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Official BitTorrent Search Opens

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the escalating-arms-race dept.

The Internet 309

starrsoft writes "The official BitTorrent search has debuted. The search engine was built by BT inventor Bram Cohen. The question? Will he get sued? The BT search seems to be down right now. (It'll really be down after this story is posted...) Spiegel has more (En): "Naturally other sites such as Bitoogle, Isohunt, SuprNova or Torrentspy have tried before, but either they became fast a goal of legal attacks on the part of the industry or they furnished rather durchwachsene [??] results. BitTorrent search however proves with first tests [that it is] as...Google...fast. The results come from a large number [of] more well-known and unknown... sites, and...permits sufficient restricting to the inquiry, in order to obtain really relevant results.""

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404 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12638528)

404 File Not Found
The requested URL (articles/05/05/25/2033224.shtml?tid=95) was not found.

If you feel like it, mail the url, and where ya came from to pater@slashdot.org.

Speedy (5, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638530)

BitTorrent search however proves with first tests [that it is] as...Google...fast.

So fast that the browser times out on a search for "mozilla". Hopefully they'll get those kinks worked out soon. :-/

Bandwidth generously provided by Hot or Not

That explains everything. ;-)

Will he get sued?

I still think that anyone trying to sue Bittorrent or a generic search engine would have a hard time of it. Bittorrent has so many legal uses that it just isn't funny. Here's some example of legal torrents:

Privateer Remake [filerush.com]
OpenOffice [openoffice.org]
Star Trek: New Voyages [blogsite.org] (legal fan made)
FreeBSD [freebsd.org]
Star Wars: Revelations [panicstruckpro.com] (legal fan made)
Xandros Free Edition [xandros.com]
Mozilla Firefox [mozilla.org]
Doom 3 Demo [filerush.com]
America's Army [slashdot.org] (now for Linux and OSX)

I could go on, but I think you get the point.

Re:Speedy (1)

Mitaphane (96828) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638571)

Funny, Informative, and Insightful...A well done post good sir...

Re:Speedy (4, Informative)

Anonymous Custard (587661) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638595)

Blizzard's World of Warcraft game uses a bittorrent-like p2p download system for all its large patches.

Re:Speedy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12638625)

Not to mention all of Blizzard's gameplay/cinematic video downloads are available using their own bittorrent client.

Re:Speedy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12638785)

Doesn't Bram Cohen works for Blizzard, anyway?

Re:Speedy (1)

NetNifty (796376) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638833)

Don't think so. He worked shortly for Valve though.

Re:Speedy (2, Interesting)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638806)

Blizzard's World of Warcraft game uses a bittorrent-like p2p download system for all its large patches. ..which is why anyone with any sense waits for the fileplanet mirror.

BT is great if you're not behind a firewall or on a corporate network... for normal usage get used to downloading your 500MB file at 1k/second.

I have 20 machines behind this firewall.. there is no way in hell port forwarding is going to work, so WoW doesn't get updated for a couple of weeks while until the mirrors get up to speed.

Re:Speedy (5, Interesting)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638642)

Although BitTorrent is demonstrably usable for many non-infringing purposes, it would be naive to think that this search engine will have anything less than 50% (as a conservative estimate) legally dubious content indexed. To follow from that, however, I think my post from the previous discussion on this search engine is relevant:

I'm interested to see what is and isn't worthy of a lawsuit. This search engine is now three steps removed from the (assumed) copyright infringement.

Uploading music from within a country where that is outlawed seems to be fair game for legal action now (although countries where a fee is paid on blank media have a fairly strong case for to say they've already paid) and it's been that way for some time.

More recently sites like Suprnova and BTefnet, who provide no copyrighted content but do provide information on where to get it in the form of trackers, have been subject to successful legal action.

This search engine will now provide no copyrighted content. It will not tell users where to get copyrighted content. It will (presumably) tell users where to get information (.torrent files and their associated trackers) on where to get copyrighted content. Is this enough for a case? I'm really not sure it is.

Could I be taken to court for handing out [illegal item] - yes. Could I be taken to court for telling people that Joe Bloggs on the other side of town can put them in touch with someone who will give them [illegal item] - I wouldn't think so.

