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More Details on IE7 Tabs

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the getting-with-the-program dept.

Internet Explorer 350

GraemeDonaldson writes "Another member of the IE dev team, Tony Schreiner, has revealed details of IE7's tabbed browsing implementation including the fact that the user will retain control over how tabs are handled." From the post: "Regarding script, there is no "target='_tab'" feature or any direct access to tabs from script beyond what is available with multiple windows today. We are working on balancing the default behavior for whether a window opened from script opens as in a new frame or a tab. Currently, windows that have been customized, such as hiding a toolbar or making the window non-resizable, will default to opening in their own standalone frame, whereas ordinary pop-up windows will open in a new foreground tab. CTRL-clicking and middle-clicking links will open those links in a background tab."

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middle-click (3, Informative)

nocomment (239368) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660514)

A touch off-topic but...Just for clicks I tested middle-click in safari and sure enough it opened a new tab. nice

Re:middle-click (1)

ral315 (741081) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660525)

Not sure about Opera, but Firefox shows this behavior as well.

Re:middle-click (3, Informative)

Toad McFrog Esq. (850532) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660576)

Yes, Opera opens a back ground tab with middle click as well. Also, both Firefox and Opera allow you to close a tab with a single middle click.

Re:middle-click (1)

archos (601260) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660653)

Depends on settings. Can choose to open a new page (tab), open page in background, new window, do nothing... Like pretty much everything in opera, it's up to you how you want the broweser to work.

Customization is one of the biggest strengths of the this less know browser. But it's what keeps this Linux user paying for this sweet program.

Re:middle-click (1)

pomo monster (873962) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660694)

Not in the vanilla Mac port, it doesn't. Fortunately, there's a PPC-optimized compile that does make middle-click work; it's available here [mac.com] .

Me? I use Safari.

Re:middle-click (5, Funny)

ravenspear (756059) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660570)

What is this middle click you speak of? I've been using Safari for a while but I can't test this because I don't see any buttons to "click" on my mouse.

Re:middle-click (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660609)

You have to smash it open, because it's in the middle.

Re:middle-click (2, Informative)

Kesh (65890) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660629)

If you have a mouse with a middle-button or a scroll-wheel, clicking that button down tells Safari "open this link in a new tab."

If you don't have a mouse with those features, just hold down Option when you click, and it'll do the same thing.

Re:middle-click (2, Informative)

pomo monster (873962) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660668)

In a hurry to post? :-) Option is the shortcut to download the link, actually. To open it in a new tab, you want to command-click.

Re:middle-click (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660687)

YHBT...

Re:middle-click (2, Funny)

nocomment (239368) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660658)

Get a new mouse ;)

Re:middle-click (2, Funny)

sim82 (836928) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660641)

Just out of interest: last time I checked, macs only had what I would consider a middle mouse button. So how do you open a link not in a new tab?

Re:middle-click (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660695)

Lots of people have three-button mice on their macs.

I've actually become something of a convert, and I don't really like right-click anymore. But I'd kill if someone took my mousewheel away.

Re:middle-click (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660711)

Very funny, fuckface.

Re:middle-click (2, Informative)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660712)

You can use the CTRL and Apple buttons while hitting the mouse button to simulate the same effect as a middle click or a right click. Or just attach any old 3 button USB mouse. I've got a Logitech Marble trackball on my PowerMac at work and it works fine.

Re:middle-click (1)

pomo monster (873962) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660756)

Argh! Control's for contextual menus, actually, if you're into that kind of wacky thing. Also, the "Apple" key is what any self-respecting Mac user would call the "command" key.

This guy [img226.echo.cx] is a self-hating Mac user, but he still gets the girl. Just imagine if you were a self-respecting one.

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660517)

First tabbed post, you worthless bastards.

Re:FP (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660536)

I failed. Beaten by an Apple zealot as well. The shame of it.

sounds like... (5, Funny)

torrents (827493) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660521)

someone's been using firefox!!!

Re:sounds like... (2, Informative)

DanteLysin (829006) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660537)

Firefox was not the first browser to use tabbed browsing. I love Firefox too, but they folks there didn't invent tabbed browsing.

Re:sounds like... (1, Insightful)

torrents (827493) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660550)

fair enough, but firefox is the first browser in a long time to threaten m$ft's monopoly... so "their" features are being "borrowed"

Re:sounds like... (1, Offtopic)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660597)


Yes - but Firefox's market share is already limiting MS's options. Note how they say there will be no target=tab function.

