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PSP Emulation Madness

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the this-is-going-to-be-awesome dept.

Emulation (Games) 328

An anonymous reader writes "The PSP is now the ultimate in handheld emulation consoles, already it boasts Full Speed Gameboy Colour Emulation and improving Snes & Master System but added today it also has NeoGeo CD and Sega Genesis emulators added to the impressive list of homebrew releases."

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This is SWEET... (5, Informative)

ALeavitt (636946) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693407)

... but so far it only works on the Japanese 1.00 firmware. So far there's no support for the US versions (1.5 and 1.51) so for most of us, it's nothing to get too excited about... yet. I don't know about you, but I don't want to flash my PSP's firmware... but I'm getting so impatient. Just imagine... a 1GB card of all of your favorite games for all of those classic systems, portable, on that gorgeous screen. I hope they hurry up and figure out how to run homebrew apps on the latest firmware.

Living under the law (-1, Offtopic)

Eunuch (844280) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693440)

Yeah, but it has to be annoying living just a little under the law. That's why I put my hopes in transhumanism. Completely self-sufficient and orbitting the sun, you won't have any laws at all. Then you can play all the Phantasy Star IV you want!

Re:Living under the law (2, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693516)

That's why I don't really get why platforms like Palm don't catch on more. With anybody being able to create and load programs on them, its suprising they don't get more attention. I think they could just as easily create all these emulators for Palm, and not have to worry about being sued. I realize that PSP has a better interface, but couldn't they make something like a keyboard attachment that has a game pad and 4 or 5 buttons?

Re:Living under the law (2, Insightful)

oceanclub (654183) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693906)

The problem with playing games on handhelds (I have experience of Palm and iPAQs) is that they simply aren't designed for it. Nothing is more frustating than trying to play a game with sticky keys. Also, the iPAQ couldn't register two seperate key presses at the same time (say, up-left and fire). I tried a few games, everything from NetHack to more recent proprietary games, and gave up.

P.

http://oceanclub.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

Re:Living under the law (3, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693527)

Y'know there's nothing wrong with media-shifting games that you own. I've seen plenty of collections of old games lying around people's houses, if they own the game but want to play it on the train it's just a little more practical to use a ROM dump on a PSP than bring along a console, TV and bag of cartridges.

On the other side of the coin, if I wanted to play Sonic 3 on my PSP (since it's one of my favourite games) I'd be quite happy to pay a few £ on eBay for an original cartridge so I'm then completely legit in downloading a ROM of that cartridge and running it under emulation.

Re:This is SWEET... (1)

rovingeyes (575063) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693462)

So is Sony going to go crazy over this and start suing every one or is it the plan of sony to let people do cool stuff like this? I don't own a PSP yet but I am sure they have some where in the EULA that states "You are screwed if you mess with it" (or something like it).

Re:This is SWEET... (2, Insightful)

sjf (3790) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693545)

Clearly Sony doesn't want people to do this. That seems to be the point of the later firmware releases: to block unencrypted binaries. But, I don't see what is illegal or worthy of suit in running homebrew software on the PSP. Unless, of course, that homebrew is compiled (and probably distributed) with libraries that are copyright Sony. As far as I know, that is not the case.

But, Goddamnit, I can't wait until we can run these emulators on the North American PSPs...oh the anticipation...

Re:This is SWEET... (4, Insightful)

DeVryGuy23 (869999) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693700)

There is no reason for Sony to get upset about this. People are simply making their system more marketable. It isnt economically feasible to pirate games using Memory Stick DUO(you might be able to get 1 game on a 1 gig stick, which is freakin expensive), it'd be cheaper to buy the UMDs. As long as the mods dont interfere with the PSPs ability to play retail games, then why would they take legal action?

Re:This is SWEET... (2)

drunkennewfiemidget (712572) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693777)

I absolutely agree. To this point, I have had no interest in the PSP. I've seen it as nothing more than an overpriced handheld.