Re:Speedy (3, Insightful)

GMFTatsujin (239569) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638755)

Surely that problem exists on the provider's side, not the search engine's side? If I share a movie file with BitTorrent, is it BitTorrent's fault?

If I share a movie via FTP on my web server and Google's spiders find it and link to it, is it Google's fault that I've broken copyright law?

The protocol is irrelevent. (The constant game of cat and mouse, protocol-of-the-week antics confirms this.) Even the uses to which people *put* the protocol are irrelevent. What matters is that people are sharing materials to which they have no copyrights, not that they're using BitTorrent to do it.

BitTorrent doesn't share movies. People share movies.

Re:Speedy (1)

CSMastermind (847625) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638851)

While I do agree with you in your statement that it's the his fault. I'd point out that Bittorrent is more likely to get sued than google if nothing else, but simply for the fact that they not only provide a scearch engine, but a means to use what you find on the scearch engine. I know, it'd be like google making a media player but that's just not how the MIAA and RIAA see it.

Re:Speedy (4, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638800)

I'm interested to see what is and isn't worthy of a lawsuit. This search engine is now three steps removed from the (assumed) copyright infringement.

The judge in the Napster case defined the litmus test that has been used by successive generations of P2P software. His decision is also what got Kazza off the hook.

As I understand the case, the judge said that a technology would be legal if it was demonstratably useful and intended for legal purposes. Napster failed that test, because there simply wasn't an existing base of legal music files at the time. Kazza succeeded because it was able to show that its design allowed for any type of file regardless of legality.

Similarly, this search engine should be legal as long as it stays within the bounds of a generic service. If it starts favoring particular sites, then the owners are going to be in trouble. Also note that the owners of the search engine will need to promptly remove any links requested by someone claiming a copyright, in order to sustain carrier status under the DMCA.

It will (presumably) tell users where to get information (.torrent files and their associated trackers) on where to get copyrighted content. Is this enough for a case?

Definitely not. Distributing copyrighted material is not illegal. Illegally distributing copyrighted material is illegal. I realize most people around here don't catch the distinction, so I'll attempt to explain.

You see, when the Mozilla Foundation produces a release of FireFox they have an automatic copyright on their work. That copyright gives them the sole control over its redistribution. In MF's case, they decide to freely allow for BitTorrent distribution and redistribution. That is their right as a copyright holder. However, when George Lucas produced Star Wars III he chose to only allow for distribution to theaters under a royalty agreement. Redistribution is not permitted (except for perhaps companies who create film copies on behalf of Lucas) and thus is illegal if found on a P2P network.

Re:Speedy (0, Troll)

John Seminal (698722) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638651)

I still think that anyone trying to sue Bittorrent or a generic search engine would have a hard time of it. Bittorrent has so many legal uses that it just isn't funny. Here's some example of legal torrents

You are missing the point. They are not suing bit torrent, they are suing websites that have any instance of a copywrited item listed.

So if your website has the latest Lar's song, chances are they will try and shut you down. They will try and intimidate you. This is the reason I threw all my Metallica shit in the garbage. Fuck Metallica!!

Having open office and other legal stuff might mitigate your offence. You can then say, "hey, we don't host it, we just tell you where it is at".

It comes down to the question- is information free. Can we say whatever we want? Tell people anything? The old test was "emminent hard", where you could not scream "fire" in a theater. But what if I want to tell people how to make a bomb? Can I get arrested for that? What if I want to tell people why the president sucks while telling them how to make a bomb? Or why communism is better?

There is a threat to free speech, I think there will be a right wing revolution in the USA. Look at the library that now requires fingerprints. Look at how the patriot act lets law enforcment do a search without a warrent (BTW, someone explain to me how congress can pass a law that violates the constitution).

I think Bit Torrent is the least of our worries. When the time comes, the sites will go dead. The Routers will remove the IPA to URL link.

Re:Speedy (5, Insightful)

dougmc (70836) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638795)

This is the reason I threw all my Metallica shit in the garbage. Fuck Metallica!!
Of course, this did nothing to actually fuck Metallica. In fact, it probably made them money rather than lost them money.

How so?

Well, if you kept your Metallica stuff (music, T-shirts, videos, I assume), then in the future you might decide that you just don't care for Metallica anymore. So you sell it. And the people who bought your used stuff might not buy new stuff from Metallica because they just bought your stuff.