Well they can't really, can they? Six years ago they would have re-written HTML without a care, added in any proprietary features they liked and declared that any rival product was broken. But now they have to ensure compatability.

MS going down.

Re:sounds like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660813)

Oh please -- target="_tab" won't be implemented because it is a retarded idea. MS would have no problem extending HTML to do something they want to do.

Re:sounds like... (2, Insightful)

lphuberdeau (774176) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660572)

Middle-click or ctrl-click... yep... Mozilla (I don't like firefox!) has the exact same behavior. They should have used a different keystroke, the copy wouldn't have been so obvious.

Re:sounds like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660618)

And FF shouldn't have used shift-click to open new windows because they're copying MS, and of course ctrl-v and ctrl-c should never be used for copy/paste because it blatant copying.
Of course they used middle-click, it's what many tab browsers use (and thus what users expect) and it works.

Re:sounds like... (1)

InfiniteWisdom (530090) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660795)

Out of curiosity, why do you prefer Mozilla over firefox?

Boooooooring! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660540)

Man. This is so ridiculous. I couldn't care less if the IE team would copy the exact behaviour of 4 year old tech. Oh wait...

Re:Boooooooring! (5, Insightful)

rpozz (249652) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660565)

Not trolling here, but haven't they already lost all the people who would actually care about tabs? Anyone who wanted tabs on their web browser would be using Firefox/Opera by now.

Re:Boooooooring! (2, Funny)

Absolut187 (816431) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660589)

I want tabs, and Im using IE right now.

I don't use "alternative" browsers because I don't want to deal with sites that don't work properly with them.

I find the security in IE is not that bad.
I have general internet settings set really strict, and I have to add a site to trusted list to make it work.

Re:Boooooooring! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660616)

I want tabs, and Im using IE right now.

I don't use "alternative" browsers because I don't want to deal with sites that don't work properly with them.

I find the security in IE is not that bad. I have general internet settings set really strict, and I have to add a site to trusted list to make it work.

This message brought to your the Church of $cientology. Please send your checks, and may the Org be with you.

Re:Boooooooring! (2, Insightful)

DanteLysin (829006) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660648)

As a user of both Firefox and IE, tabbed browsing would still be welcome.

At work, I use a host of applications that require IE. Some may have the opinion, "well, they must not be good apps". Hoever, there are plenty of high end applications that offer more functionality in IE than in Firefox or alternate browsers.

Re:Boooooooring! (1)

ajayvb (657479) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660741)

The browser wars are by no means over. If IE gets better, it means there will be competition for better features. And as for users switching, it won't take much for them to switch back if *gasp* IE does some things they need better. Tabs are neat, and once everyone has them, there will be other turfs to fight battles on. The consumer wins, doesn't he? Competition from FF forced MS to start work on fixing IE. And some neat feature in IE might mean it will appear in Firefox,Safari or any other browsers.
Disclosure: I work on contract for MS.

Gewtywt! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660556)

Willy on Wheels!

The Cat got my tongue... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660558)

I wonder if microsoft let him tell this to the public... I can just see his boss getting all mad at him after reading about it on slashdot. Oh wait. never mind that wont happen.

Microsoft innovation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660559)

Yesterday's features tommorrow - but with bugs.

no more ie7 tab news! (5, Insightful)

whysanity (231556) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660563)

enough about tabs! as a web developer here's topics i'd like to hear about:
  • correct implementation of box model
  • support for png alpha transparency
  • full support for css2
  • support for application/xhtml+xml mime type
let's worry about the back end before we do anything with the front end

Re:no more ie7 tab news! (1)

wallykeyster (818978) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660647)

enough about tabs!

This is perhaps a little OT but I do share the parent's frustration with so much focus on tabs in IE. I converted to Firefox on 1.0.2 and I've never looked back. I love it and only use IE (at home or work) for a few ActiveX-only sites. However, I could take or leave tabbed browsing. I stay with Firefox because of the wonderful extensions and better pop-up blocking.

Re:no more ie7 tab news! (5, Insightful)

Chromodromic (668389) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660684)

Amen, brother.

I mean, don't we already have great browsers with tabs? I'm using one right now. All this news about tabs in IE is a little like Ford announcing a new product: a gas-powered, horseless carriage which will convey any number up to four passengers at a high rate of speed and without all the hassle horses require!

