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Sirius in Negotiations With Apple

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the howard-stern's-new-haunt dept.

Media (Apple) 388

An anonymous reader writes "Sirius Satellite Radio Chief Executive Mel Karmazin announced that his company is in talks with Apple about bringing satellite radio to the iPod. Karmazin met with Steve Jobs Monday and he says the technology is the easy part. The hard part is negotiating just how they will split the profit from equipment and monthly subscriptions." We've covered this before, but now it seems they are getting "more Sirius," or something.

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Sirously Gay (1)

CmdrTaco (troll) (578383) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649774)


  • fff

"the difficult part" (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649784)

I think the difficult part is neither the income sharing neither the technology. It's the antenna. Maybe Apple should come up with a sexy designer hat made of titanium that has the satellite antenna on top. That would kick ass.

Re:"the difficult part" (2, Funny)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649800)

Satellite antennas in my pocket scare me. I don't care how safe "they" say they are, I'd just rather not take my chances. And besides, I prefer XM to Sirius.

Re:"the difficult part" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649854)

correct me if im wrong, but isn't this a PASSIVE device? therefore it would be absolutely harmless no?

Re:"the difficult part" (2, Funny)

Murphy Murph (833008) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649862)

Satellite antennas in my pocket scare me. I don't care how safe "they" say they are, I'd just rather not take my chances.


I was going to post an insightful reply dispelling your unfounded fears.
I was going to post a funny reply making fun of your unfounded fears.

But, honestly, I'm so taken aback I don't even know where to begin.

Re:"the difficult part" (1)

n6mod (17734) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649922)

Too right.

I just tried to post and failed utterly.

Re:"the difficult part" (2)

David Gould (4938) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649933)


I guess we could begin by pointing out that there are two kinds of "satellite antennas" -- those that receive signals from satellites, and those that transmit signals to them -- and asking him to guess which would most likely be found in this device, and then to speculate as to how much radiation each kind emits.

Re:"the difficult part" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649878)

That's probably because you have never had either. I have experienced XM and Sirius and actually have two Sirius subscriptions. I think the stations are much better on Sirius.

Nice! (1)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649968)

Satellite antennas in my pocket scare me. I don't care how safe "they" say they are, I'd just rather not take my chances. And besides, I prefer XM to Sirius.

Great troll, man. That was a troll, right? Because you aren't honestly dumb enough to think a satellite receiver can give you cancer, are you?

Re:Nice! (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650053)

I'm just glad someone got it. Usually I get modded down as offtopic, flamebait, troll, or just overrated and nobody catches on.

Re:"the difficult part" (1)

Chosen Reject (842143) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649880)

Or they could just attach the antenna to the foil on everyone's hat...

Bemused (1)

jlebrech (810586) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649785)

What I would like is something similar to bemused, but not Symbian only. For example controling my hifi with a nintendo DS would be nifty.

maybe he should keep quiet (4, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649787)

I know he's just trying to make sirius look more viable since they seem to be losing out to XM, but shouldn't he consider Apple's general attitude towards not announcing stuff ahead of time and keep his mouth shut.

Re:maybe he should keep quiet (2, Interesting)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649901)

Sirius isn't "losing" anything.

Both companies are seeing their subscription numbers soar. XM's lead seems to have little more to do with anything except a head start. Both are seeing growth at similar rapid paces.

Re:maybe he should keep quiet (2, Informative)

Soporific (595477) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649903)

I doubt Sirius is going to be losing out to XM after Stern starts broadcasting there.

~S

Re:maybe he should keep quiet (1)

JPriest (547211) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650068)

That guy is still around? (j/k) On a sirius note though I widh they would spend more money on royalties though instead of either top 40s or no name stuff I have never heard of XM and Sirius suffer the same problem here.

Sirius losing to XM? I think not (4, Insightful)

BitterAndDrunk (799378) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649916)

Sirius signed a contract with Stern, who will be producing quite a few shows. The big question is will his listenership follow? If a large enough percentage of them do, Sirius stands poised to take the lead in the satellite market share race. Maybe a monster one.
Hooking up iPods with Sirius would be quite interesting . . . maybe an XM killer.

