

This could be true, the problem is that the kind of innovation they're trying is really expensive. New toys like the DS get strong love/hate reactions (currently, I'm in the latter group).

Re:Reading too much into it, I think (1)

kirun (658684) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569106)

Well, Nintendo's own site [] says:

Big Names. Nintendo announced that new franchise properties will be added to current super-star franchises including Mario, Zelda, Super Smash Bros., Donkey Kong and Metroid. (my emphasis)

Downloading Games (1)

VividU (175339) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568916)

Downloading games to your console is hardly a big deal. You can do it today with Xbox Live. I already have Ms. Pac Man and Dig Dug. The games start at $5.

Here's how Nintendo can be number ONE next-gen (4, Insightful)

BTWR (540147) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568942)

Nintendo's retro-library could be their winning strategy. For every one of us here that love graphically-awsome new versions of Zelda and Resident Evil, or epic RPGs like Skies of Arcadia (or even non-gamecube games like half-life 2, Ico, KOTOR, etc), there are millions of others that loved their Mario 1, Dr. Mario and Punch-Outs that they played in their parents basement all day when it snowed and rained outside, who probably still pop it in when they come home for Thankgiving and play with their cousins. But... who have no need or feel overwhelmed by video games today. And believe me, as pretty as Warhawk (XBox 360) or Devil May Cry 4 (PS3) might seem to us, they'd care less (and, quite frankly, be intimidated by the game and its 12 buttons).

With a sucessful marketing campaign, imagine the outcome. Imagine the NES generation, now in their 20s and 30s, with disposable income to spend a mere $200 on, and showing them with Super Mario 3 in their homes. And... here's where I think the MAJOR innovation and system-seller will make Rev sell like wild-fire: combine the internet Wi-Fi with the old-school games. You could play Dr. Mario head-to-head with your old next-door neighbor, even if she now lives in Seattle. You wanna get some Street Fighter II action on? Pop it in. Still remember Up, Up, Down, Down, L, R, L, R, (select) start? Then now you can play through 8 levels of Contra with your college roommate. And as with the great NES games, we often loved watching others play them. Well, if a "spectator mode" is installed, your elementary school/camp buddy/cousin is only a wi-fi connection away, and you can watch him pound away at Bald Bull, King Hippo and Super Macho Man.

The nostalgia market is enourmous. It's more than a Mario-All Stars rehash like the GBA games. This could be the console that Nintendo was sorta going for (but never quite even made much of a dent) with their "Who Are You?" campaign. This sort of strategy will send the message to non-gamers that Nintendo is synonymous with fun. Synonymous with their childhood, and that feeling you had when you first got to World 8 in Super Mario 3. And... perhaps their own 5 year-olds that they now have? Get them in with these games. Then... they'll try that Mario 64 they might have heard their girlfriend's 18 year-old younger brother talk about. Then, they'll try the new Mario 128. Like that? Well, in the Nintendo Online startup screen, here's a frontpage:

"Welcome BTWR! Your collection includes Metroid (NES), Super Mario Bros 2 (NES), Tetris DX (Gameboy Color), Super Mario RPG (SNES) and Street Fighter II (SNES). Might we recommend Super Smash Bros (N64), Tetris Attack (SNES) or Metroid Prime (Gamecube)? Also, look for Metroid: Mission X coming next month for Nintendo Revolution and The Legend of Zelda: World of Hyrule for the Nintendo DS. Press A to pre-order it now on your NintendoAccount and get a 60-minute FreePlay of Super Metroid (SNES) and one (1) free downloadable NES 'Players-Choice' game you wish"

The possibilities are endless...

Re:Here's how Nintendo can be number ONE next-gen (1)

88NoSoup4U88 (721233) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569109)

Synonymous with their childhood, and that feeling you had when you first got to World 8 in Super Mario 3.

Ok, you got me all the way up to here.

