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Nokia's Linux Handheld

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the gadgets-i-want dept.

Handhelds 320

Nils Faerber writes "Today Nokia announced the introduction of the Nokia 770 Internet Tablet device along with the Open Source based Maemo Development Platform. With this new product Nokia enters several new worlds all at once. A new concept for the use of a handheld device, a new fully visible open source based development process and the explicit use of open source software in a commercial grade product. The typical use case for the Nokia 770 is to be the internet usability extension to your mobile phone or other wireless internet access equipment. It is extremely portable by its small formfactor, usable for almost all internet applications thorugh its exceptional resolution of 800x480 pixel and its multimedia capabilities by making use of a TI-OMAP CPU and a accompanying digital signal processor (DSP) core. The consequent use of open source software and technology basing on the Linux kernel 2.6, X11-server technology and the GTK+ toolkit the resulting new Hildon graphical user interface creates a fully new user interface experience for portable Linux devices."

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NKH (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633601)

NLH, actually. 20 seconds, my fool

The nokia Internet tablet (5, Funny)

the_xaqster (877576) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633618)

Take 2 and call me in the morning....

I can't swallow that! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633936)


Well then good news! It's a suppository!

Good (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633619)

If this gets popular, and as presumably the interface will be similar to all other Nokia products, people will realise that Linux is not necessarily hard to use.

Re:Good (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633716)

Actually, they probably won't realize it has anything to do with Linux at all.

In any case, a wildly cut-down version of a Linux desktop has nothing to do with "Linux usability" in the usual sense, any more than a Linux- or Windows-based ATM says anything about the usability of the parent OS.

Re:Good (4, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633820)

people will realise that Linux is not necessarily hard to use.

If by "people" you mean the general non-computer-geek population, then I really don't think they care what OS the unit is running. Tivo is easy to use and runs on Linux. Archos media players are easy to use... The list continues.

Linux *can* be difficult to use, especially as a home OS. UIs that lay over the kernel and OS don't have to be.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12634035)

Archos media players are worthless junk and have about the worst UI I've ever seen - they make Windows seem elegant.

And then be disappointed (1)

sjf (3790) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633903)

my Nokia trinitron monitor's interface sucks. My Nokia cellphone's interface is fine, but nothing to be excited about. But then none of these devices run Linux. My Tivo has a pretty good interface for what it does, and that IS running on Linux, but I would caution anyone from concluding that since the TiVo is easy to use Linux is easy to use.

Linux is free and customizable: companies with good designers and UI engineers can put good interfaces on top of it.

Re:Good (3, Informative)

CortoMaltese (828267) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633911)

The FAQ [] confirms that "the user interface has its roots in the smartphone Series 90 user interface."

Left-handed model? (5, Interesting)

oni (41625) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633626)

I doubt there will be a left-handed model. Pretty much every PDA or device like this one has buttons on the left side, which I can't use because I'm holding the device with my right hand because I need to write on it with my left hand.

Oh well, sucks to be me I guess.

Re:Left-handed model? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633648)

Maybe there'll be software to turn the display upside down and reverse the controls...

Re:Left-handed model? (1)

Markus Persson (709555) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633673)

You and some 600-700 million other people.

Re:Left-handed model? (2, Funny)

millahtime (710421) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633674)

I doubt there will be a left-handed model. Pretty much every PDA or device like this one has buttons on the left side, which I can't use because I'm holding the device with my right hand because I need to write on it with my left hand.

These companies are obviously pregadous against left handed people. You should sue. This is discrimination. The right handers bringing down the left handers. It's must be a secret plot becuase the of the right handers in positions of power not wanting the left handers to get into their inner circle.

Re:Left-handed model? (3, Insightful)

jintxo (698154) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633803)

... pregadous ...


Re:Left-handed model? (1)

BenBenBen (249969) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633825)


Re:Left-handed model? (2, Informative)

beardz (790974) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633872)

Prejudiced, even :)

Re:Left-handed model? (1)

BenBenBen (249969) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633913)

[annoyed grunt]

Re:Left-handed model? (1, Funny)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633886)

It's must be a secret plot becuase the of the right handers in positions of power

Are you kidding? The president of the USA has TWO left hands! Just watch him next time he tries to operate an umbrella...

Re:Left-handed model? (2, Insightful)

Soko (17987) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633695)

Well, it is Open Source, so some enterprising leftie will write a screen/button flipper for the thing - you'll just need to learn how to use the buttons upside down (left arrow will change to right via software, but the pad will be at the bottom, not the top).


