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Some Revolution Downloads Will Be Free

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the hook,-line,-and-sinker dept.

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GamesRadar has the details from an interview with Nintendo of America VP George Harrison, in which he passes on the very good news that certain past-gen Nintendo titles will be free for download onto the Revolution. The article seems to imply that primarily the games available for free download will be Nintendo created titles. From the article: "This is a clever move by Nintendo: regardless of the final power of Revolution and the frequency of new titles, Nintendo knows that its loyal fans will cry tears of joy over a free service that lets them download previous Nintendo classics straight out of the box."

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oh yippie (0, Troll)

cassidyc (167044) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712808)

I can download another version of zelda.

Fan-fecking-tastic

CJC

Re:oh yippie (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712927)

not another.
but the original.

it's a nice addition that doesn't cost nintendo anything...

and well, at least nintendo hasn't gotten into the pissing contest with sony and ms - both of which taut how freggin awesome their machines will be, showing tech demos.... while not even having real silicon yet(which begs the question, did they use a pc to show how much better their graphics are than pc's? probably.).

Re:oh yippie (5, Informative)

koi88 (640490) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713237)


did they use a pc to show how much better their graphics are than pc's? probably.

In case of the XBox 360, they used Macs [anandtech.com] . Which should be kind of embarassing for Microsoft...

Re:oh yippie (1)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714393)

Which should be kind of embarassing for Microsoft...

Ummm, why? Microsoft is (primarily) a software company. It's not like they could have used Microsoft(TM) PC's - they don't have any products in that market. So they used Apple hardware.

Now, if they were running OSX on that hardware instead of their own custom OS, THAT would be embarassing.

Re:oh yippie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12713308)

"both of which taut how freggin awesome their machines will be"

I think the word you were looking was Tout

tout ( tout ) v. , touted , touting , touts . v.intr. To solicit customers,
votes, or patronage, especially in a brazen way.

Re:oh yippie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714686)

the only thing more retarded than a game fanboy is a spelling nazi. since your posting here, in slashdot games, correcting someone's spelling error, you're probably both, making you king of the re-re's.

Re:oh yippie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714814)

Was that even english?

Best idea ever (4, Insightful)

Alcimedes (398213) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712827)

Considering that anyone can go to a ROM site and download the entire NES and SNES library anyway, I think this is a great move on Ninetendo's part.

I'm sorry to say but I'm really burned out on most of today's games, regardless of which platform they're on. I don't have 20 hours to dedicate to a title. A lot of times I'm coming in from work, I want to blow off some steam and a round or two of Punch-Out would be right in line with what I'm looking for.

I know there's a big market for the Epic game title, but it's good to see that someone hasn't forgotten that millions of people loved those old school pixelated 2D games.

I'd buy the console for the old games alone.

Re:Best idea ever (1)

TheOriginalEd (888570) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712845)

Agreed, it seems that all too often the old games are too easily forgotten. Ive always said that corporate sponsored emulation would be well accepted.

Re:Best idea ever (1)

Phisbut (761268) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713414)

Agreed, it seems that all too often the old games are too easily forgotten. Ive always said that corporate sponsored emulation would be well accepted.

The one feature I really hope they will include in their "emulator" for NES and SNES is the ability to save the state. Not "save game", but really "save state", as in "dump the current status of the memory so I can restore this exact same position". Considering the very very small amount of memory required for those old games, compared to the size of the hard drive, I don't think it would be quite hard to implement (heck, NES emulators on PC already have that...)

Re:Best idea ever (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714570)

Is there any emulator that doesn't support savestates?

I could imagine that Nintendo wouldn't allow infinite savestates since people would abuse them like there's no tomorrow and finish the games in one or two days, then start complaining. Perhaps make the system delete savestates when you load them and quit the game when you write a savestate, makingit impossible to use them for anything except keeping your progress between gaming sessions.

Re:Best idea ever (1)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714849)

I could imagine that Nintendo wouldn't allow infinite savestates since people would abuse them like there's no tomorrow and finish the games in one or two days, then start complaining.

Heaven forbid people should show some self-control by simply not abusing the feature in the first place.

Re:Best idea ever (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 9 years ago | (#12715438)

Is there any emulator that doesn't support savestates?

Midway arcade collections, Atari 25th Aniversery, Sega Classics, and any other commercial emulator I ever used did not allow state saves.

Re:Best idea ever (1)

Phisbut (761268) | more than 9 years ago | (#12716019)

I could imagine that Nintendo wouldn't allow infinite savestates since people would abuse them like there's no tomorrow and finish the games in one or two days, then start complaining.

What would people complain about if they abuse the save state feature? Nintendo is giving the games away, they shouldn't care about how people use the savestate.

Re:Best idea ever (1)

Elshar (232380) | more than 9 years ago | (#12716413)

Apparently you are young and not yet jaded.