The first two boat-maps (if i remember correctly) in that world were the biggest torture ever ! :D

Re:Here's how Nintendo can be number ONE next-gen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569202)

You're crazy man, the nostalgia factor isn't as big as the WOW $()#@#)($ Graphics factor.

It's the REVOLUTIONARY new GBA... (0)

zoomba (227393) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568952)

... that's exactly the same as the original GBA, which is the same as the GBA SP, which is the same as the GBA SP with the "retro" color scheme.

It's obvious Nintendo is in some trouble now since instead of coming out with really great new products, they're releasing a console that can't hope to compete against the XBox and PS3 (the GC sorta held its own because of the game selection at times), and yet another rehash of their latest Game Boy model. There's NOTHING exciting about the GBA Mini. It plays the same games I can already play... and now it's definitely too small for my hands.

I don't think they can afford to have the underpowered console yet again. Especially considering how wide the gap is this time around. I am a fan of Nintendo from the NES days, so I'll get the revolution eventually, but I don't have much hope for Nintendo succeeding in the US Market on this generation.

Re:It's the REVOLUTIONARY new GBA... (1)

presidentbeef (779674) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569134)

Well, in the Gamasutra article, Nintendo says they know this new GBA isn't the successor to anything, just another casing.

As far as the buying of these new handhelds, I know a certain small boy who has a GBA, SP, and will probably end up getting a DS, too. Or whatever. The point is that these aren't just for fact, when were video games meant for adults?

Adults know when something is a rip-off rehash whatever, but kids will still want them for Christmas....

Re:It's the REVOLUTIONARY new GBA... (1)

Overdrive_SS (243510) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569145)

What is revolutionary about the PS3 or the XBox 360? New media formats? Being a media center? They are all incremental developments. And why can't the new Nintendo compete with them? Have you played all three? How do you know it can't compete? I personally prefer Nintendo because they come out with games that are fun to play and they try to do something unique and innovative from time to time. But I have friends who have an XBox and a PS2 and there are some fun games on them also. I think it is a little early to make guesses based on Microsoft and Sony's hype. Let the actual product speak for itself.

Gamecube was not underpowered (2, Informative)

cfalcon (779563) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569240)

It fell between PS2 and Xbox, and is a lot closer to the Xbox in power. It also shipped between them, but really at the same time as Xbox.

This system looks to come out last, and be much less powerful :(

Is it just me... (3, Interesting)

Chickenofbristol55 (884806) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568960)

I believe that Nintendo is overstretching the life of the Gameboy. I mean, not to be a troll, but changing the configuration of a handheld doesn't extend its life, what does is making it more powerful. Does Nintendo think many people with an original Gameboy Advanced is likely to purchase a GBA sp, or a Gameboy mirco? I just don't see, now with the new consoles on the horizon, that there is a need for the Gameboy in its current state, especially due to the DS. Just my two cents.

Re:Is it just me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569115)

Er, maybe my memory is failing me, but I seem to remember that the stretch from original Game Boy through Game Boy Pocket through Play it Loud, all without any new features whatsoever, was quite a bit longer than the GBA -> GBA:SP -> GB Micro stretch, which did add features (lit screen).

iPod mini (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569146)

Well, thank goodness we have the market opinions of Slashdotters. They told me how pointless the iPod mini was, after all! That thing sure was a flop.


The Gameboy Micro is perfect. It's extremely tiny and cheap. People don't all want a giant PSP; they'll love a cell phone sized game machine that fits in their pockets.

I like the Game Boy Micro (1)

Xiph (723935) | more than 9 years ago | (#12568971)

It has that sleek look that means mothers will buy it. and the specs don't look bad. it's a 2 by 4 setup, and 1.8 centimetres (about 0.7 inches) and it definately looks like something dads would buy for their kids :D

Prerendered v. Live Gameplay (1)

mckwant (65143) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569007)


I mean, seriously, half the G4 coverage w.r.t. the PS2 last night addressed that issue. Then I thought about what I'd seen. In the PS3 "ducky" demo, there was that bald SCEE VP allegedly tweaking the duck's movement. Was it live, or was it Memorex? We've no idea. We have to take the presenters at their word until somebody can lay their hands on a demo, which at this point, will not be the final hardware, or the game's engine isn't properly tweaked, or something.

