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Archos Widescreen PMP

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the if-only-my-psp-had-50x-the-space dept.

Portables 142

An anonymous reader writes "Archos has just announced their newest portable audio/video player the AV 700 Mobile DVR. The new unit has a 480x234 pixel widecreen display, a hub to record from TV and DVD, and offers a 100GB drive. The sucker is heavy though weighing in at over a pound. Cost is $799 for the 100GB model and $599 for the 40GB. MP3 Newswire also has Part 1 of its MP3 players for summer. Most interesting are Creative's new Neeon and a high end unit from Bose."

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Hot Damn (0, Offtopic)

pcnetworx1 (873075) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729202)

I got 1st post! And the DVR looks great...

widescreen? (-1)

mboverload (657893) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729209)

If you think 480x234 pixels is somehow "widescreen" I don't think you have ever seen a widescreen.

Re:widescreen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729224)

16x9 pixels qualifies as widescreen, my friend. :D

Re:widescreen? (1)

pcnetworx1 (873075) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729228)

Tis "mobile" my friend

Re:widescreen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729239)

twice as wide as it is tall seems like a widescreen, at the least wider than the standard 15" or 15.4" width ratios.

Re:widescreen? (1)

TERdON (862570) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729253)

Sure it's widescreen. Contrast ratio is 2.somedecimals:1, compared to the normal 4:3. It's very small though. I'll keep to my iBook for watching pr^H^Hmovies on the go, more real estate on the screen...

Re:widescreen? (1)

TERdON (862570) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729266)

Contrast ratio? I wonder what I smoked. Yadayada, you get what I meant. :)

Re:widescreen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729321)

I wonder what I smoked...

a cock perhaps?

Re:widescreen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729328)

Maybe they're very big pixels.

Re:widescreen? (1)

ToasterofDOOM (878240) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729529)

actually the ratio is 16:9, the same as you get in a movie theater =P

Repeat your basic 6th grade maths, PLEASE. (1)

TERdON (862570) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729550)

3/4 * 480 = 320.

Seems like they're skimping on (320-234)*480 = 86*480 = 41280 pixels then.

Unless, accidentally, 480 / 234 ~= 2.something...

Re:widescreen? (1)

mboverload (657893) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729828)

I was refering to SIZE not ratio.

Re:widescreen? (1)

TERdON (862570) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729865)

Size? Than you're speaking about bigscreens et al? "Widescreen" only has to do with the width/height-ratio - a widescreen is a screen that is significantly wider than it's high.

Re:widescreen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729347)

Shh, don't tell my girlfriend.

Re:widescreen? (1, Insightful)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729466)

It's wider than standard 16:9 or 4:3

Uh, yes, it IS widescreen by definition. (4, Informative)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 9 years ago | (#12730125)

Excuse me? This unit gives a screen aspect ratio of 2.05:1. This is about 15% wider than widescreen TVs, which have an aspect ratio of 16:9 or roughly 1.78:1. So, it is not "somehow" widescreen -- it is widescreen. Whoever modded you as "insightful" needs to be modded "-1 clueless".

Oh, great. Now this unit will give the anti-widescreen crowd a reason to bitch about why 16:9 movies have the black bars in the sides. Wonderful. :)

HDTV support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729222)

Why's there no HDTV support?

I want a tivo like device that I can control with WiFi from my computer (share content, setup etc).

It'll fit right under my TV where the Xbox 360 was going to go.

Re:HDTV support? (1)

TheGavster (774657) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729344)

It's possible there is no HDTV support because there are fewer scanlines than an SD signal supports ...

Re:HDTV support? (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729478)

True. Also, full bitscream recording of ATSC is about 5GB per half hour, which is a lot of space even for a 100GB drive.

One thing that gives ATSC a benefit is the digital transmission, you don't get ghosts or snow.

Re:HDTV support? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729507)

Then I highly suggest you pick up an AVeL Linkplayer2, supports Divx-HD, and some WM9HD. It can play files either on disc or via networked PCs.