Re:Left-handed model? (1)

OldeTimeGeek (725417) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633946)

The problem isn't with the soft buttons, but the hard ones. Rotating the screen programmatically is quite easy, but you're going to have problems with the external switches and buttons unless you place similar buttons on the opposite side or corner.

I have a tablet pc. All I can say is that it's a good thing that I'm not left-handed like the two generations before me, 'cause the scroll and all the hard buttons would be real hard to use.

Re:Left-handed model? (1)

uradu (10768) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633697)

In one of the Flash animations it is being passed from the left hand to the right one while flipping it around, seeming to suggest that you can use it upside down as well.

Re:Left-handed model? (1)

Compholio (770966) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633700)

I doubt there will be a left-handed model.

Ummm, it's a tablet - flip it over and tell X11 to rotate the screen 180 degrees.

Re:Left-handed model? (1, Funny)

RockClimbingFool (692426) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633860)

Yes it does. Your mom should have taken the crayon out of your left hand when you were a kid and put it in the right one. It would have saved you years of grief.

No way is my kid going to be left handed.

Re:Left-handed model? (1)

JWW (79176) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633898)

You gotta wonder if you can rotate the display 180 degrees. That way the buttons would end up on the right, albeit in a different arrangement.

you're in luck (4, Insightful)

cahiha (873942) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633965)

It's open source and it's X11 based. That means that RandR probably works on it and you can just rotate the screen 180 degrees.

No ethernet (3, Interesting)

noisymime (816237) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633627)

I know it kind of goes against the whole portability idea, but no ethernet?

Re:No ethernet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633788)

There is no Ogg Vorbis support either. It's a growing file format with a very good quality and I don't understand why they forgot it...

Re:No ethernet (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12634078)

Oh give it a rest.

Forget ethernet, no bluetooth??!!! (0)

Kunta Kinte (323399) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633885)

I know it kind of goes against the whole portability idea, but no ethernet?

This would be the perfect cheap 'terminal' for bluetooth phones with internet but screens that are too small. With a MSRP of $350 I am sure we will be seeing those for $299 very soon, so it's way cheaper than most PDAs.

I agree that the WiFi only decision is a bit disappointing.

Re:Forget ethernet, no bluetooth??!!! (1)

noisymime (816237) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633902)

ummmm it has bluetooth.....

Re:Forget ethernet, no bluetooth??!!! (3, Informative)

tuxnduke (665112) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633925)

What do you mean no bluetooth ?

(Straight from the site:)
* WLAN: 802.11b/g
* Bluetooth specification: 1.2

Mod Grandparent, '-1 Retard' (0, Offtopic)

Kunta Kinte (323399) | more than 9 years ago | (#12634011)

What do you mean no bluetooth ? (Straight from the site:) Connectivity: * WLAN: 802.11b/g * Bluetooth specification: 1.2

...Guess skipping all those reading and comprehension classes in high school wasn't such a good idea after all.

A step in the right direction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633631)

Good move by Nokia

And it will be a HUGE failure... (0, Troll)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633633)

There has been many attempts to make a "webpad" and all of them failed horribly because of one thing common with all of them.

the price was insanely high. $600.00 is way too much for this device. $399.99 is a better price mark but the under $300.00 mark is where it will sell...

Nokia is getting ready to market another failure as it will be overpriced and will have dismal sales because of that fact.

It's $350 (4, Informative)

jolyonr (560227) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633678)

Not sure where you got the price from, but my sources [] say it's going to be $350.


At $350 I'm in! (1)

cloricus (691063) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633782)

I'm guessing that is USD... I paid $600AUD for my iPod which never leaves my right pocket. I cannot live without it. I'm looking at this and thinking this could take its place living in my left pocket as some thing I also wouldn't be able to live without. Looking at the specs and the fact that it is all Linux/FOSS I think it is some thing worth supporting, if it comes in at under $1000AUD I'm going to be down at the shops first day it is out in Australia buying one. :)

Compared To? (2, Interesting)

simpl3x (238301) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633814)

What can you compare this to? The Palm devices? It seems to have a good screen 800 x 600, Wi-Fi... I can imagine teachers carrying something like this around to hold teacher edition texts, and accessing the school network. IMHO, this is very cool, and could open up a lot of opportuniity in web applications for verticle markets.