If I were able to play all my favourite old SNES, NES, GBC, GBA, TGFX16, or any other old system's games via a memory stick, I'd buy it in a second.

Re:This is SWEET... (1)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693859)

I think that's the point. If their profit mostly comes from games and you already have tons of cheap games there is less incentive to buy more.

Re:This is SWEET... (1)

drunkennewfiemidget (712572) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693912)

Even still -- I'd think my likelihood of purchasing a game would be slightly increased by owning a PSP in the first place. By me not bothering to buy a PSP, the likelihood of me buying a game is quite obviously 0.

However, even if I buy it with the intention to use it mainly for emulation of old games from old systems, the likelihood of me buying PSP games is still much higher -- movies too!

Re:This is SWEET... (1)

DarkDragonVKQ (881472) | more than 9 years ago | (#12694084)

the problem is the emulators only run on old versions of firmware. Games will require newer versions of firmware..so now it's basically

You either play the emulators or play the latest games.

Sony, which makes money from software sales prefers you to buy new games then play old games.

Not to mention if there was a way to prevent emulators and a company decided to conviently not do anything about it..well dunno if there are any laws regarding that. Though I imagine there will be in the future with all the copyright and piracy things flying around right now. So it might so happen that in the future that if you have a way to prevent people from doing illegal things with your hardware (let's say upgrading firmware) and you choose not to do it you may be able to get sued by certain companies.

Now of course this is assuming that the copyright and piracy stuff continues flying like this.

Re:This is SWEET... (2, Insightful)

DeVryGuy23 (869999) | more than 9 years ago | (#12694085)

They will definitly have no profit coming from games if you dont get the hardware into people's hands. The point is, if a great game comes out that appeals to someone, then no matter how many games they have emulated they will be able to buy it because they have a system. I dont think anyone would buy a machine meerly for emulation at a price of $250. It's more like an incentive, "Hey you get all those cool PSP games, PLUS you can play all your old NES, SNES, Game Boy, SEGA, etc." Playing Chrono Trigger on the go would be awesome.

PSP & Chinese Military Computers (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12693467)

The PSP is a powerful compute engine, and exporting it to China should be banned. The Chinese military could use it as the basis of the next-generation supercomputers [phrusa.org] . Beijing is engaged in an aggressive attempt to modernize its military infrastructure, and supercomputers are central to it

Re:PSP & Chinese Military Computers (0)

lanswitch (705539) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693698)

One word: Lenovo.

Re:This is SWEET... (1)

fanboyslayer (794752) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693894)

I'm suprised Ebay sellers haven't jumped on this and started selling overpriced 1.0 systems. A search for "japanese 1.0" only returned 8 items out of the 1003 in the category...

Truly awesome (1)

MikeDX (560598) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693408)

The PSP is a fantastic machines that is showing to have some great promise. Once the version 1.5 has been unlocked so that everybody can utilise these emulators and homebrew apps I'll definitely have to buy a second memory card and fill it up with all my old favourite games. Stunned? yes I am.

The advance of Technology. (1, Interesting)

the_xaqster (877576) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693424)

This really proves Moors Law. A handheld unit now has the ability to play the previous generation of console games, through an emulator layer!

I can remember when you needed a top of the range PC to play Doom. Now I can install it on my Phone.

Re:The advance of Technology. (-1, Redundant)

pocketfullofshells (722066) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693468)

You call that advancement? I call it re-feed!

Ted's Software Recylcing Center - 5 cents per KB

Re:The advance of Technology. (1, Troll)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693596)

But that's how the world works.
Word processor in memory protection overlay in GUI overlay in multitasking overlay in 32bit overlay in hicolor overlay in some more overlays and you get Word XP which is still basically a word processor and a good typist still can type faster than the computer can accept and output the characters to screen, despite the fact this one works on 4GHZ CPU, and the first one worked on a 4MHZ one.
Add more MIPS and programmers will add more overhead.