You can find more information at http://www.iodata.com/products/products.php?cat=HN P&sc=AVEL&pId=AVLP2%2FDVDLA&ts=2&tsc=15 [iodata.com]

Re:HDTV support? You're joking, right? (1)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 9 years ago | (#12730014)

HDTV has resolutions greater than 720 x 1080 scan lines. We're talking about some 480 x 234 on this device. This DVR doesn't comes anywhere close to HD.

Additionally, to get hi-def out you need component cables. Component cables (high-quality ones in particular) are thick and bulky to reduce interference and signal loss. One set of decent component cables would probably weigh more than this device.

Honestly, if you want a portable HD setup you might as well go out and buy a new laptop with a nice, big screen.

Bad Size... (4, Insightful)

ThomasFlip (669988) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729229)

If people want to listen to music, the will want something smaller, if they want to watch video, they will want something bigger. I personally don't think that combining a portable audio/video player is a good idea or will sell well.

Re:Bad Size... (1)

IMarvinTPA (104941) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729244)

I don't know. I always liked listening to my shows while watching them.

It's more like a Video player that happens to play music too.

IMarv

Re:Bad Size... (5, Funny)

TedCheshireAcad (311748) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729298)

maybe i can install one in my car so i don't have to pay attention to stupid traffic. that would be awesome.

Re:Bad Size... (2, Insightful)

bfields (66644) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729386)

If people want to listen to music, the will want something smaller, if they want to watch video, they will want something bigger.

Yeah, would someone who has one of these portable video players explain what they're actually *for*?

I can see that a DVR that you can occasionally carry from one place to another might be nifty.

But I can't see it for, say, watching movies on the commute--anything that fits in my pocket is going to be too small to watch.

Re:Bad Size... (1)

Sawbones (176430) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729554)

Traveling

I don't own one, but I've travelled with a couple people who do. They presumably last longer than a laptop, you don't have to carry around a load of DVDs - but you do have to encode them ahead of time. Granted that isn't a terribly large target audience but there is a call for them.

And actually what they used it for wasn't for watching DVDs but for watching recorded TV shows (the whole DVR thing) which does give it an edge over the laptop and DVD player.

Re:Bad Size... (1)

Pollardito (781263) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729477)

and if people want to watch video they're going to need better battery life [archos.com] than :
Up to 30 hours for music. (TBC)
Up to 4 hours for video on built-in LCD. (TBC)
Removable battery (additional battery optional)
that's pretty bad, most laptops approach that duration even when they're spinning a DVD drive. i guess the formfactor of this machine isn't allowing for a very substantial battery

Re:Bad Size... (1)

spectral (158121) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729911)

"most laptops" my ass. Show me ONE that can spin a dvd and decode mpeg2 and last 4 hours.

Re:Bad Size... (1)

nEoN nOoDlE (27594) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729853)

If you want to predict market results for consumer products, then I suggest you predict them 70 or more years into the future. That way when the results come in, you're predictions will either be forgotten, or you'll be dead so it won't matter. Do you know how much money is being spent on making video for CELL PHONES? If people want to watch video on cell phones, I don't think a 480x234 pixel widecreen display is too small for them.

but all I really know is that I won't buy it because I don't think the ability to watch movies while I'm in line at the grocery store is worth 800 bucks to me, nor even 600.

Re:Bad Size... (1)

asland (26316) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729944)

I thought the same thing when I saw the older Archos. But a month ago I was on a business trip to Turkey doing a machine install. A french guy who was on site had an Archos 80GB and used it as a VCR, mp3 player, and external hard drive for his laptop. He is on the road 85% of the time and for him it makes perfect sense. He recorded the Gran Prix while we were on site and we watched it at night - excellect quality when replayed on a SDTV.

But the price!!...

Re:Bad Size... (2, Interesting)

Fringe (6096) | more than 9 years ago | (#12730059)

Maybe, maybe not. I'm considering one for a different set of uses:
  • Carry around a large HD with archives of my various systems
  • Be able to play any of my large CD library tunes in my car, wife's car or rental car (using FM Modulator)
  • As a PVR when travelling, for playback of recorded content in the hotel room (e.g. exercise videos, favorite shows)
  • Long intercontinental flights, since the movies only change monthly and I often flight more often than that.
Sure, it's no iPod replacement, but do we really need another iPod replacement? The AV700 would be more useful for my needs, which don't include jogging or lots of normal walking with it.

