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Knoppix 3.9 Released

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the new-toys dept.

Debian 486

GuyRiley writes "The Debian-based live-cd Linux distribution Knoppix has been updated to version 3.9. Among the most notable changes are the update to kernel 2.6.11 and the inclusion of OpenOffice 2.0 BETA and KDE 3.4. This is likely the last single-CD version of Knoppix before the split into 'Light' and 'Maxi' versions. Torrent links here."

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Post should read (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722349)

The Debian-based live-cd Linux distribution Knoppix has been updated to version 3.9. Among the most notable changes are the update to kernel 2.6.11 and the inclusion of OpenOffice 2.0 BETA and KDE 3.4. Among the most notable changes are the update to kernel 2.6.11 and the inclusion of OpenOffice 2.0 BETA and KDE 3.4. This is likely the last single-CD version of Knoppix before the split into 'Light' and 'Maxi' versions. Torrent links here.

Better, please. Not bigger (0, Troll)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722350)

Swapping CDs? For a LiveCD?

Maybe if they decided to put in Abiword instead of that OpenOffice monstrosity, they could keep their LiveCDs on one disk.

It's not my project, so I don't have any real input into what goes in and what is released, but let's just say I'd rather have a nice thin and light Mini distro than a bloody huge Maxi.

Re:Better, please. Not bigger (5, Informative)

Seumas (6865) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722362)

I can see the confusion in the way the article blurb is written, but no - we're not talking about a multi-CD Knoppix. We're talking about a split, leaving us with two CDs to choose from. One, the reduced "light" version. The other, the full shebang, on one DVD.

Re:Better, please. Not bigger (1)

eyeye (653962) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722364)

The "story" was badly worded but you also clearly couldnt be bothered following the links in your haste for first post or it would be obvious to you that the maxi version is for DVDs.

Re:Better, please. Not bigger (1)

daniil (775990) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722438)

You'd be surprised to learn how many Slashdot readers "can't be bothered to follow the links." Now, while reading the linked story would have avoided the grandparent poster's kneejerk reaction, it's still not an excuse for confusing story blurbs.

Re:Better, please. Not bigger (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722585)

Keep in mind Google's motto is: "Do No Evil". Making it possible for others to do evil is thus acceptable under the terms of the motto.

Re:Better, please. Not bigger (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722632)

One problem: Don't you think the RIAA might check the contents of the file before they sue?

If recent history is any indication, no they won't check the file before they sue./p

Re:Better, please. Not bigger (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722462)

But I thought that:

* Everyone knew what Google had planned for the GMail archives (other logs/files notwithstanding) and were OK with it in exchange for mail serach, capacity, and easy-on-the-eyes text ads

* Isn't this nearly the same thing as AdSense anyway? How is using the logs to set up advertising links any different than how it works now with AdSense?

* Everyone was cool with Google because of how their ads are clearly ads, and are simple texty affairs. If this model provides them the funding they need to be the awesome free service they are, what do you care?

GTRacer
- How is long memory a bad thing again?/p

Re:Better, please. Not bigger (1)

rkcallaghan (858110) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722371)

... but let's just say I'd rather have a nice thin and light Mini distro than a bloody huge Maxi.

I suppose it is a good thing they're making that light version then huh? I'm kind of confused as to the point of your comment, other than to get a FP, since it says in the summary the light version is being made, and the presence of a larger version doesn't hinder the light one at all.

Oh, and that "Bloody Maxi" pun was terrible.

~Rebecca

Re:Better, please. Not bigger (3, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722518)

If you don't like the pun, just throw it on the floor and tampon it.

Re:Better, please. Not bigger (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722529)

Advertising. They can look at the search logs and say "Hey, people from $area are searching for $product; let's put loads of advertising in $area so we can get more money". I would rather not help people who do things like that.

International laws? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722607)

I think some european countries have a lot stronger privacy rules, including rules saying that companies doing business there need to delete almost all records on someone if they request it.