Re:Sirius losing to XM? Absofuckinglutley (1, Troll)

JWeinraub (773433) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650121)

I am a fan of Howard Stern but I really see Stern being a huge gamble on Sirius's part. Howard is really getting sick of broadcasting, and if Sirius doesn't tank before Howard gets on, I really cant see him finishing his 5 year contract. Even though I like Howard, I personally am going to be getting XM. Why? Because I think the company is better - I do not want to invest in a company that I think is going to tank.

more Sirius (1, Funny)

Barryke (772876) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649792)

"more Sirius"

that's the best wordplay on /. since januari 1970.

first I'd-rather-have-XM post (-1, Redundant)

Clockwurk (577966) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649793)

shit, blank comments don't work anymore

blank comments don't work anymore (1)

Barryke (772876) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649813)

lets prove that.

Battery Usage? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649797)

I wonder if this would suck up more battery... That seems to be one of the factors many people look at when buying these mp3 players.

Re:Battery Usage? (1)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649866)

Well, yeah, Apple products have so much good history with batteries and all.

Re:Battery Usage? (1)

moonbender (547943) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649966)

No, they haven't. But for what it's worth, the grandparent is correct in saying it's a factor when buying an MP3 player, and when I bought my iPod mini a few months back, it was the decisive one: the iPod mini had close to twice the battery life of the competing products.

Re:Battery Usage? (1)

FosterKanig (645454) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650133)

I'm gonna get you a ladder so this shit doesn't fly over your head all the time.

Gee...what a shocker. (0, Troll)

krausem (601587) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649798)

Greed over technology.

Sirius and Apple together - could be good... (3, Interesting)

raydobbs (99133) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649801)

As a subscriber to Sirius sat. radio AND an owner of Apple machines, I like the idea of being able to hear my favorite sat. radio stations on my iPod. Hopefully, the route they take will finally make that an affordable reality.

Re:Sirius and Apple together - could be good... (1)

NitsujTPU (19263) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649853)

You mean as a member of the niche market that they are pursuing, that you would like for this product to be released?

Yeah, me too :-), but I haven't the cash for such toys at the moment, being a poor grad student :-(

Re:Sirius and Apple together - could be good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649943)

That is, of course, if you can press a 'record' button on the iPod.

I'm sure someone will release a hack for that rather quickly.

Re:Sirius and Apple together - could be good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12650020)

I can't imagine this deal being in Apple's interests, though. It seems that when customers can listen to add-free sattelite radio, there may be less demand to buy songs off of the iTunes Music Store.

Let's Get Sirius Here... (4, Funny)

MisterLawyer (770687) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649802)

Gee, I don't think I've ever seen that incredibly hilarious pun anywhere [elvisnews.com] else... [autoblog.com]

Re:Let's Get Sirius Here... (3, Funny)

HillaryWBush (882804) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649909)

Pun? That was another misspelling in the submission.

iPod format (3, Interesting)

adamplas (808919) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649805)

How much would this change the format of the iPod? As far as I remember (which isn't much I must admit) satellite radios must require some sort of antenna to pick up the signal. Would a relatively bulky add-in be required to pick up the signal?

Re:iPod format (1)

mcmonkey (96054) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649890)

What form do satellite radio antennae take? If it fits into a wire like an FM antenna, could it be wired into the headphones?

Re:iPod format (1)

adamplas (808919) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649980)

I know that my dad's truck gets XM satellite radio, and the antenna seems pretty bulky on top of his cab so I'm not sure how small it could be. Also, in terms of running it through the headphones, would it work if a different set of headphones were used? I actually use an outboard headphone amp to power a set of AKG 271s headphones and I don't want to be limited to the iPod headphones.

Re:iPod format (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649981)

What form do satellite radio antennae take? If it fits into a wire like an FM antenna, could it be wired into the headphones?