"Yay," yells the crowd! "And it will run over standard roads, too, won't it?"

"Standard roads? Oh, now let's not get carried away, son! No, SPECIAL roads will be required because, um, because, oh! Because ours is a SPECIAL vehicle, so we need SPECIAL roads and we'll build them and charge a minimal toll."

"Fuck you!" yells the crowd! Microsoft won't lend full support to CSS2 because they claim it's a flawed specification, which, of course, is true, in the sense that revenue model for Microsoft was not built into it.

To hell with this. I'm going to switch from Firefox because IE finally got tabbed browsing? Yawn. I have Maxthon installed and I *still* use Firefox.

It doesn't matter what they do (1)

madaxe42 (690151) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660763)

Joe user won't upgrade until he gets a new machine.

Re:no more ie7 tab news! (1)

NatteringNabob (829042) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660800)

Me Too. Wake me up when the IE team decides to make IE 100% standard compliant. Now that would be news.

Re:no more ie7 tab news! (1)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660831)

>> full support for css2

Haha! That's a good one. Oh what a character.

Adblock? (5, Insightful)

wallykeyster (818978) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660566)

I look forward to how Microsoft will respond to the recent challenge to their browser dominance, but anything short of Adblock for IE will keep me with Firefox. I can't believe how much nicer the Internet is with Firefox and this single extension.

Re:Adblock? (2, Informative)

packetl0ss (887279) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660592)

I can't believe how much nicer the Internet is with Firefox and this single extension.
and a nice adblock filterset [geocities.com] .

Re:Adblock? (1)

wallykeyster (818978) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660734)

and a nice adblock filterset.

Actually, I created mine as I went, used nothing complicated (wildcards but no regular expressions), have less than 20 rules, and I rarely see an ad. I have not tried to block text ads or small, out-of-the way ads; I'm really only after the annoying inline and banner ads.

Re:Adblock? (1)

Omnieiunium (872399) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660752)

That site is amazing. I don't even know what a "ad" is anymore. However, I would like to see somebody figure out how to open links in tabs. That would be so much easier then making it open in a new window.

Re:Adblock? (1)

kryptkpr (180196) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660825)

It's called Single Window mode.

See here [mozdev.org] .

Re:Adblock? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660634)

Most users would have no idea how to use it.

Re:Adblock? (1)

wallykeyster (818978) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660697)

Most users would have no idea how to use it.

And they don't have to. Firefox doesn't include Adblock, but the ability to integrate custom extensions permitted someone to create it. Considering that it is the second-most popular extension on the mozilla site (over 900,000 downloads), it appears a few users know how to use it and they like it.

Re:Adblock? (1)

Storlek (860226) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660776)

Remember Microsoft products are used by tons of other companies, many of which happen to have or sell ad space -- if IE added adblock, I imagine it would create quite a stir.

MS SuckS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660567)

But, pray tell, what are their latest move? I can't live without knowing what they're doing so I can chant my "MS SuckS" mantra at every possible occasion.

Tabs in IE7? (5, Interesting)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660578)

IIRC, didn't MS say that tabs really weren't a useful feature in browsers? It was back when SP2 was being released. People were asking many questions to MS whether SP2 would add tabbed browsing and MS said tabs weren't all that useful in browsers.

Re:Tabs in IE7? (2, Insightful)

rpozz (249652) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660603)

From the article, the guy claims it was quite a bit of trouble to implement tabs for a few different reasons. I imagine that they couldn't get it ready for SP2, and they just made an excuse.

Re:Tabs in IE7? (2, Insightful)

simetra (155655) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660619)

Yeah, and they said they didn't want to use them because they would confuse users. But now, it sounds like they'll have a combo of pop-up windows, and tabs! What's the point of having tabs if you still have your pop-up windows?

Re:Tabs in IE7? (2, Interesting)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660624)

I used to think the same.
Now that I use them, I hate using plain IE.

Slight side issue, I keep on middle clicking on the little program tabs at the bottom of my screen and cursing when they don't open or close as expected.

Do any of the OS's offer middle button support for general things, or is it mainly restricted to browser functionality?

Re:Tabs in IE7? (1)

Storlek (860226) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660819)

Sure, there's lots of functionality on the middle mouse button, at least in *nix. Many applications use middle click to paste the contents of the clipboard. Nautilus [gnome.org] uses it to open a folder and close the current window (in spatial mode), and several window managers bind various window operations to a middle click on the titlebar.