Does google do business in those countries, and does it follow their laws?


Re:Better, please. Not bigger (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722375)

There's plenty room on those new fangled discs. DVDs they call 'em, I reckon.

Install ease? (1, Flamebait)

spungo (729241) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722352)

Hope they've made it easier to install onto hd.

Re:Install ease? (3, Insightful)

croddy (659025) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722425)

have you tried the debian installer [debian.org] ?

I mean, have you tried it in the past 18 months?

The safest assumption... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722570)

Everyone should always assume that anything they post on the internet will be somewhere forever. Any email they send or receive might well be duplicated somewhere else as well.

I guess we're going to find out if things like google searches are going to bite people in the future or not. This feels like Patriot Act stuff to me, potentially, they way that libraries and book stores can be required to provide information about your reading habits. As a writer, I really don't like it. What if I want to write a book featuring terrorist villians, and do a lot of "suspicious" searches doing my research?

It's troubling to me.

Re:Install ease? (2, Informative)

tbuckner (861471) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722442)

Since Knoppix already auto-detects many system attributes, that shouldn't really be so hard to do. Why not copy it into a partition and then set that as the boot?

Re:Install ease? (2, Informative)

croddy (659025) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722456)

since knoppix uses a very cleverly hacked filesystem layout involving ramdisks and compressed loopback images, that probably wouldn't be the brightest idea, even if you were diligent enough to get it to work.

if you really must install knoppix, it comes with a utility to do so.

but believe me when I say the Debian Sarge installer is going to produce a cleaner, leaner installation, with about the same amount of finger-lifting.

Re:Install ease? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722584)

"I think some european countries have a lot stronger privacy rules, including rules saying that companies doing business there need to delete almost all records on someone if they request it."

I signed up for the Napster trial and it asked for my credit card... fair enough I though... "if I use the service I'll be paying for it, and if not I can remove it".

When the trial ended I decided not to keep it... I wasn't impressed, not least with the gaping holes in their catalogue (EMI).

So I cancelled that, and discovered that I couldn't clear my credit card details!

Napster.co.uk is a UK site, the company are registered here too and have a VAT number, etc.

Yet upon contacting their customer services, I was told that because the servers are in the US, that this falls under US law, and then told that I was not covered by the UK Data Protection Act, EU Data Protection measures... and finally, that they couldn't delete the credit card data as "it is needed for US tax returns".

Quite how the US govt' needs details on a credit card that has not been involved in a monetary transaction is beyond.

I call bullshit... but this is when you discover that Data Protection laws are worth shit unless there are ways to easily activate them.

I still don't know the next step in nuking my credit card details and having my data deleted.

History is a bad thing? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722467)

I can understand the concern over storing deleted email. But, keeping caches of web content is a bad thing? Some (like me) would argue that deleting old, cached content would be analogous to burning books. The more history, the better if you ask me.

Re:Install ease? (3, Interesting)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722544)

Why? A live CD is a live cd, to be run from the cd. A normal distro is a normal distro to be installed on a hard drive, AND NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET. Why would you want to install it onto a hard disk when there are so many perfectly good distributions designed for doing just that?

Re:Install ease? (1)

Taladar (717494) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722556)

A good reason might be an installation on a mobile hard drive to be used on different computers where the live-cd hardware autodetection might come in handy.

Re:Install ease? (3, Informative)

DavidLeeRoth (865433) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722553)

Helpful tip: knx2hd to install user qtparted for partitioning

Debian Activity (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722353)

So far, 2005 really seems to be a major year for Debian. I've been using Debian for the last four or five years and it's great to see all of these successful debian-based distros - not to mention, a new stable version of Debian (finally!).

I've known people in the last year who have talked about switching to another distro, because they had the FreeBSD fright (it's dying!) and I'm hoping this turns their attitudes around.