Re:The advance of Technology. (2, Informative)

JaF893 (745419) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693535)

I assume you mean Moore's law. If you do then you are barking up the wrong tree:

"Moore's law is the empirical observation that at our rate of technological development, the complexity of an integrated circuit, with respect to minimum component cost will double in about 24 months." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law [wikipedia.org]

Re:The advance of Technology. (1)

the_xaqster (877576) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693908)

Sorry, my bad on the spelling. I was using Moore's law in the more usual (mis)stated way, that computing power doubles roughly every 24 months.

Not all that impressive (1)

mriker (571666) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693904)

A handheld unit now has the ability to play the previous generation of console games
The previous generation of consoles were the N64 and PSX, neither of which are emulated on the PSP yet (the PSX isn't even well-emulated on the PC yet). Gameboy Color, SNES, and Genesis are pretty dang old, so it's not a very significant accomplishment. PC emulators for these consoles have existed for nearly a decade.

Re:Not all that impressive (1)

kerrle (810808) | more than 9 years ago | (#12694014)

I'm assuming it's been a while since you looked at PSX emulation - saying that it's not well-emulated on the PC hasn't been true for a while.

Re:The advance of Technology. (1, Funny)

lumpenprole (114780) | more than 9 years ago | (#12694083)

I'm so sorry. That's "Moop's Law." That's what it says on the card.

That was a typo (0)

Pope (17780) | more than 9 years ago | (#12694101)

He meant Moops Law!

All these are for the 1.0 firmware only (2, Insightful)

CerebusUS (21051) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693434)

No one's cracked the 1.50 or the 1.51 firmware yet, so US PSP owners are still SOL.

Re:All these are for the 1.0 firmware only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12693916)

The encryption is supposedly 2048 bit, so you might have to wait a bit longer...

Re:All these are for the 1.0 firmware only (2, Insightful)

cosinezero (833532) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693995)

You're assuming the plan is to hack the encryption... likely the plan is to work around it. The japanese versions simply don't check for a digital signature; once the firmware or hardware is hacked to ignore the signature, it's game on.

What we realy want to know is... (1)

PhilippeT (697931) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693442)

When will it be able to emulate the PSP common you lazy modders.

:)

In all seriousness cool I was hoping the DS would get the same things but since Nintendo drooped the ball the DS is Dead.

Re:What we realy want to know is... (5, Informative)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693539)

Nintendo dropped the ball??? Last I looked except for 2 weeks the DS has outsold the PSP every week since release, not to mention Nintendo has more games comming out for the DS than Sony has for the PSP.

Nintendo hardly dropped the ball on the DS.

Re:What we realy want to know is... (1)

oskard (715652) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693680)

Windows also outsells Linux in the category of Operating Systems...

Re:What we realy want to know is... (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693852)

Thats a very poor comparison to make though. Saying Nintendo dropped the ball on the DS simply because some geeks dont find it nearly as hackable as they expected, while others have found it to be greatly hackable and (gasp) unlike the PSP have actually managed to DO things with it like hack the 802.11 on it in the US since both the JP and US versions are the same.

So if we are going to say that anyone dropped the ball, its sony by making the US version different than the Japanese version.

Re:What we realy want to know is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12693846)

Where are you getting this info? Because from where I look (the Magic Box), the PSP has outsold the DS every week its been out except for the last couple (when Nintendogs and the blue DS launched), and in the US, the PSP sold 971,000 units through the end of April while the DS sold about 550,000 from January 1st to the end of April (got those numbers from Gaming Age Forums, mostly).

Re:What we realy want to know is... (1)

zoney_ie (740061) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693860)

It remains to be seen whether Sony drop the ball or not, but for the time being, the two are selling reasonably neck and neck (despite Nintendo being in the lead) in a market in which previously Nintendo pretty much had it all!

Ideally Nintendo should have hung on to at least a big lead (60%, 70%, 80%?) despite not being 9X% anymore. But at the minute, they aren't.

