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North Korean Hackers Rival CIA?

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the wanted-leet-haxxor dept.

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Bitchslap_69 writes "According to a report in the South Korean paper Cho Sun Ilbo, North Korea 'employs 500-600 hackers who are tasked with hacking into computer networks and disabling enemy command and communication systems.' The person making this claim is Dr. Byeon Jae-jeong of the South Korean Defense Ministry's Agency for Defense Development (ADD). He claims the DPRK hackers to be 'equal to that of the CIA,' whatever that might mean."

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521 comments

PEOPLE WITH MOD POINTS: CALL FOR HELP (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:PEOPLE WITH MOD POINTS: CALL FOR HELP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721523)

The crapflood to which you link was perpetrated by people trying to get the flooders in Trolltalk banned. Hardly a good reason to defend the trolls.

err.. (-1, Troll)

Heem (448667) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721440)

In North Korea, only old hackers rival the CIA.

Re:err.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721509)

All your base are belong to us

Sure, maybe the CIA (4, Funny)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721443)

But what about the NSA?

Re:Sure, maybe the CIA (3, Funny)

Tarcastil (832141) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721447)

There's no such agency. ;)

Re:Sure, maybe the CIA (4, Funny)

Triumph The Insult C (586706) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721587)

NSA, those goofballs? how about the DISA, NIMA, or even S(*&LKJ()&* The United States is a wonderful country. I am proud to be an American and will protect my country as best as I can

Sure, maybe the NSA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721677)

Read "Body of Secrets: Anatomy of the ultra-secret National Security Agency; from the cold war through the dawn of a new century" by James Bamford.

The U.S. Air Force, Actually (1)

kingofalaska (885947) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721678)

The U.S. Air Force has a very serious program directed at taking down networks, taking over C&C systems, and a whole lot more. While the operational details may be secret, the general information is out there. And it's not fluff as I suspect this 'revelation' by North Korea is.

President Bush to Liberate Alaska! [blogspot.com]

Re:The U.S. Air Force, Actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721708)

Let me start out with the obvious, how about the FSF? Maybe see if one of their lawyers could be a trustee?

~Rebecca

ADD? (5, Funny)

roach2002 (77772) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721445)

An acronym of ADD could lead to great jokes about... ... hey wanna go ride bikes?

Re:ADD? (5, Funny)

roach2002 (77772) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721452)

There are 2 types of people on earth, those with ADD

Re:ADD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721461)

Look, I don't think you should be making fun of people with ADD. ADD can be a highly disabilitating disease... ooooooooooooh BRIGHT SHINY!

Re:ADD? (1)

obi-1-kenobi (547975) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721697)

and those with ADHD ;) *wonders off*

Re:ADD? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721716)

They could give the money back, but it would probably take days to locate individual donors. Because no one would get reimbursed for the time it takes to locate donors (if they can be found at all), the volunteers would essentially be working against the original intent for which the money was given.

Perhaps the money could be used to set up a trust for a scholarship fund. If the trust was set up properly, with the appropriate oversight, it could be a perpetual source of fund for students entering the computer science field.

Now who wants more computer scientists?

Anyone?

Re:ADD? (1)

Deltaspectre (796409) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721454)

You're right, I can't wait to make up a witty joke because ADD means Agency for Defense Developement and ... ... Wanna play Quake?

Re:ADD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721615)

What does the "A" stand for..?

a few questions (5, Funny)

appleLaserWriter (91994) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721448)

1. how does north korea get any bandwidth? Do they cross connect with china?
2. what good do mad hacking skills do you when you've just been assigned farm duty?
3. How can you hack with out access to doritos and pepsi?

Re:a few questions (1)

Yumi Saotome (470249) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721503)

4. How do they train these hackers? Even the privileged N. Korean students don't learn anything at all about the internet, for fear of western subversion.

5. Kim-Jong Il trusts 600 N. Koreans with the internet even though the last I heard, he was the only one with access to it in N. Korea?