I wish it had a sim card, and I hope that they offer a keyboard tray of some sort.

Re:Compared To? (1)

GuyWithLag (621929) | more than 9 years ago | (#12634146)

Since it has bluetooth, just use something like the frogpad [] .

Obligatory Question (-1, Troll)

TooMuchEspressoGuy (763203) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633639)

But can the Linux handheld run Linux?

Oh, wait...

How much? (1)

datadriven (699893) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633645)

The website doesn't list a price. Anybody know what they're going to charge for these?

Re:How much? (1)

MynockGuano (164259) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633956)

MSRP is $350 (U.S.)

I like it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633649)

integrate a PVR and plenty of storage space and my ipod is in the bin

GStreamer (5, Informative)

JohnFluxx (413620) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633650)

Please note that it is also recently revealed that Nokia has been funding GStreamer ! Thank you Nokia!

... but shame on you, Nokia... (5, Insightful)

lowieken (522530) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633752)

for wanting to impose software patents on us in the EU!

Re:... but shame on you, Nokia... (3, Insightful)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 9 years ago | (#12634032)

Nokia is really mixed up in these matters:

  • it supports open source stuff like this
  • supports the anti-microsoft side in eu vs. microsoft battle
  • on the other hand, supports software patents

I'd wish they'd just make up their mind and vouch for FOSS

Seen it already... (1, Funny)

CodeArtisan (795142) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633653)

*cough* PSP *cough*

Re:Seen it already... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633705)

cough PSP cant surf the web *cough*

nor can it read emails, play streaming radio and at least 60 other things.

the PSP is a neat portable game but a webpad it CERTIANLY is not.

so how do you click on a fricking link because the PSP lacks a touchscreen? and when is FLASH going to be released for the PSP?


Re:Seen it already... (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633790)

Boy, there must be a cold going around or something. You should try non-drowsy DayQuil. Non-drowsy DayQuil works for up to eight hours and relieves cough, sneezing, stuffy head, fever, and other bothersome cold symptoms.

Click here for a free coupon for 50 cents off your next purchase of non-drowsy DayQuil.

Battery Life (5, Interesting)

AngryScot (795131) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633663)

3 hour battery life seems to be a little short if you are going to be traveling and want to use it.

I suppose you could charge it in your car...

Re:Battery Life (1)

rho (6063) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633778)

My thoughts exactly. 3 hour battery puts this into the "toy" range. You can't even pretend it'll work through a business day--it's for having something to surf porn with while on the john.

Exceedingly useless. Great idea, but the battery kills it.

Re:Battery Life (1)

wren337 (182018) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633795)

Come on, nothing has a working battery life of much more than 3 hours. Look at the screen on this thing. If a 3 hour battery life is the best gripe you can come up with, this thing will sell like hotcakes.

Me, I'm griping about the storage. What, no 20GB harddrive? Where will I keep my movies?

Re:Battery Life (3, Interesting)

l810c (551591) | more than 9 years ago | (#12634040)

3 hour battery life seems to be a little short if you are going to be traveling and want to use it.

It's only 1500 mAh, your average NiMH AA is at 2300 mAh each. This battery must be puny.

An external battery pack would be a cool option. 2 AA's in a small tube with wire could provide nearly 10 hours.

Stylus (2, Interesting)

teiresias (101481) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633667)

I've been using my Gateway tablet for about half a year now and while the stylus works and works well, it's not something I felt the same level of comfort using as I do when I use a pen or pencil. My guess would be that the stlus seems to slip more over the very slick screen.

In regards to the Nokia 770, the stylus seems to be the primary form of input and command for this device. Unless Nokia has changed the feel of stylus, this might hurt adopters of what looks like a neat PDA/tablet hybrid. Indeed, implementing a small keyboard similiar to the Sharp Zaurus PDA's would be very nice.

Re:Stylus (1)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633879)

Or maybe a bluetooth keyboard or IR keyboard. I seem to recall seeing some cute little folding bluetooth keyboards a while back. In fact ThinkGeek has one. []

Input methods and battery life have been the two major reasons I haven't purchased a PDA since the Palm V. You could go weeks between recharging your Palm, while you're lucky to get through a day with the latest crop. I got sick of grafitti after a while, too. Sony's Clie looked promising but the ones with the keyboards were inevitably more than I wanted to pay for a PDA. So I'm doing without until I can get one with all the features I want.