If in Nintendo, I'd at least being chewing my nails, for the time being (like I said, if Sony screw up, the PSP sales could drop off).

Re:What we realy want to know is... (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693914)

Nintendo has hung into the lead, we are only counting DS here, Nintendo still sells the Advance, SP, and now a new mini one based on the Advanced platform is comming out. Likewise while games sales between the two have been neck and neck, advance game sales are well past either system.

Re:What we realy want to know is... (2, Informative)

xombo (628858) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693878)

Either I live in a topsy turvey town or most market research is wrong.
PSP has outsold DS by a LONG-SHOT at my store since it came out.
XBoX has outsold PS2 by a LONG-SHOT at my store since we opened.
There are whole days where not a single game from the GameCube section leaves the floor.
There are whole weeks where not a single person touches the DS section.
But I must tell you, we get TONS of people shopping the PSP section.
It got so bad that we simply took our DS marketing off the wall and put it in a small display rack like how we display the GBA games. It's nothing impressive. The PSP takes up about as much store space as our GameCube section now.

Re:What we realy want to know is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12693610)

From everything I've seen, Nintendo still seems very happy about the DS, besides the fact that the whole system only seems to be a test bed to them. They refered to it as either "Dual Screen" or "Developer System" at E3. It seems like they just loaded it with a bunch of random stuff and wanted to see what takes off, probably as a test for upcoming Game Boy releases.

Re:What we realy want to know is... (1)

Michalson (638911) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693792)

Well according to what Nintendo announced long before the DS came out, it's a whole new product (like the VirtualBoy) - if successful (which it appears to be) they would hold off the release of a "GBA2" until 2007. If it flopped the "GBA2" would come out in 2006. The DS is really just another experiment by Nintendo to create new types of games. Shigeru Miyamoto and co don't seem to like the same game, incrementally better graphics that have taken over the industry (admit it, with few exceptions every single PS2 game is really just one of about 10 games, but with different graphics and sounds).

Portable vs Console (1)

Dan East (318230) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693443)

While it may be the "portable console" with the most emulators, Pocket PCs easily surpass it - if we're talking about hardware with a similar form-factor.

Dan East

Re:Portable vs Console (4, Insightful)

Serapth (643581) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693586)

Yes, but the Pocket PC video chipsets are pure arse compared. I have a HP3950 iPaq ( 400 mhz arm 64 ram ), and it cant run MAME or any other emulators worth a damn. I also have a PSP, and from what ive seen sofar, it will easily be capable of running most older emu's ( SNes, gameboy, earlier mame, etc... ). You really cant compare the two devices, they have different purposes. When it comes to graphics and sound, the PSP blows the PPC out of the water.

But thats not the worst part. The controls for a Pocket PC are absolutely horrid for gaming! First off, the placement sucks... and secondly most units cant support multiple button presses concurrently.

In summary, when it comes to gaming you just cant compare the two devices. The PSP way out performs the PPC, but it damn well better, seeing as it was designed for gaming. That said, it rather sucks at reading Excel spreadsheets :)

Re:Portable vs Console (1)

NitroWolf (72977) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693861)

Yes, but the Pocket PC video chipsets are pure arse compared. I have a HP3950 iPaq ( 400 mhz arm 64 ram ), and it cant run MAME or any other emulators worth a damn

I don't know what other emulators you are referring to, but in the case of MAME, it's not because of the video chipset in your iPaq, it's because MAME emulates the video hardware, or at the best of times, does not take advantage of the abilities of any video chipset in a given machine. That's why you need such a beefy processor to run simple stuff that would be trivial if programmed in today's methods. All the video processing is done on the CPU, not the GPU.

If MAME were to be rewritten for the PPC and specifically targeted at that video chipset, it would fly... but it's meant to be portable (MAME) and to be compiled on many different systems, as well as providing absolute true emulation of old hardware, and thus *EVERYTHING* is handled by the CPU since it's basically creating a virtual machine. That's why MAME runs so crappy on a PPC, not because the GPU sucks.