Re:Debian Activity (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722532)

What you can't read encrypted search results?

www.google.com

Search: Y%KjkK7u0(l

Did you mean: Y%kjKK7u0(L?


yes but (3, Funny)

jeanjean83 (624273) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722356)

Does it run linux?

Re:yes but (1)

tbuckner (861471) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722429)

Oh, a wise guy! (pokes his eyes out)

Re:yes but (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722461)

We do switch to other alternatives. But the people who blindly click though need to know about such things. There are good reasons not to use Google, this is one of them.

Wash yourself (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722469)

Time to clean up your cookies between searching and using other Google services...

http://www.imilly.com/google-cookie.htm [imilly.com]

Using this "your Google GUID will be reset to all zeroes, making you effectively anonymous to Google - all the while automatically keeping your saved preferences (such as language, filtering, number of results, etc)."

Re:yes but (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722569)

googlebot also respects robots.txt... so you can keep it away if you'd like.

web.archive.org has old copies of sites, with far more of an intent to long-term-archive web content, if someone's worried about things staying around longer than they intended.

Multi-CD live CD? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722359)

I, for one, think having a live CD on more than one CD is a bit daft. Imagine having to constantly change CDs if you've only got one CD drive? That would REALLY suck.

Re:Multi-CD live CD? (1)

Noogie Brown (889153) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722368)

That's what it was like in the old days when HDs weren't standard - except you would be swapping floppies.

Re:Multi-CD live CD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722475)

it isn't talking about multi CDs you dolt either CD(lite) or DVD(maxi)
jeez can't you read?

Open source bloat (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722370)

So, the typical open source bloat is starting to affect Knoppix, too?

How many CDs do you have to burn these days to install a typical Linux distro? A few years ago it was 3, so my guess is about 6-7. Nice going, guys. The "evil and incompetent Microsoft" does it with one disc...

Re:Open source bloat (1)

0x461FAB0BD7D2 (812236) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722426)

For both MEPIS and Ubuntu it's a single CD. And "the evil and incompetent Microsoft" does not have an Office Suite, IRC clients, and a host of other software on it.

What was your point again?

Re:Open source bloat (1)

NickFortune (613926) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722561)

They don't distribute XP in a LiveCD version either, so far as I am aware. I really think the GP is on to a loser with this one.

Mind, we should not ignore the possibility that the GP was in fact making an impassioned plea for a single cd linux distro, since he hates and despises microsoft but feels bound to them because he suffers from some strange condition of bloat-o-phobia.

In which case, we could also mention the likes of Damn Small Linux (50MB), Puppy Linux (50MB) and Feather Linux - which is a Knoppix with the bloat removed and which clocks in at 123MB. Also to be considered are Tomsrtbt which boots off a floppy for a command line distro, and muLinux which boots off a floppy into X. Hell's teeth, these days MS don't even like you using boot discs!

And of course there's Knoppix, which if it doesn't fit on a floppy, still fits into a single CD.

Yeah, what was the GPs point, anyway? :)

Re:Open source bloat (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722578)

This seems to me like a victory for common sense. Using the fact that someone offers you files named, checksummed or otherwise identified as a specific song/resource is and should be no proof that those files are either being transferred or distributed. There were cases of this kind of stupidity with the RIAA sending out threats to people with files named with artist's and track names, without even verifying the contents, and this is clearly overstepping the mark. Until they can prove and verify that what you're offering is the valid song, and that you have actually distributed copies of it, it would seem highly bizarre that they could claim you were performing those acts.

Re:Open source bloat (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722433)

If the distros removed the office and a lot of other non-OS files from their images they'd be able to get it back down to one CD I'm sure... but then people would be annoyed that they have to download applications separately.

I guess OS+Apps has always been the way. I wonder if a distro will experiment by stripping it down to the OS and then distributing the apps as a separate set of images? To me it'd be all the same... just a different order of installation.