Nokia should avoid using GNOME components. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633668)

Hello people from Slashdot,

As a former GNOME Foundation member and six years contributor towards GNOME, the community, my own projects, that I can tell you that GNOME is being sold to the public as far more than it really is. The lack of knowledge and the aggressive marketing is, makes people blindly jump on GNOME.

GNOME is an architecture disaster, to say, only half of the things really work as it should, stuff not quite polished giving the user the feel of bad implementation. I wonder if you from Slashdot want to promote such a product to customers, companies or government without making yourself sound untrustable afterwards. You should really spent some time into the product GNOME itself and compare the things I mention here with a vanilla build of GNOME on your systems.

I always hear that GNOME is so polished, that GNOME is there to get work done, that it is a corporate desktop and so on. Not to mention that such sentences are scaring a lot of developers away it's also some sort of politics which went through no communication with other developers. It makes other developers look like outsiders. Since the corporate argument gives them the feeling that GNOME is lead by 'corporates' and big companies and right now it only looks like paid members of the community are doing the job because others have resigned.

Now for the facts of getting the work done. Has anyone ever tried getting serious work done with GNOME ? Ever tried to print the actual page from GPDF or EVINCE ? Or has anyone ever asked why GGV doesn't offer a print dialog ? Ever tried copying a full recursive subdirectory from FTP to the desktop using Nautilus without losing files ? Ever tried writing a circular letter with Abiword and trying to use Evolutions address book ? Ever tried drawing a computer related graph or UML graph using GNOME programms ? using DIA maybe ?

People should really spent some time looking at the whole thing, that GNOME is, each app, what it does, what it doesn't. And not just watch some movies or listen to mp3 files. That's not what business is supposed to do or want to do.

I now want to show you one visible aspect about GNOME, something that you can easily check up on your side, though it doesn't cover all the problems inside the architecture of GNOME such as broken gnome-vfs (which explains why Nautilus copies 0byte files from FTP to your computer) or other things. Well I don't want to make stuff sound more complicated for now but try throwing an eye on this this picture []. Look closer to it. Now look again a bit closer to it.. No.. that's close enough..

This screenshot explains a lot to us. We don't care for the Toolbar structure nor do we care for the Menu structure. We only look at the appearance. Note that this is just one minor example of the overall problems that exists.

We see Toolbars with ICONS only, we see Toolbars with TEXT beneath the ICONS, we see Toolbars with mixed entries as ICONS and TEXT, we see Toolbars which have a drag handle, we see Menu with drag handle, we see Toolbars without drag handle we see Menu without drag handle.

Now what does us tell this ? It tells us that there is something wrong "why is this the case ?", it's because there are huge problems inside the architecture. We need to ask ourself what the aim of a desktop is ? The aim is to provide a set of bottom libraries (called a framework) for the developers, so they are able to create applications that feel coherent, look the same, work the same, behave the same as in a real environment.

Now we need to look a bit closer to it and we figure out that GNOME offers for historic reasons different ways to create Windows. Now imagine this, you are a user and you want for some reason ICONS only on your Toolbar or you want no images in the Menu. You go into the preferences section and select 'icons only' for Toolbars and 'no images' for Menus. After that you realize that 3/4 of the mostly GNOME centric applications are not behaving correctly.

Looking closer to the screenshot you also realize that the Toolbars are not just behaving differently they also are in different sizes (height). I am not saying that such things can't be found on other architectures but I find it quite ridiculous and embarrassing naming GNOME together with MacOS X and even say it's as clean and as aesthetical pleasing as MaxOS X while the above screenshot clearly demonstrates that this is not the case.

Think that this is an extra manipulated screenshot ? Please load up GNOME on your desktop and start a couple of different applications and find out yourself. I could easily go into deeper detail (e.g. jumping on the full architecture itself) but I keep myself from wasting time here. All in all people should get enough from the screenshot to understand that something ain't right there.

Actually yes these things annoy a regular user and prevents him from getting work done because he starts fiddling around with the desktop components to make it look coherent. Now this won't stop me from working with GNOME (working with GNOME doesn't mean getting work done) but this example is just a minor one from the overall stuff found inside GNOME. I don't get my work done correctly inside GNOME because of all these irritations found everywhere. For example I am able to print the current page from within GNUMERIC and ABIWORD but I am not able to print the current page from within GPDF or EVINCE not to speak about GGV that doesn't offer me a printing dialog at all. This is preventing me from getting my work done because I have to stick back to console or gnome-terminal to print exactly the one page that I want using cryptic commandline tools.

