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Will Next-Gen Consoles Kill Off PC Gaming?

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the death-knell dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "CNET is predicting that next-generation consoles will drive the final nails into the already half-closed coffin of mainstream PC gaming. The root of their argument isn't one of power, but of price: 'The bottom line is that console manufacturers often heavily subsidize their new machines, swallowing huge losses up front in hopes that they'll make it all back selling games... Other things being equal, the DIY-heavy PC gaming industry can't hope to compete in that kind of market.' Which is to say that once the 18-34 demographic starts buying $400 PS3s instead of $400 video cards, developers may have no choice but to follow suit." Will there still be a market for PC games, or are the graphics of the next generation of consoles going to make PC games unnecessary?

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Tell me again (1, Insightful)

mboverload (657893) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714727)

...Why video cards cost 400 dollars when you can get a WHOLE CONSOLE with DVD drive and custom hardware for the same price?

Re:Tell me again (5, Insightful)

toddestan (632714) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714765)

You know, you can buy video cards that are well under $100 that have enough power to play any PC game out there. Only a fool spends $400 on a video card for their home gaming rig.

Re:Tell me again (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714815)

Um... I don't think so... Can you name a $100 (new, not used) video card that'll run HL2/CS:S at a decent framerate (40+ fps)? If you can, then I'll return my $300 video card and buy your $100 card!

Re:Tell me again (1)

Heian-794 (834234) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714766)

Because consoles are sold at razor-thin profit margins, with profits being made on the games.

Video card makers presumably have more room to gouge the buyer, especially if they've already locked themselves into a specific computer which requires it.

(Feel free to correct me on that second point as I have no idea about video card profit margins. But they have to be bigger than those of consoles.)

Re:Tell me again (1)

tehwebguy (860335) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714798)

usually the consoles aren't even made with ANY profit margin.

negative profit margin (1)

i41Overlord (829913) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714867)

Most new consoles are sold at a loss. They lose money selling them, in the hope that they can recoup the money from game royalties.

Re:Tell me again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714769)

Can we have a "death.slashdot.org" section to put all of these silly "blah is dying" articles so that I can ignore it and never have to read them? Thanks so much.

Re:Tell me again (2, Interesting)

baryon351 (626717) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714771)

Because a year after the console is released, when its hardware is now old-spec and new PC hardware is still right at the bleeding edge, the PC will out-game the console.

Two years after the console is released it'll be an even wider difference, and 3 years after it'll be incomparable

Re:Tell me again (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714831)

If you are already taking out the condom, you obviously don't need the oxytocin.

Re:Tell me again (1)

halltk1983 (855209) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714790)

video card manufacturers don't get kickbacks from developers... and most don't have in house development shops.

Re:Tell me again (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714821)

I'm curious how this affects the "trust level" of people who were previously burned, especially by the person you are expected to trust. Is it just automatic, or do you still have some ability to balance it... If not, this could turn out to be the holy grail for all kinds of good and evil purposes.

Re:Tell me again (1)

fantom2000 (700930) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714837)

never mind reating the FA, you didnt even read the damned description!
The bottom line is that console manufacturers often heavily subsidize their new machines, swallowing huge losses up front in hopes that they'll make it all back selling games..

Re:Tell me again (1)

painandgreed (692585) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714853)

...Why video cards cost 400 dollars when you can get a WHOLE CONSOLE with DVD drive and custom hardware for the same price?

Because your brand new $400 video card is much better than your 3 year old $400 game console that won't be upgraded for another two years.

Will Next-Gen Consoles Kill Off PC Gaming? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714728)

No.

Will Next-Gen Consoles Kill Off PC Gaming? (1)

KingBahamut (615285) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714732)

Not Likely.

1st (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714735)

heh heh

404 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714737)

slashdot was slashdotted?

Yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714740)

Or maybe no.