But now that you've thrown it away (it's destroyed, presumably), this cannot happen, and now somebody will have to buy new Metallica shit, lining Lars' pockets with even more gold.

Good job!

Re:Speedy (1)

djkoolaide (729441) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638672)

Wow, I'm glad that Mozilla keeps their BitTorrent page updated with the latest builds :/ I wonder why they are only serving 1.01 on there?

Re:Speedy (2, Interesting)

Adrilla (830520) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638780)

If they sue the bittorrent engine shouldn't they sue google since you can always use the 'filetype:torrent' search in the google engine?

help mee (4, Funny)

AtariDatacenter (31657) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638531)

"I don't understand? The search engine doesn't work! It just sits there and does nothing!"

Re:help mee (5, Funny)

AtariDatacenter (31657) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638553)

"I don't understand? The search engine doesn't work! It just sits there and does nothing!"

My boss just walked by. He said that he has the same problem with some of his employees. [oops!]

Re:help mee (2, Funny)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638652)

Hey, at least they aren't actively breaking stuff!

slashdotted already! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12638533)

slashdotted already!

w00t! (-1, Redundant)

Fantasy Football (886971) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638534)

W00t!

use gnutella? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12638536)

I wonder why people haven't been using many of the other p2p applications out there, particularly the decentralized ones, to search for .torrent files. Or am I just crazy?

Why should we? (4, Insightful)

millennial (830897) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638597)

1) It's redundant - who wants to have to use two P2P apps just to get something?

2) It's difficult - until recently, trackerless torrents have been a dream, so downloading a torrent from a random user might end up creating a bunch of seedless torrents.

3) Most people who use other P2P apps tend to not understand BitTorrent. They stick with what's easy.

Re:use gnutella? (1)

crow (16139) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638621)

Gnutella faces the key problem of any new p2p network: It's much easier to develop the technology than to get people to use it. The new technology has to be way better before people will switch to it, because switching to something new means giving up on the large user base of the old system.

Re:use gnutella? (1)

DCstewieG (824956) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638622)

The problem then is getting torrents where the tracker is down. Of course, even that is less of an issue now...

Re:use gnutella? (1)

danormsby (529805) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638675)

I think this is because torrents only recently became decentralized themselves. What is the point in searching for a torrent to find the server orchestrating it is down?

Bittorrent givith bandwidth (4, Funny)

yotto (590067) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638540)

And slashdot taketh away. I coudln't even get one search in.

Re:Bittorrent givith bandwidth (1)

bnitsua (72438) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638635)

actually, it was down before the article was posted. of course, I doubt the slashdot article is helping any...

Re:Bittorrent givith bandwidth (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638663)

Slashdot would be good to setup a BT search engine.

A slashdot branded site would have more copies of recent movies than Blockbuster!

Re:Bittorrent givith bandwidth (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638694)

Question. If it can't stand the /. effect, how can we be sure it can stand EVERYDAY USE? I mean, google has never been slashdotted, has it?

So what is BitTorrent anyway (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638544)

and who are those dark sunglass-wearing individuals in grey trenchcoats at my door?

I just hate it... (1)

kclittle (625128) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638545)

I just hate it when things go down the durchwachsene...

fast? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12638546)

Google...fast?

More like "Loading..." fast.

Coming soon! (1)

seymansey (654465) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638548)

The slashdot story about this site being sued!

"The BT search seems to be down right now." (3, Funny)

lildogie (54998) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638549)

Gee, I can't imagine why.

In other news... (1, Informative)

Folmer (827037) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638554)

Elitetorrents.org gets closed by the feds: http://www.ice.gov/graphics/news/newsreleases/arti cles/starwars052505.htm [ice.gov]

ice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12638587)

how is bittorrent immigration and/or customs?

Re:In other news... (4, Interesting)

tricops (635353) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638748)

One thing that's nice to see in the ICE press release is this (emphasis added):

"ICE and the FBI have shut down a group of online criminals who were using legitimate technology to create one-stop shopping for the illegal sharing of movies, games, software and music."