I also have some issues when trying to copy a large chunk of files + subdirs recursively from an FTP server of my workplace to my homeplace using Nautilus and realize after backup and stuff burned to DVD that half of my files are only having 0 byte sizes.

I am also irritated and not getting my work done properly because I wanted to write circular letters and wasn't able to get my addresses out of Evolution so I can use them within Abiword.

Hell, how was I irritated when I wanted to sort 1000 holiday pictures using GThumb, where I moved some files around in the console and then realized that the matching thumbnails (in the cache and in the .thumbnail dir) doesn't reflect the image contents anymore.

There are plenty of these things, this screenshot only shows one of many issues that can be found in GNOME. For a corporate desktop that it claims to be it miserabely failed. Simple tasks become a huge issue when addressed.

These issues don't happen under KDE because everything seem to work perfectly with each other. I can even print circular letters, or print the current page from within KPDF or whatever document even maintain my Images without any issues.

If you haven't been aware of these issues inside GNOME then it's about time you check these issues up yourself more clearly. I don't say that people shouldn't use GNOME but these issues are not just trivial stuff. I am also often told that no desktop environment is perfect and course people are right with this and everyone will agree. But not being able to do simpliest tasks correctly is by far nothing that I would call 'no de is perfect'.

GNOME as corporate ready desktop solution that went through a lot of marketing hype, even called to have surpassed Windows, is in no way able to accomplish simple tasks on its own without the help of major applications such as OOo or Firefox (which can be run on non-GNOME desktops as well) so what remains at the end ?

If you fear to copy a bunch of files with Nautilus from FTP to some location and you need to verify 10 times to make sure all files are copied properly (amongst other things in the entire desktop) makes you ask yourself the question whether you can trust what you use. Can you be sure that the stuff you use works at least for trivial things ?

Looking good or clean doesn't mean that it also works correctly and I am not the person telling others what they should prefer using, but I like to inform that people should be careful when it comes to trust GNOME. Most audience people here are only using GNOME for simple tasks such as emailing, browsing, some easy file managing but none of them probably did serious work with GNOME, work that needs to be accomplished on demand and then just in time without fiddling around and become angry afterwards because stuff doesn't work that reliable as it should.

As a former CS student I had to solve a couple of tasks for my university needs. In the offered electronics course I had to simulate digital circuits and needed to install Windows besides Linux to use Electronics Workbench for this one task. I looked around on Linux and specially on GNOME and didn't found an application (which was mature, still being developed on or work under GNOME 2) to accomplish this task. I then peeked over to KDE and found an application with similar functionality and maturity than Electronics Workbench called KTechlab.

I also had to do various presentations infront of the audience and other students like talks, speeches or project demonstration. Unfortunately I wasn't able to find a PowerPoint like application under GNOME, there was some rough attempts by some people but they were never mature enough to be a serious competition. Here again I was needing the Windows partition only to get certain tasks accomplished. I then peeked over to KDE and found KPresenter:

Of course during my CS studies I also had to do a lot of graphs like Nassi Shneidermann diagrams, Structugrams, Datagramms, ERP diagramms, UML (Unified Modeling Language) diagrams and what else. Unfortunately the only existing program under GNOME called DIA was a nightmare to use, It didn't feel GNOME, it always had flaws and bugs, it lost data when saving a project. Well there was always something that prevented me in getting serious work done. Even for this I had to use Rational Rose, Visio, ERP and other tools under Windows only to accomplish the tasks. Even here I looked further under KDE and found similar tool to get the work done.

As you see, I'm getting my work done (or could have get done) if I'd used KDE rather than waiting for GNOME to show up with similar projects. The applications are there and can be used to accomplish work, to get real serious work done. I don't mind if a Toolbar has a few more icons or the preferences are overloaded as long as the tools exists to get this kind of job done. But I doubt people can look over the border to understand real life demands and requirements on software. GNOME is not corporate ready and of course not ready as Desktop for Linux because it has nothing to offer, even trivial operations can't be accomplished. KDE may not be everyones likes but it offers the tools to get this kind of work done correctly. So comparing GNOME vs. KDE then GNOME is far behind KDE, comparing applications for both Desktops then GNOME loses again here.