You are correct (4, Funny)

Eternally optimistic (822953) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660796)

And MS still believes they are not very useful, except they can add bloat. That's why they are now needed.

Re:Tabs in IE7? (1)

man_of_mr_e (217855) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660814)

No, Microsoft believed (and probably still does) that tabs violate their design guidelines. However, tabs have been requested by so many people that they seem to have relented.

Of course other products (even other MS products) use tabs, such as Excel, but in that case the tabs are keeping related items organized (as do tabbed dialogs). MS has been pushing an SDI interface for almost 10 years for discrete work items (Different documents in Word, for instance) and MDI for related items (code files in Visual Studio, for instance).

Tabbed browsing is news? (-1, Offtopic)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660590)

Please.

And they rejected the geek's Holy Grail:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4579681.stm [bbc.co.uk]

Re:Tabbed browsing is news? (1)

whitehatlurker (867714) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660649)

And they rejected the geek's Holy Grail:

Charisma [charisma-carpenter.com] is the Holy Grail?

Re:Tabbed browsing is news? (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660730)

Mmmmmmmm.

On that note, have you read the DaVinci code?

LMFAO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660596)

From TFA "Keeping the User in Control"

That's why I left IE for Firefox.

Do more in one window (5, Funny)

quickbasicguru (886035) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660598)

Now you can do all of this in one window:
1)Download Spyware
2)Download Adware
3)Download More Malware
4)Download your P0rn
5)Take a picture of yourself online.

I am happy Microsoft is interested in tabs. (3, Funny)

sllim (95682) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660599)

All the old security problems were starting to bore me. Now I can look forward to an entire new set of problems.
Just think this time next year we will be griping about things like 'hijacked tabs' and such.

Cant run IE 7 even if i wanted too. (5, Interesting)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660600)

My windows machine is 2000. And since microsoft no longer supports me, i dont get any new features. ( or bugs ).

This isnt a 'me' post, there are a *lot* of people and businesses that have no plans to goto XP ( or server 2003 ) in the near future.

Re:Cant run IE 7 even if i wanted too. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660758)

What little I do with MS is also W2K. If they ever get a multiuser version going, I might upgrade but there's no compelling reason to run XP or whatever the latest is just to use IE7. Sure Mozilla-Firefox is a bit slow to start up, but on the linux box it stays up for weeks ;-)

Re:Cant run IE 7 even if i wanted too. (1)

Storlek (860226) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660834)

This isnt a 'me' post, there are a *lot* of people and businesses that have no plans to goto XP ( or server 2003 ) in the near future.

--
---- Me Me Me. That is all that matters ----


Your statement and signature are incongruent.

Competition Fostering Innovation (2, Insightful)

AntsInMyPants (819105) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660602)

Looks like customers win here. Maybe Firefox wasn't the first to ever do multiple tabs, but their popularity spurred MS to do something to make their own browser better. Once customers start seeing other features in Firefox that aren't in IE and start complaining they will be (slowly) added. Competition works! But of course we already knew that....

Re:Competition Fostering Innovation (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660749)

And that's been the problem with Microsoft. They've managed to obtain a near monopoly, and no matter how often Billy Gates spouted the word "innovation" it hasn't been until open source really started putting pressure on them that we're saying improvements. Left to their own devices, I'm quite sure Microsoft wouldn't have updated IE for another few years. Why would they have? They'd all but killed Netscape and Opera and Mozilla were bit players. Now they've seen, considering how long they've dominated the browser market, a major slip.

Wooo (5, Funny)

billieja2 (848397) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660610)

This core functionality is largely catch-up to other browsers which support tabs, but a necessary foundation for future work.

Atleast they acknowledge it finally.

An interesting opinion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660614)

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/4658/ [neoseeker.com]

I agree with him. Firefox is quite slow. A multi-threaded IE on a HyperThreaded/dual-core processor will surely perform like a beast ...

Re:An interesting opinion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660755)

You are a bit of a tit aren't you? IE is multi-threaded anyway. All that spyware being downloaded concurrently.....

New features creating bugs in old features? (4, Informative)

goneutt (694223) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660631)

Okay, I'll admitt that I use IE. And I know it's full of bugs and glitches. Most of which I never see.

Since the tabs have been a function used in other web browsers for some time, the new mass deployment will give new reason to abuse users tabs by hijack-sites, hackers, and other undesirables. I know they say there are no commands to control tabs, but that doesn't mean they aren't tamper proof.