Besides which, so what? The PS3 tech demos were, IMHO, better than anything MS showed, so why didn't MS show prerendered stuff too? Or did they, and it just doesn't look that good?

I suppose it's just one of those "lies, damnable lies, and benchmarks" kind of things, but it's a little absurd devoting much effort to a discussion.

How about a thread re: the estimated $400 console price on both the Xbox2 and PS3 [] ? I know that's going to keep me on my trusty PS2 for at least another year.

You guys are missing the point. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569021)

The downloadable content isn't their big feature, its an effect of their new wireless play. Don't you guys remember a few years ago about how exciting this shadow of the online console gaming era was? The speculation, everything. Then Xbox had xbox live, but I've tried to use Xbox live for Halo, and Halo 2. The optimatch is soooo slow. It takes a good 3 - 4 minutes everytime you want to join a game. Screw that, I can join games instantly and stay in them indefinatly with neXBC ( [] ). Online console gaming is just not up to par yet.

Enter the revolution. That's all they are trying to do. Is let you have QUALITY online play. Think about this all you Nintendo fans. REAL online Super Smash Brother Melee tournaments. Don't even fucking pretend that you don't already have 60 bucks hidden behind a book or something just collecting dust in the event that SSB 3 will be released. I know I am ^.^

Nintendo On (2, Interesting)

rayde (738949) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569023)

i haven't seen anybody commenting about the Nintendo On rumor...

if you check out [] it points mysteriously to an IGN article [] containing a link to a video that it calls a hoax. However, we know that IGN is in cahoots with Nintendo (Gamespy being the online content provider for DS and presumably Revolution). Also, if you check out the video, it's got amazingly high production values for a hoax.

Trendsetters! (1, Funny)

anubis__ (168382) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569033)

From Article [] :

George Harrison, Nintendo of America's senior vice president of marketing and corporate communications, commented: "... Because of its diminutive size and industrial-hip look, Game Boy Micro immediately identifies the person playing it as a trendsetter with discriminating style."

I've always wondered what it takes to be a trendsetter. Now I know, its some corporate businessman simply saying "if you buy our product, you are a trendsetter!" I can't wait to get mine and set some trends with my disciminating style.

Oh crap... I just realized my joke isn't funny because its the truth.

Re:Trendsetters! (0)

eobanb (823187) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569179)

George Harrison!?

I want to tell you
My head is filled with things to say
When you're here
All those words, they seem to slip away

When I get near you
The games begin to drag me down
It's all right
I'll make you maybe next time around

Thank you, thank you. Try the veal.

What concerns me more (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569230)

I'm even more concerned by the fact that they have a dead Beatle as one of their senior vice presidents.

Is it possible that Mario is actually Elvis?

G4 said it best about Nintendo (2, Insightful)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569034)

They have never been about the smash bang first number one system EVER. They where number one because of content, and they still do content better than everyone because for ever re-release they put out there is some new inovative game that actually IS inovative like Donkey Konga. Nintendo now though has decided that being the second system people buy for their home is just as good as being the first. They still have a big fanbase who will buy Nintendo underwear iif it came out and they still have games that even being "kiddy" manage to get people to go out and BUY the system (case in point, Animal Crossing got my GF to buy hers, I still am questioning buying a Cube for Zelda since I loved playing hers so much)

Nintendo has become the Apple of the gamming world, just look at the Revolution its self, almost exactly like a gaming version of the Mac mini. I think they are very happy being #2.