Now getting back to the aesthetical aspects of GNOME. Of course not every app has to look identical as the other app, but key components like Toolbars, Windows, obeying on settings set through GNOME control-center, de-attachable drag handles, Printer dialogs, working FTP copy or file operations, should be given and no matter of further discussions. These things should simply be as it's intended. So the excuse that it's not required to have the apps obeying on global things is quite misleading for the fact being that GNOME is a desktop environment and already being introduced as a corporate solution.

Compared to the years that GNOME exists, people can't come with the excuse that GNOME 1 has been ported to GNOME 2 etc. since this is already a couple of years ago. Why is the process of offering these functionality going on so slowly ? I thought GNOME has big corporate backup so the process should be faster in this case. GNOME is being introduced as a desktop to get work done. Nothing really works, everything looks and feels half finished and half backed.

Look between GNOME and KDE there is just one year difference and I think that the amount of GNOME and KDE hackers are quite similar but yet the KDE people seem to have achieved far more. The gap between GNOME and KDE is getting bigger and bigger with each day. And right now they are in the middle of the process of porting KDE 3 to KDE 4 and this only with a handful of people. Simple question, why did the KDE people achieve more, better polished, better working and more coherent Desktop ?

Now I also mentioned the community aspect of GNOME, giving people the feeling to not be part of the community, having offended a lot of contributors and developers in the past years are a nightmare. A few years ago I spent two days wading through and looking out for patches that are meant to help GNOME rotting on the bugreporter for months, not being accepted or not even getting a reply what their status are. I brought this up on the mailinglists for further communication and the first replies I got was eagerly friendly to say it was scary and after some deeper conversation and following the IRC covnersation I figured out that key elements of the GNOME desktop started making jokes about people who spent days into bughunting and reporting. Over the years we lost a lot of potential interested developers due to bad managment, egoism and elitism in the community and then also some people who sit in the foundation or the release board who regulary abused their powers for slandering other projects and other people. Also the overall contributions to GNOME is going on really slow, if the changes that everyone expects hasn't happened till now then I really doubt they will ever happen within the upcoming years, lack of manpower, lack of contributions and overall ignorance is scaring people away.

If you paid attention to the recent announcements of favored desktops 2004 then you realized that GNOME is losing people more and more. This is not just because of internal issues but also the entire desktop as it's being presented to the public nowadays. People switch away from GNOME and move towards MacOS X, XFCE or even KDE only to get the real work done. People are tired of waiting for GNOME to catch up with other solutions that exists.

Ok I know you don't need to trust someone who writes to you anonymously telling you all this stuff which can easily be sound like someone is writing clearing and then jumps off. No it's ok but please whatever you do with the GNOME people or whatever you do with GNOME itself, take at least some of my arguments and comments into account, maybe you will see some stuff one day and say 'hey this is ringing a bell in my head'.

Better picture (2, Informative)

BenBenBen (249969) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633669)

Here []

I've seen $350 quoted as a price point - once more and more devices start offering control access over TCP/IP (think TiVoweb, Xbox Media Centre etc) I think we've got a good candidate for the much-trumpeted "terminal" device that everyone uses around the home. I had the PSP pegged as a good place to start, providing a vibrant homebrew community springs up around it. This Nokia device offers that sort of functionality and development possibilites right out the box.

Re:Better picture (1)

JaseOne (579683) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633954)

The PSP isn't suited for such a device at all, how are you going to easily get input into it? Heck a multi-function IR remote would be better than a PSP, using the control pad, analog stick or buttons just is not a viable input method for doing just about anything other than play games or watch movies (or listen to music I guess but I prefer something I can fit in my pocket for that).

I fail to see how people keep touting the PSP as this great multi-function device and how cool it will be once an official web browser is released, yeah that is until you get sick of typing in URL's via the on screen keyboard, heck it pisses me off no end just typing in things like the name of a wireless network I can't imagine typing something like a reply to a Slashdot post on it.

Except for the lack of an IR port the DS with it's touch screen is much more suited as a multi function device. I can just see a browser being released with the browser on the top screen and the keyboard along with scroll bars on the bottom touch screen, now that would be nifty!

PDA please! (3, Interesting)

johansalk (818687) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633672)

Looks exciting; can't wait for them to make a PDA out of it. I just wish they'd used regular SD instead of reduced size memory cards.

Nokia are software patent supporting facists (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633686)

'nuff said.

No CF slot? (1)

elementalist (173382) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633689)

Why do manufacturers hate CF so? More over, mini-mmc? Was there not enough flash formats?