The opposite will happen! (3, Insightful)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714741)

Lets put it this way:
Consoles will take over PC gaming when they get the advantages of PC Gaming like bigger harddrives, better memory, better quality graphics...
And to get that, what do they have to be? Modern day PCs with rigid hardware. Basically a laptop.

I'm guessing within the next 5 generations, the console and PC market will converge...

Re:The opposite will happen! (1)

Badgerman (19207) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714842)

I don't think 5 generations myself. I see more 2-3. But I think you're on the right track.

Technologies are changing and converging all the time. Things don't die in many cases - they're adsorbed, modified, extended, or cloned.

One thing everyone seems to disregard... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714743)

This is GNAA Frist Psot!

-1 Flamebait (4, Funny)

aardwolf204 (630780) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714744)

I'd just like to mod this article -1 Flamebait.

Thank you,
Slashdot Reader

My answer (0, Redundant)

justforaday (560408) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714745)

Will there still be a market for PC games, or are the graphics of the next generation of consoles going to make PC games unnecessary?

Ummm, yes?

Yes (1)

mrtroy (640746) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714746)

Just like the last generation did.

reply based on my in-depth reasoned analysis: (0, Redundant)

snorklewacker (836663) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714747)

No.

Its all about availability. (5, Interesting)

suso (153703) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714749)

IMHO, the problem has never been about price, performance or convience (well, maybe a little). Its been mainly about titles. What games are actually available and if those games are solely for a specific platform. In the early 80s, Ataris were nice, but lost their luster with the availability of the C64. In the late 80s, most of the best games available where for the console systems, in the early 90s we started to see a switch back to computers and when Doom came out, it seemed like everyone was picking up a PC. Then Quake came out and with the Internet boom everyone bought new computers. Now people are going back to consoles because there are so many good games there that aren't available for computers. If someone made a game for Linux that really kicked ass, I imagine that suddenly a lot of people would be running Linux. Take for instance, Frozen Bubble. Great game play and highly addictive, got a lot of people to use Linux who didn't before.

This can be especially said of the 18-34 demographic which surprisingly always seems to have the money to get something that they really want. Like a new $400 video card to play Half-Life 2.

Someone needs to write a unique and really great game that is only available for Linux.

oh bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714750)

oh bullshit. we've heard this argument time and again. the last two generations of consoles were supposed kill off pc gaming. I have both, and enjoy both. FPSs I play on pc, everything else I play on console.

Another kind of subsidy... (2, Informative)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714752)

Piracy.

At least we'll always have Nethack.

I hope so (1)

generalleoff (760847) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714755)

I hope it causes a shift of games from the PC over to the Mac due to the similar architecture.

Re:I hope so (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714819)

I hope it causes a shift of games from the PC over to the Mac due to the similar architecture.

If this was Fark, your post would have an [UNLIKELY] tag.

Not likely (1)

goldcd (587052) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714874)

if you randomly pick a Mac in the wild it's going to need a new graphics card to run games - and that's ignoring the iMac/iMini owners who can't upgrade (and for that matter the laptop owners - although to be fair most windows laptops are non-gaming machines).

I highly doubt it. (4, Interesting)

Willie_the_Wimp (128267) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714756)

Well,

There are games that make sense on a console (driving sims, fighting games, etc.) and games that work better on a PC (first person shooters (arguable), MMORPGs, RTS, etc.). I know that personally, I will want to have both for the forseeable future. I love driving on my high def TV, but I despise playing first person shooters on the console, due to the lack of control.

People are always trying to be the first to drive a nail in some coffin. In this case, it is highly premature, IMO.

Willie

Not at all... (2, Informative)

th3space (531154) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714757)

But they'll drive another nail in the coffin...it's cheaper for developers to put out games for one or two hardware configurations rather than trying to optimize for for hundreds of potential configurations. Further, they can easily set a higher price point...most new PC games I get are around 29.99 or 39.99 USD, as opposed to 49.99 for most console games I purchase...

