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Debian 3.0r6 Released

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the old-favorites dept.

Debian 297

Polkan Garcia writes "The Debian group has released an update to the 'Woody' distribution of the popular GNU/Linux OS. From the site: 'This is the sixth and final update of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (codename 'woody') which mainly adds security updates to the stable release, along with a few corrections to serious problems. Those who frequently update from security.debian.org won't have to update many packages and most updates from security.debian.org are included in this update.' More good news: r6 is the final update of woody, the new stable release is coming."

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I GOT A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12709958)

GO LINUX!

FROBAG (0, Troll)

Eusebio Kidjo (889048) | more than 9 years ago | (#12709959)

I a SICK and TIRED of this software being released in contrary to my race in orientation!

Are you kalbies COMPLETELY oblivious to us pain suffered? Or do you close eyes to ignore!?

I got news for yous kalbies and yaggies... we are go to win.

I am Eusebio of FROBAG [imcommunity.net]

Re:FROBAG (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710096)

jar jar binks by anyother means, OK, we got it, you can go far far away to another galaxy now... bye bye nice trip have you

This begs the question... (2, Funny)

c0d3h4x0r (604141) | more than 9 years ago | (#12709963)

...is YOUR woody secure?

Re:This begs the question... (4, Funny)

jacquesm (154384) | more than 9 years ago | (#12709989)

last I checked... oh never mind


On another note, I get the Debian bit and I know what linux is, but what's this GNU prefix ?

Re:This begs the question... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710017)

Um, are you serious? I can't even tell these days.

Re:This begs the question... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710101)

Google Name Useless

Re:This begs the question... (1)

Hal The Computer (674045) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710279)

Any answer I give you will offend someone. But that's too bad, people are too easily offended.

Basically, Linus is the person who wrote the Linux "kernel", the core of the operating system. The GNU software people wrote a lot of the programs that most people use with linux. Thus many pendantic people like to call it "GNU/Linux".

Re:This begs the question... (2, Funny)

jacquesm (154384) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710372)

we really urgently need a w3c sanctioned tag indicating content that is not to be taken too serious...


I propose <HUMOR> and </HUMOR> for mild stuff and <JOKE> ... </JOKE> for anything with a punchline requiring some thought, to protect the sense-of-humor-impaired browsers could by default simply not display any text between these tags. AOL browsers could be coded in such a way that there would be no possibility at all to display the text, this to protect the writer from barrages of ALL CAPS THREATS OF LAWSUITS. Similar measures could be taken with image content using the <CARTOON> tag.


In fact a whole series of tags could be created labelling content that might confuse or offend certain groups.


Think of all the bandwidth saved by not having all those follow up posts!


- sound of door slamming - honey, I'm off to the patent office !

Re:This begs the question... (1)

nebulus4 (799015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710293)

>(...) I know what linux is, but what's this GNU prefix ?

Quote from gnu.org:

(...) please don't confuse the public by using the name ``Linux'' ambiguously. Linux is the kernel, one of the essential major components of the system. The system as a whole is more or less the GNU system, with Linux added. When you're talking about this combination, please call it ``GNU/Linux''.

Whole text can be found here: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html [gnu.org]

OMG! (-1, Troll)

ylikone (589264) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710305)

Are you serious that you don't know what GNU stands for? I though all slashdot readers knew this. It's the acronym for "Gay Niggers United" of course!

Re:This begs the question... (3, Funny)

ajlitt (19055) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710410)

You see son, when a Stallman and a distro love each other very much...

Re:This begs the question... (3, Funny)

Teh_monkeyCode (752769) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710142)

I believe the term is "security through obscurity".

Ahem... (3, Insightful)

niko9 (315647) | more than 9 years ago | (#12709965)

before the usual rants about debian begin....

let he who has donated at least one line of code, cast the first stone...

/* debian sucks */ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12709991)

zing!

Re:/* debian sucks */ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710346)

Funny! I get it!

Re:Ahem... (5, Insightful)

Umbral Blot (737704) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710000)

Sure in theory we should all contribute before criticizing. However this is not practical. Want to criticise MS, go work for them. You hate SCO, go work for them too. BSD not what you want, go fix it. In my opinion it is OK to criticize something that you aren't a part of, as long as you make reasonable points.

