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Microsofts "Honeymonkey" Project

samzenpus posted more than 9 years ago | from the how-could-this-go-wrong dept.

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g0bshiTe writes "Ever hear the saying, 'given enough time a room full of monkeys could type out Shakespeare'? Well Microsoft seems to be taking this saying to heart, and taking a cue from the Honeynet project, they have created what they have dubbed 'honeymonkeys.' Security Focus has an article which describes this honeymonkey network, which is little more than a network of virtual Windows XP boxes in various patch states. These boxes are setup to crawl the seedier side of the web in search of vulnerabilities not bieng reported, and are being actively exploited in an attempt to further secure their product. Sounds like a decent idea from the Redmond crew to me."

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yo yo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572015)

First for GNAA!

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Re:I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572256)

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HoneyMoney $*$*$

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Re:I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572328)

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secret name of the honeymonkeys (5, Funny)

Hank Chinaski (257573) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572028)

they call these guys "customers" over in redmond ...

Re:secret name of the honeymonkeys (1)

GoClick (775762) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572139)

I like BBQ Monkey personaly,

but BBQ Microsoft Developer would also do

Re:secret name of the honeymonkeys (1)

AVIDJockey (816640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572193)

Actually, I think that it's Melinda's pet name for Bill.

Re:secret name of the honeymonkeys (2, Funny)

krakelohm (830589) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572220)

No, I think I had heard it was moneymonkey.

Re:secret name of the honeymonkeys (5, Funny)

st1d (218383) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572361)

Nope, it's B.G.'s pet name for Steve Ballmer. I thought everybody knew that...

Re:secret name of the honeymonkeys (4, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572260)

> they call these guys "customers" over in redmond ...

No, those are developers. Developers. Developers. Developers. Developers. Developers. Developers.

Re:secret name of the honeymonkeys (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572341)

sigh...

I like monkeys. The pet store was selling them for five cents a piece. I thought that odd since they were normally a couple thousand each. I decided not to look a gift horse in the mouth. I bought 200. I like monkeys.

I took my 200 monkeys home. I have a big car. I let one drive. His name was Sigmund. He was retarded. In fact, none of them were really bright. They kept punching themselves in their genitals. I laughed. Then they punched my genitals. I stopped laughing.

I herded them into my room. They didn't adapt very well to their new environment. They would screech, hurl themselves off of the couch at high speeds and slam into the wall. Although humorous at first, the spectacle lost its novelty halfway into its third hour.

Two hours later I found out why all the monkeys were so inexpensive: they all died. No apparent reason. They all just sorta' dropped dead. Kinda' like when you buy a goldfish and it dies five hours later. Damn cheap monkeys.

I didn't know what to do. There were 200 dead monkeys lying all over my room, on the bed, in the dresser, hanging from my bookcase. It looked like I had 200 throw rugs.

I tried to flush one down the toilet. It didn't work. It got stuck. Then I had one dead, wet monkey and 199 dead, dry monkeys.

I tried pretending that they were just stuffed animals. That worked for a while, that is until they began to decompose. It started to smell real bad.

I had to pee but there was a dead monkey in the toilet and I didn't want to call the plumber. I was embarrassed.

I tried to slow down the decomposition by freezing them. Unfortunately there was only enough room for two monkeys at a time so I had to change them every 30 seconds. I also had to eat all the food in the freezer so it didn't all go bad.

I tried burning them. Little did I know my bed was flammable. I had to extinguish the fire.

Then I had one dead, wet monkey in my toilet, two dead, frozen monkeys in my freezer, and 197 dead, charred monkeys in a pile on my bed. The odor wasn't improving.

I became agitated at my inability to dispose of my monkeys and to use the bathroom. I severely beat one of my monkeys. I felt better.

I tried throwing them way but the garbage man said that the city wasn't allowed to dispose of charred primates. I told him that I had a wet one. He couldn't take that one either. I didn't bother asking about the frozen ones.

finally arrived at a solution. I gave them out as Christmas gifts. My friends didn't know quite what to say. They pretended that they like them but I could tell they were lying. Ingrates. So I punched them in the genitals.

I like monkeys

Hmm. (1)

AVIDJockey (816640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572030)

I'm sure "honeymonkey" is a euphemism for something. I'm just not sure what. You dirty honeymonkey.

euphemism... (1)

kn0tw0rk (773805) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572107)

I think you're after "spanking the monkey" - meaning self gratification.