Re:a few questions (3, Informative)

damsa (840364) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721609)

North Koreans go abroad to study. Japan is especially popular. I've heard of North Koreans in US schools. But not sure if it is just a rumor.

How can Kim Jong Il be the only one with internet in North Korea, what about the sysadmin. Or what about the nerdy North Korean teenager that comes in and cleans out his spyware. Or how can he Pwn in Star Craft without internet. I guess he can go to Lan Parties, but that gets old, especially when your Monitor is like 1000 pounds.

Re:a few questions (1)

Nazmun (590998) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721620)

South korea is where the net gamers are... north korea is like broken down tech deprived and just awful... ugh... fucken jungles.

How do they get trained hackers? (4, Informative)

gojomo (53369) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721640)

Maybe they kidnap them from Japan.

See for example their history of doing the same to acquire knowledge about the outside world:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2087627/ [msn.com]

Re:a few questions (1)

keyboardkungfu (889341) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721633)

but... they are so good at awping. if counter-strike was real.. all of korea would rule the world!

this is very interesting (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721449)

i fucking hate rob malda. [sourceforge.net]

This just in, North Korea has an army too! (3, Insightful)

l33t-gu3lph1t3 (567059) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721450)

My God folks, how is this news? Is anyone really surprised that a militant nation engages in information warfare?

Re:This just in, North Korea has an army too! (1)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721488)

Soon they'll be launching a giant tinfoil satellite to focus the sun's rays.

Re:This just in, North Korea has an army too! (4, Insightful)

toddbu (748790) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721624)

Don't say this too loud. I live in the Seattle area and know a guy in the storage locker business. A few years back when it was reported that N. Korea had a missle that *might* reach the U.S., he suddenly got flooded with requests for storage space from people wanting to move out of the area quickly. Many of them reported concern that we might get nuked real soon. While this might not necessarily be a bad thing if they took out Fremont, I seriously doubt that it would happen in my lifetime. It's really kind of funny when you think about it - there's the Cascadia Subduction Zone just off the Washington coast just waiting to deliver a magnitude 9.0 quake to this region and these guys are worried about N. Korea. I don't get why people worry about remote possibilities when there are real threats just around the corner.

Re:This just in, North Korea has an army too! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721711)

Please mod parent up. Projects like NeoOffice/J are making a big difference. A mere $50k a year could potentially mean a world of difference toward the continuation of a project like that. IHMO, it is far more worth of funding than projects such as... hmmm... from the LinuxFunds front page:

* Scarface: A 3D GTA Game
* Kavlon Coloring Book

Which would you rather have, a coloring book or NeoOffice/J? My vote goes to NeoOffice/J.

Re:This just in, North Korea has an army too! (1)

Rapsey (241302) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721500)

Are you talking about US or South Korea?

Re:This just in, North Korea has an army too! (1, Insightful)

revscat (35618) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721510)

Gotta keep the population a'skeered so that they'll support at them beelyuns in military spending. Hell no it ain't news. It's obvious. It's also probably a boldfaced lie. Getting truth out of the military is like squeezing blood from a turnip.

WMD? (2, Funny)

billoo (582690) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721451)

So does this mean that North Korean hackers have outdated information about their own country's WMDs?

We hack you very strongly (1)

5killz (772552) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721456)

We need to get an admin with Korean jurisdiction to rate Dr. Byeon Jae-jeong's account "-1 flamebait." He's head of a hacker army- you know he's got a /. account.

whoa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721458)

Watch out, in infinite time 500-600 korean hackers typing randomly on keyboards will crack any network, *AND* write the works of shakespeare!

Urgent news flash!! (0)

Brandon K (888791) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721462)

*flashback 40 years*

Breaking news! The reds in Korea have obtained nuclear weapons comparable to the United States! They even claimed it themselves! We're all doomed!

*end flashback*

*40 years later*

Breaking news! Today, North Korea has admitted to have nuclear weapons, and they are 1/10000 as powerful as those that the United Nations possesses! Run for your lives!

As you could probably tell, when a country is desperate, they'll lie about anything to make themselves seem up higher in the world.