I think he'll get sued but... (5, Insightful)

CSMastermind (847625) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638557)

I don't think the legal efforts against him will be successfull. Here's why:

When Napster was sued they actually had content in their possession. Not the case here. Even if they were able to prove that you could get content from the network, you aren't technically scearching for the content you get. You're scearching for torrents, which are small files with no real copy righted data in them. They're little road signs that point you where to go. It would be like getting arrested for creating a phone book just because you might be able to find the number of someone who has drugs in the book.

Re:I think he'll get sued but... (2, Interesting)

solitarian (398175) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638612)

so if i were to post a link to the DeCSS code a couple years ago. i wouldn't get sued, because i have only posted a "road sign" to the code?
i wish laws and our courts were more intelligent, but i don't think we can expect the correct judgement from our judiciary system.

Re:I think he'll get sued but... (2, Insightful)

Em Adespoton (792954) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638670)

No, if you created a search engine that happened to index the page with the linnk to DeCSS code, you wouldn't be successfully sued. The search engine indiscriminately references all road signs it finds.

Re:I think he'll get sued but... (2, Informative)

Bradee-oh! (459922) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638760)

so if i were to post a link to the DeCSS code a couple years ago. i wouldn't get sued, because i have only posted a "road sign" to the code?

Someone further up in the thread put it perfectly. I believe the metaphor went like this -

If you asked me for some illegal drugs and I said, "Sure, here you go," I'd most definitely be going to court over that. However if you asked me for some illegal drugs and I said "Joe Bloggs on the other side of town might be able to put you in touch with someone who has the drugs," the case against me would be much less concrete.

In the case of the torrent search engine, you aren't pointing someone directly at the illegal goods. Far from it. Years ago if you linked directly to DeCSS, you're sued. However if you linked to a website that had links to DeCSS you'd have a hard time finding someone that could successfully prosecute you. With torrent search it's more like linking to a website(the torrent) that links to a website(the hosting BT user) that links to the file(the file on the host's compy).

Re:I think he'll get sued but... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638614)

When Napster was sued they actually had content in their possession. Not the case here.

It doesn't matter. If it was found that the only purpose of the search engine was to assist in illegal activities, it would be just as illegal as if it carried the content itself.

That being said, my understanding is that this is supposed to be a generic search engine. As long as the owner keeps his nose clean, a judge is likely to find in his favor due to an "overwhelming degree of legal uses".

Re:I think he'll get sued but... (1)

rackhamh (217889) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638627)

I for one don't think the legal efforts against him will be successful because the site doesn't work.

*IAA Guy 1: Hey, a BitTorrent search site! Let's sue them!

*IAA Guy 2: Yeah! Enter in a search and see what kind of illegal stuff comes up!

*IAA Guy 1: ... ... ... ...

*IAA guys die of old age.

Re:I think he'll get sued but... (1)

coopaq (601975) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638659)

It would be like getting arrested for creating a phone book just because you might be able to find the number of someone who has drugs in the book

What if the phone book clearly marked who was selling drugs and you made this book available to everyone on the internet even kids and not only that most of it is used to call drug dealers to pretend to buy drugs but really to steal movies illegaly!!!

Muhhhahahahaha!!!!

--I am not a script and I still can't read that garbled letters image!

Re:I think he'll get sued but... (1)

Travelsonic (870859) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638713)

What if the phone book clearly marked who was selling drugs and you made this book available to everyone on the internet even kids and not only that most of it is used to call drug dealers to pretend to buy drugs but really to steal movies illegaly!!!

1. The Torrent Serarch Engine does not call out specific torrents, legal or illegaly.

Copyright infringement is copying, not theft.

Re:I think he'll get sued but... (1)

coopaq (601975) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638789)

to call drug dealers to pretend to buy drugs but really to steal movies illegaly!!!

No it's theft! The drug dealers will actually steal the real for you!

It's my fscking story asshat!

Re:I think he'll get sued but... (1)

Travelsonic (870859) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638849)

Oh, thanks for clearing it up.

Don't have to get so defensive, blowhole!

Re:Legal Issues (1)

Sirdar Bey (875827) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638667)

here's a site that was related to bittorrent:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/200505 25/ap_on_hi_te/movie_downloading [yahoo.com]

They're getting more and more aggressive. They'll continue to attempt to crack down on each new technology as long as the main purpose is to share O.P.P.