Re:Ahem... (1)

Lockz (556773) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710240)

yes, but it is easier said than done to join some organizations. I'm sure Microsoft won't be too accepting of your efforts to join up (you have to apply like everyone else) whereas with some projects you can go ahead and contribute what you feel is missing.

Re:Ahem... (1)

mickyflynn (842205) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710250)

well, the BSD one is reasonable. Clearly you can't just go out and work for MS or SCO. Anyone can make a new BSD. go ahead and criticse commercial products all you want, especially the ones you pay for. Dont criticise free shit if you're not willing to fix what's wrong with it when you have the chance and ability. maybe make suggestions and hope someone who can fix it do it for you, but not criticise. bujt if you pay, you have the right toget someone worth your money.

Re:Ahem... (1)

volve (592475) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710256)

No shit, really?

The irony is that I am not making a "reasonable point", but yours could be construed as reasonable to the point of redundancy. I'm just saying... ;)

Re:Ahem... (1)

Pxtl (151020) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710448)

Paid for an MS product? Then you've contributed - you've bought 1000th of a programmer's salary.

LINUX USERS (0, Flamebait)

master_meio (834537) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710060)

Isn't it a form of rape, forcing your operating system ideology on others? Why can't you enjoy your niche operating system without worrying about "blah blah blah viable desktop alternative" or "blah blah solution blah blah" or whatever it is you repulsive faggots are shitting out your mouths these days?

computers aren't supposed to be an end to themselves, and only disgusting pedophiles watch star trek.

whoa, dude (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710236)

go smoke a joint or something...

Re:Ahem... (1)

eviltypeguy (521224) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710172)

*throws the first stone*

About time! (1)

espergreen (849246) | more than 9 years ago | (#12709966)

I have really been looking forward to this release!

Re:About time! (1)

ultramkancool (827732) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710091)

No you've really been looking forward to sarge (debian 4.0)

Re:About time! (1)

speeDDemon (nw) (643987) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710297)

Debiarn 'sarge' will be Debian 3.1 according to the site.

Debian (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12709971)

Debian users are quite the dickheads.

Heh. (-1, Troll)

Zaulden (848844) | more than 9 years ago | (#12709979)

The Debian group has released an update to the 'Woody' distribution of the popular GNU/Linux OS.

Finally.

Re:Heh. (2, Insightful)

Nicholas Evans (731773) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710001)

What the hell do you mean, finally? The last update to Woody was April 16th of this year.

Unless you know what you're talking about, please don't try to troll. It just makes you look bad.

Re:Heh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710018)

Looks like someone can't take a joke.

A bit sensitive, are we?

Mod parent up. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710044)

Grandparent is nothing more than yet another nonsensical gibberish troll post.

woody (1)

doswarrior (889064) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710022)

Enough with the disney names. Name it something cool like Debian Kvlt Edition and you'll get your damn user base.

Re:woody (1)

Sekio (661601) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710085)

the next debain: Debian Mickey!

Re:woody (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710087)

Tell me about it. I hear Ubuntu is having user base problems because they called a release 'Hoary Hedgehog.' How much sillier can you get?

Re:woody (1)

Trollstoi (888703) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710100)

Stop mocking my OS! I'll call my parents!

Re:woody (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710147)

They could call it Warty Warthog....oh wait....

A "powerful" name (1)

ylikone (589264) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710327)

like "Debian Striker" or "Debian Savage" or "Debian Archon" would be cooler.

We tried Debian... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710070)

An employee suggested to me that we install Debian on a few machines here as an evaluation. I was skeptical at first but he explained the benefits of using Debian instead of having to buy Windows XP. I decided to let him install it on 5 machines to see how the employees got on. Besides, our IT manager had been using Debian at home and he hadn't reported any problems - why not try it on our employees?

Once he'd got the employees up and running with Debian we let them try it out. It all seemed fine to start with: The Debian systems was a pretty good replacement for those shitty Windows boxes we'd used before and the employees could still do their work as normal.