The big hope for PC gaming is open source games and modding...but even that is, as yet, still pretty unproven - outside of CounterStrike, of course.

Re:Not at all... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714864)

I used to be in a graduate psychology program.

If it was a social psych. experiment, 29 participants would have been considered enough. I have no idea why.

I was in developmental psych. and was expected to get a minimum of 200 participants for my own study. Likewise, people in the cogntive psych. program had to get 100 or more participants.


Quick answers (2)

twl1973 (877541) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714759)

Will there still be a market for PC games

Yes.

or are the graphics of the next generation of consoles going to make PC games unnecessary?

No.

not completely (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714760)


Everybody has a PC. Not everybody has a console. The console will never win online RPGs.

Ask me again... (2, Interesting)

Handpaper (566373) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714761)

when somebody builds a user-upgradeable console.

I don't want another device (2, Insightful)

prgrmr (568806) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714762)

I don't want a console or appliance or what is really a second, specialized PC. I also would like to be able to play my old DOS-based games (Red Baron, various Star Treks, Dawn Patrol and the like) on my exising PC without having to jump through a thousand hoops to do it.

Re:I don't want another device (1)

PrettyPrincess (673857) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714865)

Yes! Exactly. I'm seriously thinking about renovating one of my spare-parts boxes that is sitting in my garage just so I can go back and play all my King's Quest and Space Quest games that just will not run on my nice new PC. I don't think PC gamers are going to leave behind their favorite mode of gaming for something new and flashy. Come on, we're still trying to play games that are ten, fifteen years old... So I bet ten years down the line we'll be trying to find ways to get our machines to play the games we're buying now.

Consoles don't pentrate the market at $400 (1)

SewersOfRivendell (646620) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714764)

Widespread adoption has never happened before at that price. What's different now? Older gamers want to pay more ? Well, maybe. Try $199.

Re:Consoles don't pentrate the market at $400 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714841)

It is entirely plausible that people who are naturally charismatic are somehow making use of this mechanism. However, such people are often excused of wrongdoing by followers - including those followers who are burned, strongly suggesting that personal injury and self-preservation are NOT factors.


Since the effect seems to be producable by a spray, it is entirely possible that the human body releases low levels of this stuff naturally. If that is indeed the case, it might be interesting to see what the levels are around "in person" celebrities - stage performers, those politicians who mingle with the crowd, etc. My guess would be that people who make it in such environments differ at this kind of chemical level from those who prefer to be kept at a distance (it's hard to see how chemical traces could get through a movie screen, for example).


My guess would also be that cult settings include (by accident or design) an exceptionally high concentration of this chemical. If you think about the "stereotypical" settings for such things, you are generally looking at highly charismatic people (see above theory), and very probably a high usage of all kinds of evaporating oils, incence, perfumes, etc. In such a setting, the adding of something that lowered mental resistance would seem to be more of a question of what form it took, rather than whether it was being done.


Despite the First and Seventh Amendments, I would think that it would be a very good idea to ban the willful use of any chemical that impairs reasoning or ability to trust, especially in any religious or political situation where abuse has the potential to be monsterous.


I would also suggest that the law on such matters as criminal insanity be adjusted to allow for this finding, as it would seem possible that a person's ability to tell right from wrong, or make rational judgements as to who to believe on certain matters, would be impaired only in the presence of the person they were around at the time, making it impossible for an independent psychologist to accurately assess the state of mind under laboratory conditions.


It would seem a grave miscarriage of justice to allow serious abusers of human chemical imperetives to be utterly free and lawfully able to continue that abuse, no matter what the consequences. Likewise, it would also seem to be a grave miscarriage of justice if victims of that abuse could be imprisoned or executed because the law had failed to recognize the reality and implications of that abuse.