In esscence, will IE's incorporation of common features lead to bugs (or flaws) being found in other browsers.

tabbed browsing and window management (4, Interesting)

cryptoz (878581) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660632)

One of the main reasons I stay away from Windows is the extremely poor window management. Hence the reason I'm using GNOME with six virtual desktops. And I can have dozens of web pages open and still take only one spot on my bottom panel.

My point is that "tabbed browsing" is not a god-like feature. It's just something that helps with a user's window management (the ability to be able to have a bunch of web pages open at one time without making a huge mess is NOT a web browser problem, it's an entire usability issue for the whole machine).

Yes, I know there are attempts at virtual desktops in Windows, but they all suck. I've tried them. They're either too slow, don't work properly (ie, they leave the minimized windows on the task bar the entire time...I don't get how thatworks).

Re:tabbed browsing and window management (1)

billieja2 (848397) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660676)

I use windows I just wish they'd develop a half decent virtual desktop manager... i'd be so much happier.

Re:tabbed browsing and window management (1)

DanteLysin (829006) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660692)

>

I'm not sure if you tried this, but there is a Virtual Desktop Manager for Windows XP.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/power toys/xppowertoys.mspx [microsoft.com]

I used to use one back in Windows 98 days ... vdesk I think. Wish I could remember. Brain doesn't work well on a Friday night.

Re:tabbed browsing and window management (1)

cryptoz (878581) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660822)

As it happens, yes I have tried that one. It's horrible. I stand by my previous point.

Re:tabbed browsing and window management (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660809)

Multiple desktops is the one thing I simply couldn't live without any more. I'm pretty much a dedicated Fluxbox user nowadays, and the ease of flipping between desktops makes my life a helluva lot easier. I go work on a Windows box and it just drives me nuts.

Monopoly (4, Insightful)

Jesus IS the Devil (317662) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660640)

No Thanks. Microsoft is full of crap. They sit around and do NOTHING for the past 3-4 years (since they slaughtered Netscape). And now that finally there's competition they get off their lazy a$$es and steal other people's ideas once again.

M$ gets no respect from me.

Re:Monopoly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660703)

Just a question ... who's ideas did they steal? -- Because it sure as hell wasn't the Mozilla Foundation's.

Re:Monopoly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660704)

I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

Re:Monopoly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660715)

> M$ gets no respect from me.

You weren't perchance looking for respect yourself, were you? Don't hold your breath waiting or anything. Just so you know.

Good ol' M$ (2, Interesting)

cataclyst (849310) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660654)

Glad to see that M$ is taking the time to address the REAL concerns facing it. Like how to emulate the UI of better software without that whole originality concept getting in the way. Maybe it'll even be impressive enough for some of the potential end users to forget why people started switching away from IE in the first place: the security holes bigger than -[insert 'yo mama' joke here]- worst...priorites...EVER...

I'd like to see comparison notes (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660667)

I'd like to see comparison notes with Firefox. Any slashdot hacker/software-engineer care to elaborate how the Firefox team has handled some of the issues this IE engineer has raised?

Rip Off! (2, Insightful)

Entropy248 (588290) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660698)

This is totally a rip-off (from the user standpoint) of standard Firefox behavior. Nice innovation. But, they didn't mention the ability to drag tabs around (to change the order) though.

It also seems like they are quite sincere in catching up fully in the browser feature race. Now IE will have a pop-up blocker and tabs. Sounds a lot like we again have a nearly identical major feature set as a neat bulleted list for marketing. Plus, IE will forever have a faster start-up time (by cheating).

We need to stay ahead in features to stay competitive. We need more features to watch porn more efficiently!

I'd prefer they fixed their rendering (4, Interesting)

bluGill (862) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660700)

I know tabs are the killer that takes users from IE, but I'd prefer they work on their rendering. Their CSS doesn't work.

We make all our sites to work in Konqueror now, and only minor tweaking is needed for Firefox and safari. Easy enough, all are so close to the standard that there is little difficulty. IE doesn't work. We have to spend three times the effort to make it work in IE without breaking the rest. (We have chosen to not detect IE and give you a different page. I'm still not sure about the wisdom of that)

Typical Microsoft though, make it look nice, who cares if it works right so long as the users don't know.

Re:I'd prefer they fixed their rendering (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660794)

Isn't the idea of standards compliant browsing to eliminate the need for making even minor tweaks to the codebase?