0h, n03s! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722466)

That means that they know about my 1ll3g4l h4x0r1n9 correspondence! I thought it was all secret!</clueless_noob>

This really isn't a scary thing to me, since I don't use gmail (or google, for that matter) for anything illegal. That doesn't mean that I'm keen on spilling my email-archive guts to the entire world, but if it must happen, it'd be embarrassing at worst. More than likely, my email will elicit the same reaction we see when we try to post too quickly to a late-breaking /. story:
Nothing to see here, please move along.

The rule of thumb here (or rule of wrist, if you're a fan of The Boondock Saints [imdb.com] ) is:
Don't do stupid/illegal/dangerous stuff online - someone's always watching!

Statistics (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722470)

Most of Google's magic is really data mining the semantic data from the Internet.

Gmail is nothing more than an attempt at getting a massive corpus of data on which to let their algorithms loose.

I really think that, while there is potential for abuse, this is really the only way to tackle their problem space. After all, Google doesn't really rank web sites, people do. It's just that Google has some really clever ways for determining that people liked a web site.

Sometimes it relates to webs of links, sometimes it relates to combinations of words, but Google's software doesn't deal in semantics--only algorithmically generating statistics from the data generated by people.

I don't worry so much about Google, I worry about our future AI overlords. Although, if a truly scalable Artificial Intelligence ever gets Internet access, I fear it has the potential to know us better than we do.

Re:Open source bloat (4, Insightful)

trewornan (608722) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722457)

Microsoft" does it with one disc

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not a troll.

Windows comes on one disc true!

But then, to do anything useful you're going to need MS Office (3 disks), a development environment/compiler/toolchain (3 disks). . . So you're already at 8 disks and you're not even close to all the applications you get on most linux distros.

Plus you've just spent >$200 on top of the cost of windows.

Re:Open source bloat (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722583)

As usual, people who simply want the "right to steal" will look at this as a win, instead of looking at the bigger picture.

If someone, say, gets ahold of medical information (or my credit card number, or my SSN number, or pick your private info) and offers it up on their server, I don't care if anyone has downloaded it or not -- I want the information off there and off now. It should make no difference at all whether anyone actually got it. If someone is making information available, that should be enough to nail their ass.

Of course, I once had a Libertarian try and convince me that it should be legal to fire guns at people, until you actually hit someone, so I'm sure there are people who think that anything should go./p

Re:Open source bloat (4, Funny)

cortana (588495) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722702)

Not to mention a hard disk to install all that crap!

Re:Open source bloat (3, Informative)

rincebrain (776480) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722538)

I can install Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, or Red Hat (off the top of my head, probably Mandrake too) off of a single CD, given an internet connection...and even that's not completely necessary.

That said, how many CDs does M$ need to install an office suite, development IDE with associated tools, and operating system? Last I checked, it was at least three, ignoring the fact that Visual Studio has more CDs than Debian does (unless you're using some REALLY obscure packages with no net connection).

Re:Open source bloat (1)

scupper (687418) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722593)

doesn't Visual Studio come on a dvd now?

splitting? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722373)

Nobody said anything of swapping CDs. The Mini version will be the usual LiveCD, while the Maxi version will be a LiveDVD, so, where the heck is the CD changing? Works like normal. And today, most of us should have a DVD drive anyway, dont we?

Re:splitting? (1)

trewornan (608722) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722471)

Lots of distros offer a liveDVD version. Knoppix's unique "selling point" was the single CD aspect and I very much hope they won't abandon this and move entirely over to the DVD fork in the future. It would be a great shame.

Re:splitting? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722599)

Is your credit card number copyrighted? How about your SSN number? No? Then you have nothing to worry about. This ruling covers copyrighted material, not confidential information. That's a whole other ballgame. I think your private info is still safe (although with all the security leaks lately regarding personal account info, I'd question how safe it actually is).