Now I got to wash my brain out for EVER agreeing with anything G4 has ever said.

most honest? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569036)

So you say others are not? I don't know if PS3's spec is true or not. But if you base it on how good it looks, then you're wrong, because good does not equate to dishonest.

If you say that's the pattern of Sony, then you're wrong again, because you cannot judge until it comes out.

So, unless something came out from the conference that points out that they're not honest, I have to disagree with you.

Downloadable Old Skool Games = Good Idea (1)

ultimabaka (864222) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569054)

I guess I'm the only person here who thinks that the ability to pay a few bucks (or, I hope and pray very loudly that it's only a few bucks...) for old skool NES and SNES games that can run on this system actually makes this a good selling point, the ability to illegally download them notwithstanding. Hearing about another in-house production game (Mario 32,000? Metroid Prime 16? Zelda I can't even think of a number high enough?) makes me sick almost every time I do - seriously does make me hark for the days of the older skool. Combine old skool goodness with new skool technology (the thing would look a helluva lot nicer than any previous Nintendo system with my home entertainment system, and if it's anything like the GameCube, it'll drop in price VERY quickly), and you've got something workable.

Want to know how to make it a lot better though? Simple: allow the purchase of import games that never made it to the US. I was definitely not the only person who didn't realize, for example, that Mario 2 was not really Mario 2, or Final Fantasy 3 was actuallly 6. Let me buy import games on an American system (new or old) and I think I'll just buy this thing.

Mod the Editor Up (2, Insightful)

Aaron_Pike (528044) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569055)

It's a shame we can't mod editors up. This one actually held off however long it took to gather a good chunk of the useful articles out there and post them to /. all at once. Kudos!

Disclosure: the editor is on my friends list, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that he's doing Something Right.

Go Nintendo (4, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569092)

I have to admit, I'm quite a Nintendo fanboy, so you can disregard my comments if you like. There a few advantages that the GC had over its peers that I'd like to point out.

1. Portability: The light weight and small form factor of the GC allows it to be toted around to a friends' house if you want to, or for it to be brought with you for weekend trips.

2. Load Times: The GC has much better load times then both PS2 and XBox. So much less that many games appear to have no load times at all.

3. Lower Price: A new GC can be had for 100 $CDN right now. XBox still costs around 200 $CDN, which is about double the price.

4. Better Controllers: While this is a matter of taste, I believe the controllers are much better on the GC. The buttons are much better laid out, allow easy movement between the buttons, and allowing the buttons to be easily located. One exception is that stupid z button.

I think the GC is one of the most underrated systems of all time. It lost out because people are afraid to buy something that looks kiddie, even though it is anything but. I hope Nintendo grabs more market with the Revolution. I also don't think that the Revolution will scare away 3rd party developers with some weird control scheme. Remeber, it is going to be backwards compatible with GC.

Re:Go Nintendo (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569128)

I also forgot to point out the warranty. GC is the only system with a 12 month warranty. That's 4 times longer than the other systems. I don't trust a product that a company will only warranty for 3 months. Nintendo products have always been better quality, and I will always trust them.

Re:Go Nintendo (1)

tont0r (868535) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569172)

i own all 3 systems so i feel i have a pretty fair opinion about them. the downfall of the gamecube is because they arent paying attention to the mainstream market. the need for the little handle was unnecessary. sure, the 5 people that bring it their friends how like it, bu, and despite it being a dumb reason, there a lot of people out there that didnt buy because of the kiddish look. but honestly? what did they miss out on? some old rehashed games? price? cheap is cheap. cant really argue with that. but the controller, i think its safe to say that sony has the best controller. MS got their ass in gear and got rid of the controllers meant for bears, but i still know a lot of people that get cramps in their hands from the nintendo controllers. honestly, i see nintendo going the atari and sega route. the only thing they had going for them was the hand held market and that now is being ripped away from them. although i really hope it doesnt come to that since im a fan of competition. but it looks like now they are getting their act together and making sure they put this system together correctly. and they better do it because they have more experience in the console market than any of the others.