Re:No CF slot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633976)

hy do manufacturers hate CF so? More over, mini-mmc?


How do I type on this thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633711)

I want to enter some password protected sites and the stylus thing is not really adequate for typing ***** kind of passwords.
OTOH, most password protected sites will work well only with IE and not w other browsers.

Re:How do I type on this thing? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633729)

There's also a virtual keyboard and text recognition.

Re:How do I type on this thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633833)

I want to enter some password protected sites and the stylus thing is not really adequate for typing ***** kind of passwords.

Why would you choose ***** as your password anyway? Most of us use alpha-numeric characters.

what about KDE/Qt? (1)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633714)

Since it supports Linux and X11, will it run and support KDE/Qt development?

Re:what about KDE/Qt? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633772)

> Since it supports Linux and X11, will it run and support KDE/Qt development?

Dont see any reason why it wouldn't. []
Should be easy enough to get Qtopia running on it, if you dont mind using up precious storage space.

No it won't (2, Informative)

dcrocha (776603) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633836)

It only supports GTK user interfaces. I have direct contact with people on that project and that's something that will not change for now.

Re:No it won't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633905)

With an extensive SDK becoming available, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to compile whatever you want for it.

I bet that there's nothing that prevents you from running other toolkits there.

should work (1)

cahiha (873942) | more than 9 years ago | (#12634013)

Well, yes, it should: since it is X11 based and since KDE and Gnome have worked on standardizing common desktop features between them, Qt and KDE applications should work pretty well on it.

Furthermore, deriving a KDE handheld environment from the KDE desktop software should not be much work.

This is the way handheld Linux software should be done. Qt/Embedded and Qtopia's approach is unnecessarily exclusionary: with Qt/Embedded, you cannot realistically use any non-Qt GUI applications on the handheld.

Holy Crap! Sign me up! (1)

MeBadMagic (619592) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633715)

This looks like what I've been waiting for. I didn't see any Office apps (OOo). This might be just the thing to convince my boss to get 2 of. One for him, and one for me to learn how to help him use his....


Re:Holy Crap! Sign me up! (1)

gnugnugnu (178215) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633798)

OpenOffice is way too big for the limited storage space on these things, you wont be storing your Mp3 collection on it either.

Apps (1)

Kludge (13653) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633835)

If it's really running X and GTK, apps galore already abound. SWEET!

A phone? (1)

MoobY (207480) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633748)

Hm these guys at Nokia forgot putting a mobile phone into this thing...

Re:A phone? (1)

CortoMaltese (828267) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633840)

From the full feature list [] :
The Nokia 770 Internet Tablet's software is upgradeable and currently runs on the Linux-based Internet Tablet 2005 software edition. There is a planned launch next year of an operating system upgrade - the Internet Tablet 2006 software addition - that will support additional services, including Internet telephony (VoIP) and Instant Messaging.
So in 2006, this gadget can be used as a WI-FI VoIP phone. This shall be very interesting.

High-res images on Nokia press site (1)

tsvk (624784) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633754)

Nokia's press site has some high-resolution images [] .

Re:High-res images on Nokia press site (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12634118)

Ahh yes.

Pictures of smiling models gawping a tiny screen. What a load of shit, the only time I small at my computer in that way is when I've just fragged some ass.

And EVEN then its not quite a fake lookinga sdoasdjaosijoaf



What will it cost? (1)

Petrus (17053) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633765)

I'll buy one if it is under $500 and bunch of them if they make the cost under $200.
Did anyone see any word about the target price?

Re:What will it cost? (1)

Ionizer7 (814098) | more than 9 years ago | (#12634017)

estimated price is $350.

Maemo? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633767)

Sounds like a shojo anime character

A step in the right direction. (1)

Stu L Tissimus (873928) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633793)

This could (note the could) be a very good move for Nokia. There've been numerous tries to make one of these "internet pads" and all of them have failed. But with a well-known name, like nokia, you never know. They've made mistakes before - nGage, anyone? - but that's because they were trying to enter a market that they had never done stuff with before, and that already had well-established boundaries, those being Nintendo's Gameboy Advance. But with this, they're entering a market that is relatively small, at least for the moment. But then again, knowing Nokia, they'll probably charge some ridiculous price for it... Oh, and to the guy that said something about the PSP, I'd much rather browse with a touchscreen than with an analog nub, thank you very much. :D

It will fail (1, Insightful)

lelitsch (31136) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633809)

Not because of the price, but because it doesn't have any meaningful storage options. 128MB Flash is not going to do anything for movies, images or other downloads. Now if they'd put in a hard drive, or a expansion slot so you can get a few gigs of storage, you could download a movie to watch when you get out of range of broadband. And even in a few years, that's still going to be a lot of places. Ten years from now, wireless broadband will be truely everywhere, but even in places like Japan and Korea it's fiarly common to get out of 3G or WiFiMax range.