Re:splitting? (4, Insightful)

agraupe (769778) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722489)

I think the question is: do all of us have a DVD *burner*? I don't yet, despite both my computers having DVD drives.

Re:splitting? (1)

Taladar (717494) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722568)

At least here in Germany you can get a DVD burner for around 75 Euro. I doubt the price will drop much lower before the introduction of the next-generation media burner and that one will probably take a few years after the introduction of that media which is not even introduced yet.

Dammit... (5, Funny)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722378)

How bloody typical. I just downloaded and burned 3.8.2 yesterday.

Why can't they be like Debian? Those CDs, you can pass on to your children and they're still current.

what's the joke ?. (2, Funny)

Gopal.V (532678) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722391)

> Why can't they be like Debian? Those CDs, you can pass on to your children and they're still current.

This is either a joke about debian's release cycle or your reproductory cycle ... I'm trying to figure out which.

Also I think you could say the same about Gentoo - but that's a totally different joke I suppose. ("at least your children will get a current install")

Google is the memory of the global village (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722521)

A lack of history is an invention of big city. Anyone who has lived in a small town knows what it means to have your history (and that of your neighbors) known.
In some ways this is an example of techonlogy bringing us full circle.

Re:Google is the memory of the global village (1)

sosume (680416) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722641)

Well hello, Markov chain.

Re:Dammit... (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722402)

You kids will put you in the cheapest, crapiest retirement home they can when they find out they are only getting your Debian CDs.

Re:Dammit... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722587)

> Usually they have some fake drugs (basil, powdered sugar, whatever).

Basil?

Either you've never been in a kitchen before or your dealer has been completely ripping you off.

Re:Dammit... (1)

scheuri (655355) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722409)


Why can't they be like Debian? Those CDs, you can pass on to your children and they're still current.

<BR><BR>
you mean like...CDs for Windows XP?

Re:Dammit... (2, Funny)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722436)

Yeah, like that, except without the "hating children" part that goes along with passing on XP.

Re:Dammit... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722579)

The largest impact isn't on the sharers, but it's on the bittorrent tracker sites. The threshold of proof is raised not only for those offering files, such as in Kazaa, but most importantly, it's raised for sites that index torrents as well - at least that's how I read it.

Re:Dammit... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722571)

It doesn't work like that. Either you write something in the form "I, for one, welcome our XXX overlords" or you do nothing at all. Slight variations simply don't work. The troll is funny, not because it's inherently funny, but because of the very fact that it is a troll.

There is another path I suppose. You could create a new troll. But few of us are worthy enough to do such a thing./p

Me too, but last weekend. (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722460)

ARGH!

Re:Me too, but last weekend. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722603)

It just means they didn't collect the right evidence in the napster case.

They won't make the same mistake again, so really this means not that much in terms of pirating on bittorrent for example.

Re:Dammit... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722472)

But really, if I wasn't keeping the email on Google's servers, it would be on my own hard drive, which if the Government is going to serve a search warrant on Google, they could just as easily raid my house.

Yes, you could say my hard drive would be encrypted, or the Goverment could subpoena Google rather than serve a search warrant, but then, you shouldn't be doing anything illegal through a public company anyway, let alone in plain-text.

In summary, I find Gmail's interface and features worth the risk.

Re:Dammit... (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722512)

Easy answer... CD-RW

I stopped using CD-R a long time ago, CD-RW are not that expensive now and I use them to write Linux ISO's, applications I find useful etc.

That way, I wave one CD named KNOPPIX, and I always have it with the last release, also with Mandrake (well, I had to erease that and write Mandriva now...) and FreeBSD (those are the 3 distros I use).

And for the apps I used to burn CD's with the apps (Win) I liked but after I installed my PC those versions where outtadet and I had to search and download them again (of course with broadband that is easy). So I also burn an Apps CD-RW and when I find a new version is out (with REAL changes of course) I download it and burn it.

