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Completing BitTorrent Decentralization

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the and-for-your-next-project dept.

Networking 236

Njaal writes "With BitTorrent going trackerless, searching for and distributing .torrent files is a natural next step. The Socialized.Net (TSN) is a pure P2P search infrastructure which facilitates P2P searching and distribution of .torrent files. It comes complete with an Azureus (and Firefox) search plugin. TSN is written in Python and is made available under the GPL. Note that this is part of my PhD thesis, and is as such meant as a technology demonstrator."

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viva la bittorrent (1)

bigdumbyak (153742) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599587)

yay for eveolution. a great product getting better is alwways good news.

Re:viva la bittorrent (1)

bigdumbyak (153742) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599602)

My god, my typing is horrible. I apologize.

Re:viva la bittorrent (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599630)

yay for eveolution. a great product getting better is alwways good news.

This is not an example of evolution but rather of Intelligent Design. An intelligence is required to implement the irreducibly complex decentralization.

Re:viva la bittorrent (2, Interesting)

name773 (696972) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599799)

as funny as that is, if you think about it, the program was intelligently designed. perhaps improve is a better word in this case than evolve

Re:viva la bittorrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599822)

is required to implement the irreducibly complex decentralization

Next you are going to suggest there are these things called atoms which cannot be broken.

Nice (0)

Michael_Ayoub (885824) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599592)

I'm interested as to where this will go.

Meaning of the disclaimer (5, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599599)

Note that this is part of my PhD thesis, and is as such ment as a technology demonstrator

really means:

Pleassseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee don't sue my ass.

Re:Meaning of the disclaimer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599702)

No, it really means it doesn't work.

Re:Meaning of the disclaimer (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599719)

I thought it ment, er, meant he didn't use a spell checker.

Defining feature of P2P (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599830)

It is worth noting that every P2P software distributor sued by the RIAA has used built-in searching. Built-in searching is really the big thing that separates the internet from what people commonly call peer-to-peer networks (even though the internet is itself a P2P network).

With the conventional internet, you were stuck using a centralized search engine which is easy to censor. To censor a network with built-in searching, you have to censor the whole network.

Celebrating the freedom to steal (-1, Troll)

vlad_petric (94134) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599606)

Sorry, I can't call it anything else, even if it's a PhD thesis. Sure, you can argue that copyright infringement is not theft, but then don't call people who abuse GPL software "thieves".

Where did that come from? (5, Informative)

Lifewish (724999) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599631)

Since when does P2P == stealing? Some people use it for copyright infringement, yes, but I regularly use it for downloading linux isos and legal media (Art of the Saber rocks).

All this means for me is that I can avoid doing too much damage to the hosting servers, which can only be a good thing for underfunded open source projects and the like.

P2P is not (1, Insightful)

vlad_petric (94134) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599645)

But the whole point of trackerless P2P is. For legitimate P2P (e.g. downloading FC) you don't need all this.

Re:P2P is not (4, Insightful)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599677)

No, trackerless BitTorrent is legitimate too, because it allows people without the resources to run a tracker upload torrents.

MOD PARENT UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599787)

Damn straight.

Re:P2P is not (1)

Ian Action (836876) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599682)

Well, it's a lot easier to just make a .torrent file than a tracker as well.

Let's say I make a small video program ala Pure Pwnage, and wish to distribute it. If all I have is some crappy geocities site or something, and my video series is mildly popular, a trackerless torrent may be just what the doctor ordered.

Re:P2P is not (2, Interesting)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599693)

You do , honestly . Trackers and torrent files , whilst small are still a drain on bandwidth that need not exist .
Many sites and young projects /distros just dont have the money to support a server , or they do have the money and could better use it in other areas.
It may not seem like much cost to distribute a 50KB file but if you get popular it can add up , then you have alot of other overheads .Removing the necesity for those overheads Removes alot of burdon from the server.

Re:P2P is not (1)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599733)

Also (to reply to myself as i forget to add something , one of those days i guess) , Think of the massive redundancy you gain .
Even if you have a behemoth of a server(or several) things go down ocassionaly(be it the server , the power to the server , he conection etc) , The redundancy this awards you is unmatched . Several thousand people hosting a link to the cotent which is hosted by several thousand people over several thousand computers .
That is the future of file distribution and its a something that is unfeasable otherwise

Re:P2P is not (1)

OneDeeTenTee (780300) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599717)

Eh, trackerless P2P won't aid IP theft much. Copyright owners can still track down the folks sharing stuff and shut them down.

