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The Final Days of Final Fantasy

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the i-like-ffxi dept.

Role Playing (Games) 205

An anonymous reader writes "Could the Final Fantasy series have finally come to an end? About.com's Adrien-Luc Sanders thinks so in his article The Final Days of Final Fantasy. I'm sure many people here remember Final Fantasy VII and how it helped Sony win the console market away from Nintendo. The article contends that Final Fantasy's glory days are over, that with the release of Final Fantasy X-2, the underwhelming EverQuest clone Final Fantasy XI, and the much-delayed Final Fantasy XII (finally confirmed for a 2006 US release), we've effectively seen the end of Final Fantasy. Is it time for Square-Enix to give up on Final Fantasy?"

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Doubt it (1)

BaronSprite (651436) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687353)

With the huge success of FFXI and the continued sales, I don't think final fantasy is going anywhere. Why would a series still making a large ammount of money for them be canned?

Might not hurt... (4, Insightful)

th3space (531154) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687355)

I, like many others, I'm sure, have enjoyed many hundreds (possibly thousands) of hours of Final Fantasy over the years...replaying them time and time again. However - and this is barely arguable - it's all been downhill ever since FFVI. I would like to see SqareEnix branch out and truly deliver on the innovation that should have been bourne out of their union...but, as with the Star Wars franchise, I'm sure they will continue to go back to the little black box that gives them two dollars for ever quarter they put in.

Re:Might not hurt... (3, Insightful)

WayneTheGoblin (843267) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687476)

As one who has likewise been playing Final Fantasy games for quite some time, might I make an observation? Although many are split on the quality of the games Squaresoft / Square-Enix has produced, can you deny that they have sold well? How many people who have played the games, can deny that they saw FF:The Spirits Within. Even if they didn't like it, many saw it anyway. These same people are likely drooling at the prospect of seeing Advent Children. I also don't really put much stock in death predictions, particularly not of this subject matter. I point to the profitability of the franchise and the potential to make games released under the title of Final Fantasy in various different genres, as is already being promised as companion titles to Advent Children. I think as long as Square-Enix makes it, players will play it.

Re:Might not hurt... (4, Insightful)

RootsLINUX (854452) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687509)

However - and this is barely arguable - it's all been downhill ever since FFVI.

I concur. In my opinion, FFVI and Chrono Trigger (among other notable SNES titles) were the apex of RPG gaming. Now it seems to me like game producers (especially at S-E) are putting less and less empathsis on the story and gameplay, instead opting to always try to be the RPG with the "next-generation" graphics in order to further capatilize on their already erroding franchise. I so appall this game design mentality that I starting creating my own RPG game akin to FFVI, what I still consider to be the best RPG ever. Sometimes you must take a few steps backwards in order to move forward again. I hope someone at S-E realizes this before it is too late to save Final Fantasy (or what remains of it).

Re:Might not hurt... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12687691)

Actually, it's been downhill since FFT. FF6, FF7, and FFT were the pinnacle of the series. With FFT being the best, of course. :)

Re:Might not hurt... (1)

Elranzer (851411) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689688)

But FFT wasn't even a Final Fantasy. It's as valide a Final Fantasy as Crystal Chronicles and Mystic Quest. The game qas developed by Quest, whom also made the Ogre Battle/Tactics Ogre series. The game was basically Tactics Ogre 2 with a Final Fantasy theme.

Re:Might not hurt... (3, Interesting)

b0r0din (304712) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687704)

I would disagree, and say that the series sucked ever since VII. I do remember all the playability of VII, how confused I was at first, then how interesting the system really was, the different choices you had, where they led, and the minigames involved. You didn't have to spend most of your time fighting one thing, you were free to run around and develop your skills, or run races, or experiment with chocobos, or a number of other things.

That said, VII in many ways nailed the coffin shut. First off, it was so popular that Square followed a formula and all the rest have been pretty much the same. Am I the only person annoyed by the general hero, now little more than a thin, androgenous anime figure?

FFX did it for me; I couldn't play the same hero character. I probably won't return to a FF title, if for no other reason than animation alone; I'm tired of playing anime games. But that's my own personal opinion and a large majority of gamers don't seem to mind this. So I'll stick to whatever else comes along.

Re:Might not hurt... (1)

th3space (531154) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687767)

Quite frankly, and I have had lively discussions about this, I loathed FFVII and loved FFVIII...it was almost like Square started to try again, only to get kicked in the shins by all of the fanboys/girls and scolded for daring to change something so 'beloved'...

Had Square continued the path set by VIII and given up on FF: The Spirits Within, they may not have ever needed to merge with Enix to save their pitiful - at that point - existence.

But thats another tale for another time...

Re:Might not hurt... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12687782)

All you people that skip over FFT depress me. ;_;

Re:Might not hurt... (1)

th3space (531154) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687946)

Different type of game...I hold the Tactics line in very high esteem, and am shocked that it hasn't sunk down to the level of shiny over substance that the rest of the namesakes have. I, and I'm sure others are just as guilty, overlook these when talking about FF due the fact that, by the nature of the games, they really can't be held in the same regard...

I loaded up FFT just last weekend, and enjoyed a very nice romp through the game - since the weather wasn't really ammenable to my friends and I going out and getting some skating done.

Re:Might not hurt... (1)

Alfred Montbank (851541) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688067)

Sure it's a "different" type of game - aren't all FFs supposed to be different? FFT is far better than any other FF. Just because it's different doesn't lower its value. Taking FFT out of the list of FFs seriously degrades the FF series.

Re:Might not hurt... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12688271)

Taking FFT out of the list of FFs seriously degrades the FF series.

And FFX-2 wasn't?

Re:Might not hurt... (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688167)

Personally, I loathed all of the playstation ones except 9. Lets look at the list:

7- went way too far into technology, horibile magic system (your best meleers should not have access to the best magic), story sucked other than the Aeris death, game was just too eqasy (none of the bosses were a challenge, even spending no leveling time)

8-Same as above, even worse story, and the summon magics took way too fucking long, doing several 20s long cutscenes a fight is way too much

9-Not too bad, story was so-so, but the challenge was better and magic system worked as it should.

10-All the worst problems on 8, with a main character that made me want to see him die.

They should have stopped at 6. For that matter, the magic system in 6 sucked badly (again- best melees should not get best spells). It ruined the challenge. The story saves it, but they need to backport a better magic system from 1 or 4.