The nondirectional Sirius antenna in my car is a small box about 2" square that mounts on the roof. My directional home antenna is a slightly bigger box that mounts on a window sill and tilts up to face the satellite.

I don't think a satellite radio antenna could be wired into headphones (without making them too bulky to wear). The portable satellite radio receivers I've seen don't look all that portable, really. It'll be interesting to see how they fit an antenna into the iPod.

Re:iPod format (1)

dewke (44893) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649991)

Look at the myfi http://www.xmradio.com/myfi/index.jsp [xmradio.com] for an example of what a portable satellite radio is like.

And yes the antennae can be part of the headphones.

Re:iPod format (2, Informative)

BladeRider (24966) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649962)

The xm radio MyFi/XM2Go portable sat system has a small antenna. Slightly larger than a Chapstick tube. I'm sure the sirius system would require something similar. And, like the home/auto version, it requires a clear shot to the southern sky or your reception suffers.

Jeff

The XM antenna (1)

wsanders (114993) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650033)

Is a small "patch" antenna that can be placed remotely from the receiver. It's about the same size as a deck of cards.

Reception seems to be possible indoors, with the antenna placed near a window, to about the same extent that you can get a lock on a similarly-placed GPS receiver.

My friends that have the units say they sometimes but don't always lose the signals going under highway bridges.

Podcasting link here? (5, Interesting)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649812)

Evidently Sirius will be teaming up with Mr. Adam Curry who helped to make podcasting famous (and could arguably be the "inventor" of podcasting).

This kind of a system may benefit both Sirius and Apple. Rather than trying to make some sort of Apple/Sirius bastard child, perform an Audible like system: subscribers to Sirius could get satellite shows and download them as podcasts as well automatically through iTunes, or do a "Sirius Lite" with delayed Podcast versions of shows available for a monthly fee (again, like Audible).

Apple sells more iPods (especially if they do it as an exclusive), Sirius would get more subscribers (heck, I've no interest in a satellite radio system, but I'd pay a small monthly service fee for good radio/music shows I could auto-sync to my iPod - key word "good"), and consumers - eh, I'll let individuals decide if its good for them or not.

Re:Podcasting link here? (1)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649838)

Er, bad note and I'm a horrible person, but I meant to write "Apple/Sirius iPod hybrid" instead of "bastard child". I hate it when my coworkers interrupt me in the middle of a post.... ;).

Re:Podcasting link here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649952)

"Bastard child" seems right to me.

It's not that easy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649815)

Satellite radio will drain the battery quicker than you can say "Steve Jobs".

What is Sirus? (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649817)

Seriously. I'm a Canadian and I've only "heard" about it on slashdot and other sites.

What is so great about it and is it available in Canada or outside of North America for that matter?

I would not want to pay extra for a feature on an iPod if it is useless when I travel to europe.

Re:What is Sirus? (4, Informative)

Humorously_Inept (777630) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649913)

The CRTC has not approved services like Sirius and XM in Canada yet, but expect to have either or both here soon. It's basically high quality digital, (largely) commercial-free, subscription-based radio programming.

I don't know that there's any technical reason why you couldn't receive satellite radio in Canada, but neither company will sell it to you. Likewise, if you're an American passing through Canada there's no reason why your satellite radio wouldn't work. I guess that reception in Europe and elsewhere would depend on how they have their satellites positioned and what kind of orbits they are in.

Re:What is Sirus? (1)

aonaran (15651) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649953)

CBC is campaigning to have a canadianized version of XM approved. (basically XM with some CanCon channels like CBC added to the list.)

So, yes, if CBC is pushing for it it will almost certainly make it across the border in the near future.

Re:What is Sirus? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649974)

You can already use XM illegally in Canada too.

Re:What is Sirus? (1, Flamebait)

Nimrangul (599578) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649956)

Are you so lazy that google defeats you?

That said, no, Sirius is not available outside the mainland United States.

Would you also not want to pay for your cable television because you cannot watch it when on another continent? This is a service, not a feature - you would have to subscribe to have access to Sirius Satellite Radio.