PIM Suite? (3, Interesting)

macemoneta (154740) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693447)

Has anyone ported a PIM (Personal Information Management) suite and user interface (like Opie) to it yet (or are there any projects in progress)? That would make the PSP attractive as a PDA as well.

Re:PIM Suite? (4, Informative)

bazio (864132) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693483)

Don't know if the software has been ported or not, but the PSP wouldn't really be a very attractive PDA option, since it has no touch screen.

Re:PIM Suite? (1)

jwdb (526327) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693653)

You kidding me? The PSP would be a wonderful PDA!

Think about it - as soon as it becomes known that there is decent PIM software for the PSP, it becomes an acceptable tool in the business world. Install those emulators and a few games and you'll never have a boring meeting again, and the great thing is that no one will notice!

They'll all think you're rearranging your calendar or taking notes while you merrily bounce your way from koopa to koopa.

;)

Jw

Re:PIM Suite? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12693756)

Just a question but what do you use for input. A PIM suite requires and EASY way to input data.

Re:PIM Suite? (1)

macemoneta (154740) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693669)

I currently have a Tungsten C, which has both a touch screen and a keyboard. I find that I use the "Navigator" (4 directional rocker and center select button) more and more, instead of the touch screen. It's faster than getting out the stylus. The PSP has a similar set of directional and selection buttons, and it would be more than adequate as a PDA. You would probably want to do your data entry on a PC though.

Re:PIM Suite? (1)

cosinezero (833532) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693727)

True enough, but Sony demo'd a keyboard for it at E3... I hate the touch screen aspect of PDA's anyways. Once sony releases the keyboard w/ web/email support, that thing is going to be an ipod killer.

Re:PIM Suite? (1)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693801)

Size matters too. I don't use the PSP as an MP3 player very much just because it's too darn big.

It's a great game machine and has a good size screen for watching movies in an airplain or car, but there's just no practical way to carry it around all the time like a PDA for instant access.

Ultimate handheld emulation hardware? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12693451)

Wha

Whats wrong... (2, Insightful)

timtwobuck (833954) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693452)

Next step, GBA games.

That would seal the deal for me, and probably many others.

I think that it isn't outside of reason, its touted that the GBA is just as powerful as the SNES, so the hardware requirements apparently are close to being met....

Re:Whats wrong... (1)

Jonny_eh (765306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693621)

If the SNES emulator can get to full speed, do not expect the GBA. Just from experience on the PC, the GBA emulators required at least a P2 500 Mhz (if I remember correctly) and the SNES emualtors required a P100.

Although, this may be because the SNES emulators were highly optimized and were partly done in assembly.

Re:Whats wrong... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12693998)

SNES has a 3,58 MHz 16-bits 65c816 CPU, while a GBA has a 16,7 MHz 32-bits ARM processor. Perhaps there will be a GBA emulator on the PSP, but a SNES emulator on the PSP doesn't automatically make a GBA emulator instantly viable.

Re:Whats wrong... (1)

kerrle (810808) | more than 9 years ago | (#12694054)

The GBA is actually considerably more powerful than the SNES - it's by no means certain that GBA emulation is possible. They have a similar feature set in some respects, which is probably why so many people seem to think the GBA is basically just an SNES in portable form.

Hopefully Homebrew Will Run Soon.. (5, Interesting)

Mean_Nishka (543399) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693459)

I will add my voice to the choir on homebrew software.. I bought a PSP at launch and haven't picked it up in weeks.. There's simply no decent software out for this thing, with very little on the horizon.

Sony would be wise to open the machine up - it'll drive hardware sales certainly more than UMD movies will. Existing homebrew apps like PSPVideo 9 are probably driving more sales than software :).