Re:Might not hurt... (1)

snarlydwarf (532865) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688478)

haha... I agree with that whole thing, though I wouldn't say ff9 was just "not too bad", it was the first time since ff6 that I actually cared about the characters.

As for 7: the story always seems to be made up as they went along. "Oh, yeah forget what you saw in that earlier cutscene this is what really happened"..

ff8, I wanted Squall to die. I liked Rinoa, she reminded me of Aeris, but... then she hung around Squall too much and got as weird as him.

ff9 my only "wtf" character was Quina. The rest were all enjoyable, Quina wasn't bad, I just dont think "she" was developed as well as the others.

and FFX... oh, my. "Let's have the contradictions of ff7 but make it pretty!" I wanted them all dead.

In short, if someone thinks ff7 is the greatest ff ever, I tend to ignore everything they say.

(Now if SE would come out with FFIX for PSP, I'll buy a PSP that day...)

Best thing about ff7: the casino and choco racing (even though that was mindlessly easy, especically once you started breeding, it was fun).

Re:Might not hurt... (1)

ignorant_coward (883188) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689967)

First off, it was so popular that Square followed a formula and all the rest have been pretty much the same.

This is what is making me tired of Final Fantasy. No matter how stunningly gorgeous the design of each game is, spending dozens of hours in the same overall battle system gets really old.

I didn't even finish FF X-2, where I eventually stopped caring about gaining enough experience to beat the last bosses. Money grew on trees in that game, so experience was the only thing that mattered. Even the dresspheres got old once I realized getting the best magic was either difficult to do repeatably or just too so freaking long that it wasn't worth the days required.

Yeah, VI was tons of fun, and VII had a really neat and dark story, but the most recent ones just haven't kept up enough innovation. VIII was a beautifully done game, but the characters were empty. I haven't played IX or XI, but X and X-2 were also beautifully done but again had a main character that wasn't interesting enough to clinch it.

Probably the biggest problem of all is that the most recent games have impossible side quests without GameFaqs or other cheats. If that doesn't suck out the last figments of the player's passion for gaming, the player is probably already dead from the magic systems.

Re:Might not hurt... (1)

Mitaphane (96828) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687876)

However - and this is barely arguable - it's all been downhill ever since FFVI.

"Barely arguable" if you let nostalgia cloud your judgement on what has been done well with the series. It's clear that FF VI is one the high points of series(My personal favorites would be something like FF VI,VII,X), but to say that the series has been downhill since VI is overgeneralizing.

There has been quite a lot good things done with the series since VI: the addition of CGI did much to potray the worlds of FF; Many fun mini games have been added since VI; Uematsu still created fantastic soundtracks; The recent use of good voice acting in X helped add much to characters. Likewise, there's been a lot of bad things donce since VI: character development in VIII was very poor; The series hasn't seen a great villian like Kefka in a long time; VIII's magic system stunk; FF X-2, while very fun to play, had a story that seemed pretty lame compared to its predecessors.

I think each title in the series should be judged as a stand alone RPG. Outside of similar sound effects & menus, chocobos, moogles, and a few other staple marks of the series, each FF game has nothing to do with another(even FF X and FF X-2 had quite substantial differences).

Re:Might not hurt... (2, Insightful)

KillShill (877105) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688317)

"There has been quite a lot good things done with the series since VI: the addition of CGI did much to potray the worlds of FF"

that's what imagination is for.

granted i know 99.9% of the gaming population has none but come on, you have to develop it sooner or later...

and god, how the mini-games suck. i want to play the game, not a game in the game that is time consuming, boring and frankly a waste of development time.

hell even FF 6 partly sucked because they started making it into a digital soap opera but the gameplay was still there... somewhat.

the PS generation helped to cement craptastic games into the mainstream.

moving to cd based media didn't help at all.. it only made FMV's waste time they could be developing a better game and deplete their small budgets. not to mention the insane load times. and they didn't help push down the price of games. so basically it was a big step backwards.

Re:Might not hurt... (1)

ignorant_coward (883188) | more than 8 years ago | (#12690078)


I don't mind the minigames in themselves, if they can be toyed with or skipped, but sometimes they are the only way to get something interesting in the game...AAAARRRGGH!

Still downhill but... (1)

KrisW (613034) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688153)

I only think it's been downhill since Final Fantasy IX. I know most people don't agree with me, but I think that IX stands alongside VI as one of the the best actual Final Fantasy games ever made.

I say "actual Final Fantasy games" because Final Fantasy Tactics and FFT: Advance were both great games (I still play FFT on my PS1 constantly), but more side-games than anything else, brilliant as they may be.

OFFTOPIC: By the way, am I the only person who doesn't have problem with the new "confirm you're not a script" thing?

Re:Still downhill but... (1)

th3space (531154) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688190)

OFFTOPIC: By the way, am I the only person who doesn't have problem with the new "confirm you're not a script" thing?

You know, I've only ever seen that dialogue once...maybe a karma thing?

Final fantsz more of a colection (3, Insightful)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687368)

Final Fantasy can not realy end , its non sequential and the games are just difrent RPGs with a commen evolving system.
I am not a major FF fan but i do enjoy the games , honestly its just a small dip which hapens to anything long running .

I never take Death reports/predictions in the Tech industry to seriously.

Give this man the John Dvorak award! (5, Interesting)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687407)

Throwing around pointless doom-and-gloom predictions when the next sequel to the franchise is still highly anticipated deserves an anti-award.

Even if SE completely abandons offline games they will still paste the Final Fantasy name on their games, though I expect to see a Dragon Warrior MMO before the next MMO FF.

Re:Give this man the John Dvorak award! (1)

GamingEngineer (789145) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688432)

I agree. I am greatly looking forward to FFXII as are several other people I know. I did enjoy FFX-2 as well, once I managed to get past the weird girly theme to the game. From what I've, when a new FF game is released in Japan, it's the equivalent in cultural importance to the Superbowl in the US. I don't see how that's going away any time soon.

End of Final Fantasy? (3, Interesting)

CYDVicious (834329) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687460)

That's like saying that the end is near for Nintendo's Mario/Zelda/Metroid, or Polyphany's Gran Turismo. It doesn't matter whether the quality dips or rises across the series or console generations... In marketing class if I learned anything, if your product is in "Cash Cow" corner, you hold on to it. As long as people keep paying for Mortal Kombat, Midway is going to keep turning the crank and popping them out.