This is not to sat that all criminals are really innocent victims, but rather that some unknown percentage may well be, especially where cults and charismatics are concerned. I think that the authorities should be taking this seriously. At least, more seriously and more rapidly than said cults and charismatics are./p

More than video (5, Insightful)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714767)

PC games are about a lot more than just the graphics. And there are still going to be a lot of people who own a PC- to do PC things, who wont own a console. PC games may not be the top money maker but they will still be around for a long time.

Re:More than video (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714834)

Yes, I fully agree with the above... Personally, I think that a law should be passed to make the use of this new chemical and it's relatives illegal except for medically important purposes (i.e. for medical research or with a prescription).

Dupe (1)

stlhawkeye (868951) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714772)

This is a dupe of a story that was published before the PS2 came out.

Woogie... (1)

aftk2 (556992) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714773)

How could $400 next-gen consoles kill of PC gaming, when $300 consoles failed to do so?

I mean, this is coming from a console gamer and a Mac user, so the idea of using a computer for gaming is completely alien to me. ;-) but even still, there will always be folks for whom the latest video card is a requirement, who want to play games that really aren't served on the console - like, oh, say...World of Warcraft?

Ewww.. consoles (1)

bsquizzato (413710) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714775)

Until you don't play consoles with a nasty controller with a joystick to aim and drive or whatever I will not bother buying one for myself. I can't leave my mouse behind (for FPS's, at least, and that's all I care about)

PC Games obsolete? I hope not... (1)

PrettyPrincess (673857) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714779)

Maybe I'm just addicted to my desktop, but I think that it's easier and more cost effective as a gamer to have my computer to play my games on, rather than having to buy a Playstation, X-Box, Nintendo, or whatever else comes out next. Almost all of my favorite PC games are dual released for the console and the PC. Plus, since I use my PC for web and graphic design, it's going to need upgrades anyhow - better to spend my money on a sweet system then to keep tossing it away on consoles that get replaced every two years anyhow.

Re:PC Games obsolete? I hope not... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714835)

Wow... I guess you've never been in the position of having to sell a product or service. It's a very core principle of professional salesmanship: if the prospect doesn't trust you, he will never open his wallet. 90% of the sales process is working to build rapport and trust with that person. People don't decide to buy or not to buy based on reading the stacks of whitepapers and literature thrown at them. They don't call your previous customers to ask how your track record looks. It all boils down to how they personally feel about the guy trying to influence them, aka "trust".

No issue (1)

Mattygfunk1 (596840) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714781)

Which is to say that once the 18-34 demographic starts buying $400 PS3s instead of $400 video cards, developers may have no choice but to follow suit.

Serious gamers use serious hardware and have the serious dollars to get the best. While gamers have cash, developers will be there to look after their needs.

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Re:No issue (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714830)

The experimenters reported p=.029 (one-tailed) with their results. If you accept the one-tailed test, it is "statistically significant" by conventional standards.

And N=58 (29 people per group) is pretty typical for single studies in the behavioral sciences. Ultimately, the grandparent is right -- this needs to be replicated. But that's true of single studies in any scientific field, no matter the sample size or p-value. This is an exciting enough discovery that you can bet lots of scientists are going to try to replicate it.


Not that this doesn't come up every time (1)

lastchance_000 (847415) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714784)

... a new batch of consoles are announced, but no.

Personally, I like the depth, complexity, and expandability PC games have, that consoles (so far) have lacked. Perhaps online access and hard disks for consoles will change that, but I doubt it.

Re:Not that this doesn't come up every time (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714832)

Not necessarily.

The standard deviation of a binomial distribution is sqrt(n.p.(1-p)) where n is the number of subjects and p is the probability of maximal trust.

Thus, out of a sample of 29 people and with p=0.21 the standard deviation is 2.2.

Thus, 13 is 3.2 standard deviations away from 6. There is only a 0.07% chance that these are from the same distribution.

Thus, they can conclusively conclude that this spray had a statistically significant effect on trust.

You can make it more complicated if you wish but the basic fact remains that you can get statistically significant results from small samples. In this case there is only a 0.07% chance that they are wrong.