I might be a bit of an idealist, but a standard isn't a standard if it must be tweaked for everyone.

Where is the difference/ (1)

incuso (747340) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660705)

As a subject, where is the innovation? I do not think MS will simply copycat other browser.

M.

doesn't work for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660708)

Lynx isn't showing anything out of the ordinary.

Innovative? No (2, Funny)

DrIdiot (816113) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660720)

I'm sure that Microsoft will sell IE7 as "cutting edge" software, especially since those ideas were implemented by TBE in Firefox before IE7 was even considered.

"Did you hear about the new IE7? It has tabs, that's like, totally, new technology. Only Bill Gates could come up with something so genius!"

Re:Innovative? No (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660823)

Oh give it a rest. There's been a lot of ripping off, all right, but it's always been Firefox doing the ripping. Tabbed browsing was stolen from Opera. The Google search bar? Ripped from Safari. Indeterminate progress indicator? Ripped from Mac OS X. Toolbar rearrangement dialog? Also ripped from OS X. It just never stops. Stealing and gloating and on and on and on.

I can't think of a single user interface innovation from open source software, and Firefox in particular.

Why? (1, Flamebait)

bit01 (644603) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660728)

Why is a minor detail of a closed source, unhackable software product that isn't even released yet a front page story on slashdot?

M$ advertising wastes enough of our time already without giving it away.

This is quite clearly a marketing move by M$ to create mindshare for when the new M$IE version is released and I for one am sick of such manipulation.

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Keep your options open!

YAWN (1)

Dakisha (526733) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660751)

Opera has had this for as long as I can remember.. Middle click for open in background - shift-click for foreground. Ctrl-shift click for open in background if you want a keyboard version.

And besides.. Why is this news anyway? Wow, IE can do what all the other browsers have had for ages.

Let me guess.... (1)

pg110404 (836120) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660753)

Tabs are going to confuse most users for some unknown reason, but due to popular demand, IE7 will finally have them?

Wow.

But on an aside, will they be using that mentality and implementing them in a similar way as others, or will microsoft go their own way again as usual and set their own standard which they will try to force everyone to adhere to and firefox and the likes will be forced to implement something similar?

it doesn't make sense (1)

microbee (682094) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660784)

I don't understand the complexity. Maxthon can do it so well, why is it difficult to do in IE7? If it's because building sth on top of IE is easier than changing IE itself, then build something on top of IE and call that something IE. I find what the blog said completely hard to comprehend.

Re:it doesn't make sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660815)

What is the fetish with Maxthon. I was using tabbed browsing back in 1999 with Netcaptor.

Wow! IE's getting tabs! Holy crap!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660785)

Now that's news! It was exciting beyond all belief the first time, and it just keeps getting more exciting every time you post news about this. If it isn't too much to ask, do you guys think you could keep us current on every time Bill Gates pulls his briefs out of his ass crack, too? Thanx! Great job!

QUICK! Patent tabbed browsing (1)

ZeroExistenZ (721849) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660787)

If they patent the "middle click to open a tab" and the "control click to open a tab" the OpenSource community can so own M$

what a great idea!! (2, Insightful)

Some_Llama (763766) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660788)

"whereas ordinary pop-up windows will open in a new foreground tab. "

Hmm, how about ordinary pop up windows not opening AT ALL!?!?

I have just started using Firefox and I love how most pop-ups are blocked, and the ones that do happen to pop thru open in a new Background window so they are easily killed...

from TFA:
"We are working on balancing the default behavior for whether a window opened from script opens.."

How about let me choose what behavior I want from my browser instead of making all of these "defaults" which I will end up changing anyway because they are usually the less intuitive choice. sheesh.. i'll just stick with Firefox.

Side note, since changing to Firefox, my 4 home systems which my family uses (that used to fill up with spyware weekly) have been running spyware free now for 2 weeks. Thanks Mozilla...

Tabs? Got'em Already! (1)

slappycakes (714339) | more than 9 years ago | (#12660799)

Check-out http://www.microgarden.com/webtools/index.htm [microgarden.com] They've been available for some time. I would like to see a more innovative approach to web browsing. Now that would be worthy of posting!

So... reading the comments here, Microsoft sucks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12660829)

Because they copied the idea of tabs from other browsers? I *know* there would be a lot of bitching if they decided to keep tabs out... so I'm confused now. What exactly should they do to avoid getting insulted?
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