Give Square some credit... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12687492)

You really think they're gonna end their cash cow series? Honestly, the FF series looks to be more interesting than ever, now that they shifted developers. I was really burnt out on FF8-X2, but now it looks to bring interesting gameplay to the plate and not just have a bunch of fancy cinemas with androgenous leads.

the answer is no (4, Interesting)

rayde (738949) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687508)

Is it time for Square-Enix to give up on Final Fantasy?

the answer is a resounding no. However, they need to go back to what made it so special in the past. That is, back off of the convoluted plot, the rediculous looking and uninteresting characters, and the complicated and boring skills systems. Instead, bring back the spirit of adventure. Those that have played it will remember the magic of getting to finally pilot the air ship in FFIV, where you could FINALLY go over mountains and such, and visit those remote places in the overworld. It was the gameplay, the original and loveable characters (even characters we may idolize to some extent... it'd be nice to be as cool as Locke) that makes FFIV and FFVI the best in the series for so many of us.

SquareEnix needs to take a step back and return to its roots. FFIX was a step in the right direction, if you ask me. FFX was a supreme dissapointment, and FFXII looks to be much of the same. A gorgeous soundtrack will only take you so far.

Re:the answer is no (2, Interesting)

Vaevictis666 (680137) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688091)

Ridiculous looking characters? Perhaps you weren't aware, but they've always been that crazy looking, it was just harder to get the design to fit properly in a 16x16 (or 8x8) sprite.

You remember Kefka (sprites) [ffcompendium.com] , right? Take a look at some of the original concept art [ffcompendium.com] and the resultant FMV interpretation [ffcompendium.com] .

On the rest of it, I'll agree with you in FFIX good, FFX meh.

Re:the answer is no (1)

Alkaiser (114022) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688338)

However, they need to go back to what made it so special in the past. That is, back off of the convoluted plot, the rediculous looking and uninteresting characters, and the complicated and boring skills systems. Instead, bring back the spirit of adventure.

I agree with this. Now that they're partnered up with Enix, its time to let the company coast on the other franchises it has, and retool Final Fantasy. They've got to give it a breather like Toho did with Godzilla, and then bring it back.

I'm not liking what I'm seeing from FF XII's art so far. Seeing the characters just makes me think FF VIII all over again. Someone's got to sit down and actually design some characters that don't look like Tetsuya Nomura just decided to change outfits and hair colors on the previous games' character models.

Exploration is key to a good epic adventure. So is growth. You get someone who can work both of these things in well, and I'll be sold again.

Hm, lets see (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687516)

We have a long running series, the next release, while late, is still highly anticipated by fans, the last release is still played by hundreds of thousands of people around the world and it makes Square-Enix a ton of money.

Yep, its time to call Final Fantasy dead.

Re:Hm, lets see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12687606)

Don't forget that FFXII is going to be released just in time to be flattened by the PS3. Yes, that's right - by the time they actually plan on releasing the damned game, Sony should be shipping PS3s.

The last FF that was released that wasn't a weird-ass sequal was FFXI, three years ago. Four years ago they released FFX.

I think the bigger questions are "does anyone care about FF any more?" and "should SE continue releasing FF?"

The first one is evidently "yes" as this thread proves, but seeing what SE's done the last four years, the second one is probably "no"...

Re:Hm, lets see (1)

SScorpio (595836) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688162)

Yes FFXII will be released near the same time as the PS3; however, FFIX was released around the same time as the PS2 back in 2000. And if you want to get technical the game came out about 1/2 month after the system was released.

So far every system FF has been on has received 3 FF games, also FFIII came out in Japan for the NES the same year the SNES was released. FFVI came out in Japan the same year the PSX was released.

Complain all you want about the FF series, but it's still a decent playable story book. If you want to experience something new pickup the Saga Frontier series. It has been the testing ground for new systems since the PSX, unlike the more traditional but awesome Romancing Saga games for the SNES.

Will SE stop supporting FFXI? Not when it's pulling in several million dollars every month. Will they stop making FF games? Not when everytime they release one it sells several million copies. Will they stop the Dragon Quest series which has less entries than the FF series but has been going on for about as long? Again not while it rakes in the money.

If you stop thinking of the FF games as a continuation of one another and more as a genre of simular games, it's easier to see why people keep snatching each new one. If you like the previous FF games, there is a good chance you'll also like the new FF game that's coming out. And knowing that it's the FF series you know the production value of the game will be very high.

... Huh? (2)

rekenner (849871) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687542)

Final Fantasy VII came out when I was in high school, back when the only exposure that I had to video games (due to a sheltered life and a technophobic parental unit) was an extremely old SuperNintendo system with Mario 2that I got when I was...five, maybe?

Sorta off topic, but... wow. I'm wondering if he meant NES or SNES... The game and age make me think NES, though.

The pinnacle of Final Fantasy was when all of the development was focused on the main lineage and the occasional Tactics or Crystal Chronicles were a nice side diversion that had nothing to do with the main storylines.

Since when did the FF games have a main storyline, anyway?

On topic now....
His entire arguement is that because he didn't like FFX-2 and FFXI, and that because Square is making a few sequals .... that Final Fantasy is dead. Wuhzuh? How does that make sense, in a money making sense? Last I checked, people are drooling on themselves for the FF7 spinoffs and FFX-2 made money. I personally liked FFX-2... More than FFX, even. FFX-2 was a lot more fun than FFX.... I believe this is just a fanboy that doesn't like the way the series is going. I can't say I blame him on the account of the 4 thousand FF7 spinoffs and FFXI, but.... The series is probably not dead any time soon.

wheee lets try this the other way round. (2, Funny)

blackicye (760472) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687555)

Square-Enix declares that About.com's Adrien-Luc Sanders' days are about over.

Sounds just about as plausible, which is to say not at all
But then again, chances are About.com or at least Mr Sanders will be gone long before Final Fantasy is.

ff11... underwhelming? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12687570)

http://www.mmogchart.com/ [mmogchart.com]

last valid datapoint (550k) was before WoW came out.. however:
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/event/survey/02ma in_job.html [playonline.com]

suggests that there are still around 500k accounts active in the game, as of March.

what this means is, until WoW came along, FF11 was one of *the largest* MMOs in the world (behind RO, Seal, Lineage, L2, and a few other korean MMOs that count subscribers in different ways).