Alot of people don't care if they got it for free. They are going to bitch, moan, whine and complain as soon as whatever it is that they got suddenly breaks or no longer 'does it' for them unexpectedly. The only thing money does is amplify the amount of complaints there are.

And, the sad part? It doesn't even matter if its their fault. They will STILL demand SOMETHING even if THEY broke it. :)

Re:Best idea ever (1)

Dark Nexus (172808) | more than 9 years ago | (#12716103)

One thing I'm really hoping they do is take the time to write some net code into the emulation layer so that the previously same-screen only multiplayer games can be played over the internet.

While half the fun of playing those games multiplayer was to be in the same place, it'd still be nice to have the option to play over the internet.

Re:Best idea ever (1)

pthor1231 (885423) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712886)

Especially some of the good old fscking hard games, like ninja gaiden and ghosts and ghouls. God, I could play those for longer than some titles that are being released today.

Re:Best idea ever (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 9 years ago | (#12715003)

Try Ninja Gaiden on Xbox. It's as hard as the old one, if not more. The mini-boss on the second level kicked my ass for two days.

Re:Best idea ever (2, Funny)

nb caffeine (448698) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712899)

A friend of mine bought an xbox just so i could mod it for him and he could play nes/snes/genesis emulators on it after seeing my collection. not all roms work 100% obivously, but the ones that he wanted it for work perfect (this is the same kid who bought a dreamcast after seeing the emu disks i had burned. Obiviously a fan of the classic gaming)

Agreed, but... (1)

sc0ttyb (833038) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713167)

I wonder if by "past-gen" they mean their ENTIRE past-gen lineup, including any and all past-gen systems (NES, SNES, N64) available for free.

I also wonder if by "classics" they mean stuff that was just for the NES. Don't get me wrong, I loved those games, but the idea of playing Super Metroid or Ocarina of Time on the Revolution is simply mouth-watering.

Re:Agreed, but... (1)

CashCarSTAR (548853) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713597)

I'm not sure if you realize this, but the emulator aspect is actually going all the way up to the GameCube level. There's a possibility you can even download say Pikman or something like that.

The question is how hard is Nintendo going to swing. Are they going to play it conservative, and make a bit of money off the old games, or are they going to swing for the fences, put together a package that just screams buy me, and actually go for the jugglar.

Because frankly, any package that comes with SMB3, Super Metroid, OoT IN THE BOX, is going to gain attention.

Re:Agreed, but... (1)

StudlyDego73 (885492) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713683)

I was just going to post something like that. If they put some of the classics on the flash memory so you could immediately enjoy them, I'm sure it would be a big selling point...especially if someone buys it who *gasp* doesn't have the internet or ability to download the games!

Re:Agreed, but... (1)

syrinx (106469) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714181)

if someone buys it who *gasp* doesn't have the internet

NOOOOO! That's impossible!

Don't scare us like that!

Re:Agreed, but... (1)

Weirdofreak (769987) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713866)

I'm pretty sure Gamecube games will require the disk, although I guess they might be available for download if you don't mind losing the disk space. They almost certainly won't be free, and I'd guess N64 games won't be either, at least not to begin with.

Re:Agreed, but... (1)

Shadarr (11622) | more than 9 years ago | (#12716228)

You're correct, the Revolution will support GameCube discs and all previous Nintendo systems via ROMs. Including the N64. So, obviously, to play Pikmin you will need to own it. As far as I know, they've made no other distinction about the system so all first-party N64 games (Mario 64, for example) will be free.

Re:Agreed, but... (1)

Fade_to_Blah (555601) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713972)

I really had no intention of buying this new console (as I really prefer PC games...) but if they allowed me to download all Nintendo 64 games and play them...I would buy it in a second.

Re:Agreed, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714512)

...and actually go for the jugglar.

I belive you actually meant juggler. I'm not really sure who he is or what he's juggling though...

been there done that (2, Informative)

cassidyc (167044) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712841)

Xbox Live Arcade

Re:been there done that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12712915)

XBox Live is free?

Re:been there done that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12712967)

Keep buying those games with XBL trial cards, then yes :P

Re:been there done that (1)

FinchWorld (845331) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713025)

And there will be Xbox live silver, though nothing certain.

Re:been there done that (1)

*weasel (174362) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713096)

It's not as if Nintendo's announcement is any more or less certain.

Both are just marketing announcements of 'plans'.
Nice, vague, noncommital.

Re:been there done that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12713057)

Big difference:

Xbox Live Arcade is a bunch of worthless crap.

Nintendo...

No go away fucking xbox fanboy the console world doesn't give a crap what you have to say.