Re:euphemism... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572301)

so then honeymonkey is just backwards, and more properly monkeyhoney?

"John, did you clean up the monkeyhoney?"

err... eew.

Re:Hmm. (5, Funny)

lcnxw (743741) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572142)

No, it is the start of Microsoft Newspeak. Longhorn will no longer say "Memory Page Fault" but instead "memfault." "Blue Screen" (bluescree) will lose its negative meaning and come to be a blessing from m.s. (Microsoft). Words like honeymonkey will eventually take on meanings like Ingsoc or doublethink, and there will be no more crashes, because it is no longer possible to concieve a crash.

"he is a doubleplusgood honeyeymonkeyer."

"Bluescree! Praise m.s.!"

"MSCalc: 2+2=5!"

Re:Hmm. (5, Funny)

Heliologue (883808) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572181)

Computers are supposed to crash. Computers have always crashed.

The First Crash (4, Funny)

nmb3000 (741169) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572289)

Here's the first crash [gdargaud.net]

I think they were computing pi.

Did the sun rise from the West? (2, Funny)

nydanceboy (708980) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572034)

I can't believe this... praise for Redmond in slashdot. Did the sun rise from the West?

Re:Did the sun rise from the West? (2, Insightful)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572071)

Did the sun rise from the West?
Sort of.

A good idea from the MS guys is a really rare thing.
And as such, it is certainly worth the praise.

Re:Did the sun rise from the West? (2, Interesting)

EpsCylonB (307640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572189)

A good idea from the MS guys is a really rare thing.
And as such, it is certainly worth the praise.


No its not, from a company that has a 50 billion dollar warchest and can afford to hire the best and brightest, you should expect only good ideas.

Re:Did the sun rise from the West? (3, Insightful)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572287)

Yeah, and everybody should hold hands around a campfire and sing Kum-bay-yah too, but the real world tends to be a little different.

Re:Did the sun rise from the West? (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572299)

Okay, so they're using virtual PCs but this is just an extension of someone else's idea ... which for all Microsoft's billions is all they ever manage to get to market. Bill Gates claims that "technological miracles cross my desk every week" but he doesn't actually market any of them. Still ... I won't be surprised if this results in Microsoft being issued a patent on the concept of a honeypot, though, virtual or otherwise.

Get ready for a ton of these (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572038)

*GENERIC JOKE ABOUT MONKEYS BEING IN CHARGE OF MS WINDOWS SECURITY*

Just thought I'd head everyone off here...

(lameness filter padding lameness filter padding lameness filter padding)

Re:Get ready for a ton of these (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572275)

That joke is from the Government dept. of Redundant Dept. of Redundancy

hmm.. (0)

AhuraMazda (856057) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572040)

Does that mean no more monkey business from Redmond either?!!

Doesn't surprise me (2, Funny)

coljrigg (810394) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572042)

I always assumed Skynet was based off of Windows XP.

Re:Doesn't surprise me (1)

Walker2323 (670050) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572132)

No, Skynet is based off of Windows Millenium.

Warning: This Operation Has Side Effects (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572044)

In addition to getting info on new vulnerabilities, they'll probably also get loads of malware to add to the anti-spyware tool. This is a good thing.

mmmmmm... honeymonkey (4, Funny)

DaedalusLogic (449896) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572045)

Sounds delicious.

But the real reason they named the project this is because they intend to sting you like a bee and then throw fecal matter at you.

Re:mmmmmm... honeymonkey (3, Funny)

Rorschach1 (174480) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572149)

Could this [theonion.com] be a related species, perhaps?

Re:mmmmmm... honeymonkey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572216)

vulnerabilities not bieng reported, and are bieng actively

Give me a fucking strength! How hard is to run a quick spellcheck: samzenpus. Where is slashdot finding its editors?

Re:mmmmmm... honeymonkey (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572250)

mmmmmm... honeymonkey
Sounds delicious.


Oh, and you haven't tasted... Snake Surprise [imdb.com] !

Good idea (4, Interesting)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572052)

This is a pretty good idea. If anything, it will help curb the script kiddies indesciminantly flinging exploits around. Unless you want that overflow you found to get patched, pick and choose your targets carefully.

Re:Good idea (5, Funny)

harrkev (623093) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572150)

Sure. It sounds like a good idea -- until these boxes hit some warez and mp3 sites. Next thing you know, the BSA and MPAA are knocking on Microsoft's door. I wonder how many licenses for Windows and Office the BSA will force Microsoft to buy...