But this could all be easily understood already if you bothered to read in the first place.

Re:What is Sirus? (1)

dewke (44893) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650010)

Sad to say it would be worthless to you in Canada. Both XM and Sirius only broadcast to the US, although I've heard you can get signal on the borders.

Re:What is Sirus? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12650077)

Yeah, because there's a magical like that goes from the ground to the edge of the universe right along the Canadian border. No satellite transmissions or good beer can pass through it in either direction. Thankfully studies have shown that it doesn't effect marijuana, but only when heading southbound.

Has to be said... (-1, Troll)

JUSTONEMORELATTE (584508) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649822)

The difficult part would be getting music on either XM or Sirius that doesn't completely suck.

Re:Has to be said... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649848)

Surely it has to suck less than regular radio.

Re:Has to be said... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649851)

Mod Parent -1: sucks!

Re:Has to be said... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649894)

Yes, we all know that sattelites are in space, where it's a vacuum, making any sattelite radio service suck.

Re:Has to be said... (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650047)

Check out ItsOnSIRIUS [itsonsirius.com] for an up-to-the-minute list of what Sirius is currently playing, and a searchable log of what they've played in the past. Enter the name of a band you think doesn't suck, and I bet you'll find that Sirius plays them.

XM is done (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649828)

Let's face it, the scales were pretty even for XM and Sirius, but with Howard Stern going to Sirius all the weight goes to Sirius. They're selling units faster than they can make them. If an ipod+Sirius deal goes down, forget it, XM is finished.

Re:XM is done (1)

turk182x2001 (529188) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650096)

You are kidding right?? When was it even? XM just cleared 4 million subs, where is Sirius? and LOL at they are selling units faster than they can make them. Where did you hear that from? Must have been Howard himself. Or maybe Howard is the AC... Oh and O&A rule!

Great idea, what about execution? (1)

Paladin144 (676391) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649834)

"Generally, our current focus is on home entertainment," Whitworth told TMO.

This is a good idea. Get the technology to a robust place, and then worry about making it portable; of course, it's already in cars, but cars a lot bigger than iPods.

Overall, the idea is great. I'd love to have satellite radio in my iPod, I'm just not keen on paying for it. Also, will it drain more battery power than playing a song off the HD, or less?

If it's seemlessly built into the iPod, and the interface can be accessed from the iPod's screen I don't see anything holding this back except the monthly fee.... which is necessary to provide many stations commercial-free. I just wish there was another way.

Screw that (2, Insightful)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649839)

When is the iPod going to get a frickin' FM reciever?? One of the things that I hate about Steve Jobs is that if he doesn't like something, then NO ONE should be allowed to have it. He doesn't like FM, therefore no one should listen to FM.

Would it really be that hard to add a radio? And I don't want satellite radio. Sorry, Steve.

Ah well. If an iPod had radio, I might tempted to get one, and I've sworn a holy oath never to give Apple any of my money because of their business practices. :D

Re:Screw that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649895)

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity /eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-S tart?ProductSKU=SRFM97&Dept=audio&CategoryName=pa_ Walkman_RadioWalkman [sonystyle.com]

There. Alot cheaper than an iPod if you want shitty FM radio so bad.

Go listen to your Clear Channel

Re:Screw that (1)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649914)

I hate Sony almost as much as I hate Apple, so that one's out. :) But thanks, I already have one with FM.

Re:Screw that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649906)

Get an iRiver, they're better than iPods to begin with AND they have FM.

Re:Screw that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649939)

yeah, great... If an iPod had radio, I might tempted to get one tempted, huh? that really really means they should put an FM tuner in there just for you and maybe the very small amount of people who want to listen to radio on their ipods. yeah, people can claim NPR and all that, but come on now. 512MBs/1GB/20GB/30GB/60GB of music and you want to listen to radio?