Alas it did not stay that way. After a few days, I had lost count of the number of complaints received from our employees. Users could not do things they could before (like read their email). The final straw came when one employee lost several hours work when OpenOffice suddenly froze up, destroying the 70 page legal document he had been working on (subsequently, the defendant was sentenced to death.)

Needless to say, the Debian community, having been stagnant for half a decade, offered no support whatsoever. I made the employee destroy the Debian systems and lets just say he's not with us anymore.

Only a moron... (0, Flamebait)

ylikone (589264) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710089)

would deploy debian as desktop systems. For that use Suse, Mandrake or Ubuntu. Debian is a server platform primarily.

Re:Only a moron... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710122)

Yay! I always wanted to be a moron, and now I am.
... oh wait

Re:Only a moron... (1)

64nDh1 (872430) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710124)

For that use Suse, Mandrake or Ubuntu.

If it's set up by an admin, then I would add Gentoo to that list. Sure it's a PITA that you have to emerge a desktop environment and compile it, but Portage makes it worthwhile, and if you really nail it with Stage 1 installs (which would of course take a whole weekend for just a small office) users could have marginally improved performance on Linux.

SuSE probably the best option because of tech support for corporate customers though.

Re:Only a moron... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710187)

[...] Portage makes it worthwhile, and if you really nail it with Stage 1 installs (which would of course take a whole weekend for just a small office) users could have marginally improved performance on Linux.
I've yet to see any evidence that compiling your entire distribution from source noticably improves performance. Do you have some objective reference for this?

Re:Only a moron... (1)

64nDh1 (872430) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710304)

Nope, just I've found Gentoo more responsive on the same hardware than Slackware 10. I'm new to Gentoo, so did a Stage 3 install. Presumably the compiling serves some purpose though - not that I'll ever do it myself in all likelihood, I can't even get X11 to recognise the scrollwheel on my mouse at the moment - but I'm sure if anywhere this is the right place for someone else to indicate if there is any real benefit to Stage 1. I did try it once on PPC64 - which I've given up on as terminally immature - the Stage 1 takes a massive amount of time, not obviously when compared with how long you're going to use an unchanged system for, but still, a long 4 or 5 hours to keep checking back on the machine looking at quickly scrolling lines of compilation details, which just makes it seem longer.........

Alternate answer:
No. Maybe someone else knows more about this.

Re:Only a moron... (1)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710338)

well, the problem with your scroll wheel can be solved by adding a line to your xorg.conf file. Searching the gentoo forums should quickly lead you to the answer.

And a stage 1 install won't give you a noticeably faster system. It's generally considered a waste of time. Unless your on x86 and you wanted gcc 3.4.3 and nptl, a stage 3 should be fine.

I recently did a stage 3, then changed some settings so it would install gcc 3.4.3 and nptl and it took a few days to get the system running, but it runs pretty well. Besides, I don't think most people use gentoo because they think compiling from sources will give them a faster system, I think they use it because once you understand the system, it's easier to maintain than going through GUIs and such with other distros.

Re:Only a moron... (1)

64nDh1 (872430) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710409)

I use Gentoo on x86, I never could get it on my G5. Instead I put in Yellow Dog Linux 4 - which I blame for corrupting a filesystem. So I'll never let a Linux distro touch my Apple again. Anyway, I love Tiger too much now. But a friend is getting rid of his pc, so I harvested his hard drive and occasionally put it in my pc and I put Gentoo on it to see what it's like. All good reviews after you get past a few things:

1. unfortunately no damn desktop environment on initial install
2. not all, but some Gentoo users are so far up their own arse they think it's reasonable to tell newbs to get lost and that if they stopped using Gentoo, Gentoo would benefit. Nice. However, I put up with Apple's support - like the bitch who couldn't give a damn when one of their computers was ordered early December as a present for Christmas and was delivered mid-January, so a stuck up volunteer based support community is better than a stuck up professional support community, and quicker too.

Yeah, I've edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf to include

#Option "Buttons" "5"

I'm hoping a reboot solves this as it recognised the 3 buttons, but not the 4th and 5th for up and down.