Point and counterpoint (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722533)

The article may have a point. Of course, that point is it's own counterpoint. How often have people used things like Google's cached copy of data or the Wayback Machine to prove that a company really did say or claim something after they'd removed or altered the claim and denied ever saying/claiming the original? Google's long memory cuts both ways, and I think it's too useful for keeping track of things to give it up just because it might track my things. And of course it can also be used to counter people who might claim I changed my tune or concealed something when I didn't.


Re:Point and counterpoint (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722545)

Are you sure this is the apropriate article?

Re:Point and counterpoint (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722690)

Are you sure you're not replying to a crapflood script?

Yes, yes you are.

MOD PARENT AWAY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722627)

Looks like someone is cross posting comments, or the slashcode is horribly broken. Please fix.

Re:Dammit... (1)

Chazmati (214538) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722643)

That *is* odd, considering I downloaded the 3.9 iso on Wednesday night. Maybe your mirror hadn't updated yet. My local mirror (mirrors.tds.net) seemed stale
KNOPPIX_V3.7-2004-12-08-EN.iso 09-Dec-2004 06:31 699M
but ftp.knoppix.nl had the goods
KNOPPIX_V3.9-2005-05-27-EN.iso 712592 KB 06/01/05 06:17:00
Lucky timing, I suppose. Good one about Debian, though. :)

T2 @Live is a nice alternative (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722379)

Since aternatives keep up innovation, there is also a KDE 3.4 and such shiny new LiveCD http://www.t2-project.org/live/ [t2-project.org] from the T2 Project (http://www.t2-project.org/ [t2-project.org] ).

It even comes with D-BUS / HAL integration for auto mounting and equally perfect hardware detection.

As usual with the System Development Environment (SDE) T2, you can automatically rebuild it, optimized for your CPU - or even other architectures.

Re:T2 @Live is a nice alternative (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722659)

Maybe before they sue, but not necessarily before they threaten [zdnet.com] .

Thanks for the info (1)

Cr3d3nd0 (517274) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722382)

Glad to know the new version is out I will now avoid this thread before all the tampon jokes

"I'd rather have a nice thin and light Mini distro rather than a bloody huge Maxi"

DAMN

Knoppix kicks ass! (1)

wfberg (24378) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722396)

Right now, my NTFS filesystem is in a state such that XP can't boot from it (chkdsk/autochk says "Unrecoverable errors and it appears to have hit the HKLM registry hive). Running knoppix from a CD-R just fine. Browsing the web is much faster even! Detecting all my hardware is a lot faster than XP's install/recovery CD manages.
Loading programs from CD takes a while, but other than that, it's great.

Oh, and the maxi-version will of course not be multi-CD, but single-DVD...

Re:Knoppix kicks ass! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722468)

Does it really matter? It's on the Internet, so it's accessible from any country.

Just ask USA-based Linspire, Inc., if it matters. (Microsoft forced the company, then known as LindowsOS, Inc., to stop doing business in Benelux and with Benelux citizens -- no matter where in the world they had addresses -- under their former name.) The 'Net and absurdity-friendly countries mean that the court system of one country can be used against a 'Net-based company in another country, even if none of the parties involved have physical presences in the one country.

RIAA and MPAA SEE THIS! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722419)

Torrent links?

Don't you guys know Bittorrent is evil and a tool that pirates use for theft?

(PLUs ONE INFORMATIVE) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722424)

LVM Support? (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722440)

Does anyone know if they'll ever have LVM support in there?

Re:LVM Support? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722582)

Not only should they have to prove that you distributed it, but they should also have to prove that you distributed it to someone who doesn't have the legal right to have it. This would further force them to go after the people downloading illegal material instead of the people who have it on their computer. If I downloaded SUPER MARIO, but I already own a copy (or 8) of it, then nobody committed a crime, right?