Re:Screw that (1)

Kesh (65890) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649995)

When is the iPod going to get a frickin' FM reciever?? One of the things that I hate about Steve Jobs is that if he doesn't like something, then NO ONE should be allowed to have it. He doesn't like FM, therefore no one should listen to FM.

You've already got your answer. It's not going to happen as long as Steve has the final say-so.

That being said, there are third party add-ons which allow you to do exactly what you want: listen to FM on an iPod. The BTI Tunestir seems to be getting a lot of attention of late, though I don't have a link handy.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

You and three other people (2, Insightful)

Paradox (13555) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650043)

You are three other people do not a target demographic make.

It's not about adding features. If it were all about feature count, Netscape would be the best browser ever.

The iPod serves a simple purpose. It does it well, it is not ugly while doing it, and it is easy to use. Please do not suggest that FM radio would not further complicate the device, because it certainly would.

Besides, why would you want to listen to the utter crap which is today's ClearChannel dominated FM radio landscape? Do you not have enough advertisements and reptition in your life?

Ah well. If an iPod had radio, I might tempted to get one, and I've sworn a holy oath never to give Apple any of my money because of their business practices. :D
Yes. Darn them for trying to make money. Darn them for an excellent service record marred mostly by the intense expectations of their users (call Dell and complain that "your fans are too loud" and expect to be taken seriously. I dare you)! Darn them for being so... so... successful! Here at Slashdot, we don't take kindly to success.

But you know what? keep your iPod money. I'm pretty sure Apple can cope with the loss.

He spoke to EVERYONE, not just Apple (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649850)

From TFA:

said the company has "had discussions with everyone," including makers of cell phones, digital music players and other devices.

It wasn't just Apple, its just a generalized thing

Let Me Summarize the "Negotiations" (5, Funny)

Cr0w T. Trollbot (848674) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649856)

Sirrus: Please, please put us in the iPod!

Steve Jobs: Nope.

Sirrus: I'll be your friend!

Steve Jobs: Nope.

Sirrus: If you don't put us in the iPod, I'll sign an exclusive deal with RealPlayer!

(pause)

Sirrus & Steve Jobs: AHAHAHAHH!

Sirrus: That's a good one. But seriously, how about putting us in the iPod?

Steve Jobs: Nope.

-Crow T. Trollbot

Ipod plus Sat radio (2, Funny)

eclectro (227083) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649857)

Equals battery time of about three minutes. Now we know that Apple would not sell such a device, so that must mean that they have developed a nuke-battery pack that can last a couple of hours.

This advancement in batteries is the breakthrough the planet earth has been waiting for. I hope Steve gets a Nobel for it.

What's also amazing is how Apple has been able to keep it under wraps and out of the blogs for so long.

Re:Ipod plus Sat radio (1)

n6mod (17734) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649998)

No joke. My Blaupunkt SR04 runs *hot*. Unless there's a new chipset with drastically lower power consumption, a Sirius iPod is going to require an RTG.

Not a bad idea (1)

phaetonic (621542) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649859)

The first idea that comes to mind is the ability to have Sirius capabilities in your car using an iPod to tape adapter, Sirius at work, gym, home, fishing, everywhere. Then when radio starts sucking, switch over to MP3s in the same device. Very cool if the subscription price is the same.

Re:Not a bad idea (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650005)

The first idea that comes to mind is the ability to have Sirius capabilities in your car using an iPod to tape adapter, Sirius at work, gym, home, fishing, everywhere.

You can already do this with a plug'n'play Sirius tuner. Pop the tuner out of your car dock and into your home dock, then into your boom box dock for camping, and into the car dock on your boat for fishing.

Pressure (1)

Humorously_Inept (777630) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649860)

Perhaps pressure from mobile phone manufacturers prompted Jobs to take Sirius a little more siriusly. iPod's cool but let's face it, it's main selling point is cachet. Apple needs to look into expanding iPod's repertoire now that serious competition is just around the corner in an integrated device like the Nokia N91, which offers multiformat music playback with on the fly purchasing and download, web browsing, telephony, messaging, PDA functionality, gaming, etc.