//Yeah, I know. Not the time (02.50 a.m.) or the place for this.

Re:Only a moron... (1)

JFitzsimmons (764599) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710306)

I have anecdotal evidence that binary distribution is faster than "source and compile" distribution, but I'm not even going to present it since my point is so weak (being anecdotal and all).

Re:Only a moron... (1)

jacquesm (154384) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710140)

well count me with the morons then :)


I only have a modem here and the closest I can get to a system that has some packages on it without sitting here waiting for three weeks to download is by running Knoppix, which is based on Debian.


My servers (all 19 of them) run RHE...


Re:Only a moron... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710165)

Count me in with the morons too. I think there a whole lot of other "morons" out there as well. I think many of the people who make this observation, have never ran Debian as a desktop. I run Debian Sid on my AMD64 3200 as a desktop and I am quite happy with it.

Re:Only a moron... (1)

ylikone (589264) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710260)

You guys are running debian on desktop, that is fine, IF you are a techie type and can handle all the tweaking to get it into a spiffy desktop system. Think about the amount of work you would need to do to deploy this in an office environment!! Why not just use Ubuntu or something, then all the setup is already done for you. I just don't think Debian is a wise choice for the corporate desktop.

Heck, I run ArchLinux myself on my desktop... and I needed to tweak it quite a bit before it was an everyday useable and productive desktop system. I really love ArchLinux, but would never dream of deploying it in the office.

Re:Only a moron... (1)

nebulus4 (799015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710177)

>Only a moron... would deploy debian as desktop systems. For that use Suse, Mandrake or Ubuntu. Debian is a server platform primarily.

Ubuntu is based on Debian (same goes for Knoppix), so I don't really see your point. And besides, what's wrong with using Debian as the desktop system? No, really!?

Re:Only a moron... (1)

ylikone (589264) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710204)

Ubuntu and Knoppix are heavily modified to be bleeding edge desktop distro's, even if they started out as debian underneath. Come, every Linux geek knows this!

Re:Only a moron... (0)

Feyr (449684) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710186)

only a moron deploys a WOODY based debian desktop. someone with a clue will upgrade to testing or unstable

if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, keep quiet

Re:Only a moron... (1)

ylikone (589264) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710216)

Ubuntu and Knoppix are heavily modified to be bleeding edge desktop distro's, even if they started out as debian underneath. Come, every Linux geek knows this!

Debian base install, even testing or unstable, is not setup as a desktop distro right from the get-go. You need to work at it to get it to the point of Ubuntu or Knoppix.

Re:Only a moron... (1)

64nDh1 (872430) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710357)

In fairness Ubuntu itself claims to not be bleeding edge, putting stability over novelty at every turn.

This isn't a bad thing.

Re:Only a moron... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710308)

Would say that. We Debian users (as well as a lot of would-be debian users) are quite aware that Debian is very hard on morons. That doesn't make it unsuitable for desktop use, but perhaps makes it difficult for the gui-addicted and cli-impaired to employ.

I'm typing this at home on a Sarge install, using ion3 for a windowmanager. Fast like you wouldn't believe, and close to uncrashable !

If you value stability, sound package handling, efficiency, social responsibility, community spirit, flexibility, elegant design, great developer tools, etc there are really just 2 GNU/Linux players I know of: Debian (and derivatives) and Gentoo (ditto).

Suse, Mandriva, Red Hat, are more like windoze user distros IMO.

forgot Arch (1)

ylikone (589264) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710390)

I run archlinux, which is a spinoff from slackware. debian and gentoo aren't the only two original GNU/Linux systems. I'm sure there are even many more.

Re:We tried Debian... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710151)

You kicked an employee out because an evaluation that he suggested didn't work out? That is, pardon my French, completely fucked. The whole reason you do evaluations is so that you don't end up in a position where new products put people's job on the line.

Apart from anything else, from now on if an employee suddenly discovers a product that at a stroke will double productivity, halve costs and save small kittens from drowning, do you think they're going to tell you about it? No, they're going to hide behind conformity, in the hope that that way they'll keep their jobs.