We tried Knoppix (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722452)

An employee suggested to me that we install Knoppix on a few machines here as an evaluation. I was skeptical at first but he explained the benefits of using Knoppix instead of having to buy RHEL. I decided to let him install it on 5 machines to see how the employees got on. Besides, our IT manager had been using Knoppix at home and he hadn't reported any problems - why not try it on our employees?

Once he'd got the employees up and running with Knoppix we let them try it out. It all seemed fine to start with: The Knoppix systems was a pretty good replacement for those shitty RHEL boxes we'd used before and the employees could still do their work as normal.

Alas it did not stay that way. After a few days, I had lost count of the number of complaints received from our employees. Users could not do things they could before (like check their e-mail). The final straw came when one employees lost several hours work when Knoppix suddenly froze up, destroying what was then our IT infrastructure (subsequently, we

Knoppix? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722458)

Please, will someone think about the children?

Don't introduce people to KDE, it'll scare then away. Get then Gnoppix if anything. KDE sucks.

My reason (1)

coolsva (786215) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722459)

Main reason I like Knoppix is it has all you need in one CD. Once it goes over 1 CD, I guess, Ill move to some other small distro which serves my purpose of emergency repair (like puppy http://goosee.com/puppy [goosee.com] which is what I use now-a-days)

Re:My reason (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722661)

Na, you don't have to. Use the Light version they mentioned. If you have a DVD, you can use the Heavy version. :)

My Heart Beats For Debian 3 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722479)

I can't handle all this excitement!

I'm still having sex with my Ubuntu install CD!

Debian+Debian based distros are so wonderful!

The poor Windows users I know are always bewildered when they see how excited I am about an operating system. I knew a guy who shoved an NVIDIA card up his ass and saw Jesus.

Linux Zealot am I? Yes! God damnit! Innovation returns to the world of computing and the scales of closed source are falling from the eyes of the new believers. If Linux is a cult then it sure beats any religion this world has had to offer. Compile me up, Linus!

How Does Knoppix Work with Filesystems? (2, Interesting)

Evil W1zard (832703) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722493)

I have actually been a lazy bum and not burned a Knoppix disc yet so I am not sure how exactly it works. When you load up Knoppix do you have the capability of pulling files you stored via NTFS? I can't see it being really useful if it didn't. I think I can use Knoppix as a possible solution for some tools that won't run on Windows until I take the time to partition my drive and install VMWare (cuz I hate having to reboot between OS's!).

Ok, this is interesting.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722535)

So now the RIAA will have to not only subpoena the names of the people sharing files, but the actual logs of the ISPs to be able to prove that someone actually downloaded the file.

How likely are the RIAA to get these logs? Do the ISPs by law have to keep these logs?

Re:How Does Knoppix Work with Filesystems? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722655)

That's why I still stick to using FAT 32 for my windows partitions. It may not have file permissions or other good features, but its hard to find an OS that doesn't read it. I don't see why you would even need to install NTFS on most home user installations of windows. Using access restrictions similar to Linux would be a lot easier to figure out. I knew a guy a screwed up his NTFS partitions, and then he couldn't even read and delete some of his own files when he was administrator.

Re:How Does Knoppix Work with Filesystems? (1)

gclef (96311) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722677)

yes, knoppix can read ntfs. I've used knoppix to recover from trashed WINNT directories before...works fine.

Now Knoppix-STD...? (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722501)

Good news - now I'm waiting for Knoppix STD [knoppix-std.org] to release a new version with support for the Intel 2100 wireless stuff.

Get over it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722528)

This is all something we accept when we click "OK" to Google's TOS, without even reading it. If you don't like it, you can always use some other alternative, no guarantees that it will be able to match up with what Google can provide.

With that said, who is to say other companies don't do the same thing? You honestly think once you delete an email with another service, say, Hotmail, it is instantly evaporated off their servers? Of course not.

Re:Get over it (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722592)

What are you talking about?

Damn it, not again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722719)

Grandparent is crapflooding, apparently -- copying posts that got modded up under other stories.