Re:been there done that (3, Interesting)

CoffeeJedi (90936) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713310)

except that the games are about 10 bucks a pop!
Namco Classics (Galaga, Dig Dug, and Pole Position) is 15 bucks, and you can't buy the games seperately

i downloaded a few demos, but the price was too high for the games, $2 would have been my limit for most of those

Re:been there done that (1)

snuf23 (182335) | more than 9 years ago | (#12717120)

What makes you think Nintendo WON'T charge for their games? Nintendo has repackaged and resold Super Mario Brothers so many times. Just recently they had their latest line of classics for the GBA and each title cost $20. A bit high for Excitebike if you ask me.

Re:been there done that (2, Insightful)

bynary (827120) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714754)

Right, because Xbox Live Arcade lets you download Super Mario Brothers, GoldenEye, Punch Out and Super Metroid.

Keep dreaming.

Nice move (1)

Nytewynd (829901) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712849)

This alone will make their console better. Some of the old-school nintedo games are the best ones anyway. Imagine getting Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Pokemon series for free?

This also combats the fact that I run all of these emulators on my current xbox. They are effectively taking back their own games.

Re:Nice move (1)

myspys (204685) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712858)

Imagine getting Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Pokemon series for free?

Thanks for the orgasm :)

Re:Nice move (2, Funny)

DavidLeblond (267211) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712931)

*Looks up from his P2P app* huh?

BOGUS: Downloadables Not Free! (0, Redundant)

ferrx (889151) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712854)

Hey, the article that reported this misunderstood the point that the interviewee was trying to get across. Past-Gen Nintendo-Created Titles will not be downloadable for free. From the original interview: 1) They contradict that it will be free: "GS: Do you plan on having like a per-download pricing model along the lines of the microtransactions that will be used in the next-gen Xbox marketplace? GH: Well, we can use it in a variety of ways. We've used some of the older games already as little bonuses, either as bonus gifts or hidden in levels of games. Certainly for the first-party titles we'll be making some of those available. We haven't really talked about whether we would sell them. The third parties can make their own decision whether they want to sell them, or maybe they will add it on as sort of a free benefit when you buy a current version of the game. " 2) The part of the interview that was misunderstood: GS: To continue with what's so revolutionary about the Revolution... GH: Well, I think certainly being wireless out of the box is revolutionary. People sort of picked on us for not jumping in prematurely into online or Internet gaming, but we just looked at it, the way it was evolving, and just felt that it was not time to jump in. But certainly with the next console it would be, with a couple of important changes like eliminating the access fee so there's not really a monthly subscription, and making use of first-party games, downloadable for free. He speaks of eliminating access fees then says "making use of first-party games" outside of the context of backwards compatability; he could have meant that downloadables, such as new maps for a Nintendo FPS, would be downloadable for free because access fees would be eliminated. I'd love to be wrong.

Re:BOGUS: Downloadables Not Free! REDUX (2, Interesting)

ferrx (889151) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712867)

Hey, the article that reported this misunderstood the point that the interviewee was trying to get across.

Past-Gen Nintendo-Created Titles will not be downloadable for free.

From the original interview:
1) They contradict that it will be free:

"GS: Do you plan on having like a per-download pricing model along the lines of the microtransactions that will be used in the next-gen Xbox marketplace?

GH: Well, we can use it in a variety of ways. We've used some of the older games already as little bonuses, either as bonus gifts or hidden in levels of games. Certainly for the first-party titles we'll be making some of those available. We haven't really talked about whether we would sell them. The third parties can make their own decision whether they want to sell them, or maybe they will add it on as sort of a free benefit when you buy a current version of the game. "

2) The part of the interview that was misunderstood:

GS: To continue with what's so revolutionary about the Revolution...

GH: Well, I think certainly being wireless out of the box is revolutionary. People sort of picked on us for not jumping in prematurely into online or Internet gaming, but we just looked at it, the way it was evolving, and just felt that it was not time to jump in. But certainly with the next console it would be, with a couple of important changes like eliminating the access fee so there's not really a monthly subscription, and making use of first-party games, downloadable for free.

He speaks of eliminating access fees then says "making use of first-party games" outside of the context of backwards compatability; he could have meant that downloadables, such as new maps for a Nintendo FPS, would be downloadable for free because access fees would be eliminated.

I'd love to be wrong.

Re:BOGUS: Downloadables Not Free! REDUX (1)

Elshar (232380) | more than 9 years ago | (#12716514)

I think he was consistant on two points:

1) First party games, which would be games produced/owned by Nintendo, COULD be free, and likely there will be alot of free ones out there.

2) Thrid party games, which would be games NOT Produced/owned by Nintendo, COULD be free IF the company who made it/owns the rights allows it to be such. However, they could also cost money if they felt they wanted to make money on it.

Not very hard here. There's already several games out there for the GameCube that have older NES games imbedded in them. Like Animal Crossing for instance. My girlfriend is always collecting them for when I decide to play (Never!).