Re:Hopefully Homebrew Will Run Soon.. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12693548)

Its not the hardware sales that they make profit on, or at least hardware of the console itself. They make profit on 1) The games/software sales, 2) accessories. The "licencing fee" to write software, or create an accessory, is what makes it a workable business model while selling the main unit at cost or even with a loss.

So they really have no incentive to "open up" the platform.

Re:Hopefully Homebrew Will Run Soon.. (1)

Mean_Nishka (543399) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693579)

I disagree.. They have to sell hardware to sell software. Nobody's going to buy the profit-driving components of the business if there's not a decent hardware base. Just look what happened with the 3DO.

Re:Hopefully Homebrew Will Run Soon.. (2, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693631)

What would make more sense for Sony would be to get sega to make a commercial version of the emulator for the PSP. The question then would be... How many people would pay for the games.

Re:Hopefully Homebrew Will Run Soon.. (1)

portwojc (201398) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693658)

No decent software? Obviously you haven't played Lumines or Hot Shots Golf. They are putting out good games of course you get a lot of junk too but those two are definite winners.

Re:Hopefully Homebrew Will Run Soon.. (2, Informative)

maniac/dev/null (170211) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693834)

Currently, you can run unsigned code on any DS (reguardless of region or firmware version) with a small piece of hardware that inserts into the DS card slot and a GBA flash cart. You can even run the DS Downloadable demos (like they had at the kiosks at E3) with only a combatible wifi card for your PC. If you want a homebrew-able machine, buy a DS.

I haven't played many of my commercial DS games in a while, but I play homebrew or E3 demos almost every day still.

PS: I really hope they release an English version of Trauma Center. Or maybe I'll just learn Japanese...

Sega Handheld (1)

SpectreBlofeld (886224) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693465)

Looking at these pictures remind me of how advanced the Sega handheld seemed for its time. Beautiful full-color screen and rich sound, while the Gameboy lagged behind with its black and white screen and one tiny speaker for years. Remember the TV tuner cartridge you could buy to turn it into a handheld television?

Re:Sega Handheld (1)

tkavanaugh (863507) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693552)

I had game gear, still do infact, it was awesome, too bad it was so expensive in comparison to game boy, which i never owned... I was the envy of most of my gameboy touting friends in the 5th grade!

Turbo Express GameGear (1)

jasonhamilton (673330) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693710)

Turbo Express was a better system. It even played the full console 16 bit games.

Nintendo has always won against higher end handhelds due to the fact batt life is king when talking about a portable. So is price when dealing with kid's toys.

The Sony PSP is heading for a different market, and so neither are make or break.

So... (1, Funny)

zr-rifle (677585) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693472)

So when is the Nintendo DS emulator coming out for the PSP?

Re:So... (1)

Billy the Impaler (886238) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693526)

It will never be able to emulate the DS seeing as the DS has imput from not just the digital buttons but from the touch-screen. I imagine a resourceful programmer could get the PSP to show one screen or the other from the DS but as long as the Nintendo retains its novel control system, emulation is difficult. Now if you tried it on a PDA...

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12693847)

PSPs screen is large enough to fit both DS's screens on it. Add a USB mouse and voila, the touch screen

Re:So... (1)

zephc (225327) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693532)

I think Nintendo would shit a brick if there was a DS emulator for the PSP. Why ever even buying anything (portable) other than a PSP after that?

Re:So... (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693613)

Why ever even buying anything (portable) other than a PSP after that?

Just about anything else portable has better battery life.

Re:So... (1)

ceeam (39911) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693563)

When PSP gets DS (dual screen). I.e. - never.

Re:So... (0)

Markus Persson (709555) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693689)

And don't forget about the touch screen.

Just say MAME... (2, Interesting)

bbzzdd (769894) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693498)

...and I am sold. I'd love to lay in bed playing the Capcom classics on the PSP. I can do it now on the PC and modded Xbox, but the portable angle would be killer.