Re:Urgent news flash!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721602)

Today, North Korea has admitted to have nuclear weapons, and they are 1/10000 as powerful as those that the United Nations possesses! Run for your lives!

*Flashback three and a half years.
Er, a dozen or so terrorists have box cutters knives. You had indeed better run for your life.
*End flashback*

Have you learned nothing? Its not the military capability, its the mindset and its the will to act.

Re:Urgent news flash!! (1)

GabrielF (636907) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721612)

When your country is run by a bunch of egomaniacal psychopathic nutjobs who are rapidly developing intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of reaching your shores it doesn't really matter whether they have .0001 or 10000 times more nukes than you.

Re:Urgent news flash!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721631)

> When your country is run by a bunch of egomaniacal psychopathic nutjobs who are rapidly developing intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of reaching your shores it doesn't really matter whether they have .0001 or 10000 times more nukes than you.

I'm pretty sure Bush and Co already have ICBMs capable of reaching any country in the world

this isn't news (2, Insightful)

unknown_goth (773919) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721466)

maybe if the CIA wasn't using such out dated software and dedicated so much of their time searching for the evils of the world then they could catch up on their reading and protect us from larger threats than a plane going into a building. I'm sure there is some pretty smart guys in the CIA, but what motive to they have to improve their skills? I'm too tired to put much more thought into this but this is nothing surprising we all know the russians are way better than us as well. By the way how are the people working on stem cells comparing the rest of the world right now. . . about the same that figures. this is my 2 cents for the moment, please mister CIA guys don't come knocking on my door, i've gotta go to sleep before work tomarrow.

Food (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721470)

Perhaps instead of employing 500-600 hackers to deter a threat that they create to intimidate their own people they should consider giving their people some food so they don't starve to death.

Re:Food (1)

jpardey (569633) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721684)

I have a feeling that those 500-600 people will make little difference. And you talk about detering a threat they create. Ever heard of the Bay of Pigs invasion?

Perhaps nuclear and computer threats will make other countries lift embargoes on North Korea (I am unsure what embargoes are in place). I doubt it myself... but it would do more good to have more trade and more skilled technicians than to have a few more farmers.

Woo! (1, Offtopic)

shimbee (444430) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721476)

Thankfully, our intelligence-gathering/spying community is awful!

well.. (3, Interesting)

ltwally (313043) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721477)

Well, first of all: The CIA isn't tasked with electronic/computerised intelligence/counterintelligence; that's the NSA's job.

And, second of all: Having experienced the wrath of korean hax0r's myself, while playing Counter-Strike, I can easily believe this.

Re:well.. (0, Troll)

revscat (35618) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721489)

Well, first of all: The CIA isn't tasked with electronic/computerised intelligence/counterintelligence; that's the NSA's job.

I'm pretty sure that the CIA's job these days is just to tell Bush whatever it is he wants to hear.

Re:well.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721506)

As far as item one, you're correct. It's a bit like saying they have bus driving skills equal to that of the railroad.

In other words, these fuckers are liars.

War in Iraq (-1, Flamebait)

revscat (35618) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721481)

I would just like to say that I am so glad we went to war in Iraq when all the other problems in the world are so distant. I mean, none of it is Bush's responsibility, of course -- of course -- but I'm just glad things in Iraq have turned out so peachy keen. Insane fascist dictators in southeast Asia? Hey, no problem. Now that we're done in Iraq AND Afghanistan, we can take care of this tinpot dictator post haste!

Where all da Marines at [go.com] ? Maybe after we take out Kim we can move on to problems that aren't manufactured or risk plunging the nation into fascism and theocracy, and that actually HELP people! Nutbag liberal notion, helping people, I know. But hey, I have a good heart. What can I say.

Re:War in Iraq (1)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721522)

Insane fascist dictators in southeast Asia?

I agree with your post, but are you referring to North Korea/Kim Jong-il? I'm no geography buff, but I could swear North Korea was, well, north.

Re:War in Iraq (1)

ptbarnett (159784) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721545)

I agree with your post, but are you referring to North Korea/Kim Jong-il? I'm no geography buff, but I could swear North Korea was, well, north.