Congrats, you've singlehandedly halted improvement of your company's computing infrastructure. I'm sure it'll mean far less trouble for you, right up to the point where an innovative competitor buys you up and fires everyone.

Re:We tried Debian... (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710167)

So you installed (or let someone install) a completely new and different system, for 5 normal users, without first:
  • trying it out on a test machine
  • using it yourself as your main machine for a while
  • letting 1 or 2 voluntary test users try it out
  • evaluating the results

And you expected it to work?

I now systematically install Firefox as the default browser on all machines, but I first used it myself for several months (started with v. 0.7 I think, called Phoenix), and only recommended it to computer-savvy friends. Then I set it up for a few users (it was at version 0.9 by then), and waited a couple more months. Then I asked for their feedback, before deploying it to normal users. (The feedback was positive).

And that's for a simple web browser.

I understand why your employee isn't at that company anymore, but I don't understand why you didn't leave with him

Re:We tried Debian... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710180)

You fired someone for making a suggestion that turned out bad and in the end was a decision *YOU* were responsible for?!?

That guy is *A LOT* better off now than he was working for you, that much is clear. You are a terrible leader in the worst sense, someone who will cover their own ass at the expense of others.

You are lucky I am not *YOUR* boss... you'd be on the unemployment line right behind that guy... no, actually, only *YOU* would be on the unemployment line... I'd hire him back and get him a better boss too.

Re:We tried Debian... (1)

bnitsua (72438) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710332)

it's a troll, (unless, of course, you are a meta-troll and already realize that...)
even if this wasn't a troll (which it is), I wouldn't be as much concerned with the guy being fired as the guy being sentenced to death because OpenOffice crashed...

Re:We tried Debian... (1)

Molf (265303) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710426)

Please do try not to confuse correlation (sp?) with causality. An application crashed. A man was sentenced to death. I may have picked my nose that day. Possibly I sneezed. I bet somebody tripped over his own shoelace. Did my nose-picking cause the man to die? Both events took place, so I must have been the reason. Yes?

Stop being a freaking troll (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710217)

This is the third nearly identical post you have made to seperate stories. Enough already.

Re:Stop being a freaking troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710241)

I didn't realize that saying anything negative about Debian automatically makes someone a troll....

Re:Stop being a freaking troll (1)

ScoLgo (458010) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710275)

It's not Debian-specific. I've seen variations of this troll in several recent discussions. People need to recognize it for what it is and stop falling for it.

Re:Stop being a freaking troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710276)

It was to the original parent. Check the previous stories and you'll find this same parent post in all of them.

Re:Stop being a freaking troll (1)

bnitsua (72438) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710263)

at least these ones require more effort than the usual +5 funny [insert lame simpsons/futurama/family guy reference]... and no matter how many times I see these kind of trolls, I still laugh...
if you don't like them, you can always change your threshold to +3 or above... but that would be too easy, wouldn't it?

Re:We tried Debian... (1)

deltatype0 (843675) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710284)

So what if Word crashed destroying his paper? Autosave right, what if that fails? Or XP crashes with Word?

Honestly, it doesn't matter what OS you use, they all can crash and will. The only difference is Linux machines crash less than Windows machines, but only under identical usage and stress. A person who only surfs the web and checks e-mail could use a Debian machine fine, but a person who plays games, runs a bunch of other programs, may have a harder time with the change.

I have to agree with a comment below, why didn't you leave with that guy?

Re:We tried Debian... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710442)

Honestly, it doesn't matter what OS you use
Yes it does.
The only difference is Linux machines crash less than Windows machines
Wrong. Linux and Windows are very different on many other levels as well.
a person who plays games, runs a bunch of other programs, may have a harder time with the change
The number of things a person "may" have a hard time with is infinite. Cut the crap, sophist.
why didn't you leave with that guy?
I'm the CTO and I garner a salary in the high six figures. He was let go because we have a zero-BS tolance policy. Would you rather we had sued him into oblivion for conspiracy to sabotage our infrastructure? I don't think so.

pointless statement... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710094)

From the site: 'This is the sixth and final update of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (codename 'woody') which mainly adds security updates to the stable release, along with a few corrections to serious problems.

vs what? Isn't that what ALL the debian updates are? Other then full version releases which get their own cool code name

They haven't even updated gaim in woody since MSN updated their protocol, it is a useless package (due to not supporting the current protocol)

freenet probably also is outdated enough to be shunned by the server it tries to connect to.