Re:Good idea (1)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572253)

Unless you want that overflow you found to get patched, pick and choose your targets carefully.
Given that most of the heavy-hitting worms and malware use already-patched exploits, I don't think that this is all that much of a concern to the typical script kiddie.

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"bieng"? (4, Funny)

Cheap Imitation (575717) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572054)

It looks like the monkeys aren't only working on Shakespeare...

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Thu May 19 01:09:16 CEST 2005 [2051]

New job posting at Microsoft (5, Funny)

Absolut187 (816431) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572061)

These boxes are setup to crawl the seedier side of the web

Help Wanted:
Can you surf for porn at least 8 hours a day?
Self-motivated, goal-oriented individual needed full-time.
Pay commensurate with experience.

Put away your "Jump to Conclusions" mat (0)

DietCoke (139072) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572235)

Considering MS's stance on things like Linux, etc, I wouldn't jump to conclusions. They may consider "seedy" to be competitors, the DOJ, etc.

I'm sorry to break it to you, but your porn habit may still not be helping you in your job-hunting :)

Re:New job posting at Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572271)

Help Wanted:
Do you have an urge to click anywhere, anytime?
Are you easily persuaded to perform some "maintenance task" to your computer just by some email you received?
We want you!

Re:New job posting at Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572327)

Pay commensurate with experience?

I'll be RICH!

Seriously, this is a great idea. I bash MS as much as anyone, but I have to give them credit for this idea. Especially if they run Windows Media Player in some of those seedy locations. Errr.. a friend from work said that is a real vulnerability.

Re:New job posting at Microsoft (5, Funny)

Ithika (703697) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572368)

Do you have what it takes to hit the (honey)monkey?

A good idea (1)

Clown Jizz (766585) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572063)

This is actually a pretty good concept. I have my doubts that there are many exploits that are being actively exploited that aren't known about at all, though, which seems to be what they're banking on.

Mmmmm (1)

Pedrito (94783) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572065)

Isn't honeymonkey a dish in Africa?

Re:Mmmmm (2, Funny)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572229)

Hey! My girlfriend is African and I have to say ... some of the things she cooks resemble that remark.

Re:Mmmmm (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572263)

Yeah, only not so much with the 'honey.'

Hmm sounds like a great idea (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572076)

Queue the typical Slashdot groupthink about how Microsoft is somehow evil/stupid for doing this.

Actually attempting to use their product as if they were an end user in the wild of the internet. Seems to me this shows that Microsoft is definately moving towards a more security conscious mindset.

Re:Hmm sounds like a great idea (1)

kicken18 (839808) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572278)

I would totally agree here. MS seams to be really pushing for a turn around for the company. I mean a few months, even yeas back we saw tehf rist turn arounds form MS and "promises" but it looks like these things are actally comming together. I hope MS is going to continue these good moves, since I dont think hatred of MS (and the fact they do things to make peole hate them) gets our world anywhere in IT things

Re:Hmm sounds like a great idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572313)

English, motherfucker! Do you speak it?

sounds more like a way to enforce IP (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572077)

just another fascist attempt to sugercoat blantantly snooping for small copyright violations to rape the small guy in court.

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Re:I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (0, Offtopic)

vettemph (540399) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572174)

So. WTFIT? Is it some reverse psychology to cause us to ban anonomous remailer and other useful tools? The only "crapflood" i've seen today was from Anonymous Coward. That guy must not sleep, he posts more shit here than anyone else. :)

Re:I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572214)

I bet its an automated program rather then someone with too much spare time on their hands.

I'm available... (4, Funny)

kid_wonder (21480) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572084)

...crawl the seedier side of the web.

I like to call it, "break time"

Similar Story (1)

UnixRawks (705739) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572092)

The Onion has a similar [theonion.com] story regarding monkey delicacies.

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Thu May 19 01:11:57 CEST 2005 [1961]

hehehe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572098)

so it seems like we have to stop attacking their network, so they can;t find our 0.day exploits :-D

Sounds stupid (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572102)

Why are they in various patch states? If you are looking for unknown exploits, the latest patchlevel will be just as useful, and you won't spend your time with millions of false alarms when known exploits get a hold of them.