How about an FM receiver? (1)

binarstu (720435) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649871)

Sattelite radio on the iPod would indeed be cool, but I'd much rather see FM radio first. Lots of competing products have it, and it's a pretty nifty feature that is free to use, unlike satellite radio. And Apple wouldn't have to worry about splitting profits with anyone else.

Star (1)

kamukwam (652361) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649884)

Sirius, the brightest star in the northern hemisphere! Finally ET has landed and contacted Apple. The iPod will be the first product to be sold extraterrestrially!
Wait and see!
Now directly from Sirius: ETPod!

Soof! (2, Funny)

spirit_fingers (777604) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649885)

I'll be so happy if Apple's macsot, Moof! the cow dog, finally gets a playmate. He hasn't had much to do since OS X was released.

Obligatory H2G2 reference (1)

ettlz (639203) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649904)

Wasn't this the company with the marketing department comprising a bunch of jerks who were first against the wall when the revolution came?

Podcasting. (3, Insightful)

demonic-halo (652519) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649912)

Since Sirrus has lots of Satallite Radio channels. Maybe Apple can sell Podcasts of Sirrus radio channels to iTunes 4.9 users.

Not quite satallite radio, but a neat way of delievering quality content to iPods.

This way people could copy yesterday's episode of Howard Stern to their iPod, and listen to it inside an underground bunker with no outside communication.

Sound quality? (4, Interesting)

SamMichaels (213605) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649917)

Aside from having to strap an antenna on your head to use this (you'll know what I mean if you've ever used any portable satellite radio), the awful and somewhat embarrassing sound quality will be VERY noticeable when it's played right beside actual CD quality audio. It's gotten so bad with both Sirius and XM that normal non-nerds are complaining about it.

Most of the time you ignore it...but going from a track ripped in Apple lossless format to satellite radio will be like jumping back 10 years in technology.

Re:Sound quality? (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650028)

the awful and somewhat embarrassing sound quality will be VERY noticeable when it's played right beside actual CD quality audio. It's gotten so bad with both Sirius and XM that normal non-nerds are complaining about it.

Are they? I'm pretty nerdy, and I haven't noticed any SQ problems with Sirius. Of course, since Sirius dynamically reallocates bitrate to the channels that need it most at any given moment (S-PLEX), the sound quality can vary from time to time. Sounds like you either have a problem with your audio setup, or you tuned in at just the wrong time.

Re:Sound quality? (1, Insightful)

SamMichaels (213605) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650061)

or you tuned in at just the wrong time.

I love this Microsoft-centric way of thinking. With XP, you only have to reboot once every 7 days and reinstall once every 9 months! The sound quality should be CD quality (since that's what they advertise) ALL the time.

Regardless, my point is that it's absolutely obvious of the quality difference when played directly after actual CD quality sound.

Re:Sound quality? (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650103)

I love this Microsoft-centric way of thinking.

Wow, that came out of nowhere. Does your knee always jerk this much?

The sound quality should be CD quality (since that's what they advertise) ALL the time.

No, that's not what they advertise. Close to CD quality, maybe (and it is much closer than FM), but I've never heard Sirius claim they actually provided CD quality sound. Do you have a link to an example of this claim?

iPod vs all comers (1)

SnprBoB86 (576143) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649919)

I own an Archos Gmini 200 [archos.com] and love it. The 20GB model was cheaper and physically smaller than the 20GB model iPod, and it works nearly as well. The only reasons I'd ever really want an iPod is 1) if I suddenly developed a fear of being considered un-trendy and 2) for that touch wheel! The Gmini has a nice music library and everything, but it is sometimes a pain to scroll through it (you have to hold the little nub down and wait for it to accelerate).

Lacking the easy scrolling is not a tragedy, but not having access to my large collection of wma files is. Yea, I know.. slaughter me for using wma over mp3 or ogg, but all of my legally owned music is ripped into variable bit rate wma files which sound great and are smaller than Mp3s.