It might've been an underwhelming experience to play (level downs, annoying mechanics, huge amounts of downtime when rezzing, etc) but the game itself was an overwhelming success.

Re:ff11... underwhelming? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12688020)

I wonder how many of those accounts are still active and aren't just sitting there keeping Square-Enix from deleting that characters...

See, if you decide to leave the game, BANG! There go your characters. All gone. This has managed to keep Square-Enix a fairly steady revenue stream as people who want to leave - but don't want to give up their characters in case they want to come back - remain subscribed.

The other interesting data point is that they have evidently managed to lose 50k user accounts since the last data point, despite a release in Europe, a "come back" campaign for people who unsubscribed, and a campaign to get new users.

With all of that, they managed to keep zero growth. While not negative growth, it can hardly be called an "overwhelming success".

With the announcement that the XBox 360 version won't see any upgrades to the game, I think it's fairly official - we can stick a fork in it, it's done.

Fortunately this means that FFXII will be a single player game, despite Square-Enix originally saying that they were going to stop producing Final Fantasy games and move into the online market. FFXI was such a success that they're backing out of that plan.

Nonsense article (5, Insightful)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687581)

There's an interesting debate to be had about the future of the franchise, but sadly, this won't be the article to spark it off.

The author's main problem is that he didn't like FFXI or FFX-2. As far as I'm concerned, that's his problem. Far from being a failure, FFXI still has a commanding position in terms of the size of its user-base. Last I saw, it was only behind WoW and the Korean MMORPGs (for which figures should be treated with a degree of caution due to the methodology used to count players there). Indeed, before the release of WoW, it had been the biggest MMORPG played outside of Korea for quite a while. User figures have been steady for a long time, with the release of WoW not making any significant dent. In the highly competative, dog-eat-dog world of MMORPG publishing, I'd call that a resounding success, rather than a harbinger of doom.

FFX-2 has always been contraversial among Final Fantasy fans. I'll admit that it's never been my favorite installment in the series (this would be FFX - and yes, I've played the whole "main" series, including FF6). However, this isn't to say it's without merit. In many ways, it's a return to more traditional gameplay, with a much steeper difficulty curve than other recent games in the series and a job-based character system. If you approach it without expecting it to be "more of the same" from FFX, then it's actually a very good RPG. A lot of tormented, gothy Final Fantasy fans felt they had to dislike FFX-2 out of principle, because it's actually quite upbeat. Personally, I'm secure enough that I can play a game like this without it making me "doubt my masculinity" (author's words).

The most significant issue the author raises, in my view, is the wait for FFXII. This has certainly been longer than I expected. However, I think this is largely a reflection of the fact that development times and costs have risen, to match customer expectations. When you completely rework your graphical engine, combat system and game world for each installment of your series, you can't be expected to stick to a Madden-style production schedule. At any rate, I'll reserve judgement on FFXII until I can actually play it.

Re:Nonsense article (1)

tigris (192178) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689560)

I've never understood the hatred for FFX, really. It has one of the best storylines of all the FF games, turning the usual RPG conventions on their heads - not only does the hero -not- get the girl in the end, he doesn't even get to live. Pretty damn original, imho.

Blitzball was pure evil though. :D

Re:Nonsense article (1)

May Kasahara (606310) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689855)

FFX-2 has always been contraversial among Final Fantasy fans. I'll admit that it's never been my favorite installment in the series (this would be FFX - and yes, I've played the whole "main" series, including FF6). However, this isn't to say it's without merit. In many ways, it's a return to more traditional gameplay, with a much steeper difficulty curve than other recent games in the series and a job-based character system. If you approach it without expecting it to be "more of the same" from FFX, then it's actually a very good RPG. A lot of tormented, gothy Final Fantasy fans felt they had to dislike FFX-2 out of principle, because it's actually quite upbeat. Personally, I'm secure enough that I can play a game like this without it making me "doubt my masculinity" (author's words).

Probably the best defense of FFX-2 I've ever read. Although it has its share of flaws (like every other Final Fantasy, natch), the gameplay is tight and the non-linear elements are a welcome departure from the rest of the series. I love the job system especially-- all those people who complain about the wardrobe changes apparently have forgotten about FF5 and FFT...

I'm looking forward to FFXII myself, and am not the least bit surprised by the delays. Many of the games Square makes never come out when they're originally intended to.

gamers grow up... (2, Interesting)

Audigy (552883) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687633)

Bleh... this guy didn't grow up with Final Fantasy like I did. I remember sitting in my 4th grade classroom, reading the Nintendo Power Final Fantasy strategy guide for silent reading time, then trading my Super GameBoy and some games to a classmate in 8th grade so I could get my hands on the coveted Final Fantasy III (6j) since none of the rental stores carried it.

I remember saving allowance money for months to afford Dragon Warrior IV, with its hefty 59.99 price tag from Toys R Us...

I played the heck out of these games, and cannot say the same about the 'next gen' iterations (Dragon Warrior VII as an exception, but just because the game is so damn long, and seemed to hold my attention)

I don't think the problem is that Square-Enix is stagnating... I think it's getting increasingly more difficult to hold the gamer's attention who grew up with these games. I remember crying when Celes lept off the cliff in FFIII (FF6), but the famous 'death of Aerith' in FFVII completely failed to evoke the same reaction. It was too predicted, and scripted... though the music was tear-jerking.

Anyway, I don't think the games are going anywhere. Square-Enix needs to reach harder into the younger market though, and bring in new fans to the series.

Re:gamers grow up... (1)

ex_ottoyuhr (607701) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689212)

I quite agree that he hardly grew up with Final Fantasy. FF6, not 7, was the game that popularized RPGs; this makes all the difference in the world...

I suspect he knows much less about the gaming world than he thinks he does, given that he allegedly owned "an extremely old SuperNintendo system with Mario 2..."

Bah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12687641)

Considering that the last good FF was FFVI and that this guy started playing the series with FFVII, it's pretty obvious he has no idea of what is going on.
Score:-1, FFlamebait MXIII

Personal preference does not end all. (1)

bigdumbyak (153742) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687656)

Just because he didn't like FFX2 and FFXI doesn't mean that it's all over for Square/Enix. I personally haven't been able to get exited about any FF game since VIII, but does that mean that I won't spend my hard earned rent money on FFXII when it comes out? Not a chance!