Re:Sounds stupid (4, Insightful)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572288)

Maybe some of their non-critical patches actually fix an unknown exploitable hole. They might want to change the status of those fixes from optional to critical.

This group also did "ghostbuster" (5, Informative)

nweaver (113078) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572109)

This group has done several impressive projects. Among them is the "Strider Ghostbuster" Rootkit Detector [microsoft.com] .

This is part of the general Strider Project [microsoft.com] in Microsoft Research. They do very good work.

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Thu May 19 01:14:39 CEST 2005 [2491]

I'M AN OPEN PROXY, BAN ME! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572124)

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Thu May 19 01:14:40 CEST 2005 [8128]

well duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572138)

Sounds like a decent idea from the Redmond crew to me.

A thousand monkeys stealing millions of ideas are bound to find a good one.

I say (4, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572157)

Put these honemonkeys on a network with a bunch of other computers running Firefox/greasemonkey, and let them fight it out.

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So your saying... (4, Funny)

denissmith (31123) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572180)

A roomful of monkeys wrote Windows XP? OK, I'll buy that.

Spank the honey monkey (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572188)

Hmm. I've eaten honey. I've spanked the monkey. I've never contemplated doing both at once.

** aycee eyes the honey bear **

Exploits on real vs. virtual XP boxen (2, Interesting)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572190)

Virtual boxen will catch a wide array of exploits, but may miss some. For example, it sounds like they look for attempts to create executables on disk, so a RAM resident nasty might escape notice. Also, some exploits many only work on "real" machines such as those proposed for exploiting hyperthreading [slashdot.org] .

The point is that to the extent that the virtual XP box fails to emulate ALL the features of real hardware, there will be some room for doubt. Despite this misgiving, I commend Microsoft for tackling this problem.

Innovation from Redmond? (1)

maniac/dev/null (170211) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572204)

I never thought I'd see the day Microsoft actually did something smart... but the cynic in me can't help but think they'll use this as a way to find all the warez'd Windows Serial Numbers to set up a blacklist at Windows Update.

Holy Shit a new worm propagation tool (1)

namedcowards (885087) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572208)

Now it would be possible for the worm writers to just target Microsoft honeymonkey crawler to fire up the internet.

So what else is new (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572217)

I thought AOL patented this years ago.

Re:So what else is new (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572340)

Ah, but haven't you heard? Microsoft have just patented e-mail addressess. Next will be the internet...

why various patch states? (0, Redundant)

v1 (525388) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572218)


It would seem like a futile thing to try to study older versions of your product - why aren't they just focusing on the most up-to-date patched versions of their various products? Anyone running an unpatched windows box is insane...

Think about the possibilities. (1)

khasim (1285) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572360)

You could find an exploit that was fixed by a patch you already issued that wasn't applied ...

and then you could issue a new patch to fix that exploit.

I'm sure people who didn't apply the first patch would be happy to apply the second patch. Really. I'm sure they'd be happy to.

this news is BIG (5, Funny)

muszek (882567) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572227)

Pre-Monkey Era:
-- someone exploits a vulnerability
-- 2 weeks later someone discovers it
-- half a year later M$ patches it
-- three years later new version of Windows is released and finally the last 80% of users have patched systems.

it took 3 years, 6 months and 2 weeks to patch most computers.
Post-Monkey Era:
-- someone exploits a vulnerability
-- 2 days later monkeys report it
-- half a year later M$ patches it
-- three years later new version of Windows is released and finally the last 80% of users have patched systems.

it took 3 years 6 months and 2 days to patch most computers.

nice PR move though.

Re:this news is BIG (1)

muszek (882567) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572358)

sorry in advance for writing this...

I don't feel very confident about my English, so in case you didn't get my point: "to me time needed to find an vulnerability is just a tiny % of the total time needed to patch most people's OS (most people don't update, M$ doesn't issue patches very quickly, etc.)"

Color me impressed. (1)

Vertdang (822271) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572230)

If it works the way they intend, this should VASTLY improve security/spywarehandling in the OS. golf clap? golf clap.

They are Building Security Rep (1, Interesting)

mpapet (761907) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572239)

This the kind of BS that they will use to claim "PronHorn is more secure!!!" The reality of this would go something like:

1. Set up weak boxes
2. Send them to questionable sites.
3. Watch them get infected.
4. Figure out how they got infected.
5. Report how they got infected.