Maybe you should look at a map of Asia.

Re:War in Iraq (1)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721607)

The same map in which the Koreas, Japan, China, and regions like Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Okinawa make up East (not southeast) Asia. I'm quite aware that the "north" in North Korea is relative, but if you think North Korea is in southeast Asia, you're a fecking retard.

Re:War in Iraq (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721582)

North Korea was, well, north
That is probably one of the stupidest statements ever. So, (assuming you're in the USA, the land where the world's smartest and dumbest people peacefully co-exist), do you mean to say that "North Mexico" is to the North as well? What about "North Brazil" or "North Australia" or "North Antarctica"?

Look, words like "North" and "South" are relative terms. The USA is to the north of Mexico, and to the south of Canada. Mexico is to the south of the USA. Canada is to the north of the USA. Similarly, "North Korea" is to the north of South Korea. Just because it's called "North Korea" doesn't mean it's to the north of everything on earth. Hope you got it. If you still have doubts, I'll be glad to explain them to you again.

Re:War in Iraq (2, Informative)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721592)

North Korea is not in southeast Asia. Northeast Asia is comprised of China, Japan, and the Koreas (plus places like Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Okinawa). I'm very much aware that north is a relative term, but my point was that Korea is still Northeast Asia.

Re:War in Iraq (1)

toddbu (748790) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721658)

Look, words like "North" and "South" are relative terms... Just because it's called "North Korea" doesn't mean it's to the north of everything on earth.

As soon as the north magnetic pole drifts over N. Korea then it will be. That is, until the Earth's magnetic poles flip, at which time it will south of everything.

Ask Paul Vixie to run it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721709)

He already runs a successful business [isc.org] .

He's not afraid to make controversial decisions and stand behind them (something one is going to need when one decides to donate to Project X and not to Project Y).

Re:War in Iraq (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721531)

North Korea is Communist, not Fascist. I.e., it is run by 'nutbag liberal' folks who claim that they are just trying to help people.

Re:War in Iraq (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721574)

Fuck you you brainwashed piece of shit. Liberals are the ACLU. Liberals are PFLAG, Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. Ben Franklin, John Kennedy, fucking Bill "Best President Ever" Clinton. Look up the goddamn definition of FASCIST before you go spewing your rhetoric any more. You wind up looking like the moron you are.

Go jerk off to Sean Hannity and you worthless, useless, spineless, "two wrongs make a right" fucktwat.

Re:War in Iraq (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721561)

Why is it the US's responsibility to take care of NK? We've stationed 30,000 troops there for 50 years so SK could develop into a stable, prosperous nation, I think the US has done more than enough. There are ~200 nations in the world. Maybe a few of the others could, you know, step up to the plate and handle this one from here on out? Everyone wants the US to be multilateral, except of course when there is a shitty, no-win situation to handle. In that case, everyone is taking the proverbial step back and leaving the US standing alone. Fucking cowards. China wants to be a superpower? Well, here you go China. Handle this. The EU thinks its a big player? Fine...have at it. Let's see how you like negotiating with the bat-shit crazy midget. A thankless friggin job to say the least.

Re:War in Iraq (1)

Goeland86 (741690) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721656)