He also was consistant in that he was always referring to the idea of removing access fees. He never once said that they would actually. Just that they were considering it.

Access to their content network, wether free or subscription based wouldn't necessarily allow you to have access to all content available. I'm sure there'd probably be a free base subscription, and then a multi-tiered price scheme like everything else.

The games? Think of it more like iTunes or something from what I gather.

Re:BOGUS: Downloadables Not Free! (1)

pthor1231 (885423) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712900)

dude, straight from TFA

"Harrison then confirmed that past-gen, Nintendo-created titles will indeed be downloadable for free.

Re:BOGUS: Downloadables Not Free! (1)

ferrx (889151) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712913)

Yes, read my words from my post. The article writer misunderstood what the interviewee was saying. The things I quoted were straight from the interview, which the article was referencing (and misunderstanding.)

Interesting strategy... (2, Interesting)

popabawa (839091) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712863)

Nintendo are often crititised and being "for kids", this move looks like it's aimed at an older set of gamers who don't have the time/inclination to figure out the emulation scene but want to relive those games they grew up on.

Smart move in my book.

Re:Interesting strategy... (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714655)

Or perhaps it's aimed at those who would buy their games if they had a chance to. Most emu gamers claim they use emulation because you can't buy those games anymore. Sure, most of that is probably BS but look at the success of iTunes, except this service won't be hampered by the huge (compared to the unit price) licensing fees the RIAA demands.

N64 Support? (1)

nameless_child (874853) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712895)

Considering they'd do this... What are the chances that if this is successful as a marketing strategy that they'd also make the N64 games available for a few bucks? (If not free sometime during the system's lifespan.) I think this is one of the best moves Nintendo could make against Sony and Microsoft. Simply because they have A LOT of classic games through the generations. And the first two being made free? ^_^ Say hello to major console sales. (Which means better sales of their exclusive games.) Not to mention their console is probably going to be about half as expensive as the other two. (Very attractive to parents.) If only they'd come out with re-writeable carts for the DS. Then you could link it to the Revolution and take those classic games with you. Which I think would be a HUGE boost for the DS and Revolution in the youth market and maybe also with the older gamers for nostalgia.

Re:N64 Support? (1)

ferrx (889151) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712903)

They announced at E3 that it would play these games:
1) NES (download)
2) SNES (download)
3) N64 (download)
4) GameCube (disc)
5) Revolution (disc)

Re:N64 Support? (1)

CashCarSTAR (548853) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713624)

Actually GC games COULD theoretically be played via download.

Just have to let you know.

Re:N64 Support? (1)

ferrx (889151) | more than 9 years ago | (#12715122)

And theoretically Revolution games can be played via download. Just to one you up.

Re:N64 Support? (1)

|/|/||| (179020) | more than 9 years ago | (#12715147)

For that matter I'm sure Revolution titles could be downloaded too.

Re:N64 Support? (1)

Rallion (711805) | more than 9 years ago | (#12715303)

In fact, Super Mario Sunshine was mentioned as a game you'd probably be able to download.

That may require more space than the 512MB the Revolution comes with though...then again, Mario 64 was a mere 8MB. Hard to say.

Re:N64 Support? (1)

cassidyc (167044) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712910)

Not convinced that this is the deal winner at all. All you would really manage to hit is the older Nintendo fans that don`t have their N64 sitting about somewhere.

Personally I've never been a huge fan of Nintendo, so the ability to play their older games wont affect my decision as to which next gen console I'm going to be buying

CJC

Re:N64 Support? (1)

Rallion (711805) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713074)

Not convinced that this is the deal winner at all. All you would really manage to hit is the older Nintendo fans that don`t have their N64 sitting about somewhere.

Well, actually, it scores major points with me. I have an N64, but it's a pain in the ass to get it to work. Mine has problems, my second one has problems, all my friends' N64's have the same problems -- the damn thing never starts up, and when it does, it tends to just turn off within a few minutes. Sure, the GameCube and Gameboys are all impressively reliable, but the N64 isn't. (Neither are its otherwise-awesome controllers, actually.)

Re:N64 Support? (2, Insightful)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713172)

Not convinced that this is the deal winner at all. All you would really manage to hit is the older Nintendo fans that don`t have their N64 sitting about somewhere.

Speak for yourself. I'm only 24 - hardly old (I hope?), and i'm giddy at the thought of being able to play NES, SNES, and N64 games while sitting on a comfortable couch instead of my desk chair.

Particularly stuff like Mario Kart, Starfox, Super Metroid, Pilotwings, etc. that I hope they figure they've gotten enough profit out of in GBA re-releases already.

Re:N64 Support? (1)

CashCarSTAR (548853) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713578)

Actually it WILL affect your decision like it or not.