Re:Legal Issues (OPP) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12638824)

First of all, I feel the need to say that I was never "down with OPP," although I really did like the bassline in that song at the time. Wow, that brings back memories.

Second, I have the question the usefulness of a technology whose main purpose is to share a 15 year old rap song. *8-|*(wtf)

Re:I think he'll get sued but... (2, Insightful)

FriedTurkey (761642) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638705)

Even if it is a loophole in the laws, it will be quickly plugged with legislation soon. I'll take a million dollar bet on it.

Re:I think he'll get sued but... (4, Insightful)

mpcooke3 (306161) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638715)

Metaphor Error.

You can't ask the phone book for class A drugs and get a valid number you can ask a torrent search site for a particular copyrighted film and get the right torrent.

Therefore the phone book is not helping you engage in an illegal activity but the torrent site might be.

Re:I think he'll get sued but... (2, Insightful)

dougmc (70836) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638819)

When Napster was sued they actually had content in their possession.
I assume that by `content' you mean `infringing content'? And by `their possession' you mean on their servers?

If so, what content are you talking about? There were no mp3s hosted on Napster's servers.

This argument would work on mp3.com's `my.mp3.com' thing where you could prove that you own a CD and then it would let you play `it' from anywhere, but I don't see how it applies to Napster.

Durchwachsen (5, Informative)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638561)

"durchwachsen" means "marbled" or "streaky" when applied to meat, but can also be used figuratively, meaning "mixed", "so-so" etc.

Re:Durchwachsen (1)

joke-boy (744718) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638582)

Probably the most idiomatic translation would be "spotty".

Re:Durchwachsen (1)

incom (570967) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638647)

Language? Guessing german, but you never know.

Re:Durchwachsen (1)

orderb13 (792382) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638735)

Since the reference was to Spiegel, German would be your best bet.

Re:Durchwachsen (1)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638757)

German, yes.

Re:Durchwachsen (2, Informative)

TekGoNos (748138) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638747)

Literally "grown through".

In the article, it may be translated to "mixed".

However, "eher durchwachsen" is just a very polite way to say "almost, but not always, completly crap".

The strength of bit torrent (4, Insightful)

ProfaneBaby (821276) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638562)

Bit Torrent's strength has always been that it's a content neutral utility that is great for efficient P2P. The fact that it's been picked up by some large corporations for distributing large files helps. An official search tool will damage that position.

Don't get me wrong - I'm sure it will be incredibly useful. I'm also sure, that it will be filled with porn, illegal software, and illegal copies of music (whether you agree with the law or not, it's still illegal). That hurts bit torrent's reputation as content neutral, and will make some larger backers step away.

Apparently, though, the makers find it more useful to be widely used than widely respected. Fair enough, it's their toy. Unfortunate, though, that it can't be used as a shining, piracy free star in an otherwise ugly niche of the internet.

Re:The strength of bit torrent (1)

Tx (96709) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638650)

Unfortunate, though, that it can't be used as a shining, piracy free star in an otherwise ugly niche of the internet.

Ummm, I think the boat was missed on that one some time ago dude. Don't know where you've been, but bittorrent is the pirates tool of choice for fast distribution of new "warez".

Re:The strength of bit torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12638683)

Unfortunate, though, that it can't be used as a shining, piracy free star in an otherwise ugly niche of the internet.

BT was hardly that before the official search engine.

Re:The strength of bit torrent (1)

BlogPope (886961) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638687)

Unfortunate, though, that it can't be used as a shining, piracy free star in an otherwise ugly niche of the internet.

Yeah, because nobody uses Bit Torrent for piracy NOW.

BT Search could easily work with content providers to filter out copyrighted works from the results. It wouldn't be perfect but it would be enough to prove theri intentions, much like Apple's iTunes. That really seems to be the main thing they are looking for anyway.

Re:The strength of bit torrent (1)

almostmanda (774265) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638786)

Apparently, though, the makers find it more useful to be widely used than widely respected.

Maybe that's because the software functions better with more users? Bittorrent would be pointless if it was limited to small circles posting approved material.

Re:The strength of bit torrent (1)

Haiku 4 U (580059) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638799)

All tools are neutral
People are good & evil.
Blame people, not tools.