Ok, first off, China won't handle it because of conflicting interests: It's interested in the SK economy, but ideologically NK is more likely to be their "friend". Second: Europe has had its own share of wars and enough internal problems to deal with. Once those problems are dealt with, maybe we'll see something happening. Third: The US has a national debt deeper than a black hole! The US owes money to everyone, so guess what, they bargain! They say "you owe us this much, so go take care of that, and we'll scrap that much off your debt". Of course, to go in and fix things costs $$, and we borrow more money... Thus it's a vicious circle, which our president obviously has NO CLUE of, since he virtually sank our debt when he took power. At least Clinton had realized the problem and was trying to get us independent! Now you go and think like that, and we'll be in a deeper shithole than we already are. Oh, and by the way, the US has less population than Europe, and China dwarves just about anyone on the planet. Should they try an invasion anywhere, they're guaranteed success just because of numbers. Just because we've got technology for "surgical strikes" doesn't mean we can stop everything. What good is a surgical strike going to do against 10,000 people coming after us? Get a basic idea of military strategy and a few reality checks now and then. I don't believe NK can dedicate that many ressources to hackers. More likely they're multiplying those numbers by 10 to make it sound great, but to tell you the truth, the hackers are probably under constant surveillance, because the leader trusts no one who has had contact with the outside. Besides, he didn't say it was the US' job to take care of the problem, did he? He just compared their hackers to what our CIA can do. Which, to be honest, is rather poor a standard. A comparison to the NSA would've been a better choice, if their level was good. Obviously they're confused. And I can't blame them. The whole planet has the impression the CIA is spying on them, thanks to those great myths created by Gary Powell and the Cuban Missile crisis... Times change, myths too, but usually they don't disappear, they get shadier the whole time.

Re:War in Iraq (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721717)

Who should get the LinuxFund Money?

  • Linus Torvalds
  • The Free Software Foundation
  • EFF
  • The Homeless Lunix Programmers Fund
  • Divy it up according to lines of code contributed to the kernal
  • CowboyNeal

Crow T. Trollbot


Re:War in Iraq (5, Interesting)

Dr Kool, PhD (173800) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721564)

One of the reasons we removed Saddam from power was to prevent him from getting nuclear weapons and becoming another Kim Jong-il. You seem to ask why we didn't liberate North Korea instead of Iraq. The reason is simple - if we go after North Korea then millions of our allies in South Korea will die. Seoul is very close to the border, and NK has a ton of missiles aimed at the SK capital right now - possibly some nuclear missiles. Right now the only way to deal with NK is to use diplomacy and to isolate Jong-il from the rest of the world. As each year passes, the world advances and becomes richer while NK stays stuck in 1950 forever. We can afford to wait this one out.

Re:War in Iraq (-1, Flamebait)

revscat (35618) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721588)

One of the reasons we removed Saddam from power was to prevent him from getting nuclear weapons and becoming another Kim Jong-il.

Wow, aren't you naive. Or stupid, take your pick. It's such a fine line.

As each year passes, the world advances and becomes richer while NK stays stuck in 1950 forever. We can afford to wait this one out.

While they sell nukes to God only knows how many people. Yeah man, that's real smart. Christ you're a stupid fuck.

KAHHHHHHNNNN!!!! (1)

artoffacts (850560) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721642)

I once saw The Wrath of Kahn dubbed in Pakistani. The "KAAHHHHHHHNNNNN" line was mysteriously removed and replaced with a "nothing to see hear" placard.

Re:KAHHHHHHNNNN!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721651)

Listen up, you stupid fuck.

"here" is not spelled "hear".

Jesus jumped up Christ, you'd think people would have gone to the spelling bee in third grade.

Re:KAHHHHHHNNNN!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721666)

Although I find spelling mistakes just as much irritating as you do, I think your reply was a bit too much, as I think maybe spelling it "hear" was an intended pun on his part. I mean, it should actually have been "Nothing to hear here", but "Nothing to see/hear" is appropriate as well.

Re:KAHHHHHHNNNN!!!! (1)

artoffacts (850560) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721667)

what can i say ... the translation was terrible too.

Missing change (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721712)

So THAT'S where all the tenths of a penny in my company's accounting software have gone!

Give it to Google (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721714)

Seriously, give it to Google to add an extra 126K to the Open source funds they're funding.

You can reasonable expect that they will distribute it with ethics rather than dip into it in expenses. If you appointed any other (read poor/legal/accountancy) administrator you would risk it being eaten in expenses.

Personally, I'd like to see Linux date and time libraries improved. I'd like to be able to convert from arbitrary time zone to arbitrary time zone, down to the nano second from any reasonable year up to 99999 AD.
Go spend it on that, even Windows time libraries don't handle this correctly (they don't handle day light saving properly) and its something I miss for a server.