Since the first FF came out, I have been a huge fan on Square and this bozo will NOT be the doomsayer that brings it all down around Square/Enix's ears. I'll be out there, supporting my favorite RPG maker by spending my money, until they DO go under.

It's more likely that we'll all be riding to work on the back of Chocobos before that happens though.

Classics (1)

bobej1977 (580278) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687723)

I'm one of the RPG curmudgeons that learned early on what an RPG is supposed to be, so think that anything that doesn't fit that mold is automatically junk. I'd love to see them take a step back and create a newer prettier FFI, but I realize that perhaps the more sophisticated gamers of today might not want that. My hope is they do both.

Summary: He don't like FFX-2 (2, Insightful)

Jormundgard (260749) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687771)

His whole argument is that he didn't like Final Fantasy X-2, and therefore Final Fantasy Is Dead.

And golly gosh, what is the reason? It must be Enix because the merger happened around the time that FFX-2 sucked. You want some real evidence? Come on, he's busy trying to make a point here!

But maybe this is just the current state of affairs for Video Game Op-Ed.

FFX was the pinnacle?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12687776)

I'm not going to pull any "more retro than thou" shit, but come ON man! The graphics and voice-overs made this game better than any of the previous 9, which featured better combat systems, better magic systems, better inventory management, non-linear exploration, better characters, and a more interesting background story?

If better graphics and voice overs are what make Final Fantasy great in your book, I suspect this series will just get "better" and "better" for you. The rest of us just wish Square|Enix would have a little faith in us, and give us a challenging story and a world and inventory system we can freely explore and exploit (jobs, materia, i don't care, anything is better than that stupid parcheesi board in FFX), instead of running around on rails.

competition (1)

Gogo0 (877020) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687795)

I dont think Final Fantasy is going anywhere, as there are too many rabid fans of Square-Enix.

It doesnt matter that for years there have been superior RPGs on the market, the latest Final Fantasy is always better in their eyes. Hell, Square-Enix knows this already. Why make a TRUE Chrono Trigger sequel or finish another RPG of a different name (Xenogears) when they could divert most of their time and effort to Final Fantasy? They did the latter and it has done nothing but paid off for them.

Personally, I gave up after I realized I loved 7 so much solely because it was 3d and all shiny. I have since played 4, 6, and Chrono Trigger more times than I can remember (on my real SFC, no emulators).

Re:competition (1)

Elranzer (851411) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689893)

I dont think Final Fantasy is going anywhere, as there are too many rabid fans of Square-Enix.

Not as many as there use to be, though.

Remember, Super Mario Bros 3 was once the highest selling video game ever. Now the Mario series is... well, Mario Baseball. Which happens to be what's happening to Final Fantasy. Forget your Final Fantasy 6's and your Super Mario World's... now all we have are the Final Fantasy X-2's and Mario Dance-Dance Revolutions's.

Seems these days the only bastion of hope with video games is the fact that the current most popular/hyped (and deservidely so) series is an old one: Legend of Zelda. It's also the only old series left that seems to have any quality in the latest titles. When we start seeing Zelda: Crystal Chronicles and Zelda XI: Online, then you know it's gone to shit.

Re:competition (1)

astromog (866411) | more than 8 years ago | (#12690095)

or finish another RPG of a different name (Xenogears)

Most of the people who came up with Xenogears ran off and made Xenosaga Eps I and II, which, while not being in an identical universe, are essentially the story they wanted to tell with Xenogears and its expected sequels (well, they will be when the other 4 episodes are done).

Not gonna happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12687921)

It's not going to happen, though it probably should. Final Fantasy has been on a downhill slide ever since that soap-opera mistakenly named Final Fantasy VIII.

I was a huge Final Fantasy fan, and am still an avid fan of the older games. But I no longer care about any FF after FFT, which was definitely the best of the series. FF7 seemed to suggest that Square could enter the 3D era without completely screwing their games up by over-dramaticizing plot and over-emphasizing graphics. FF8 proved that suggestion wrong. The final straw was FFX-2, which I didn't even buy(unheard of for me for an FF game - I own them all) because the mere existence of it made me want to hit someone.

That article hit the problem right on - Square has turned its attention from making NEW good games to make money, to trying to leech off of existing markets - thus not spending as much and not working as hard, but still making money. Why bother making a completely new game when you can make a FFX sequel with scantily-clad females? Why bother making original games when you could just make 38740395 variants of FF7?

And now we had to wait for years for FFXII. I'll probably buy it - but if this one's not good, I'm not going to buy another FF again.

Final Fantasy Finale...? (1)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 8 years ago | (#12687942)

While I do feel the FF line is over-saturated, now branching off into cellphone games that really don't interest me, I don't think it's time to just put it away and forget about it. Granted, I wasn't a fan of every installment (I hated the system on VIII, though the cinematics kept me going as long as I did.) I always found the storylines intriguing, not to mention the settings and art. Even if I didn't like the game, I put up with it as much as I could just to further the plot or immerse myself in new environments. FFX-2 was more of an expansion pack than a sequel, and FFXI, while entertaining, was, for the casual gamer, boring and frustrating. If FFXII can be as well-thought out and written as FFVII, then it does not necessarily mean that the series should end, just that there should be a significant amount of thought and creativity put into future volumes. No more -2 sequels, no more rehashing storylines. Make it interesting, make it beautiful, make it fun, and the fans will make it a hit.

Re:Final Fantasy Finale...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12688072)

If FFXII can be as well-thought out and written as FFVII, then it does not necessarily mean that the series should end, just that there should be a significant amount of thought and creativity put into future volumes. No more -2 sequels, no more rehashing storylines.

Ironically enough, FFXII is a sequel to FFTA, rehashing the storyline of that game...

Re:Final Fantasy Finale...? (1)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689672)

Ironically enough, FFXII is a sequel to FFTA, rehashing the storyline of that game...

Well, didn't I just step in a pile of Chocobo sh*t? :) Told you, I'm not a big time FF player.

Yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12687965)

Lower that bitch into the ground.

will never happen (1)

HTL2001 (836298) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688069)

square will NEVER decomission its flagship product.

like he said, the last few have not been good... its just a stage.