Nintendo not going the way of Sega (3, Insightful)

haggar (72771) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569120)

*shock horror how can he say such a thing*

Well, the fact is that the console war is not a winner-takes-all game. At least Nintendo is not playing it that way. They are profitable, and very much so, by being third.

Also, the PSP is not killing the DS "shock horror how can... etc.". They have sold about the same.

Finally, the fact that the Revolution is not 100 times more powerful than the GC doesn't mean a thing. The graphic capabilities of the GC were already quite good, and of course, a little improvement doesn't hurt, but how much more power do games really need? Many games are perfectly enjoyable on systems like the Mega Drive already. The hardware capabilities of the game consoles of today are very close to just how much you need, because the human eye has it's own, physiological, treshold. Exceeding it is meaningless (except for penis-lenght battles, i.e. my penis has 8 cell processors - yeah, but my penis can do 2 teraflops and has 1 GBYTE of UBGRAM).

Three Words (0)

dmarx (528279) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569125)

Third party support.
Where is it?

Some more coverage (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569129)

Games Are Fun [] had a blog of the Nintendo conference [] with smaller "wrap-up" articles about the details for the DS [] and the Revolution. [] As well as lots of other E3 coverage of course :)

Anyone notice this tidbit? (3, Interesting)

scmcclain (698239) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569170)

from the press release...
Freedom of design: A dynamic development architecture equally accommodates both big-budget, high-profile game "masterpieces" as well as indie games conceived by individual developers equipped with only a big idea.
does this mean we can have homebrew developers? Or is this just wordsmithing?

How many years has this been on the market? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569194)

Please, for the love of all things holy, it's

GAME BOY ADVANCE in to move, or a movement forward. One 'D', thank you. It's hard to take your punditry seriously when you don't even know the name of the product you're spouting off about.

YUO FAIL iT! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569206)

moans and g8oans pErspective, the the above is far in posting a GNAA

nintendo may be the only game maker who gets it (2, Insightful)

coffeecan (842352) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569221)

To be honest I am not so keen on Sony or Microsofts new offerings. They are still running the spec race when it comes to video game performance. All tech industries run this race (computers, digital cameras, and media players) Its part of the way the industry works. every comany wants to flaunt concrete numbers to validate what is ultimately an abstract experience. For computers it was clock speed , for digicams megapixels, for media players hard drive/flash space. But as each of these sectors Matured the spec race has become less relevent (still a factor mind you but not the final say of quality). so here we have sony and micro$oft bickering over which console can do the most floating point calculations. Gimmie a break IF THE GAMES SUCK THE CONSOLE WILL ALSO SUCK. Ninetedo seems to be the only company who gets this, and I hope that they can pull off some great gameplay and content inovation with the revolution. If so then i think they could easly be the number 2 player in the hardware market, maybe even oust sony for #1.

This is the worst of /. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569250)

"but a...uh...friend of mine tells me that I can emulate those games on my PC for free."

When I read stuff like this on /. it makes me embarassed to be a paying subscriber. This is awful writing.

Does the size of the console matter??? (1)

ghostunit (868434) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569261)

I'm a nintendo fan (M$ hater too) but I'm a bit worried that the Revolution may not so revolutionary after all. The only thing we have been let know about it are features already present in other consoles (wireless controllers, internet) or pointless stuff such as the size of the console. Why should I care what size the console is? It's not like I need to carry it around or something. I hope there are some great and unique features on the Nintendo Revolution, because so far this system seems pretty run-of-the-mill. Also, about the DS, this is a good system, but I'm worried we haven't seen games that use the dual screens creatively. Mainly, the bottom screen is just used as a touch-pad and that's it. What happened to the innovation? I applaus Nintendo's statements about how the game industry must find new ways of gaming and reinvent itself, and while Nintendo has made some interesting advancements, so far they have left a lot to be desired.
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