Re:War in Iraq (1)

Jack Taylor (829836) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721661)

One of the reasons we removed Saddam from power was to prevent him from getting nuclear weapons and becoming another Kim Jong-il.

Actually, it wasn't known that Korea had nuclear weapons until after the end of the Iraq war - the war ended halfway through 2003 and Korea claimed they had nukes in September 2004.

Re:War in Iraq (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721715)

Boy it sucks to see how poorly this was run. :( "Nothing has come out of these accounts for months, save about $250/mo auto deducted for telecommunications expenses," Collord wrote. "I went off payroll in June of 2004 when I stopped working full time on this project and haven't incurred any expenses since. I was paid a salary of I believe like $28k per year. I haven't read my LinuxFund email since about January I believe." $28k/yr. $14/hr. I'd say that's about the quality level the fund administration appears to have received. "I'm certainly negligent," he said. "The short story is: the scale at which the business model seems to work is not commensurate with the overhead required to run a nonprofit well. Everyone that's been involved has been lackluster given the range of requisite skills -- technical and administrative and business development in total -- and ultimately burnt out." Try hiring a good business person. I'll bet you won't even need him/her full-time. In fact, you might be able to get somebody from SCORE very cheaply. Get interns with a biz background. You don't need geeks to administer the fund. You only need them to decide who gets what.

But could they hack a Gibson? (1)

joejoejoejoe (231600) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721485)

I watched Hackers and I KNOW this is what it takes to be l33t.

If they could haxor a Gibson, I'd be f34ring 3m.

-J4

Re:But could they hack a Gibson? (1)

unitron (5733) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721643)

"If they could haxor a Gibson, I'd be f34ring 3m."

Yeah, but if you hack a Gibson it turns into an Epiphone.

Re:But could they hack a Gibson? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721719)

How about using it to resolve the OpenOffice.org/FSF/Java thing? Either pay developers to get the Java bits working in GCJ, or rewrite them in some other language?

Re:But could they hack a Gibson? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721646)

In Korea, only old people hack the Gibson. The young studs hack Fender.

How about a more common metric? (1)

PlacidPundit (881182) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721494)

He claims the DPRK hackers to be 'equal to that of the CIA,' whatever that might mean."

Can somebody give this to me in Libraries of Congress or Volkswagon Bugs?

Re:How about a more common metric? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721527)

Well, a VW Beetle full of Korean hackers can turn out more LoCs of code than a beetle's worth of american hackers.

Of course that isn't surprising, considering such a VW can fit 34.6 average DPRK hackers, while only 0.8 US hackers.

Let's be frank (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721496)

Does the north korean government have the resources to *feed* 500 hackers, much less train them and set them up with phone lines?

I don't take this too seriously. The Korean press in the North is engineered to make the North look invincible; the South Korean press sees the world the way a fish in a fishbowl does, and everything to its immediate north looks huge, overstated and distorted. I'd be willing to bet the most sophisticated hacking force in the Koreas is the spammers.

zerg (1)

Lord Omlette (124579) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721508)

He means, "They're not very good, but ignorant sheep will probably assume that they are."

Now why he would want to say something like that is, IMO, a more interesting question...

why is south korea saying this? (2, Interesting)

paymoretaxes (851526) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721513)

why does democratic South Korea compare N. Korea to the U.S.? Is this something they want to draw international attention to because it "threatens" their security? I know S. Korea is the closest land to N. Korea but this is over-reacting.

Re:why is south korea saying this? (1)

cranos (592602) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721649)

I think we can forgive the South Koreans being a little jittery about the North. Remember the North recently declared they now have nukes, and the war between north and south has not actually been declared over. Also the North appears to be run by a psychotic film buff with Short Angry Man syndrome.

Hell if I was the South I'ld be trying to keep everybodies attention as well.