The thing that would really blow the lid off would be an anonymous, fast, and simple to use P2P system.

Tradeoffs (0, Flamebait)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599766)

Eh, trackerless P2P won't aid IP theft much.

"IP theft"? How can you "steal" an IPv4 address? Do you mean "source address spoofing"? If you mean "copyright infringement, patent infringement, trademark infringement, trade secret infringement, or right of publicity infringement", then please be more specific [gnu.org] .

The thing that would really blow the lid off would be an anonymous, fast, and simple to use P2P system.

There are tradeoffs in any engineering problem. Good, fast, and cheap: pick two.

Re:Tradeoffs (1)

OneDeeTenTee (780300) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599875)

IP = Intellectual Property

And yes, while there is a tradeoff between anonymity and speed a reasonable level of both should be possible. A simple to use interface can be created independantly of the other two factors.

Re:P2P is not (2, Insightful)

Joe Random (777564) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599774)

For legitimate P2P (e.g. downloading FC) you don't need all this.
Trackerless BitTorrent allows you to download legitimate free content even if the distributor's tracker happens to go down (for instance, when someone posts a link to the tracker on slashdot, and their server spontaneously combusts). Sure, you don't need trackerless BT, but then again, you don't need BT at all.

The bottom line is that adding a distributed tracker both offloads even more bandwidth from the servers -- which is the whole point of using BitTorrent in the first place -- as well as eliminates the system's main weakness (e.g. removing content, legitimate or otherwise, from distribution by taking down a single computer).

Re:P2P is not (1)

metlin (258108) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599804)

What crap.

Apart from what mrchaotica pointed out, I'll add one more point - privacy.

If I want to distribute something without being found out, it's my choice.

Wow, folks like you are the reason RIAA and MPAA think any new technology will only be used for unlawful purposes.

I might want to put up legitimate stuff without people knowing it - just because I seek that privacy doesn't mean you shouldn't respect the need for it.

Re:Where did that come from? (1)

Cereal Box (4286) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599707)

Since when does P2P == stealing? Some people use it for copyright infringement, yes, but I regularly use it for downloading linux isos and legal media (Art of the Saber rocks).

Sure, P2P is not inherently illegal, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think that P2P is mostly used to facilitate copyright infringement. And, as another poster pointed out, why go to these great lengths to create complicated, decentralized, and massively encrypted P2P mechanisms if what you're sharing isn't illegal?

All this means for me is that I can avoid doing too much damage to the hosting servers, which can only be a good thing for underfunded open source projects and the like.

Ever heard of Sourceforge?

Re:Where did that come from? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599747)

And, as another poster pointed out, why go to these great lengths to create complicated, decentralized, and massively encrypted P2P mechanisms if what you're sharing isn't illegal?

Because there exist works that do not infringe copyright but do violate other laws, such as anything related to Falun Dafa (under the law of the People's Republic of China) or anything related to MP3 encoding (under the law of countries that recognize software patents). And even in the case of works whose distribution is unquestionably lawful, decentralization also takes load off the publisher's servers.

Re:Where did that come from? (2, Informative)

DrDribble (859883) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599937)

The Socialized.Net does not provide any privacy or encryption. What it does provide is a decentralized way to spread and search for .torrent files. This means that when you search for a resource, your computer ask it's friends for them. This is just like you might do when you want an opinon on a used car. You can call a friend who has a similar car, someone who has had cars of the same brand or someone you know that works in a garage.

It scales wonderfully in the real world, and in theory is now also made available in the digital one. :-) Dr.

Re:Where did that come from? (1)

MoogMan (442253) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599773)

All this means for me is that I can avoid doing too much damage to the hosting servers, which can only be a good thing for underfunded open source projects and the like.

So how do you expect to authenticate the linuxkernel2-6-12.tar.bz.torrent you come across then ?

Re:Where did that come from? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599893)

You download the .torrent from a central location. Hopefully the .torrent will even be signed. The .torrent contains a SHA1 hash of the data. Ergo, you do NOT need to trust any of the nodes that are sending you data, just the .torrent (ignoring the fact that SHA1 is broken).

Re:Where did that come from? (1)

DrDribble (859883) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599958)

The idea behind TSN is that you request resources from computers you know and like. This means that if your sysadmin provides the linux kernel, you might think that it is the real one.

If this does not provide enough security, you can of course bypass the system and get the .torrent file or a checksum of the file from some other (trusted) source.

Dr.