Distributed webhosting (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12638564)

All that's left to do now is build a bittorrent-based webserver

Re:Distributed webhosting (1)

HermanAB (661181) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638740)

That is what Squid-cache is for.

Re:Distributed webhosting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12638764)

No it isn't.

The real question (4, Insightful)

John Seminal (698722) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638568)

The official BitTorrent search has debuted. The search engine was built by BT inventor Bram Cohen. The question? Will he get sued?

Will this search engine help other websites get shut down?

I don't think the RIAA can sue the search engine, but it could sue sites that list torrents.

How will this search engine deal with private torrent websites?? Will it cache them? Can that be used as evidence at a later time?

Re:The real question (0)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638580)

How long have torrents been illegal?

So fast! (1)

buckymatters (885912) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638570)

BitTorrent search however proves with first tests [that it is] as...Google [Alpha 1]...fast.

elitetorrents is dead (1)

ilf (193006) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638581)

ICE press release [ice.gov]

dunno why my article got rejected...

A lawsuit may clear the air... (4, Interesting)

Prospero's Grue (876407) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638598)

I can't help but wonder if there's a provocation behind this - I guess techdirt thinks so. A legal examination and decision (through a lawsuit) might be just what's needed to clear the air of all the *AA FUD that's tossed around...ala SCO v. Linux case. ...or it may add to it, I suppose - lots of histrionics and propoganda while the wheels of justice grind. Is Grokster settled yet?

Read the ToS (5, Informative)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638628)

Look at the ToS, it has some.. intresting stuff.

2. Online Conduct

You agree that you will not use the Site or the Services:

* to develop, generate, upload, post, display, transmit, disseminate or store information that: (A) infringes any third party's intellectual property or other proprietary rights, including, but not limited to, using third party copyrighted materials, without appropriate permission, using third party trademarks without appropriate permission or attribution, or using or distributing third party information (whether or not protected as a trade secret) in violation of a duty of confidentiality or otherwise; (B) is or, in BitTorrent's sole discretion, would have the tendency to be, defamatory, libelous, harassing, pornographic, an invasion of privacy, obscene, abusive, illegal, racist, offensive or harmful or otherwise objectionable; (C) constitutes unsolicited promotions, advertising or solicitations for funds, good or services, including junk mail and spam; (D) otherwise violates this Terms of Service in any way; or (E) obstructs or otherwise interferes with the normal performance of another person's use of the Sites or the Services;


Seems they are covering a few legal holes.. but will it stand against RIAA/MPAA's pack of lawyers?

Re:Read the ToS (1)

John Seminal (698722) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638697)

Seems they are covering a few legal holes.. but will it stand against RIAA/MPAA's pack of lawyers?

No. It will not stand up to the RIAA/MPAA pack of lawyers. They have deep pockets. Who is funding this search engine website?

Secondly, The RIAA has their lobbyists. If current laws are insufficent to shut down the website, the lobbyists will get a new set of law passed. Did you know most of the laws that congress passes were written by lobbyists??

The question the OP asks is comprable to "Can Noriega defend himself from the USA?". We all know how that turned out. ;)

Nothing new (1)

ravenspear (756059) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638727)

Virtually every single P2P app and website that has ever existed has had TOS similar to this. In most cases the app/site creators know exactly what will be going on, but they have to put in this kind of language to make it look like they are not openly encouraging infringement.

Don't expect this to be any kind of legal shield though, because it isn't.

Re:Nothing new (1)

Travelsonic (870859) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638749)

What about the inability to (easily or accurately) filter illegal content? -_0

Re:Read the ToS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12638791)

What does the ToS say about IP logging and the use/dissemination of those logs? I, for one, will only visit these sites through a proxy service such as Proxify [proxify.com]

Question (2, Interesting)

millennial (830897) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638629)

Why does the "news" link send you to MySearch, a well-known spyware-related site? Is this why they're planning to be sued?

what about GOOG (0, Redundant)

sourabhkothari (847285) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638639)

I wonder how the BT search is better than good old google search with filetype as .torrent.
If what the BT search enging does is simply crawl the web and index sites with .torrent files than... that's what google has been doing for yrs.

Same stuff with a new packaging...