This is a system seller. Plain and simple. Everybody I talk to about this WANTS one right now. If it was out now? It would be flying off the shelves, just for the classic game aspect.

And what does having a large installed base get you? Quite simple. The beancounters at various publishers see how they can make money by making games for your system. So then your system gets the new games as well. Success breeds success in this business.

Re:N64 Support? (3, Insightful)

SScorpio (595836) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713799)

Nintendo hasn't shown anything hardwarewise other than a prototype empty case for the Revolution; however, historically knowing Nintendo way of not releasing any information about new systems earily I wouldn't be surprised if they could release the system in time for the holiday season. If they actually do this they will slaughter Microsoft.

First off the Revolution will very likely be cheaper than the Xbox 360. Also picture the parent holiday shopping for their child. The clerk at the video game store says, well you can buy this Xbox 360 for $300 (Pulled the price from my ass) and then you can buy the games for it for $50-$60, or you can buy this Nintendo Revolution for $250 (again out of my ass but maybe it will also only be $200) and while the games cost $50 you can also connect it to the internet and download classic games (with some of them possibly being free). Think as a parent for a moment. Little Johnny could have a new game console with a new game or two and have the ability to play older games that he just downloads, or you could pay more without having the classic games download option? And while you might not be a fan of Nintendo you have to admit after playing some of their games that they are innovative and their games are just simply fun which is all that really matters in the end.

Re:N64 Support? (1)

Krater76 (810350) | more than 9 years ago | (#12715498)

Think as a parent for a moment.

I am, and at the same time feeling sorry for little Johnny because his parents most likely had an NES/SNES and he won't get any time to play it.

I'll be honest and say that if older games are downloadable for free (or even cheap) it's going to be the first next-gen system in my media cabinet.

Re:N64 Support? (1)

Given M. Sur (870067) | more than 9 years ago | (#12715653)

I like your ideology, but I don't think it's realistic.

Most parents will just buy what their kids tell them to buy. When I worked at Target I tried everything I could to convert all potential Xbox or PS2 buyers to buy a gamecube. Especially those with little kids (hey I'm an anti-microsoft nintendo fanboy - what do you expect?). I succeeded maybe two or three times. I failed dozens of times, despite the $50 price difference.

I would also warn parents that they probably shouldn't be buying Grand Theft Auto (and other M games) for their six year old. I succeeded maybe ten times, and failed dozens of times.

Sure this may be anecdotal and may not take into account free downloadable games (which others have pointed out may not actually be true), but it does help illustrate the point that parents will buy what their kids tell them to buy.

Re:N64 Support? (1)

TD-2779 (840642) | more than 9 years ago | (#12716661)

That'd be great, except that the GameCube didn't slaughter the Xbox when it started sell for $100 cheaper.(day 1)

Makes the Revoution Sell (2, Interesting)

sehryan (412731) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712919)

This is the feature that will make the Revolution sell to current non-Gamers. For instance, my wife, someone who is decidedly not a gamer, said we are definitely getting a Revolution as soon as I told her about being able to play all the old school Nintendo games.

Re:Makes the Revoution Sell (1)

DavidLeblond (267211) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713040)

Tell me about it. I got Super Mario Sunshine with my Gamecube and let my wife play it who grew up playing the original Super Mario Bros. As soon as I told her "the little yellow stick controls the camera" she never touched it again.

I don't blame her though. I miss the NES. You only needed to know A, B, Start and Select.

Don't forget... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714417)

Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, and Right.

Then B, A, and Start.

Re:Makes the Revoution Sell (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12713097)

> For instance, my wife, someone who is decidedly not a gamer, said we are definitely getting a Revolution as soon as I told her about being able to play all the old school Nintendo games.

If your wife is not a gamer, I wonder what mine is. She would say something along the line of:

"Err, exactly, who is Nintendo ?"

Re:Makes the Revoution Sell (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714384)

I guess I don't understand the logic of this statement. I think this would appeal to gamers and former gamers that have played all the old Nintendo games and want to have them all on one console. I don't see how it will bring non-gamers in though. It seems like the other "multi-media" consoles would do that more since non-gamers would be more interested in things other than gaming.

Re:Makes the Revoution Sell (1)

Synbiosis (726818) | more than 9 years ago | (#12715305)

" I don't see how it will bring non-gamers in though. It seems like the other "multi-media" consoles would do that more since non-gamers would be more interested in things other than gaming."

Because a lot of people quit playing videogames because they've become more complicated.

Mario? All you needed was one button. Sonic? Same thing. Pacman? Simple as hell. Eat all the little dots, and millions played.

But when you get all the camera angles, managing inventory, 10 different buttons that do 10 different things and analog sticks that click, it's no longer a pickup and play game. You have to sit down and *learn* how to play, and many potential gamers either don't have the time or just don't want to do it.