Re:Celebrating the freedom to steal (4, Insightful)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599655)

Its a technoligy designed to facilitate in the distribution of media , if you choose to abuse it then thats your fault .
Many people do use the technoligy to distribute copyrighted materials , many others use it to distribute GPL software and linux distros (which is how i get all my distros , via bittorent)
Having a system like this decentralises the network further , which is a brilliant thing as bandwidth is expensive , this will take the load off many networks if it picks up.
Celebrating the freedom to share is more apt , what you share is up to you (and any consiquences there of).

Re:Celebrating the freedom to steal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599672)

C'mon, you know having a Xerox machine in a library is just askin' for some heavy-duty intellectual property theft. They should probably confiscate pencils and paper at the door, too.

Re:Celebrating the freedom to steal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599684)

As I'm sure it's been said before, BitTorrent has many legitimate uses as well as P2P in general. It's all in how it is used. Just because a tool can be used wrongly, doesn't mean the tool is bad. This world has become so litigious that authors of software now have to be concerned with whether they will be sued when publishing their works.

And yes, copyright infringement is a form of theft.

Re:Celebrating the freedom to steal (1, Flamebait)

Travelsonic (870859) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599854)

And yes, copyright infringement is a form of theft.

This is not only legally inaccurate, but also an oxymoron. No copyright infringement is not a form of theft, it is a form of unauthorized distribution, copying. Not taking away property of any sort, or if that is not what meet what your definition is, what is it?P

Re:Celebrating the freedom to steal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599704)

Property is theft. (Sorry I can't call it anything else.) "Intellectual property" is not only theft, buts it's slavery as well.

Re:Celebrating the freedom to steal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599738)

Property is theft. (Sorry I can't call it anything else.)

If you'd learn some synonyms, you could call it acreage, acres, assets, belongings, buildings, capital, chattels, claim, dominion, effects, equity, estate, farm, freehold, goods, holdings, home, house, inheritance, land, means, ownership, plot, possessorship, premises, proprietary, proprietorship, real estate, realty, resources, riches, substance, title, tract, wealth, and worth.

Re:Celebrating the freedom to steal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599795)

If you'd learn some synonyms, you could call it acreage, acres, assets,...

That's only true if connotations are unimportant. For me, nothing quite carries the "punch" of the word "theft." YMMV

Re:Celebrating the freedom to steal (3, Informative)

a whoabot (706122) | more than 9 years ago | (#12600017)

"If you'd learn some synonyms..."

Or, instead of learning, he could call it those by copying and pasting straight from reference.com [reference.com] like you did?

Re:Celebrating the freedom to steal (2, Informative)

Travelsonic (870859) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599911)

Sorry, I can't call it anything else, even if it's a PhD thesis.

So what you are saying is celebrating any form of advancement of file-sharing technologies == "encourageing theft" (or since what we are arguing over involves copying, copyright infringement? Did I read this correctly, or not, and if not, please clear things up.


Sure, you can argue that copyright infringement is not theft...

Argue? It has been clearly been legally established in 1985, and several times in the past decade that copyright infringement, as illegal as it is, is copyright infringement and nothing else. Philosophically it has also been argued against calling copyright infringement anything other than that as well, but that I will leave to open interpretation.


]
...but then don't call people who abuse GPL software "thieves".

People who do lable GPL violators "theives" when also making the statement that copyright infringement is not theft in other posts, well, they are hypocrites.


Re:Celebrating the freedom to steal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12600071)

GPL violaters aren't commiting copyright infringement, they are violating the terms of a licensing agreement.

Unstoppable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599610)

This is going to make the MPAA and RIAA angry. No longer will they be able to shutdown whole torrent sites like they did with Lokitorrent and suprnova. This type of network would be almost impossible to control.

Re:Unstoppable? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599698)

This is going to make the MPAA and RIAA angry.

I bet in retaliation, they'll put out crappy music and movies.

Oh, wait...

Re:Unstoppable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599953)

> I bet in retaliation, they'll put out crappy music
> and movies.

That's just half of it. They'll put out crappy music and movies, then blame P2P because they aren't selling as much.