Then
A. Do nothing, there's "no budget" to fix the problems. (very likely)
B. Modify the code -just- enough to get rid of the worst offenders. (least likely)
C. Charge the end-user a subscription to "protect" them from threats found in their research with another enterprise software package. (my choice as most likely)

In the end Microsoft says, "We've committed billions to increased security in pronhorn. It's more usable and real secure and "just works." Apply more anti-competitive practices liberally and maintain monopoly.

What bugs me the most is it will sound like it's true and kill Linux adoption. But the security patches will just keep coming.

how much thought went into this? (5, Insightful)

ChipMonk (711367) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572242)

Two simple questions:

1. Are these machines using non-Microsoft IP addresses for their 'net access?

2. If not, how long until the worm authors take that into account?

Re:how much thought went into this? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572343)

That is actually the main part of the plan -- it was the only way they could think of to protect the Microsoft addresses from being overwhelmed with spyware and viruses and worms and the like.

Maybe a lot of thought (1, Interesting)

JoeBuck (7947) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572345)

Suppose Microsoft wanted to come up with a way to get the bad guys to avoid attacking Microsoft. Maybe they could spread the word that a significant range of IP space is honeypots and honeymonkeys and lions and tigers and bears, so then all the kiddies go off and attack someone else.

waiiiiit a second... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572249)

Hasn't M$ been telling us that security vulnerabilities only happen because of "irresponsible disclosure" and because they release patches that get reverse engineered... Looks like they don't believe that bullshit any more than I do

Seedier? (1)

chucks86 (799149) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572252)

I wonder if the ??AA is involved in all of this... Who is responsible for all of the illegal data that will inevitably end up on these computers...

Can you imagine one/several of these computers gets compromised and ends up an xdcc server on one of the "seedier" irc channels?

Seedier Side of Web... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572273)

I wonder how Microsoft defines the "seedier" side of the web, and how the sites the various computers visit are regulated.

It would be interesting to run the same test, but equipping half of the machines with an alternative browser.

"if ($body_maintext[$n] =~ /ActiveX|Microsoft\sVM/) {
$seedy_side_of_web=1;
}
"

Great now just report back in 3 months (1)

TLouden (677335) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572280)

Seriously. How many 'great' ideas come out of some over paid monkey's ass each day. It's nice to know about new ideas but what's really nice is to hear about the ones that last a few months and aren't just a marketing ploy.

illegal?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572284)

as i recall, werent honeypots dubbed illegal, because they were a wiretap of sorts? i know its a good thing m$ is doing for once, but if its illegal how will m$ get out of the lawsuits from the 'hackers', and virus creaters. 2 wrongs do not make a right, and the courts usually uphold that.

Honeymonkey Blacklist (4, Informative)

kjfitz (256432) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572292)

Seems like the simple counter measure is a "blacklist" of the honeymonkey servers. Granted the IP addresses of these PCs should be secure but A LOT of info leaks / is stolen / is hacked / is accidentally exposed.

I can just picture it... (1)

the-stringbean (884738) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572305)

I can just picture future Slashdot articles on this:
Newsflash: Microsoft becomes number 1 spam centre after a new worm infiltrates the "Honeymonkey" network, unleashing havoc upon the web
Jokes aside I think that Microsoft are on to something good here and it's nice to see them being more proactive about Windows security.

Honeypots, Honeymonkeys... (1)

uchi (534979) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572316)

Geez...What is next? Honeybees?

Disappointing story (4, Funny)

aslate (675607) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572326)

I thought this article was going to say "So they've hired an entire team of moneys to get them to write the next Windows". Infact it's just a load of machines doing nothing. I prefered my idea, much more chance of shit-fights between the moneys.

With apologys to Scissor Sisters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12572329)

Honeymonkey why you lookin' at me?
Honeymonkey why don't you climb that tree?
Hairy people love the Honeymonkey dance
Hairy people love the Honeymonkey dance dance

No! More!
Honeymonkey's havin' fun
No! More!
Honeymonkey's on the run

Bananas don't grow in the Louisiana swamps
So the Honeymonkey's comin' to the monkey baby funk

Honeymonkey's bangin' at my door
Honeymonkey's got me on the floor
Honeymonkey's tryin' havin' fun
Honeymonkey's still the only one

I'm pretty tolerant of misspellings... (0, Offtopic)

urdine (775754) | more than 9 years ago | (#12572330)

But spelling "being" wrong twice in a paragraph is a little much.
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