Re:Makes the Revoution Sell (1)

bynary (827120) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714869)

Exactly. If I tell my wife that I can buy a Revolution and she can play her precious SMB and Mario Kart, she'll be the one insisting on buying it. I'm buying one.

Re:Makes the Revoution Sell (1)

TheBunk (741153) | more than 9 years ago | (#12716517)

Actually mine has said the same thing, when I was explaining about E3. This was her response: "Really? You mean like, Mario Brothers and and Mario Kart? Those are the games that I loved playing."

Why not read the original interview? (4, Informative)

Swanktastic (109747) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712924)

Here at Gamespot [gamespot.com]

Don't you love it when an interview conducted by a first-tier site is rewritten by a second-tier website a week later, then posted to Slashdot? I know I do.

Re:Why not read the original interview? (2, Funny)

ferrx (889151) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712988)

Yep, but that's just the thing, Slashdot isn't reporting the interview which was conducted a week go, they're reporting an article writer's misundertsanding of said interview.

Re:Why not read the original interview? (1)

Blackwulf (34848) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714086)

AND, on top of THAT, the misunderstanding ALSO TOOK PLACE a week ago! (May 27th, and the interview was on May 26th.)

Great Move Nintendo (1)

Karem Lore (649920) | more than 9 years ago | (#12712996)

No-one has yet picked up on what this means for the Nintendo Revolution in our current market place. While many will pay £300-400 for a PS3 or X-Box 360 many will not. Not only because of initial outlay, but because of cost of games.

This move by Nintendo, on a console that is likely going to cost less, is brilliant marketing...Not only do they fill the die-hard Nintendo fans, but they entice all the families that don't spend £300-400 on a console plus 40 pound a game to but a £200 console that, at least for now, will keep the kids happy with old games while keeping daddy happy because all he has to do is buy one or two sport games. The whole family is happy, and for quite a bit less money.

The Nintendo Revolution sounds more and more like a family console, and less as a punk-mid-teens/late maturing mid twenties men's machine like the Xbox360 and PS3.

Re:Great Move Nintendo (1)

nameless_child (874853) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713194)

I very much agree. Nintendo is finally going to be attracting their intended market in full force. Nintendo was never really meant for those who are out there bashing it.

At the very least they'll also be attempting to penetrate the other market. Because... Who that was around for the NES era doesn't have plesant nintendo memories they can now relive.

I just wonder if they'd end up allowing older GB and GBC titles. While they wouldn't look great on a TV... They could allow re-writeable carts for the DS which does hook up to the Revolution. (Transfer the games to a blank cart anybody?)

Re:Great Move Nintendo (1)

SScorpio (595836) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713839)

They could just allow the games to be sent to the DS wirelessly since both the Revolution and DS support WiFi. Sure the games will be lost if you power down (you have sleep mode though), but I doubt they will release a re-writable cart as that may allow the ability to pirate DS games.

Classic NES, SNES and N64 game free... (2, Insightful)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713212)

...and Nintendo makes a killing on Flash Memory expansions.

While how many Nintendo titles will be free and how much it will cost for others remains dubious, any number of quality games for free would be a true boon.

Regardless, I highly doubt Nintendo will charge $9.99 for all but the most insanely good NES and SNES games (such as Legend of Zelda), and only pass that for some N64 titles. In fact, I find it far more likely that most titles for all three emulators will be either free or excessively cheap, unlike Xbox Live Arcade.

Xbox Live Arcade requires 1) Xbox Live 2) A Special CD 3) Money to buy each individual arcade game. If you look at the prices, it's typically $9.99 per.

Re:Classic NES, SNES and N64 game free... (1)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713253)

...and Nintendo makes a killing on Flash Memory expansions.

Game images for older systems are really not all that big - you could easily fit almost all the NES games ever made into 200 MB or so, and most SNES games aren't very huge either. N64 images would be a bit space-hungry, though.

Could be that they'll use some sort of compression, too - most of the decent NES and SNES emulators can run games straight from a *.zip file, for instance.

Re:Classic NES, SNES and N64 game free... (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713368)

Concerning my title and completion of its sentence, it was just a joke.

Although some rapid radicals like myself will probably have a closet full of carefully indexed flash memory cards storing all the old games. :)

Re:Classic NES, SNES and N64 game free... (1)

Cheapy (809643) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713821)

Let's see, the Revolution is a next-gen console, and the Xbox is a current gen console. Why are you comparing the two? It's like comparing the year 2005 with 2006. No doubt the Revolution will be a great console and that these downloads (whether free or otherwise) will get some additional people to buy it, but you shouldn't compare the Xbox with the Revolution. On a side note, I remember reading a Wired article where the 'casual gamer' (people who play games and have a life) think that $10 is a good price for old arcade games.

nintendo.net (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713227)

Well according to the article, everything nintendo does will be free...