Re:why is south korea saying this? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721718)

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Whatever! (5, Funny)

BigZaphod (12942) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721517)

Everyone knows that the CIA hackers are 31337 and hack people ALL the time! They even hack into computers that aren't even connected to the 'net! I once saw this hacker and he hacked a system so much that it EXPLODED and it KILLED like a million people! And that was just with his pinky. And I knew right then he had to be a CIA hacker d00d. And I asked him. And he hacked my laptop which was OFF and closed AND HAD no battery! And he did it just by looking at it and he scowled and he turned around and then he hacked a park bench and then digitally vanished. And when I opened my laptop it said "I'm a CIA hacker d00d and am 31337. Tell n0 0n3." Oh crap... ,mnb,b4, #$$# NO CARRIER>>>

*cough* (2, Funny)

UniXY (888820) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721520)

Hackers? Simple. Embargo asbestos shipments.

oh, thanks for a good laugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721529)

You expect me to think that a self-isolated communist regime can beat the good 'ol CIA at computers? Do you think I'm a fucking idiot?

North Korea excels at producing counterfeit currency, drugs, and 1960's era missile technology. Those are their major exports.

They are a backwards nation, and that tyrant dictator is too scared to let his own people get to know the outside world.

Cannibalism is widespread in North Korea at the moment (look it up if you dont believe me).

The worst human rights violations in the world are occuring in North Korea. Three generations of a persons family can and are sent to death camps for the (alleged) crime of an individual.

Kim Jong Il will eventually hang from a noose next to Saddam Hussein. My only hope is that the unelected mullahs of Iran will hang next to them, but those god damn eurpoeans would rather sit on their ass then allow this to happen.

- George W. Bush

this guy is not credible (4, Insightful)

Dr Kool, PhD (173800) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721530)

"a five-year school that has been turning out about 100 cyber warfare specialists a year since 1981" -- back in 1981 computers weren't very prevalent and hackers were a minor nuisance at worst. The Internet was limited strictly to research labs and universities, I strongly doubt that NK even had a single internet connection in the whole country back in 1981. Yet they were turning out 100 cyber warriors per year?

This is a joke. If North Korea did try a "cyber attack" on America we could cut off their internet with a pair of scissors. The average cable modem user in America has more bandwidth than their entire country. It's hard to afford computers and network access when 99.9% of your GDP goes to support your military and feed your people.

Re:this guy is not credible (1)

srlunsford (697271) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721614)

Heh, you make it sound like they've got one UUCP connection servicing the whole nation...wait...isn't there actually some central American country like that?

Re:this guy is not credible (1)

Keruo (771880) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721629)

I'd consider the hackers around 80s rather good.. they werent script kiddies who downloaded something someone else wrote just to see if it worked, they developed some of the tools so new even the sysadmins at that time were surprised to see. Those programs are commonly used tools today, such as port scanners etc.

I highly doubt that any country had internet connections as considered today in 80es, but all they needed back then was one telephone line.

> This is a joke. If North Korea did try a "cyber attack" on America we could cut off their internet with a pair of scissors.

What good would it do to cut them off from the internet?
All you need is satellite phone and you're back online, continuing the attack from cover machines which they're sure to use, since no competent hacker would use his/her own connection to do the attack to begin with.

> The average cable modem user in America has more bandwidth than their entire country.

You said it yourself, guess twice where the attack is coming from. Is the average cable modem user capable to protect his/her computer against trained hackers?

> It's hard to afford computers and network access when 99.9% of your GDP goes to support your military

How is it hard, if you're hacker hired by the military? They supply the tools, you supply the means.

Easy fix (1)

Emperor Tiberius (673354) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721539)

korea.blackholes.us :-)...

Dupe(?) + My thoughts.... (3, Interesting)

iamcf13 (736250) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721554)

I've seen this mentioned here quite some time ago (no, I don't have the relavent link at hand). Anyway, my guess is these 'hackers' might be 'cookbookers' who are just 'following scripts' put out by 'real hackers' (really system crackers). However, as North Korea is a recoginzed 'terrorist state' and has 'The Bomb', this threat should not be taken lightly.