Hopefully, like some people said that after VI, the series has declined, after this bad spell the series will improve

The mainstream may be stagnating (1)

Darune (716587) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688105)

I dont know about you guys, but the "main stream" of final fantasy started to stagnate right after 7.

The spinoffs seemed to get more interesting, I spent countless hours playing tactics and tactics advanced, and my friends and I cant get enough of crystal chronicles for the cube (its great once you finally get into the story in year 5.)

Well I could get into a rant, but I'm supposed to be working ;p

This is where I stopped reading: (2, Funny)

pnice (753704) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688108)

"Final Fantasy, in fact, was what got me into computer animation and sent me haring off to art school; Final Fantasy VII came out when I was in high school, back when the only exposure that I had to video games (due to a sheltered life and a technophobic parental unit) was an extremely old SuperNintendo system with Mario 2 that I got when I was...five, maybe?"

He had the same video game system from the time he was five until high school (what? 9 years at the least) and in that 9+ years he can't even get the name of the game or the system he owned correct? Was it Super Mario World for the Super Nintendo or was it Super Mario 2 for the NES? I'm being anal but that was enough to make him sound like my mother or father do when they describe every video game system I own as a Nintendo.

Re:This is where I stopped reading: (1)

Tyir (622669) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689265)

You should have read furthur... now he's 'approaching middle age' WHat?!

Re:This is where I stopped reading: (1)

Elranzer (851411) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689838)

Weird. Final Fantasy VII came out when I was in high school too, and now I'm 23. Middle age is still more than double my life away...

One big reply.. (2, Interesting)

CashCarSTAR (548853) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688123)

The answer is No. In fact, the quality is remaining quite high. Like it or not, the lowest points in the series are from a LONG time ago.

The thing is, that the FF team are VERY ambitious when it comes to what they do. They make very wide changes for every game. Trying new things. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. So I don't blame them for the misses. The harder you throw the more you can miss. But for the misses...and most of them were oh so close....

2J:A very clumsy level up system. Just didn't work at all. The biggest miss.

6:Yes, you heard me right. A wonderful game that fell apart for the second half of the game. The fact that the game is so wonderful for the rest of it makes it even more painful.

8:A broken combat system made most of the game a timewasting chore. (You can convert Tents to Curegas which you can junction for a near invincible amount of HP through most of the game)

X-2:A wonderful combat system, and the episodic nature of it..but yet...

Ok I'll be frank. The tone of the game was wrong. It tried to be light and airy, but frankly, it was just painful. It was too depressing. After playing through X, (best story of any of the games), watching the hidden depression of Yuna was WAY too much. way way WAY too much.

But I liked that X played like a pilgramage. It worked for that game. It felt way more personal than any other game in the series. As well, I liked the micro-level ups.

Re:One big reply.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12688212)

6:Yes, you heard me right. A wonderful game that fell apart for the second half of the game. The fact that the game is so wonderful for the rest of it makes it even more painful.
So it's good for the first half, then sucky for the second half, yet still "wonderful for the rest of it"? Sorry, could you clarify? Inquiring minds want to know.

Re:One big reply.. (1)

CashCarSTAR (548853) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688273)

I'm actually referring to the first half that was great.

I found that after a certain part, (Namely getting back the Airship) the story just kind of fell apart. Because you could get the characters back in any order really, there was no real go-between with any of them. It was just kind of vapid backstory, and no real movement of the bigger picture. It was a preperation phase that took about 10 hours. Far too long.

The last tower/boss/ending were great 'tho.

considering sony used FF7 as a tech demo for ps3 (1)

cyrax777 (633996) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688128)

And theres Advent Children due out in september, a FF7 sidestory game for psp and one for ps2. FF is far from dead.

the series.... (1)

KillShill (877105) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688235)

died after 5/6.

fmv and pointless 3d + the teenie bopper soap operas = dead.

fair well, i hardly knew ye.

Re:the series.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12689407)

just like Star Wars is dead..

wait..bad example ;)

Is Final Fantasy coming to an end? (1)

Zangief (461457) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688270)

Nah...

While I may not like its incarnations after FFVII (the best was FFVI), I find the games innovating and charming. They always put some weirdo new magic system, and they always have some convoluted history. This, together with great graphics in new consoles, will keep it alive.

The problem I see, is that FFVIII, FFX and FFX-2 have been love histories above anything else, which may have alienated their core fan base. Same thing with FFXI, which wasn't everybody's coup of tea. But FFXII is being developed by the guys that made FF Tactics (AFAIK), so I expect big things of it.

I guess that the lack of Hironobu Sakaguchi at the helm made the series a little different from what we had used to expect. We will have to see his work in Mistwalker to see if he was the magic behind FF.

Re:Is Final Fantasy coming to an end? (2, Interesting)

CashCarSTAR (548853) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688363)

FFX isn't a love story. It's a story of revenge. Tidus is not the main character. The story is from his point of view, but the story revolves around Auron.

Auron's plan the entire story is to manipulate Tidus and Yuna, to make them fall into love, so that Yuna would be incapable of sacrificing Tidus for the greater good, destroying the church of Yevon and getting his revenge on Yunalesca, and fufilling Jecht's last wish.

The actual story is about the "fall" of Yuna, and how her rejection of her religion saves the world of Spira. It's more philisophical than a love story. Auron is the puppetmaster.

Re:Is Final Fantasy coming to an end? (1)

snorklewacker (836663) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688912)

What a wonderfully deep story ... wouldn't it be nice if it had a similar quality of acting to go with it? It's SO bad, it makes Hayden Christiansen look like James Earl Jones. Seriously, I wish I could get these games in Japanese with English subtitles just so that the horrid voice acting would at least not be so damned obvious and grating.

Of course I'd probably get subtitles on the order of the previous FF games, which didn't exactly contend for nobel prizes in literature either.

Re:Is Final Fantasy coming to an end? (1)

blackicye (760472) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689426)

What you want then, is FFX: International Edition.

Its in Japanese or English with Japanese or English dialogue.

Also its a "director's cut" of sorts with added scenes/areas and a slightly tweaked sphere grid.