Nothing but good stuff with Knoppix (1)

beforewisdom (729725) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722507)

I have been using Knoppix for several years now.

I have nothing but good things to say about it. It was innovative from the start and remains innovative.

It has a friendly and helpful user community.

It delivers the goodies of Debian with ease of installation, ease of use, and no hassles. It is one hard push away from being "grandma suitable".

If that wasn't enough, it is available free of charge.

I have tried other live distros and imitators, none does it all as well and as consistently as knoppix.

The only thing I hope for with the DVD version is that user gets some choice of what to install. A DVD's worth of software is a lot to dump on a hard drive without giving the user a choice.

Again, my hats off to the knoppix people.

Re:Nothing but good stuff with Knoppix (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722534)

This is probably not legal in your country.

I know of court rulings in Denmark that have stated that it is not legal to send personal data to the US to avoid the restrictions of the local personal data protection law. The UK laws on personal data protection are almost the same as in Denmark.

If I was you and wanted to pursue this, I would - after having tried to settle this amicably with Napster.co.uk - complain to the UK Information Commissioner [informatio...ner.gov.uk] .


Re:Nothing but good stuff with Knoppix (1)

beforewisdom (729725) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722679)

Dude, the thread and my post is about Knoppix.

What do you think yu are replying to?

Re:Nothing but good stuff with Knoppix (1)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722573)

While knoppix is good I find slax better. It had writing to everywhere on the filesystem before knoppix, better init detection stuff (IME of course), includes koffice which was unfotunately dropped from knoppix for space reasons, and is generally much nicer. Fits in a much smaller space, which makes caching the whole thing in RAM a real possibility (with knoppix this is impractical with less than a gigabyte), and is generally faster and lighter (it can manage with 32mb ram). It's also modular in a really easy way (I've made my own modules, which is something I never managed with morphix) Get it here [linux-live.org]

In Soviet Russia... (0, Redundant)

incubuz1980 (450713) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722526)

Live-CD's boot you!

Someone has to say it; might as well be me. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12722596)

"This is likely the last single-CD version of Knoppix before the split into 'Light' and 'Maxi' versions."

Because programmers experience heavy code flow days and light code flow days...there's now going to be a choice.

Maxi and Lite, eh? (3, Funny)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722598)

This is likely the last single-CD version of Knoppix before the split into 'Light' and 'Maxi' versions.
Light for light days and Maxi for heavy flow days, right?

Another "Knoppix is Good" post (1)

miyako (632510) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722615)

I've always been a pretty big fan of Knoppix, I like to keep the latest version on hand for helping people back up files and such when they have to re-install Windows. I also generally boot up Knoppix to check for rootkits etc everytime a new version is released.
Before I got my laptop I used to use it quite a bit at school, where all of the lab computers run Windows XP. Never really been able to find a development environment in Windows that I like as well as vim under Linux (even as nice as XCode is on OS X, I still find myself going back to vim most of the time, especially when I'm doing a lot of editing, since I find it to be a big pain to take my hands off the keyboard to move the mouse to highlight code, etc. Too bad none of the IDEs support vi-like editing of code).
I always thought it would be an interesting idea to build a live cd specifically aimed at non-technical windows users to recover from crashes. Something that would boot up and give them a series of simple steps they could follow to recover/backup a borked windows install, and maybe show a nice slideshow like a lot of the Linux installers have now telling them the benefits of Linux.

live dvd....when do you suppose they will make... (1)

3seas (184403) | more than 9 years ago | (#12722688)

a usb drive to hold that?

Hmmm, and dual layer ???

Actually a cd/dvd disk and usb drive is a good combination. The usb drive for your personal stuff,

Anyone know if the reburn process has been made easier?

say you want to install something that is not in the disk but then reburn the disk with it, perhaps removing something to make room..

but has the process been made easy enough for us idiots?
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