I can't really see the addition of Syrius to the iPod really giving me or anyone else a reason to switch if they can deal with my two points mentioned above. People with large HD mp3 players have lots of their own music. Maybe if you could press a button and download a song off the satellite (and then actually manage to get them off of your iPod)....

"Getting Sirius" (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649925)

How do you sleep at night, CowboyNeal?

XM + Sirius (1)

1967mustangman (883255) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649926)

So they are not merging with XM I take it? At least not for now? Maybe they are trying to get themselves to look more juicy to XM and get a higher price?

What Would JabberKatz(tm) Say? (-1)

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Price? (2, Insightful)

PipOC (886408) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649934)

Attaching a sattelite radio devie is going to mean at the very least a $50 price bump. The iPods price is already ridiculous enough.

XM/Ipod would be killer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12649978)

I do a lot of boating and as such spend long periods of time just "hanging out" over a weekend listening to music. The progression of most of my peeps has been from the cd changer to the MP3 CD Player, and now to the IPod for long periods of uniterrupted music. A lot of folks have gotten XM/Sirius to get commercial free music too. An IPod/Satellite radio would definately be a "two birds with one stone" product - even better if you can record radio onto the Ipod.

Good for Apple, okay for Sirius (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 9 years ago | (#12649984)

This seems like better news for Apple than for Sirius. The boom in iPod sales, while not over yet by any means, isn't what it was six months ago (where inventory was hard to keep). Adding a new feature not present in any current iPod means that a sizable part of the satellite radio market becomes Apple customers as well (even if they already have an iPod or three).

But Sirius, fundamentally as a subscription service, is most likely going to sell a similar number of subscriptions regardless of whether the thing works like an iPod as well.

In fact, there is one feature that would decide whether Sirius (or XM, for that matter) would benefit from packaging their service with the iPod: Can you use the iPod to record from satellite radio and play it back later?

but will it work wih my (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12650000)

tinfoil hat?

That amused me (0)

Cecil (37810) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650013)

We've covered this before, but now it seems they are getting "more Sirius," or something.

CowboyNeal, I love you.

More accurate title would be ... (1, Insightful)

EvilMagnus (32878) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650025)

"Sirius fishing for anyone willing to partner with them to sell more stuff."

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Sounds like a great idea to me. (0, Redundant)

mcc (14761) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650037)

I am not really so interested in a personal MP3 player. I think I must be the only person in my market demographic who is not.

But... a combination portable hard drive and satellite radio player? That sounds much more interesting. Include some kind of PVR-like ability to record satellite radio shows to iPod and dump them into iTunes later, and holy crap, I'm there.

Terrific! (2, Funny)

nolaf (740823) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650049)

I hope they agree on something soon and get the technology to us.

Hoo hoo .. I invented the iPod.. tell 'em Fred (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12650056)

Down in Washington I used to have listeners tie a bandana around their ipods to get women to take their clothes off ...

O&A Party Rock XM202

tro'll (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12650086)

W00t its readers and it transforms into the numbers. The surprise to the And Micha3l Smith Most. Look at the the above is far the political mess

How would this affect the Radio streams in iTunes? (2)

theurge14 (820596) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650091)

If you're going to put the ability to tune into Sirius on an iPod, why not go all the way and put the streaming radio stations from iTunes onto the iPod? Or even Shoutcast stations (which work in iTunes)?

Don't get locked in (1)

slapout (93640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650097)

If they do sign a deal, Apple should make sure it's non-exclusive. That way, if they don't like the way Sirus treats them, they can always talk to XM.

Mindless jerks (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12650098)

Sirius? Bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes, if you ask me.

First rule about talking with Steve Jobs (3, Funny)

cosmicrob (577842) | more than 9 years ago | (#12650112)

..is that you *don't talk about talking with Steve Jobs* seriously.. it pisses him off.

Can I be the first? "NO THANKS" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12650126)

I like the fact that my iPod isn't trying to irradiate me every living second, akin to my cellphone.

How about a useful PIM suite? Jesus christ.

NO THANKS STEVE-O
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