Re:Unstoppable? (3, Insightful)

nedder (690308) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599736)

At some point they're just going to request that the internet be

1) handed over to them

2) shutdown completely

3) taxed at 95% for any useage (no matter how irrelevant to music/movies)

Re:Unstoppable? (0, Troll)

xunling (743216) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599796)

yessss dude - all chunks should be encrypted in a way that riaa detect 99,9% linux ditribution files, handled via bt id like to see a protocoll that supports gaplosing-three-pont-streaming. what i mean is, that i wantto uload a movieclip to my webDAV archive on my webserver. tha clip has a datarate of 720kb/s. Now i start the upload with 1000kb/s, the file can be seen in the folder on server, my friends recognize (*ah, new stuff*), start dl-ing with same rate and voilá, they can see the monvie instantly, copy it on the harddisk and love it too see, not waiting several hours. is this networkstandard, crazy nuub rughneck-"GEDOEÖÖNSE" or what? with mp3 it sometimes works, i dont know why i should get always the whole files :-/ :bueeeh: slsk also supports this function, but only for 2-point-gap-closing-media-geek-nerd-phun-action, not with an server centralized as the lvl 12 gap ...um, i think ill gonna have a coffey now - anyone else one?, and does anybody know a "hard-drive-imaging (backup) software" written in java, maybe open source? i only found some appz in C, yo - thanky

Re:Unstoppable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12600088)

My goodness..whats are you talking about? really, i dont understand.
Quit smoking whatever it is...its bad for you.

Re:Unstoppable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599812)

1) handed over to them 2) shutdown completely 3) taxed

You know, its a good thing some of us realy know about how things work. If they want "the internet" let them have it, and let us start anew. No association or government or else should ever let to "own" "the internet". We'd better tell this to some US entities also.

tried the search.. (0, Redundant)

caino59 (313096) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599614)

and get a connection refused...

anyone else having this prob from the firefox plugin?

Re:tried the search.. (4, Informative)

fimbulvetr (598306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599638)

Looks like it tries to connect to localhost:8002, seems you need to install the daemon too:)

Define:ment (-1, Offtopic)

jea6 (117959) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599615)

Definitions of ment on the Web:

  • (Hebrew, kapparah). In Judaism: Reconciliation with God. According to Jewish belief, human sin damages the relationship with God and only the process of atonement can restore it. According to biblical teaching, sacrifice was the outer form of atonement (Leviticus 5), provided human beings also purified themselves spiritually (eg Isaiah I. 11-17). In Christianity: In Christian theology, atonement is the reconciliation ('at-one-ment') of men and women to God through the death of Christ. The word was introduced by W. Tyndale in 1526, to translate reconciliatio'. The need for such reconciliation is already apparent in the Old Testament: in
    www.bloomington.in.us/~okolicko/definitions.ht ml

  • The amount the insured pays in addition to the deductible of any judgment or settlement. This co-payment is usually a percentage of the loss and can apply differently depending upon the type of coverage involved.
    www.naplia.com/Naplia/glossary.htm



http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=active &c2coff=1&q=define%3Ament [google.com]

Re:Define:ment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599694)

Nobody likes a spelling Nazi.

Re:Define:ment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599838)

Not everyone. If the author went away and s/ment/meant/ his whole thesis he might have gained an extra page or two with almost no effort.

clearly, this is positive (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599619)

Though the author is just a student, this is positive. I also applaud his consideration for Firefox first. What will it take for him to consider "the other" browser? Next, let me look for a torrent of the other newly released movie. I guess slashdotters know it.

Re:"the other" browser (4, Funny)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599663)

What, you mean Konqueror?

Re:"the other" browser (1)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599781)

As soon as I can download the (very slashdotted) engine, I'll post a Konqueror Web Shortcut.

Then you can just use links like tsn:sith.

--
Evan

Re:"the other" browser (1)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599865)

The Web Shortcut link is:

http://localhost:8002/LeChuck/addquery?sourceid=Ko nqueror&Operation=Add&submit=Search&Timeout=5.0&Ke ywords= [localhost] \{@}&Expires=15&scope=Global

Remove any spaces that Slashdot added, and go to settings:/Network/WebBrowsing/ebrowsing and add it. I suggest using tsn as the shortcut.

You can then use tsn:Good Eats style urls anywhere you want.

--
Evan

Re:clearly, this is positive (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599671)

What will it take for him to consider "the other" browser?

Yeah, Opera users want their torrents too!

Re:clearly, this is positive (4, Interesting)

johansalk (818687) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599697)

"Just a student"?... The guy is doing a PhD; many programmers have not even been in college.

Re:clearly, this is positive (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599718)

Just call him Doctor Warez.

Mod submitter up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599714)

I think it's high time that K-Meleon got more attention.