Half closed? (1)

mesmartyoudumb (471890) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714785)

PC gaming is bigger than ever; Counter strike and the massive hit World of Warcraft show no signs of slowing down.

Mice (2, Interesting)

mboverload (657893) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714787)

Consoles will have kill PC gaming not because of what they can do, but because of what they lack: A mouse. Microsoft has said it has no intension of making one and I think I heard Sony say the same. If you are a gamer you know that first person shooters are pretty much unplayable on consoles. The only way I'm buying UT 2007 on an xbox is if they have a mouse with it. How the hell am I supposed to aim across the map with a fking analog stick?

Re:Mice (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714833)

This hormone is produced when female nipples are stimulated [birthingnaturally.net]

Re:Mice (1)

dayid (802168) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714885)

That, and around 104 keys to bind :)

Also consider the ease-of-use (3, Insightful)

Kainaw (676073) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714788)

I had an Intellivision and then an Atari 2600. After that, I felt that if it deserved to be a computer game, it deserved to be on a computer. Then, over the past few years, it became a headache. My wife would buy some new game and I knew that I would have to spend a few hours downloading updates and configuring it to work properly. I just got sick of it and bought a PS2. Now, you just pop in the disk and play - no driver updates and no configuration. I think that the ease-of-use will be a major factor in getting people to move from PC to console.

Re:Also consider the ease-of-use (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714829)

It's released a lot of times... usually during intimacy.

it's released:
- during sex
- when a mother holds her baby
- when nursing
- when two people are holding each other

I had a professor who called it "the Cuddle Drug". It's been thought to play a major part of the "bonding" process, parent/child as well as romantic relationships.

And no, it's not Oxycontin, which is a completely different thing.

m-

Never will happen (1)

SerpentDrago (703376) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714789)

Pc Games have there place , and until I can play games at 1200x1600 32bit with 8x AA on a console. I will forever be a pc gamer at heart. Plus , who really LIKES playing FPS with-out a mouse and keyboard ..........

Re:Never will happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714827)

That's oxycontin -- we're talking about oxytocin.

Different thing altogether.

Although with a jar of both I imagine you could have a heck of a party.

At the end of which, (wait for it), you'll probably need some OxyClean.

How's that any different from today? (1)

Frangible (881728) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714793)

Consoles have always been cheaper than PCs, yet PCs still have done fairly well because of the additional power and flexibility they offer over consoles. The bulk of the game market today is still in consoles, so no, most people don't spend $400 on a video card. That's a small number of PC owners.

They're different markets. And yeah, I've seen the very impressive Powerpoints and pre-rendered FMV "proving" the PS3 will be faster than a PC, but I hope you'll forgive me if I take that with a grain of salt, considering that Sony claimed the exact same thing with the PS2 and it's "emotion engine"... that in the end, turned out to be barely faster than the Dreamcast.

Will the next-gen consoles outsell and outmarket PC gaming? Absolutely. There's no doubt in my mind. They always have, and they do today. But that's hardly the death of PC gaming. It's apples and oranges.

The article got it all wrong (1)

Troed (102527) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714795)

The bottom line is that console manufacturers often heavily subsidize their new machines, swallowing huge losses up front in hopes that they'll make it all back selling games

The following consoles were sold at a loss of more than a few dollars:

Sega Saturn
Sega Dreamcast
Microsoft Xbox

... all others have been sold at a profit or at a maximum of a few dollars loss just after a price drop.

Re:The article got it all wrong (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714825)

29 huh? Doesn't that seem a little low for good experimental results? I mean, 13 to 6 isin't really that signifigant of a number in the long run. I'll wait to judge until this study is repeated.

Well, no, because . . . (1)

Badgerman (19207) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714796)

I own a computer system for more reasons than gaming - development, office tools, internet connectivity, graphic editing, etc. This means, in short, I can game on it as well. I admittedly rarely do because I AM using all of the above, but still.