Mistake: title was supposed to read... (1)

ian rogers (760349) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729235)

Archos Widescreen is PIMP!

Re:Mistake: title was supposed to read... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729290)

Yo holmes, true ghetto doggs aint doin' them grammer rulz.

Re:Mistake: title was supposed to read... (1)

ian rogers (760349) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729330)

Fiddy Cent was recently heard saying that Archos is "Fresh like Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh."

Re:Mistake: title was supposed to read... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729672)

Hahaha, just thinking that. "Archos P.I.M.P."

Bose MP3? (1)

Sporkinum (655143) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729242)

No highs? No lows? It must be Bose!

Re:Bose MP3? (1)

Adrilla (830520) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729249)

I always think of noise cancelling when I think of portable Bose.

Re:Bose MP3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729284)

Buy
Other
Sound
Equipment

Re:Bose MP3? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729286)

Actually, AudioVideo International magazine recently found the Bose Wave music system to have the most accurate reproduction of musical instrument sounds. It's sleek, compact, and has extraordinary sound. Bose actually re-engineered the tapered wave guide to reproduce one-half octave lower musical notes than the original Wave system you're probably thinking of.

Re:Bose MP3? (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729505)

Sounds like an ad to me.

The no highs, no lows, must be Bose is a much older adage than the Wave system.

A few years ago, my dad tried out a WaveRadio CD and compared it with a friend's 60 disc CD changer/tape/radio unit of about the same price, and the changer system won both on cost and sound quality.

Re:Bose MP3? (1)

zenneth (767572) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729579)

I've personally compared the Bose Waveradio CD player to high-end Onkyo and HK systems with multiple speaker configurations, just to see (re:hear) the differences at lower volumes. The Bose system, maybe because it's designed to play at lower volumes, definitely had a clear advantage in both sound quality and range. However, trying to fill a large space is not the Waveradio's forte, nevermind what the hype says. Yet in a bedroom or small office you can get an excellent performance from the Bose's small package.

heheheh... I said package.

Re:Bose MP3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729670)

Okay, Im too lazy to open an account here. dont care if they call me a coward. Wanted to reply to the Bose thread quickly.

Just search rec.audio.opinions, rec.audio.high-end and tons of other sites to realize that Bose is about mediocre quality and great marketing. I cant believe people at slashdot would fall for Bose. Check out http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html [intellexual.net] for a criticism of Bose Acoustimass systems.
Wave Radio ? Check out this head to head comparison on geek.com :
http://www.geek.com/hwswrev/conel/tabrads/ [geek.com]

People dont criticize Bose just for the high price. Bose loses on sound quality, thats why so much criticism. Bose is about psychoacoustics, not accurate reproduction of sound.

Wimpy (1, Funny)

da007 (242994) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729243)


"The sucker is heavy though weighing in at over a pound."

Hit the gym, Nancy.

I want a better screen (2, Insightful)

maynard (3337) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729250)

I don't want to spend $800 on a portable display device that doesn't render at least 480p DVD quality. The specs listed are ambiguous. It says that there's a doc station for pass through to a VCR. Does this mean that its only external output is composite? If so - yuck. I expect at least component, and preferably also DVI/HDMI. And why would I want to carry 100GB of disk space on a portable if it won't output true 480p? Never mind that disk space like that is appropriate for HD as well.

So, my opinion: nice toy; waste of money. --M

Re:I want a better screen (1)

Adrilla (830520) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729265)

100GB, that's only 10-20 full DVD rips. Which sometimes I prefer for the extra features.

Re:I want a better screen (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729279)

No. It records and plays MPEG4 and DivX, not MPEG2. You'll get more than 20 full length movies out of 100GB of storage. Read the article. --M

DVD features (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729380)

It records and plays MPEG4 and DivX, not MPEG2. You'll get more than 20 full length movies out of 100GB of storage.

To some people, a "full length movie" includes all menus (including menu games), all deleted scenes, audio tracks in all languages and commentaries, and all angles (for those educational or erotic titles that actually use multiple angles), and everything else the director filled 7.95 GiB with. Can commercial MPEG-4 implementations handle those DVD features?