Re:Just say MAME... (1, Funny)

aurelian (551052) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693657)

I'd love to lay in bed playing the Capcom classics on the PSP

Ok, just keep it to yourself; everyone does it but no-one wants to hear about it.

Re:Just say MAME... (0)

Foolomon (855512) | more than 9 years ago | (#12694038)

I'd rather lay in bed with twin blondes, but call me a Contrarian.

The PSP (1, Funny)

Council (514577) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693500)

Also contains a full-featured PSP emulator.

Re:The PSP (1)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693517)

What about PS1?
I think it would be fabulous...except, where would you insert the CDs?

Re:The PSP (0, Offtopic)

Aldric (642394) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693584)

Not a question you want to ask on slashdot...

LOOKOUT! SPAMVERTISEMENT! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12693510)

Clearly the article submitter is anonymous because he wants to advertise one of his sites that is linked...

Of course legally... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12693546)

There is no way you can obtain a GB/GBA/Whatever ROM and use it on a PSP. It would violate so many laws it just isn't funny, and the only real thing this will do is create a huge rise in the number of Nintendo games being pirated by people who don't own or want to purchase the original.
Go Nintendo lawyers! Go!

Re:Of course legally... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12693635)

There's not? So, if I have a GB/GBA cart and a dumper, I can't dump it myself? Since when? There's no encryption or access control, so the DMCA means nothing.

Re:Of course legally... (1)

cosinezero (833532) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693762)

Actually, I don't think the DMCA restricts you to a specific platform. It defines a "program", but does not restrict you to running it only where it was intended.

C-64 Emulation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12693589)

If they can get C64 and/or Mame to run on it then I'll want one too. Even if Mame only plays 80's era video games.

Yeah but, (1)

MrCopilot (871878) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693598)

Can it play playstation games? Wait, that's stupid.

or Run Linux?

PSPLinux http://www.psp-linux.org/ [psp-linux.org]
No not yet.

In other news... (0, Flamebait)

quickbasicguru (886035) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693632)

The DS Linux team is appears to be way ahead of the PSP Linux team.

At least the DS users are doing something useful...

Re:In other news... (1)

DeVryGuy23 (869999) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693731)

The DS has been out a good while longer than the PSP also.

Things they left out. (4, Informative)

Rirath.com (807148) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693639)

They left out NES, TG16 / PC Engine, and the fact that so far, it's only 1.0. They also didn't mention that there's an up and coming emulator called PSPE that can run PSP some homebrew on your PC. No, it can't run PSP games... but it's interesting for devs and just playing around in general, and rather nice to have this early on.

As much as I support PSP homebrew and emulation, it's premature to say it's "the ultimate in handheld emulation consoles". Many of these emus work at good speed, and many have sound, but it's still very early in the game. This is just ASKING for flames from the DS and GBA fans, not to mention the POCKET PC which can play everything from the Atari, NES, SNES, TG16, Amiga, C64, and etc including SONY PLAYSTATION.

As for when us 1.5 folks will see homebrew... "soon", if you believe the rumors Several teams are hard at work on it, and the team Dynarox recently announced "In a really near future, a loader will be released to make games work via the memory card.", so far, no reason has been given to disbelieve them. This loader will probably be in the form of a bios replacement.

And to answer all the silly questions that are bound to pop up: No, you can't do anything right now. No, you can't downgrade your firmware by any currently known methods. And yes, odds are that "backups" and "emulation" will go hand and hand when this is finally cracked. -- No, this did not kill the Dreamcast, and No, it won't kill the PSP either. -- Proof: It's easy as heck to convert video from your DVDs to MP4 and store on a memory card, but UMD Videos are already a commerical success.

Re:Things they left out. (1)

ripnet (541583) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693741)

Dynarocks are a bunch of BS. They dont have any hacking ability - they just used a tool leaked from Paradogs (who actually worked out how to rip UMDs) to rip some US images... I dont believe for a second that they will have a exploit to run on 1.5/1.51 machines... Paradogs on the other hand, maybe :)

Re:Things they left out. (1)

Rirath.com (807148) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693850)

Paradogs? The name is Paradox, far as I know.