A computer is owned for a variety of reasons - a console largely for only one (though they are expanding). However the "footprint" of computers is rather large, so there's a reason to serve the market.

In addition, a computer is multifunctional. Any number of my friends and co-workers will game, code, chat, surf, and do gods knows what else online at the same time. A console itself, as of this time, is limited to one thing at one time.

The real question I'd say is how are things going to change in the future as distribution and price changes. The idea of some wholesale die-off seems rather extreme, and ignores the various possible outcomes.

Re:Well, no, because . . . (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714826)

Its interesting that when a computer was the trustee, there was no measured effect from the oxytocin. If this effect is replicated for all non-human interaction, then the use of this on a larger scale would seem to be limited. However, there are interesting repercussions for the use of this kind of thing in business negotiations, where there can be control over the environment and a degree of trust could have a vital swing in decisions made

Being able to 'over-ride the fear of being betrayed', as it is put in the article could be a powerful factor in swaying decisions, and I would hope that by the time of any mass-market availability or application that ways and means of testing would be available for those environments that require 100% impartiality./p

Re:Well, no, because . . . (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714887)

theres no pill on earth which will make a person stupid

Dude, have you ever heard of Ecstacy?/p

Try playing an RTS like Age Of Empires on a (1)

vijaya_chandra (618284) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714797)

console
No sir this is just hype
what people might finally do is just buy a console to sit along with their puters
and probably buy those mods that let you make them load something like linux and get a super powerful desktop for a fraction of cost

Re:Try playing an RTS like Age Of Empires on a (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714823)

Oxytocin scented heavy duty condoms; sold at truck stops everywhere!

There is still a big difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714799)

The one key point missing is that computer games have a lot more potential for interaction within the game. With a full keyboard and mouse to use, your gaming experience is significantly different than if you are simply using a game controller.

Convenience is also an issue. I use my computer for many things, and when I'm not working I like to take a little break by playing games. I don't want to have to stop everything I'm doing and go somewhere else to play games. Not only that, but consoles are definitely not allowed in most offices, while you can sometimes get away with games.

Of course there will be a market for PC games. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714800)

Hundreds of garage-style game studios that can't afford to buy console dev-kits will always produce games for PCs, and even Macs and Linux. So, yes there will be a market for PC games and $500 video cards for a long time to come.

MMOs are still a PC market game. Probably 10 years out from getting a majority of MMO players on a console (I mean, geeze, it's hard to cheat on a console-based MMO!).

PC game market will continue to shrink (1)

jbellis (142590) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714801)

And improved graphics have very little to do with it.

More important is increased network support on next-gen consoles.

Even more important, though, is the reason that the console game market is already much, much larger than the PC one: developers only have to test on one (or 3, if you're going cross-platform) hardware configuration, not dozens.

Re:PC game market will continue to shrink (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714824)

For this to really be worked out you need to do multiple test on a much larger scale. The people in the one group could have just been suckers.

even more (1)

rozz (766975) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714802)

not only PC-Gaming, the whole home-PC industry is in danger.
just add a browser, an email app and a picturre/movie/music/tv player to that game-console and over 90% of the people dont need the home PC anymore

Re:even more (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714822)

When the trustee was a computer, there was no difference between the two test groups."

Except they were *way* cooler....

In Further News... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714806)

Home computers still only need 640kb and no one will ever need color graphics in the home.

--Captain obvious posts

Battlefield 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714807)

Lets see if they still talk about this in two weeks (after Battlefield 2 has been released.)

Other Markets (1)

bigattichouse (527527) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714808)

Ok.. so when will we see the OfficePro 9500 console? Filled to the brim with office apps and productivity software... VOIP, and lan built in.. shell out $100/user and off you go.

don't worry about worms or OS issues, since it boots fresh every time.

This seems silly (1)

Approaching.sanity (889047) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714809)

People will always have desktop computers and they will always want to grab a round of UT2004 during their coffee break.