Re:DVD features (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729462)

Can [this] commercial MPEG-4 implementation[s] handle those DVD features?

That's a good question. The published specs don't say, so I can't argue one way or the other. MPEG4/DivX will rip a movie with significantly higher compression, as I assume you're aware. I've seen DVD quality or better movies ripped at about 1GB or so. My belief - based not on what's published about this player, but personal experience - is that yes, you'll see significant space savings over DVD at MPEG2. The eye candy like menus, directors commentaries, and other features don't take much space. Documentaries ripped at MPEG4 offer the same compression savings over MPEG2. So - again, yeah. 100GB with MPEG4/Divx is going to give you a hell of a lot more than 20 DVD quality movies. --M

Re:DVD features (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729517)

The question wasn't about space but actual capabilities, whether it can perform those functions. Sure, director's commentaries don't take much space, but if a person has to re-encode a movie twice to get normal audio and a director's commentary, then forget it, it is stupidly inconvenient.

Right (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729542)

And what you ask isn't there in the article. Missing those features wouldn't bother me as much as the poor screen and lack of component/DVI output. If I could hook it up to my projector or HDTV and get 480p out, then one could argue the value proposition - I suppose. But lacking then, then - for me - forget it. We each have a killer feature we demand, I suppose. --M

Re:DVD features (1)

Murphy Murph (833008) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729598)

Questioning DVD features in MPEG4 Jeff DeMaagd said:
The question wasn't about space but actual capabilities, whether it can perform those functions. Sure, director's commentaries don't take much space, but if a person has to re-encode a movie twice to get normal audio and a director's commentary, then forget it, it is stupidly inconvenient.


The question isn't if MPEG4 has those features - it doesn't. MPEG4 (DivX/XviD/others) is a compression format for video, not a wrapper (avi/ogm)
OGM supports multiple audio and subtitle streams in one file, AVI does not support multiple subtitle streams, but it does support multiple audio streams.
I doubt this device supports OGM, but if all you want is the multiple audio streams (normal/comentary/alt. language) than you can rip a movie to an MPEG4 AVI with those features.

Then the question becomes if this device supports playing alternative audio streams.....

Re:DVD features (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729531)

My belief - based not on what's published about this player, but personal experience - is that yes, you'll see significant space savings over DVD at MPEG2.

You'll also see significant space savings by throwing away all the extra content produced for the DVD release that was not shown in the theater. Some people want to preserve everything on the DVD.

The eye candy like menus, directors commentaries, and other features don't take much space. Documentaries ripped at MPEG4 offer the same compression savings over MPEG2.

But do the common DVD-to-MPEG-4 tools preserve the multiple audio tracks, the menus, and extra Titles such as making-of featurettes and deleted scenes, or do they only store the primary video and primary audio of the main Title?

Re:DVD features (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729641)

You'll also see significant space savings by throwing away all the extra content produced for the DVD release that was not shown in the theater. Some people want to preserve everything on the DVD.

I don't think this is true. Of course, it depends on the DVD release - some DVD sets offer more secondary content than others. But I don't believe that in most cases it's a "significant" amount in comparison to the primary content. Now I'm talking storage space consumed here, not desirability of the secondary content. The point here is that MPEG4 compresses better than MPEG2 used in DVDs. So at the same image quality, with the same content, you'll use less disk space. Much less.

But do the common DVD-to-MPEG-4 tools preserve the multiple audio tracks, the menus, and extra Titles such as making-of featurettes and deleted scenes, or do they only store the primary video and primary audio of the main Title?

OK. So I"ve seen MPEG4/DivX do DD5.1. I haven't seen any encodings of various commentary tracks, menus, etc. Then again, neither have I looked for that feature. So I don't know. And the published specs on this device says nothing about playing that secondary even were you able to encode it. So - beats me. --M

Re:DVD features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729541)

To most people, however, full length means either a) at least 90 minutes b)or it's exactly the same as the un-cut feature film that one would see in theatres.