If the CIA or any other world famous security organization have their act together, all the 'good stuff' is on an internal computer network that has ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION TO THE INTERNET (or any other form of 'at large' telecommunications). This is very important as it is impossible to break into such a system -- there is no 'front door' to use to gain access. The usual procedure is to have two computers side by side: one on the secure internal network and the other connected to the internet/unsecure network. A human being is required to type information from the insecure PC to the secure one and vice versa. In this setup, the only way the secrets can get out is if the human in this situation is incompetent, being blackmailed (and told no one who can help them), or an outright traitor -- there are no other alternatives.

There is a slight chance of passively picking up the secret stuff with a so called TEMPEST attack but surely the IT people at these kind of organizations have already taken measures to make such attacks effectively impossible.

Re:Dupe(?) + My thoughts.... (1)

Spacejock (727523) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721590)

Better if they used an algorythm to generate thousands upon thousands of 'classified reports' which were just meaningless crap. They could hide their genuine content in this rubbish, so that if someone did luck into a genuine page, they wouldn't know whether it was crap or not.

Oh wait, I just described the world wide web.

Sketchy Information (1)

Quirk (36086) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721562)

The CIA Factbook [cia.gov] has little to say, but a Wired article [wired.com] seems to dismiss the threat, although it notes information is hard to come by.

ummm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721566)

*yawn* nm

South scared of North, news at 11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721593)

Why is Slashdot publishing South Korea's ridiculous anti-North Korean propaganda?

Re:South scared of North, news at 11 (1)

Potor (658520) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721707)

I used to work on the admissions board of a faculty at a very famous European university.

Two years ago, we received an application from a S.Korean, and I emailed him back advising that we had receieved his application, etc.

Then, it happened: my office account was added to some anti-N.Korean mailing list, run by the applicant. For weeks, I was treated to his views of N.Korea.

Moral of the story: The applicant was not accepted.

Ya, right.. these Leet NK Hax0rs are da b0mb (1)

Adult film producer (866485) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721598)

And I bet they play golf like their Glorious Leader does! [216.26.163.62]

Clearly the influence of a dry county (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721622)

Ministry's Agency for Defense Development (MADD)

Come on people, don't let Mothers Against Drunk Driving push you around!

C&C Anyone? (1)

teknokracy (660401) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721625)

"LAPTOP IN HAND!"

The Korea Times (2, Informative)

TheLearnerX (889343) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721659)

The Korea Times [hankooki.com] has a more informative version of this article.

Re:The Korea Times (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721713)

They could give the money back, but it would probably take days to locate individual donors

Sounds like a lot came from a Credit Card affinity program. Giving it back isn't really a reasonable alternative, since the costs to service could quickly surmount the cost being refunded. Perhaps the money could be used to set up a trust for a scholarship fund.

Using the money for a purpose other than the one the fund was set up for is borderline criminal. Whatever the Linux Fund's intent was, that intent should be caried out by whomever takes over./p

Three letters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721665)

E.M.P.

They would have to be based outside NK (1)

RexRhino (769423) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721676)

This could be true, but the hackers would have to be based outside North Korea.

Why? Because NK doesn't have a whole slew of bandwidth coming in / going out. Every single packet going in/out of NK is probably intercepted by the U.S. and S. Korea. And it would not be any sort of disruption to cut off NK internet access.

However, I am assuming NK could send covert agents to SK, and launch their cyber attack there. Intercepting and analysing all packets would not be an option with a wired country like SK... and cutting off SK from the U.S. would not be economicly or politicly viable, if it could even be done.

Personally, I am not worried about some great cyber attack. Every day on the Internet is a cyber attack. There are people who are not affiliated with any government, and maybe aren't even political, who are probably just as good as NK hackers, and do all kinds of mischief and mayhem every day. In a strange way, all the hackers, work creaters, script kiddies, and zombie spammers have made the net immune to any sort of attack (because any sort of attack would probably be unnoticable from any normal day).

Obvious (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12721710)

I hear Bill Gates needs some assistance with his open source initiatives.

Yes, but our best hackers aren't at the CIA (4, Funny)

Pinefresh (866806) | more than 9 years ago | (#12721690)

they're in their mothers basements.
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