The PC market is quite safe.
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PC Gaming (1)

McFadden (809368) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714811)

Will there still be a market for PC games, or are the graphics of the next generation of consoles going to make PC games unnecessary?

Uhh... of course not.

How else can I kill time at work? My boss seems reluctant to buy me a Playstation 3.

Why now? (1)

Spez (566714) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714812)

I think this argument has been on for quite some time now.

There has always been two parallel gaming world. Those with PCs, and those with console. I don't think that with the new generation it will change. In fact, other console were less expensive in the previous generations compared to computers, but the computer gaming world didn't die, did it?

I think the fact that more and more people are getting a computer at home (for internet, word processing and other things) and that they get sold some high line PC, they are potential game customers (or their kids), and that reduces the potential to buy a console.

And its not as if the price was the only restriction in the gaming world

I don't think most pc gamers run (1)

jbplou (732414) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714817)

I don't think most pc gamers are running $400 video cards, I bet 80 - 90% of pc games are sold to people who don't even know what kind of video card they have. This seems to use generalsations to there point.

Huh? (1)

Epistax (544591) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714828)

I never plan on buying another console. Why buy a console for $400 when a new graphics card costs $100 (by new, I mean able to play new games). The other intensive things I do assure that I have enough RAM and to the least extent CPU power.

I simply don't see a reason to own a console until I have no choice (bundling it with home media system).

I'd hope so too... (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714836)

Then with all the corporations not making PC games anymore, maybe we'd get independant startup companies like Orgin and Sierra again.

Back in the day when anyone with a compiler and free time could make a game.

One can only dream though... Since this is an unrealstic expectation since modern games need teams of artists and coders.

keeping me from switching (1)

ywwg (20925) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714838)

I would switch if there was a console that had REAL keyboard and mouse input. There's a hack for xbox, but it's only a hack. I can't live without my mouse and keyboard!

more powerful than PCs (0)

dioscaido (541037) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714839)

This will truly be the first generation of consoles that are more powerful than their PC counterparts.

Even by December, when the XBOX360 comes out, the CPU power of the desktops won't come close to XBOX's 3 3.2Ghz G5 chips, or Sony's similar Cell architecture.

There will always be those $700 video cards that are better than the cards on the consoles. But now consoles are almost indistiguishable from PCs functionality wise (at least the xbox has online, usb peripherals, chat, etc..., sony promises the same), there's just not enough of a reson to spend as much.

Next, next gen will! (1)

antigrimace (683222) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714840)

This comes up every time there is a next gen. -sigh- PC gaming will always be around because people want to have the choice of dynamic titles and until every console has a mouse and keyboard, PC gamers will keep to the PC.

As an old time PC gamer (1)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714843)

The thing that makes me cringe is giving up the keyboard and mouse. I'm not only talking about only FPS, I'm talking any game. There are simply more buttons on a keyboard/mouse combination. That means you're not learning a bunch of seemingly random controller moves to do what you have to do.

I'm not criticizing people who use controllers. I've tried to use them several times in my 40 years, but I just cannot get use to them as I'm just too god-darned old.

It Depends (1)

xCepheus (687775) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714846)

... on a few things. Although Xbox Live is a step in the right direction online gaming is still superior for PC gamers. I can't imagine pulling off something like WoW on a console and it being successful perhaps sometime in the future but not right now or with the next generation of games.

Another issue is the input interface. If you take the example of FPS games... a mice is still superior to any dual-analog console controller in terms of quickness and accuracy.

To truly pull away hardcore PC gamers to the consoles the console developers need to consider these issues. There are probably more I'm missing and it's probably from all that damn Jaegermeister I drank last night.

PC Game ports are easy (1)

insanely_mad (636449) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714851)

PC is the easiest game platform to develop for, so game companies can just do a port... there are enough PC owners that there will always be some market. Also, Microsoft has made it so xbox games can use the exact same libraries as PC games, so making PC versions of xbox games can nearly be as simple as compiling the same code for the PC platform.