Who cares about most of that stuff? Honestly!? Most movies are so craptacular that they don't merit the time, not to mention that the extras are just fluff to fill up a DVD! Sometimes they even have as much extra content (size wise) as the freakin' movie. Most people don't give a crap about all that, or listen to boring-ass director and cast commentary... Maybe if they did something funny, like make sound effects, and comment MST3K-like it would be worth it, but they don't, and it's not.

Unless I were in a full-body cast (and therefore not able to run away screaming), having ran out of other movies to watch, without any TV reception whatsoever, I'd never do it--except perhaps to see how they did some of the special effects on a movie I enjoyed... And I could count that list on my two hands.

Re:I want a better screen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729834)

100GB, that's only 10-20 full DVD rips.

My god man use a better codec. You can fit around 142 DVD rips on that with divx

Re:I want a better screen (1)

Sawbones (176430) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729577)

Google on the MobiNote. Here's the largely fluff product page: http://www.mobinote.net/na/product_dvxpod_eng.asp [mobinote.net] .

720x480 screen and larger than the competition, but only a 20 gig harddrive. Still, if I were to hack a larger drive into a PMP I'd do it with this one. Reviews seem generally positive but I haven't taken the time to sink $500 into one to tell for myself.

Port!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729257)

Woweeee
Any plans to port rockbox to it!?

hmmm.... (1)

rokzy (687636) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729259)

not seeing much reason to buy this over an 80GB iBook. ymmv.

Songs? (1)

bi_boy (630968) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729262)

For those who RTFA, man I can't wait to get all those songs off my video camera onto my Archos AV700! =P

Gmini 400 is still pretty sweet. (1, Interesting)

falloutboy (150069) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729268)

I recently starting commuting to Manhattan, and like many straphangers*, I want to listen to anything but the preachers and beggers on the subway. I was about to buy an iPod mini, but when I saw how much the Archos Gmini 400 does, I was blown away. I'm a photographer, so I have a bunch of high capacity compact flash cards lying around that I could actually use with the Gmini, which has a CF reader.

Archos Gmini review: http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/20041021/ [tomshardware.com]

* Straphanger: slang for a subway rider. NYC subways used to have leather straps that riders could "hang" from in order to not fall when the car started moving. They've all been replaced by metal bars.

Re:Gmini 400 is still pretty sweet. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729305)

nice astroturf, but remember for next time, no real person would uneccessarily use a slang term only to give two-line definition of it at the end.

Re:Gmini 400 is still pretty sweet. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729676)

It's no use to me because I tend to drive around in my Dodge* truck**.

*Dodge: A US automaker founded in 1901 by a pair of bicycle cranking ninnies. Now owned by a German conglomerate, their products tend to be both crappy and overpriced, an exhilirating combination that has consumers flocking for miles to buy the latest in gas guzzling breaking-down technology.

**Truck: Similar to a car*** in function, trucks generally have a cargo area for hauling large goods.

***Car: A motorized vehicle, generally using an internal combustion or electric hybrid engine, used for rapid transit around paved roads.

Re:Gmini 400 is still pretty sweet. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12730053)

you stupid ass, why would you use an obsolete term only to have to explain what the fuck it means a half dozen lines later? nobody says straphanger. because it's dumb as shit. like you. you stupid fuck.

Off-topic: World Community Grid (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729275)

I am a World Community Grid [worldcommunitygrid.org] (go Slashdot Users [worldcommunitygrid.org] !) "newbie," and have a question to those among you who have more experience with this program.

My first three proteine processing tasks took 4 to 5 hours, but the last proteine processing I had took a little more than 26 hours to complete (with a minimum Rosetta of -70.34). Is this normal? Is it due to the complexity of the proteine? Or am I experiencing an uncommon performance drop?

Thanks for your assistance and sorry for being off-topic (but I didn't know where else to post).

Terrible Idea (1)

ilyanep (823855) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729277)

That's too big for a music player, too small for a video player.

It weighs 0.6kg (2, Informative)

MarkByers (770551) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729282)

For those of us not from the US that con't be bothered to type 20.8oz in kg [google.com] in Google.

Re:It weighs 0.6kg (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729311)

600g.