Now if that architecture is open for 2nd/3rd party devs (and comes standard in the dev kits) there should be no reason for backcatalogs and connection fees (unless you're doing an MMO at which point you have persistent server fees, GMs, and all that).

If Nintendo is truly doing this, then what we have here is a console battle.net system. And if Nintendo is doing this for free (at least for their games) that's got the potential to throw a monkey-wrench into MS's plans for Live. Especially if 3rd party multiplayer is free on Revolution but you gotta have a Live subscription for XBox.

Even if 3rd party devs can charge for online connectivity+back catalog, i'm not worried too much. The sad fact is that the amount of 3rd party support for Nintendo consoles has dropped considerably since the SNES.

i would buy.. (1)

LewieP (883971) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713284)

i would pay £100 (around $200?) for a gamecube that had the ability to download NES SNES AND N64 games for free, the ability to play revolution games would be a bonus.

If nintendo keep the price of the unit down i can see the revolution very successful, its great how nintendo seem to be using there stregnths instead of trying beat sony and microsoft at their own games. No other single game developer has the heritage and consistant quality that nintendo have, execpt maybe sega, but not so much nower days.

It seems ironic to me that people criticised nintendo for keepin the cartridge format for the N64, and blamed that for why the playstation became dominant, but it could be a factor in regaining nintendos dominance, as it would be much harder and NSF56K to allow gamers to download CD games, at 700mb (+with more disc!)

Re:i would buy.. (1)

TheBunk (741153) | more than 9 years ago | (#12716553)

It seems ironic to me that people criticised nintendo for keepin the cartridge format for the N64, and blamed that for why the playstation became dominant, but it could be a factor in regaining nintendos dominance, as it would be much harder and NSF56K to allow gamers to download CD games, at 700mb (+with more disc!)

If only I had mod points right now...

BS (3, Informative)

Khuffie (818093) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713322)

Why not link to the actual Gamespot [gamespot.com] article, that never says things in such a clearcut way as gamesradar does?

Here's the quote:

GS: Do you plan on having like a per-download pricing model along the lines of the microtransactions that will be used in the next-gen Xbox marketplace GH: Well, we can use it in a variety of ways. We've used some of the older games already as little bonuses, either as bonus gifts or hidden in levels of games. Certainly for the first-party titles we'll be making some of those available. We haven't really talked about whether we would sell them. The third parties can make their own decision whether they want to sell them, or maybe they will add it on as sort of a free benefit when you buy a current version of the game.

Wait, wait, I've got this one... (2, Funny)

Intellectual Elitist (706889) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713333)

Nintendo fanboy: "This is just more proof that Nintendo understands gamers better than anyone else. I mean, who would have ever thought that you could play older games on a current console? Nintendo doesn't need cutting-edge technology when they have cutting-edge ideas like these! Let all those other posers have their Grand Theft Halo 7 or whatever -- I'm perfectly content playing only Mario, Metroid, and Zelda games!"

XBox fanboy: "Nintendo R teh sUxX0rZ, d00d. XBox graphics R sick, w/ redder blood + tight controls + Live just r00lz. DOA Volleyball + Blood Wake R sw33t. I saw teh 360 on MTV and it pwns!"

Playstation fanboy: "I'm glad that you enjoy your cutesy games about fat, mushroom-eating plumbers. In the meantime I'll be enjoying the largest game library of any console, and the vast majority of those new games will finally make full use of my obscenely expensive HDTV. $400-$500 for the console? Hell, I wipe my ass with that kind of money. I really couldn't care less about the Revolution."

Casual gamer: "Is this one of those stupid blogs? I just wanted to check my email..."

Re:Wait, wait, I've got this one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12713651)

More like:

Playstation fanboy: "Watch as I kill this thing! OMG! I'm killing it again! Now I'm throwing a football and Tony Hawk! Ha ha! Generic City Street Racer 3 is so fast, you can tell because of the blurring! It's just like That Racing Game: Slightly Improved, and Driving At Night With Neon, only better! Now I'm throwing a football at some sort of cat with a gun! I love being able to count the polygons on the screen!"

Correction: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12716931)

Xbox fanboy: "Watch as I kill this thing! OMG! I'm killing it again! Now I'm throwing a football and Tony Hawk! Ha ha! Generic City Street Racer 3 is so fast, you can tell because of the blurring! It's just like That Racing Game: Slightly Improved, and Driving At Night With Neon, only better! Now I'm throwing a football at some sort of cat with a gun! I love being able to count the polygons on the screen! Gaylo R0xxx0rs1111!!!!11five"

Re:Wait, wait, I've got this one... (1)

leland242 (736905) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713817)

Hey now, I have one of those obscenely expensive HDTV's in my living room - and I bought it to:

a) watch movies
b) play games

and I plan on using it for the Revolution!