Re:clearly, this is positive (1)

DrDribble (859883) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599805)

The daemon (which imports bookmarks) also support Internet Explorer out of the box. Also it is likely a matter of minutes to make it work with mozilla. The search plugin is Firefox only, but it only integrates the web interface of the daemon. All browsers can perfectly well use the web interface of the daemon (at http://localhost:8002/LeChuck/ [localhost] ). Dr.

Re:clearly, this is positive (1)

xunling (743216) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599835)

oouuuuh????? correct the link dead, ill comsensfromhell umm --- waitin, ill retype the currormessage to ixplain all thinks in more details stuph to you ok?

Re:clearly, this is positive (1)

xunling (743216) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599850)

it says, the page fouded can not be shown *hate comutexs* *i love printers* *hail printers, hail to the nail*

So where is the Starwars ROTS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599624)

Come on bring it over ....

is it just me... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599637)

Is it just me, or is General Grievous a moron?

Re:is it just me... (0, Offtopic)

nurhussein (864532) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599669)

Is it just me, or is General Grievous a moron?

General Grievous is an overrated mediocrity, just like Boba Fett.

Re:is it just me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599919)

Sounded like Borat...kept waiting for a national anthem and stories about his dead wife

I tried it, and it said... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599649)

"The file isn't a valid Azureus plugin."

Re:I tried it, and it said... (1)

qube99 (652571) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599791)

Same here. Missing something here?

Re:I tried it, and it said... (0, Offtopic)

waTR (885837) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599847)

Yeah your missing something alright... RTFM! HowTO install for FIREFOX: 1. Download http://www.socialized.net/files/WindowsInstaller.z ip [socialized.net] Then run it and install all the things it asks you to. 2. Go down to firefox search area at http://www.socialized.net/files.html [socialized.net] and click on Installation is done by opening [this link] from the Firefox web browser. 3. Top right, press on the list of search tools, select the purplish circle things and do a search. 4. JOIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD!

Re:I tried it, and it said... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599989)

Of course, if you read the parent post you'd have noticed it said "Azureus" and not "Firefox."

Not good (0, Troll)

jmazzi (869663) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599650)

This kid is just askin for trouble.

woowoo (1)

j3richo (674251) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599652)

go Python!!

Choice of Language is Questionable (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599657)

If you're a grown-up you should've used a real language like Lisp to write this thing in, instead of Python.

Wake me up when Python isn't whitespace delimited and decides whether it wants to be a Lisp clone without the beneficial syntax and without the power or a non-Lisp with half of the features of Lisp implemented wrongly.

Re:Choice of Language is Questionable (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599690)

If you're a grown-up you should've used a real language like Lisp to write this thing in, instead of Python.

Nah, if they want a real language they should use Lojban, or if they are really old school, Esperanto.

Bit Torrent was never designed to be an 'undernet' (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599661)

If you can share a binary file with N people, then you raise the risk of being detected by by the **AA a factor of N as well.

Possibility of mainline integration? (4, Insightful)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599667)

If this technology works as advertised (and obviously that has yet to be seen) it will only really work by the kind of mass adoption created by inclusion in the standard bittorrent clients. This is how the Azureus distributed database has worked out so well, because of the existing userbase being rolled over seamlessly to its inclusion by default.

If Azureus or other clients decided to include functionality like this, it would effectively leave programs like eXeem dead in the water and provide BitTorrent users with a closed 'single-stop' solution for finding and downloading files.

400%Growth in nodes (2, Interesting)

jzono1 (772920) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599676)

400%Growth in nodes known, went from 4 to 18, wonder how many there is i n a hour :) Too bad one has to reboot az/ff to use the plugins tho

Has become like ed2k (2, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599685)

Now that BT has decentralized tracker and decentralized search, it appears that the only remaining advantages over ed2k (e.g. eMule) are the tit-for-tat algorithm and smaller complete block size before one can begin uploading (256 KB for BT vs. 9500 KB for ed2k).

Re:Has become like ed2k (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599783)

ed2k isn't decentralized. Kad is, but ed2k uses centralized servers. This means that eMule supports decentralized transfers, but that basically no other edonkey client does.

Further ed2k clients do favor sources that provide them with more data when downloading.

Re:Has become like ed2k (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599849)

Excuse me, are you saying this makes BT worse than it was?
This does not actually change anything about BT, it is just a way to find and distribute the .torrent files as far as I understand it.
You could say it is a decentraliced, searchable P2P network like overnet that only distributes .torrent files, so it just adds another layer to the network that can be seen as completely seperate network in case you like that better.
Anyway, I hope he included some way to rate files too.