You're not native with metric, are you? :P

Re:It weighs 0.6kg (1)

OblongPlatypus (233746) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729447)

That's just funny - my laptop weighs 0.83kg and has exactly 7 times as big a screen :)

It weighs 1.3lb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729583)

I don't know... I can't relate to Ounces (unless it's the liquid kind), and not much more to kg's... It weighs 1.3 lbs And no, I'm not american either

Re:It weighs 0.6kg (1)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729862)

heavy?

I say rugged!

Re:It weighs 0.6kg (1)

drsquare (530038) | more than 9 years ago | (#12730088)

I wouldn't say either. I'd say that approximately 5kg is suitable for a portable device. Light enough to carry, heavy enough to stay in place when you put it down, and heavy enough to feel valuble and solid, rather than light and flimsy. Well 5kg for laptops, perhaps 1kg for mp3 players.

It took me 17 times (1)

SushiFugu (593444) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729295)

It took me 17 attempts before my brain managed to stop reading the title as "Widescreen PSP". :(

You know you're a geek when... (4, Insightful)

BBrown (70466) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729297)

... you think a pound is heavy.

Re:You know you're a geek when... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12730181)

Try walking around with 1# in your front shirt pocket or on a lanyard around your neck. Not everyone is a metro that carries around a handbag.

Heavy but fragile? (1)

DegeneratePR (889051) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729318)

I like the idea of making everything portable, and also trying to fit in as many functions as possible. But as this equipment gets smaller and smaller, I'm just scared out of my f'n mind to spend $799 on something so small, that will either: a) get lost easily or, b) break while in my pockets.

BTW, whatever I do that'll make a small, portable unit break in my pocket is my business.

Re:Heavy but fragile? (2, Funny)

wootest (694923) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729486)

From the weight of it, I'd be more worried about the unit breaking your pocket.

Re:Heavy but fragile? (1)

wootest (694923) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729512)

...Okay, that may have come out wrong. You know what I mean.

A better Archos model is the PMA400 (1)

StarCharter (768335) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729363)

The Archos PMA480 http://www.archos.com/products/overview/pma_400.ht ml?sid=j2232s23by4oy2kbocfyjy [archos.com] is a even better device. Plays video at 704x480, plays the same games, records from TV, has 802.11B, runs on linux, includes Opera, weighs LESS than a PSP, and costs $799. Admittedly, it has a smaller hardrive but that's easy to fix. I don't like the touchscreen keyboard but you have to give up something.

Re:A better Archos model is the PMA400 (2, Interesting)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729412)

The question when thing start costing this much is if your better off with a laptop , the machine is smaller , lighter and has a larger hard-drive than most laptops in that that price range .
Though it lacks a keyboard , the screen is smaller and it cant directly play DVDs .
I can see the thing being highly hackable if it runs linux but i doubt it would ever have as many features as a laptop .

Re:A better Archos model is the PMA400 (1)

dfghjk (711126) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729609)

has a smaller, lower resolution screen and uses a 1.8" hard drive. Replacing the drive with a larger one is not trivial either.

So why not buy a notebook? (4, Insightful)

enosys (705759) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729422)

You could buy a new notebook PC for the same price. You can do a whole lot more with it and it has a bigger screen and better image quality. You also won't have to worry about getting video to a format that is readable by the device. The notebook would almost certainly be able to play DVDs and you can install whatever codecs you need.

I guess the only good things about devices like this is that they're smaller and come pre-configured for their task.

Re:So why not buy a notebook? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12730162)

0.001% of the public has any idea of what a codec is. You need to get some non-geek friends to help you get a real perspective.

"I guess the only good things about devices like this is that they're smaller and come pre-configured for their task."

How about not having to deal with updates, antivirus, firewall, spyware, popups, trojans, BSOD, etc.

am i missing something here? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729434)

why would i go for something like this for $799 when I can get a brand new iBook thats much more flexible for $999? It doesn't sound as if this unit is exactly lightweight... and, at least with the iBook, I get DVD playback and a larger screen as well...

About the MP3 gear in second article (2, Insightful)

cojsl (694820) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729448)

Thoughts on the 2nd linked article on MP3 players: 1. The Bose is CD based. Bose really doesn't get it. The extra time, effort, and waste of making a CD every time to change the music selection is too much of a hassle vs. flash and hdd players. 2. The Maxfield Diablo plays OGG, neat.