BitTorrent 3.3 gui won't work, wrong version of python to use it. Haven't bothered getting BitTorrent 4 to work on it yet.

stable is great, but stale it taking it a bit too far.

[/rant type="over used and all too common"]

I use debian. It is great for the servers, as long as you don't have clients who need the latest and greatest freatures of the software. But then clients should either ask for 5 9s of uptime or the lastest and greatest. Asking for both just causes headaches. On the bright side, 'business headaches' just mean you need to charge more ;)

I think it is a good idea not to update quickly (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710104)

As much heat as Woody gets from the Slashdot crowd, I think it is a good idea to have a stable release that doesn't update very quickly. Keep in mind that, as "old" as Debian is, it was released in 2002. It is no older than Windows XP (2001-2002 release) and is a good deal younger than Windows 2000 (1999 release). One of the servers I have an account on is a RedHat 7.2 machine, which is of the same era as the first Woody release. While I develop on Fedora Core three, I make sure my software compiles as is on a RedHat 6.2 system (2000 era).

For servers and corporate desktops, an update every three years is a frequent update. I am glad that Debian has been current with security updates on this three-year-old release; I would rather have that than the updgrade treadmill Fedora has me on. (The Fedora Legacy [fedoralegacy.org] project seems to be comatose) In fact, I'm going off of the treadmill--my next Linux will be CentOS [centos.org] (a no-cost generic clone of Red Hat Enterprise Linux) which will allow me to have sane updates--once a year or two instead of once every six months.

Re:I think it is a good idea not to update quickly (1)

publicworker (701313) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710446)

Hear, hear! I bought SuSE 8.1 (that's how much I liked 7.3) for my desktop when it came out 2000-ish and now they've stopped rolling out security updates forcing me to upgrade. I don't want to upgrade because it's a hassle and I don't have the time or the need right now --- but I guess I'll have to! I think my next OS may actually be Debian with apt-get and a slow release-cycle.

Re:I think it is a good idea not to update quickly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710474)

I bought SuSE 9.1 Pro because I didn't know then you could download whole operating systems :-(

But I learned something from it though :-)

Just didn't learn 90 Euro worth :-(

But I can keep installing it on other's computers and they can learn too :-)

and I'm sick of being off-topic so I'll stop now :-|

Debian's got some catching up to do (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710113)

Gentoo's my preferred choice now.. Sorry Debian, don't need your woody.

Anyone else think... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710126)

that the poster just wanted to see how many times he could get to say the word woody and be on-topic?

So? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710135)

I'd use OS X or BeOS or Solaris, or even Windows before I'd use Linux on MY desktop.

unlike me (1)

ylikone (589264) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710175)

I use Linux on my desktop. Have been doing so since 2000. First few years I ran Mandrake, now I run ArchLinux. I also use Linux (debian) on my servers. I have 1 solitary windows XP machine sitting idly in the corner, in case I need it for something... so far it has been fired up when I need to play some commercial games. Even the majority of the games I'm currently playing (UT2004, Doom 3 and NWN) run natively on Linux.

Re:unlike me (1)

JFitzsimmons (764599) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710326)

Nobody cares! (to both you and grandparent)...

I hate to come across as a troll, but really, both comments have absolutely no purpose except to maybe spur flamewars.

The Best Distro... hands down (1)

mslinux (570958) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710185)

I've used Debian since RH sold its soul to the Devil. Debian is the most well-designed OS I have ever used... and I've used a lot. apt-get is simply amazing. Dozens of distros are based on Debian... why? Because, it's the most well-designed OS in the world. It just screams of good, thoughtful design that just works. I can install Debian and have a useful machine for 5 - 7 years (that's how good apt-get is).