To try it out (1)

jzono1 (772920) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599700)

To try it out search for superpi, let's flood this thing with CPU bench screenies :) :)

thats the kind of Phd thesis I like... (4, Funny)

Stalyn (662) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599725)

one which helps me download pr0n faster.

What is BitTorrent now? (4, Interesting)

iammaxus (683241) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599734)

Trackerless torrents and search technologies like this seems to be changing BitTorrent into a conventional p2p system. Can anyone explain the diffrence? Is it just a regular p2p system with a highly efficient segmented downloading system?

Re:What is BitTorrent now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599765)

It's a regular p2p system with bittorrent's fair tit-for-tat economics. Much better than ed2k's, for instance.

Re:What is BitTorrent now? (2, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599810)

The difference in this case being all that trackless stuff for BT is optional. You can still run a tracker, and provide the .torrent file on your Web server.

Re:What is BitTorrent now? (1)

DrDribble (859883) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599892)

This search system is based on semantic routing. Basically, your computer gets to know other computers, becoming friends with those with similar interests and agendas.

It should provide a highly efficient and scalable system in which quality of search results can be kept high. With most other P2P networks, searches are performed against ALL resources, which makes it very difficult to rate resources. BitTorrent has managed quite well due to torrents being shared by the owners, or specialized sites that can have a certain control of the quality of resouces.

Dr.

Meta data search? (2, Interesting)

bobbuck (675253) | more than 9 years ago | (#12600084)

Do any of these P2P systems allow a better description of the shared resource than the filename? It would be great if there was a description file or database for the shared resources. That way you could search for certain filetypes, versions, sources, licenses, etc. and be able to get a real description of the file before you download. If P2P grows beyond mp3's this will quickly become a nessecity.

P2P could even replace things like classified ads or directories. Share a picture of your car with tags set appropriately and anybody can search for it.

www.socialized.net (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599741)

The webpage fails the "google test" of providing a search box on an uncluttered mainpage.

P2P != Stealing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599777)

Why is it so difficult for people to understand that P2P is NOT stealing. There are a lot of legitimate uses. Like downloading Linux ISOs and....some (just a little bit) porn

Google? (0)

flakier (177415) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599792)

One day, maybe browsers will have BT clients built in by default so that BT will be available to the masses of sheep.

Given that, how long could it be before google has a specialized .torrent search?

Already there! (3, Informative)

kebes (861706) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599894)

On google, do a search like:
"whatever filetype:torrent"

and you'll get links to torrents. Of course, a torrent-specific search could be more optimized than that, but even this often gets you what you want.

Re:Google? (1)

Bill Walker (835082) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599896)

Given that, how long could it be before google has a specialized .torrent search?

You mean like if you put this into Google:

"Sith" filetype:torrent

?

Re:Google? (0)

Doctor Ian (452190) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599913)

What, like "filetype:torrent" ?

Azureus install (2, Interesting)

Kahless2k (799262) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599826)

Anyone else having trouble installing the azureus install?

Kahless2k

Re:Azureus install (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599968)

Yes. I just installed it the manual way..

Move the .jar file to
C:\Program Files\Azureus\Plugins\torrentsearch

Restart AZ.

Done.

Mod story Redundancy ! (1)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12599827)

Ok bad pun i know ..
this gives us a redundancy Admins can only dream of in other areas.
The fact that you can have your files spread over a massive number of computers spread across the world is the way of future file distribution. The load changes from a constant one on your server to a one off (well perhaps one day) of uploading it , then as soon as you know it the file propigates itself across the p2p network allowing for speeds unatainable in the classic server-client model which is still prevelant .
The bandwidth saving is amazing compared to even the torrent/tracker system (which already shaved a hell of alot of bandwith use).
Way to go , this is the eveloution that has been needed for years , Arguments for the facilitation of copyright infringing material asside (which has hapend on every file distribution system since the Tape , )

phd?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599833)

wow, this is a pretty weak PhD thesis!

Re:phd?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12599868)

This is *part* of his Ph.D. Maybe his next chapter contains a proof that P!=NP.

Use an existing network... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12600060)

G2/Gnutella.

This will kill Bittorrent (2, Interesting)

herve661 (885842) | more than 9 years ago | (#12600083)

Ever wondered why is bittorrent faster than other P2P networks like eDonkey or overnet? This is because there is no built-in decentralized search engine. Users have to download one of the files that are available to them, and consequently more people download the same file at a certain time. The result is that you get the files faster.
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