Conculsion (1)

kenp2002 (545495) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688370)

I would expect that as the Game industry moves toward being more like teh movie industry that a new DIRECTOR will pick up the franchise and remake all the games with a different slant on the story. Perhaps darker or more developed in story. Perhaps a new fresh take on the series will be a refreshing trend in gaming. Mods are popular as you can take an existing game engine and modify it, why not take the game as a whole and remake it? I'll be more then happy to take wither Dragon Warrior or Final Fantasy and remake em, it's would be fun as a fan to take his childhood games and apply his adult life to it and re-introduce it to the fans geared towards their current age.

Perhaps "Final Fantasy: 2nd Generation" is due. It's been done for He-man, Transformers, and countless franchises to re-introduce the series to a new generation of fans, why not re-introduce it in a updated format to the orginal generation.

Current Remakes of movies off the top of my head (not measuring quality here)

The Avengers
Incredible Hulk
Zorro (Too many to count)
Robin Hood
Oceans 11
Batman
The Manchurian Canidate

Just off the top of my head.

Why not pass the torch to a new "Director" and take the franchise and re-do it with a new vision and style.

If you ask me.... (1)

Prien715 (251944) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688426)

The current generation of gamers views Final Fantasy the way many geeks view star wars. They played them when they were little and view with nostalgia everything about the past games giving the series no room to evolve.

Personally, I liked a lot of the games in different ways. I loved the skill system and difficulty of FF5. The freedom to choose characters in FF1 added diversity and replayability. FF6's system allowed both customizability and uniqueness to each character. FF8 had the worst ability system of almost any game I've played which is entirely what made it a bad game (the plot actually wasn't too bad).

Plot-wise, I thought FF4 fell flat on its face in many respects. The entire storyline was based on "We must find the last crystal" and then later finding out it wasn't really the last crystal after all through a contrived plot "twist". The plot of FFX (gather all the summons) was very similar in many respects (and I thought it too sucked).

Plot-wise FF7 or FF Tactics anyday. I want a good plotline with twists that can be a little confusing at times but provides the player with a clear direction as where to go next from a gameplay standpoint.

What would I like to see is a new Square RPG with an original ability system, an original plot, and original characters. I don't want them to become the Disney of RPGs and continue to make FFX-2 just like the Lion King 1 1/2 or Alladin 2. I want them to innovate. If they make another god-awful ability system like FF8, I'd actually rather have that than the recycled/very limiting (FF9).

my 2c (1)

solomonrex (848655) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688459)

Everyone has to have an opinion on a series so large, old and involved. I thought I would hate X, because I want real, freakin' medieval settings.

Then I played it.

The plot was a good as any writing, really. It blew me away. I always thought VII was a little hammy- and VI was the best in my mind, but now X is better, no doubt.

But she's right, the franchise is in trouble. It's getting too convoluted with different platforms, spin-offs, etc. AND there's a conflict of interest with the Enix part of Square Enix. We probably don't have XII yet, because no one is in a hurry with Dragon Warrior still selling. We can expect longer waits between releases, no doubt, and while I can't wait for the first FF on PS3, I'm no longer excited about the series.

I think (1)

TheBot (806046) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688461)

They should take FFI-whatever # it was when they were 2d or 1d, whatever, and make them into 3d realms. I'd enjoy looking at the city of Elfheim(sp) from FFI, or the castles they had in that game, as well as the bosses. The drawings they use for those games is nice as well, and I think they should incorporate those into the games. I'd really enjoy a 3d version of FFTactics, complete with the tactic system is has now, same world too. I know FFXII is going to be that world, but it's not the same game, and that is the ugly part. I love FFTA, but put that into a 3d world and it'll be even better.

Its just a name (1)

Retroneous (879615) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688555)

Final Fantasy is just a name anyway. As far as I can tell, the stories don't necessarily follow on from each other - and in some cases the gameplay isn't an evolution from the prequel. So, why is it so hard to imagine that another FF game will be released. New story, new characters, new gameplay. Hey, it'll be like a new game - only with Final Fantasy tattooed across the box.

Final Fantasy will still be around in name only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12688642)

with Sakaguchi gone, this new guy (who did Vagrant Story I believe) is going to turn FF into something completely different from what it has been. Add to that the fact that numerous sources (including EGM) have been reporting internal development problems with FFXII for some time now, It seems the Final Fantasy as people once knew it is over now. Even Umatsua and Amano have moved on.

And I KNOW I'm not the only one getting tired of Nomura's increasingly girlish and fruity male character designs. You all know what I mean.

Re:Final Fantasy will still be around in name only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12689256)

While I think I can agree that FF is not what it used to be, Vagrant Story is nothing to sneeze at. It is one of a half dozen games that got 40/40 in Famitsu and if you haven't played it you're missing out on one of the best Square games ever.

Unfortunately, FFXII looks like it will inherit little from Vagrant Story aside from low polygon character models.

Re:Final Fantasy will still be around in name only (1)

Elranzer (851411) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689790)

I'm glad I'm not the only one who realizes Nomura's shitty, sissy designs. To all those who are not in the know, yes this includes your man-fantasy Cloud as well.

FFXI = 500,000+ Subscribers (1)

iolagnm (645827) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688654)

Final Days? FFXI has more active subscribers than any American MMO, save WoW. I don't think they did too bad on that one.

Re:FFXI = 500,000+ Subscribers (1)

windex82 (696915) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689214)

Yeah, since when is half a million monthly subscribers to something considered "underwhelming"?

More News, Please (1)

NBarnes (586109) | more than 8 years ago | (#12688903)

How do you kill an idea? How do you kill a name? There's no connection between (most) Final Fantasy games and what came before them, plot or mechanics wise, so how can newer ones be dragged down by older ones? The developers of any new Final Fantasy games are totally free to rock or suck on their own terms.

The fact that the comment thread is all about past Final Fantasies rather than future ones says a lot about how discussion worthy the original news post was. 'Death of Final Fantasy Predicted, Internet to Follow Shortly' *rolls eyes*

"Doomed" product slashdot formula. (1)

AzraelKans (697974) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689025)

Web journalist ____

a.-Picks up "hyped" product and dislikes it after playing it for 3 seconds. and since He is not sept off his feet and has a HUGE opinion about himself as a gamer this spells doom for any item. (regardless is a world wide top seller)

b.-Notices someone didnt bought it in the first attempt, considering geeks should be killing each other, over X item this spells "D O O M" for the product.

c.-Teen relative drops a acid/derrogatory remark on the product. Teen angst: the undeniable sign of doom!

d.-Has nothing better to do.