Re:what about GOOG (2, Insightful)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638731)

I would imagine BT search looks at the contents of a torrent, for instance extracting filenames that could be matched against search terms. Of course this is possible for Google as well, but I doubt that it's being done.

I DEMAND Search API (1)

Space_Soldier (628825) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638688)

Right now, it isn't working. Assuming that it would become the best torrent search engine, it would be nice if he would relase an API in order for BT clients to talk to it. If he doesn't, we can always parse the html, but that sucks.

I don't know how he plans to make money of it since it is a black-greyish area. You don't see Sony, Porche, etc. ads in the middle of a porn film.

Plus, some of us have AdBlock.

Porn search (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12638692)

Anyone know of a good porn torrent site. Hasn't been the same since mufftorrent shut down.

Re:Porn search (0, Offtopic)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638745)

Empornium [empornium.us] and PureTNA [puretna.com] .

Evidence of editing on slashdot. (1)

jdgeorge (18767) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638709)

BitTorrent search however proves with first tests [that it is] as...Google...fast. The results come from a large number [of] more well-known and unknown... sites, and...permits sufficient restricting to the inquiry, in order to obtain really relevant results.

Well, sure, the editing was done by starrsoft, who submitted the article, but I just about had a heart attack when I saw a slashdot article that had been edited to make it more comprehensible.

it doesn't work... (1)

flawedgeek (833708) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638716)

Could someone post a torrent of this, please?

Now Maybe Finally (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638719)

Now maybe finally can we move Slashdot to BT and harness the power of distributed computing to satisfy our insanely increasing needs to geek trivia?

Firefox Seach Plugin (4, Informative)

g-san (93038) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638733)

God damn thats good service. It's already available. Kudos to Chad Walstrom! Click on File Sharing here [mozdev.org] .

We have a new expression: zero-day features!

Results so far (1)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638736)

So, with stopwatch in hand, I thought I'd test out how well this works.

First search: "The Power of Nightmares".

Results: Timed Out

Second search: "Eyes on the Prize"

Results: Timed out

Third search: Don Quixote

Results: Timed out

Yup - working perfectly so far! M|R|F/IAA doesn't have anything to worry about!

nice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12638758)

Let's get this straight:

Debuted and Fast now encompases "does not work at all".

Slick.

I've just "debuted" a full on AI, then!

A retard wrote this story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12638779)

I'm used to second-class writing on Slashdot, but this is FREAKIN' RIDICULOUS. What is it with all the ellipses?

Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12638793)

A pre /.ed story! This will increase efficiency by 100%! This is better than the letterless keyboard!

Online Translators (3, Funny)

suwain_2 (260792) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638807)

they furnished rather durchwachsene [??] results.

Does anyone else find that phrase to nicely sum up the state of online translators? It's amazing that they can do as much as they do, but the results are sometimes a little, well, durchwachsene.

I, for one, ... (0)

Maljin Jolt (746064) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638821)

...welcome their furnished rather durchwachsene results.

The question is (1)

digitalgimpus (468277) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638832)

Will he withstand a slashdotting of his new gem?

I'm guessing no, searches are already broken.

Day #1, and slashdot is already attacking you.

At least there's a lot of publicity in that.

Will they get sued? (1)

whib (693974) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638838)

Getting sued will likely have very little to do with the viability of legal action.

Any potential legal action will likely be more of an attempt to intimidate, or for the plaintif to flex their muscles. Given that recent rash of lawsuits against torrent sites, I'm going to assume that those who may sue will watch the site to find out what sort of traffic it will generate, what sort of usage the site will get. If the site is not getting any traffic anyhow, the odds of getting sued are pretty low.

Interesting that he picked today (1)

Otto (17870) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638844)

Today is a strange day to do it, considering that EliteTorrents just got shut down by the FBI and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Inital breaking story where the webpage appeared to be hacked: http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=801 [slyck.com]
FBI Release: http://www.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel05/bittorre nt052505.htm [fbi.gov]
ICE release: http://www.ice.gov/graphics/news/newsreleases/arti cles/starwars052505.htm [ice.gov]
MPAA Release: http://mpaa.org/MPAAPress/2005/2005_05_25b.doc [mpaa.org]

About time (1)

lahuard (881789) | more than 9 years ago | (#12638852)

I hope its not to broad and not too full of ads tho
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