Re:It will fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12634098)

What about using large volume reduced size MMC cards?

Stupid quotes on the bottom of the site (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633853)

"You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here."

I demand better quotes!

Nokia = EU Patent Hog (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633870)

Well, apparently Nokia wants to have their Linux cake and kill it, too, considering that they were the major player in getting at least the Finnish govt. to vote for the disastrous and controversial software patent directive.

Not buying this from them.

(Roughly the same criticism, of course, applies to other companies such as IBM as well, but at least said IBM has started to put some of their patents out there. Which doesn't really negate their lobbying sins, but it's a start.)

Blog name (1)

eGuy (545520) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633875)

Maemo will need a name for their blog/planet. How about Maemo-gram

which browser ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633883)

Which browser software is installed ?

Firefox ? Opera ? Konqueror ? Another one ?

Re:which browser ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633899)


Thank you, Microsoft (-1, Offtopic)

Inkieminstrel (812132) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633897)

Dear Microsoft,

Thanks to you, I spend more time with my family than ever. Whenever I visit my out of town relatives, they all make sure I come and pay a visit to clean the spyware off their computers. I get numerous great meals with my family members because of the services I provide. I further wouldn't receive half as many calls from my dear mother without Microsoft. How many times do I get to hear her loving voice saying "My Internet is broken," thanks to you, Microsoft?

You have had a profound impact in bringing me closer to my family.

Thank you, Microsoft!

Limited until... (1)

wertarbyte (811674) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633901)

I guess this device will be limited in its flexibility to make it easier to use for the average joe. I'm waiting for a project like Familiar [] and/or GPE [] (famous for their iPAQ system) to port their stuff to the device...really sweet then :-)

Re:Limited until... (1)

Raphael (18701) | more than 9 years ago | (#12634082)

I'm waiting for a project like Familiar and/or GPE (famous for their iPAQ system) to port their stuff to the device

That should not be necessary. I am a big fan of Familiar and GPE, having installed them on several iPAQs. You will recognize that Maemo and GPE have a lot of things in common such as GTK+, Matchbox and many other parts of their respective platforms (check the Maemo SDK for more info about the platform).

With Maemo, Nokia has done a great job in polishing the user interface and cleaning up several libraries. I don't think that replacing it with GPE would make much sense, as it would be a step backwards. On the other hand, I think that both projects can benefit from each other.

hmmmm (1)

HaydnH (877214) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633907)

2 days after I baught a Treo 650 on a 2 year contract... bugger!

Re:hmmmm (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633944)

You did what!?!

Re:hmmmm (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633993)

This device is not actually a phone, so I wouldn't worry about it. It can connect to a phone via BlueTooth, but that's about it.

The real question is (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12633921)

Can it run Windoz?!

Could be perfect for CarPCs (2, Interesting)

sonny317 (300865) | more than 9 years ago | (#12633951)

If the screen is bright enough to be daylight readable as some of the outdoor press shots would suggest, you have a very compact, removable linux-based media engine with hi-res touchscreen and navigation buttons. If much of any developer community adopts it (hard to imagine it wouldn't), there will probably be support for all sorts of additional media formats and peripherals. Given that current sunlight-readable VGA touchscreens cost ~$3-5 hundred USD alone, this could easily knock the price of building a carpc setup in half.

maemo - its all 'open' (2, Interesting)

kerskine (46804) | more than 9 years ago | (#12634022)

Just did a quick read of the licenses section of the FAQ. They've released the UI, Skins, and Graphics under the Creative Commons (CC) license. I guess they want to see maemo used on other platforms (assuming the license fee for the graphics is reasonable).

MMC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12634060)

Every Nokia spec I've seen touts MMC instead of the widespread SD standard.

Any chance it's going to be different with this device ?

Re:MMC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12634083)

No, it uses rs-mmc (reduced size MMC). There isn't any rs-sd yet, afaik.

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