Determines the product is going to die, like a pup with terminal testicle cancer. Creates long pointless, speculative article with a catchy title on why and gets it published on the net.

The article gets slashdotted.

Geeks, read and realize is a pointless, speculative (with a catchy title though) in 3 nanoseconds, instead of walking away and letting the article die, they deploy a huge comment explaining in quirurgical detail why every single aspect of the article is speculative and pointless.( A few of them in order to raise some flames agree to the article).

The slashdotted pointless, useless articles, receives 300+ comments.

The next time the moderator reads another "X product doom" article, remembers "hey! the last time I posted something like this got a huge response! Im so slashdotting this baby!"

Repeat, cleanse, rinse.

And yes I know I contributed with this to the damn "doomed" cycle.

A bit OT... (1)

Gogo0 (877020) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689115)

...but were Square-Enix to remake any (particularly FFVI) of the 2d FF games, I would surely be a fan of theirs again.

Imagine the World of Light being torn in half shown using some modern graphics engine, while set to a fully-orchestrated version of the original score.

Remake the classics, new stuff obviously isnt their strength any more.

Oh, sure, sure (1)

oGMo (379) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689263)

Yes, definitely the end of Final Fantasy. You can tell because of the raging popularity. Other factors include all "Final Fantasy" titles being developed, such as the myriad of sidestories, minigames, and sequels to FFVII, in addition to the years of long development of FFXII.

Let's not forget FFXI of course which has its 3rd expansion pack under development, record subscription rate, and high popularity.

Not to mention promise of Final Fantasy on every major next-generation platform and handheld.

So doomed they're even making another movie, the way it should have been the first time.

Yes, I'd say Final Fantasy certainly has nothing going for it anymore. ;-P

Why VIII-X sucked (1)

frankgod (218789) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689358)

FF VIII started the trend of romance between the two main heroes being a major part of the plot. But they never did it right, it was never a Han Solo/Princess Leia romance. The male hero was always moody and emotional and the female lead was even more pathetic.

Consider Cloud in VII: in the beginning, he explains the battle systems to you, bragging about how he prefers the more difficult modes. He's a total badass, even when his big-ass sword is sheathed. Cloud would crush the VIII-X girly-man heroes, steal their women, and not think twice about it.

That's why the later FFs are less appealing, though you don't consciously think about it. The whole point of an RPG is to see yourself as the hero. So do you look forward to being an emotional, whipped pretty-boy who spends long amounts of time brooding and agonizing over a difficult relationship with a pathetic woman? Probably not. Personally, I'd rather be a silent protaganist.

So my hope is that FF XII will give us a badass hero, so I can really look forward to spending some time in his shoes. Maybe I'll run into a woman here or there, but she won't mean too much. Unfortunately, I don't think this is likely, but we'll see.

Re:Why VIII-X sucked (1)

Elranzer (851411) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689740)

The male hero was always moody and emotional and the female lead was even more pathetic.

And Cloud and Aerith weren't?

Let's kill the blatent FF7/Clud fanboyism. If you want real, macho heroes, look no further than Locke and Edgar. Cloud just doesn't cut it. Even his name is sissy.

FF Fanboys (1)

TJ_Phazerhacki (520002) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689359)

The biggest problem I have with enjoying a series with as much content as the FF series is the rampant fanboy-ism and doomsaying. Lets face it folk,s FFXI isn't a failure - look at the recent Vanadiel censuses. There are a whole lotta people playing that game (myself included.)

Square(and SE) have consistantly tried something new. 8 was not 7, 9 was an old school title, X was defining, and X-2 was fanservice. Beelieve it or not, I know a number of people who LOVE X-2 (and hate every other game made by SE.) It's just that the obsessive compulsive gothy types who complain about everything oin their blogs griped about it. Guess what? Those other few hundred thousand voices you don't hear? Satisfied Gamers.

Whether they like it or not, the author should get used to seing FF for a good long time. Although I really don't approve of the milking of 7, its generated a good deal of buzz. And 12 looks awesome.

You make a lot of good points. (1)

porkchop_d_clown (39923) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689529)

First, I have to say that I've played every FF I've been able to find, except X-2 and XI.

I really do appreciate and enjoy Square's history of making each FF game different from the game before, but I don't play online games (I have a family) and I can't buy fanservice games (I have a wife ;-P)

(Actually, the thing I don't think I could stand is my son making comments while I'm trying to find just the right outfit to wear into battle...)

Anyway, FF isn't a series, like LOTR or Star Wars, it's a brand, like Dreamworks or Pixar. As long as there are new story lines, there is room for new FF games.

The only thing I hold against Square is that boring movie. What were they thinking?

Re:You make a lot of good points. (1)

CashCarSTAR (548853) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689924)

They were thinking that if they made a hardcore SF movie that the people who always SAY they want hardcore SF movies would flock to it.

They were wrong.

Finally! (ha-ha!) (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689488)

Don't get me wrong, I love the series. But Final Fantasy 8 really made me think it's time for it to take a Star Trek-esque nap for a while. Every time I hear Squeenix pipe up about a new Final Fantasy game now, I'm no longer intrigued and rushing out to find out all the information I can about it. I cringe at the thought of another by-the-numbers game featuring the same old combat dynamic, regurgitated storyline and societal overdesign.

But... (1)

Elranzer (851411) | more than 8 years ago | (#12689707)

Could the Final Fantasy series have finally come to an end?

But... with Final Fantasy gone, what game series will continue to define "dead horse" oh so well??

FFXII (1)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 8 years ago | (#12690063)

I was like many of you: sick of Final Fantasy, after FFX (which, admittedly was better than what I consider the worst in the series, VIII). So much so that I decided not to pay attention to the hyped surrounding FFXII (as an MMO, XI didn't appeal to me anyway). I did, however, enjoy Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (my loss of interest in FF helped me find more tactical RPGS, a la FFTA, Disgaea, and others).

And then the info on FFXII started coming out. Set in the same world as FFTA it has moogles, airships, chocobos, swords - a lot of what has been lacking in the recent FF games.

Now, I'm not betting the farm on this game and I'm not buying it at release - there's too much room for the game to suck (plus S-E still needs to release games with the Japanese audio tracks over here). But I am paying attention.
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