Re:The Best Distro... hands down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710195)

"I can install Debian and have a useful machine for 5 - 7 years..."

What happens after those five to seven years?

Re:The Best Distro... hands down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710239)

"I can install Debian and have a useful machine for 5 - 7 years..."
What happens after those five to seven years?

You grow up and install BSD. ;)

You recycle the hardware (1)

LouisvilleDebugger (414168) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710382)

And get a brand new one for the price of a Windows Longhorn III license.

apt-get (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710339)

apt-get is simply amazing.


I thought that apt-get had was unable to handle multiple architectures on a single system, which prevented a fully integrated 64 & 32 bit version of Debian. Has that problem with apt-get been solved yet?

Re:The Best Distro... hands down (1)

gatzke (2977) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710361)

I dropped RH as well.

They would not even provide decent academic pricing for official versions. WTF? I don't want to pay every year for support.

Debian works, works well, and is free. Knoppix is painless for install, and apt-get is great.

Some utils are not as friendly as they could be, but things are ok.

Re:The Best Distro... hands down (0, Troll)

bogie (31020) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710364)

" I've used Debian since RH sold its soul to the Devil"

Your retarded.

Re:The Best Distro... hands down (2, Funny)

jay-be-em (664602) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710392)

What of his is retarded?

Re:The Best Distro... hands down (1)

JudicatorX (455442) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710454)

Um, sir, you're looking in the mirror again...

I hear (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710248)

I hear all three of the users still running Debian Woody were really excited about this one.

SPARC port? (1)

Regnard (803869) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710259)

Is there a SPARC port available on the new release?

Re:SPARC port? (1)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710371)

If you mean sparc32, then HELL NO. Even Gentoo just dropped support for it. Now there is no Loonix and not even an up to date OS for our michty sparcs :(

Oh, is it 2008 already? (0, Troll)

Lobo_Louie (545789) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710267)

Oh, is it 2008 already?

Question (Maybe slightly OT).... (1)

Trashman (3003) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710273)

Any one know if or when Debian will transition away from xfree86? I know that 4.3.0 version is in Sarge (and Sid) and getting bug fixes. But what is the long term plan for X on Debian?

Re:Question (Maybe slightly OT).... (2, Informative)

kernelpanicked (882802) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710302)

As soon as Sarge releases Xorg will go into unstable.

Mod parent up, informative. (1)

LouisvilleDebugger (414168) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710343)

Mod parent up, informative.

autopackage (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710315)

Is there any chance of Debian adopting autopackage http://autopackage.org/ [autopackage.org] ? I wish they did because though it (autopackage) might have its quirks, the best implementation to package manegement will not necessarily help in World domination. I undertsnd that M$ also is relevant here.

Great news (1)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | more than 9 years ago | (#12710340)

As much as people may complain about the age of packages that make up Debian stable releases, they serve a niche well and the project sticking to its goals on supporting many platforms and keeping the stable distribution static has provided a good alternative for those not willing to climb the upgrade ladder with distributions like fedora or ubuntu, or deal with any issues that arise by running unstable or newer debian branches. To each their own, and every release is a positive move for the stable users out there who value its characteristics.

Let's don't get ahead of ourselves (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710365)

More good news: r6 is the final update of woody, the new stable release is coming.

That sounds good, but I hope that they're not just succumbing to deadline pressure and shoving this thing out the door half baked.

That's great. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710380)

However, it still won't convince some to switch to a GNU/Linux distro such as Debian. Not until GNU/Linux finds solutions to better usability, interface, easy configuring and easy installation without a repository.

No wonder why a college in Melbourne, Australia switched from Debian to OS X. And others are already planning the switch to OS X.

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;13028 41680;fp;16;fpid;0 [computerworld.com.au]

Screw Debian (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12710447)

I stuck the Debian disk in my laptop, which had been running Slackware. I started the install process and watched as it spewed error after error all over the place. No hardware recognition, and dependency errors out the ying-yang. Screw that! I stuck in my Slackware disk and bango, a perfect install and a finely tuned box with almost no interaction from me.

So what's Debian good for, besides as a launching point for the far superior Ubuntu?

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