(although didn't I read they arent supporting high def...wtf!?!)

Re:Wait, wait, I've got this one... (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714820)

Don't you mean:

Sony fanboy: "I'm glad that you enjoy your cutesy games about fat, mushroom-eating plumbers. In the meantime I'll be enjoying emulated NES and SNES games on my PSP."?

Re:Wait, wait, I've got this one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12715522)

What's a PSP?

Nice! (1)

Dr.Opveter (806649) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713373)

At some point it makes more sense to give stuff away to get goodwill from customers who are buying your newest toys anyway.

Or sometimes --like with GTA & GTA2, you can even get the oldies without owning the lastest.

What about rom trading (1)

alan_dershowitz (586542) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713456)

It would appear that all those roms people are trading on the Internet as "abandonware" aren't so obsolete after all.

Hardly abandoned. (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714020)

Nintendo has been quietly furious about ROM trading all along [nintendo.com] ; now they are taking constructive action by offering them via Revolution (as opposed to just destructive legal action). I think they are finally noticing the sites that call their 'ware "unused classics" (hint: search for that phrase + ROMs) and giving them what they want (all for the price of an original DRM tool, the console).

"Don't call it a comeback; I've been here for years..." --James Todd Smith

N64 (2, Insightful)

techstar25 (556988) | more than 9 years ago | (#12713609)

Although not comfirmed, it's certainly possible to get N64 games for free also. Mario 64 as well as the Zelda games from that generation would make the Revolution worth owning just for those alone. When you throw in the SNES and NES games and it's a no brainer. It's great that Nintendo is moving forward with the most novel, and brilliant use of an online service we've seen yet, considering they wouldn't touch online with the last generation.

Third party support (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12713948)

Has it occured to anyone else that this might be a move by Nintendo to bolster their third party support? I mean, if Nintendo can demonstrate that enough people are willing to pay a small ammount for an 'clasic' game ($1 Nes, $2 Snes, $5 N64) than many third parties (Sega, Namco, Konami, Square) may end up releasing both new and clasic games and using the revinue generated from the clasic games to offset development costs. If it is successful (and new 'clasic' games can be made) then companies could even end up having a small development team make a 2D game that is released at the same time as their New big budget game; for example square could Make Final Fantasy XX (at an enormous cost) and at the same time make Final Fantasy XX - 2D (at a comparitively smaller cost) and use the 2D version to tell another portion of the story.

To a certain extent, what I am saying is that if this works than Nintendo may have found a setup that is similar to how TV acts compared to Movies.

Great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714524)

Now I can get bored again by the exact same games I got bored of years ago.

Sold! (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714586)

Free? I'll wait and see I can't imagine Nintendo would turn down this goldmine opportunity. As long as it's cheaper then what the Nintendo classics for the GBA are (I think in Canada it's around $30 ea) this seems like a no brainer to me, even if most games do cost a bit. I'll get one (or maybe both) of the PS3 and X360 sometime, but the Revolution? That's a definite yes.

Refreshing! (1)

MrRoarkeLovesTattoo (878817) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714717)

It's nice to see a company come up with a novel idea once in a while. Nintendo seems to be making a smart move, one that's taking them out of comptetion with MS and Sony and putting them into another category.

What game will be free.. (0, Flamebait)

aka_big_wurm (757512) | more than 9 years ago | (#12715659)

SMB 1 - 3
Zelda
Anything good
NOPE!

The games that free will be like duck hunt, ET (yeah I know it was for Atari but it sucked), maybe zelda 2. But any good games Nentendo will suck another $5 - $20 out of your wallet for it.

Why not... (1)

Headcase88 (828620) | more than 9 years ago | (#12716774)

Charge money for all the games, but give $50 worth of downloads out of the box?

Then people can choose their favourite games and "buy" those instead of getting dredetermined free games, and feel like they're saving $50 off the Revolution.

any relation? (2, Funny)

J0re (603383) | more than 9 years ago | (#12716792)

from an interview with Nintendo of America VP George Harrison

Where's the rest of the staff? John, Paul, and Gringo?

What them "free" like Zelda:OoT was on GCN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12716802)

I think the best route for Nintendo to go with this online distribution method is make games free with a catch

examples:
- Purchase (and Uniquely register) Mario 128 and get Super Mario All Stars for Free!
- Revolution comes with 5 Free downloads right out of the box. Giant Marketing sticker on the box would say "Get 5 Free Classic Nintendo Games with the Revolution"
- Get a free game download after X revolution game purchases

list goes on but thats how you'd market these free downloads. People would eat this up so fast since they are getting more per purchase then just 1 game.
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