PS2NFO:
Basically here's a little behind-the-scene "what happened"... the GODS @ PDX gave the WipeOut (USA) release guy their dumper to do the dump as being Euro-based they didn't have access to any USA titles, and unfortunately he leaked it to a friend who (with or without his permission) did the other dumps under Dynarox to gain access to the benefits intended only for REAL sceners.

This does not mean Dynarox is a bunch of nobodies, nor should you assume they're the only ones working on it. There's several, as Team Xecuter recently mentioned:

"We are giving support and advice to other underground teams as well as receiving help ourelves - its an excellent "group" effort without anyone actually knowing about who or what is involved."

Note that like many Slashdotters, I'm waiting on homebrew. But like I said in the other post, these two things will go hand and hand.

British Games (3, Funny)

mr_gerbik (122036) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693705)

"already it boasts Full Speed Gameboy Colour Emulation"

But it only plays British games because the US releases are not in colour.

Re:British Games (1)

Slashcrap (869349) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693844)

But it only plays British games because the US releases are not in colour.

Wow. This has to be the first time that I've ever seen someone flamed on-line because their spelling wasn't retarded enough.

Excellent. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12693760)

It's about time the PSP got some good games.

MAME emulator? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12693790)

when is the MAME emulator going to be available? Also, how will it accomodate over 1GB in MAME ROMS?

While we're on the subject... (1)

DroopyStonx (683090) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693887)

How long until we have a way to mod the PSP, and is it even possible?

I'm thinking the mods will be along the lines of the PSO exploit for Gamecube, but I guess something is better than nothing.

Anyone know the status on this?

Re:While we're on the subject... (1)

StonedRat (837378) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693952)

The firmware is flashable and a cracked 1.5 is in the works which could be released in the next month or so.

Zaurus (2, Insightful)

dangerz (540904) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693934)

My Zaurus has been emulating other game devices for a couple years now. Declaring the PSP the *ultimate* emulation machine is a little far fetched.

divx? (0, Offtopic)

blubill (888577) | more than 9 years ago | (#12693956)

So this thing will read movies? Will it read divx? If it does, will it have divx pop-up ads in the middle of the movie and thus have to clean spyware off your memory stick?

Bollocks more like. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12694047)

The GP32 is the king of emulator handhelds, and always will be DUE TO ITS OPEN NATURE. The only way to open something from Sony is by goatseing it...

Yeah great, but.. (2, Informative)

Keichann (888574) | more than 9 years ago | (#12694066)

A warning for anyone thinking of grabbing homebrew without reading up on it.

Unfortunately the flash ROM on the PSP is completely writable by anything running on the machine. The 1.50 and 1.51 updates fix this, but in doing so locking out homebrew software. For anyone that can't see the connection - malicious writes to flash = a shiny PSP paperweight.

http://forums.ps2dev.org/viewtopic.php?t=1962 [ps2dev.org] [ps2dev.org]

So, if you're going to run homebrew on your PSP, beware the possible consequences. Mine just arrived yesterday, I wish they'd release these things sooner in the EU! Alas, it's 1.50 :(

Cool, but I'll wait for the North American version (1)

radarsat1 (786772) | more than 9 years ago | (#12694070)

This is pretty awesome actually. I'm not one to go out and buy every new gadget that comes on the market, but I have to admit there is something very attractive about the PSP, and if it can run these emulators, it's even better. But I don't think I'll actually buy one until it's possible to run homebrew apps on the North American version. Otherwise it's not really that interesting to me.

Kind of funny that Sony is trying so hard to stop me from buying their little machine... I would love to have one, but I'm really not interested if I can't try my hand at writing programs for it. Hm, I guess that means I'm not the target demographic..
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