Wait a minute... (1)

Sandbox Conspiracy (836255) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714854)

You mean this isn't a Dvorak article? I'm stunned.

Unlikely (1)

mykroft42 (831331) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714856)

PC gaming will certainly never die it may just evolve away from the types of games that play best in a console environment. But I don't think I'm alone in believing that for a game like DOOM or Half-life there is no better controller than a keyboard and mouse and I guarantee these games look better at 1024x768 than they do on the 800x600 most televisons are limited to. Don't get me wrong I love my gamecube and PS2 but I still boot my PC to windows to play KOTOR, CIV, and HL2.

Sounds Familiar (1)

popo (107611) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714859)


Don't we hear this argument every time a new generation of consoles comes out?

Besides, until console gaming develops active mod communities (don't hold your breath), text chat (which would basically re-create the PC experience) and mouse support (ditto)... the console will always be an inferior platform.

Thumbstick control will *never* have the accuracy of mouse control. VOIP support results in chaos when used in a MMO environment. And modding is limited since a PC is usually required to create the mod.

The answer is no. Consoles will not be killing pc games any time soon.

Use as MultiMedia System (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12714860)

The simple fact is that there are two distinct segments. Ones that want to leverage the power of a PC and use the superior controls of an optical mouse and keyboard; then there are those that want the rumbling of a control pad. PC gaming took over for awhile when console was a bit behind. With the evolution of PCI Express, the "hype" of superior computing power will return in the near future. Clevernickname sucks balls.

Importance of Mods in Gaming (1)

TANK Ex Mortis (834949) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714861)

Until I can download and save all the mods, patches, utilities, and skins available for a PC game onto my console, I don't think I'll stop gaming with it.

Look at the long run (1)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714871)

How do they manage to subsidize the consoles? Simple: you pay over the odds for the games. On the PC games may cost as much at launch, but they go down much faster, and these days you can get some fairly decent games for free and a whole host at a fiver each. For someone who games a lot, the PC is far cheaper in the long run.

Generic Reply (1)

hyfe (641811) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714873)

No, X will not 'kill off' Y. As long as X and Y are two different products with different strengths; No X has ever outright killed off Y, nor will it ever. Y's userbase may however, given time, dwindle away to nothing as they gradually move on to better alternatives. However, a lot may happen before then. I get enough sensationalism elsewhere. Please don't add to it here too.

Not while mods are out there (1)

PIPBoy3000 (619296) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714879)

The biggest strength of PC games, in my opinion, is that it's fairly easy for 3rd parties to extend games. More and more games like UT24K, Half-Life 2, and Neverwinter Nights get their longevity through the community mods that spring up around them, rather than the game itself.

I'm a long-time NWN mod person. It's amazing how many cool things have appeared for the game, keeping a thriving community going for years after release. I don't think you'll ever see that sort of thing happen to consoles.

Consoles are great for focused, vendor-supplied gameplay. PCs excel in flexibility at the expense of complexity.

Ugh. Controllers (1)

Robert Hayden (58313) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714882)

Console games would be fine if the controlls didn't suck! Give me a mouse-and-keyboard controll for FPS cames rather than some thumbpad crap.

Plus, in their current forms, you really can't massively network like PCs can. Yes, that can change with more memory and more hard drive and better networking, but I still think we're at least 2 generations from seeing that.

There will always be something. (2, Interesting)

jmartens (721229) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714883)

That a PC can do that a console can't. But what really, consoles just keep getting closer and closer to just being PCs. I mean with everything I have heard about the new Xbox it is just a dumbed down PC. It really does seem like a convergence of such and maybe this type of convergence will make it easier for developers to create for PC and console.

PC Games? (1)

holzp (87423) | more than 9 years ago | (#12714886)

I figure another generation of hardware and the consoles will replace the PC's!
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