From the article: (2, Insightful)

lidocaineus (661282) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729491)

Bose is all about the quality of sound (as opposed to Bang and Olufsen who are all about style and exclusivity).

As soon as I read that, I knew these people know nothing but marketing hype.

Re:From the article: (1)

Reverberant (303566) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729872)

I strongly agree. While I'll be the first person to defend Bose against unwarranted charges of 'crap' it's hard for me to not laugh at someone denigrating B&O, especially since their Beolab 5 [bang-olufsen.com] loudspeaker is easily the 2nd best loudspeaker I've ever heard [cross-spectrum.com] (behind the Wilson Watt Puppy [wilsonaudio.com] )

Re:From the article: (1)

topper24hours (853597) | more than 9 years ago | (#12730189)

I must also agree. I find Bose to be a bit Yuppie-ish and not woth the price for the quality, which is certainly good just not by any means unsurpassed as "they" would lead you to think.

advertisement overload (1)

Andy Gardner (850877) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729536)

Is it me or is this story just an advert?

Firefox catches popups and banners but what action can i take against /vertisements. We need some kind of Tivo solution for /.

Why do they always forget... (1)

shmlco (594907) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729575)

Why do they always forget about books? Every time I look at the specs for one of these portable entertainment devices I find that they, 1) don't support Audible, and 2) do not have a book reader.

I have an iPaq that, quite literally, has over a hundred ebooks on it. And while I'd love to replace it with a device that could play movies and tv, I'm not going to dump my favorite form of recreation...

Re:Why do they always forget... (1)

jrboatright (843291) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729655)

YES! Books. Both audible, and text. The Gmini has enough screen to READ BOOKS as well as listen to them.

(Thank God for Project Gutenberg and Baen!)

So? (1)

Anthony Coward (867065) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729642)

Don't we all enjoy video on our iPod now [ipodlinux.org] *?

Well. Ok. Maybe not. But just wait until tomorrow when the new shiny Intel Inside® [google.com] videoPods [appleinsider.com] present themselves in the hand of His Steveness.

*Don't buy or sell the so called "videoPod Shuffle" to sight-impaired people on eBay these are not endoresed by Apple.

that's PMP'in (1)

radarsat1 (786772) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729649)

oh yeah.

I've got the AV300 (4, Informative)

SkyFire360 (889512) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729703)

I've owned the JBMM20 and the AV300 - the great-grandfather and grandfather of the AV700 - and I have to say that they're amazing pieces of technology. They run embedded firmware on the DSC25 that is compatible with linux [linav.free.fr] so you can run Linux on it if you really want. The video playback on the AV300 is stunning, even at 352x240 resolution: you can read subtitles clear as day. It has decent quality sound (much better if you get a nicer pair of headphones like the Seinnheiser HD280 Pro [sennheiserusa.com] ), a bright lcd screen and 3-4 hours of video playback on the "Low Brightness" option which ironically is quite bright still. Oh yeah... and it plays DiVX

For anyone that's interested, don't even think about getting the bigger harddrive model. Both old and new models use standard 3.5" laptop harddrives, which means you can buy one off of PriceWatch and slap it in there. Just format it with a FAT boot sector first and you're good to go.

Tivo needs something like this (1)

synergy3000 (637810) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729729)

Tivo needs to have a small unit like this. Or heck let Archos Tivo OS on their machine. Tivo would have to work on the aspect of making it more portable. But it would sell.

Re:Tivo needs something like this (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 9 years ago | (#12730042)

There already is scheduling on these units. Currently, they use either their internal scheduler, or alternatively, you can use My Yahoo's TV scheduler. Personally, I think that's a pretty cool feature.

Mp3's for summer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12729741)

After getting bored of my same old Rio Karma. I decided to pick up the iAudio X5. This is the cream of the crop of ipod sized mp3 players. It supports Ogg Vorbis/FLAC/Mp3/WMA/Xvid Mpeg 4 video and has a rather nice 18bit color screen. Packed in with FM Radio, Voice Recording, Picture Viewing, Line Recording and BBE enhancement I had to check it out for cheaper than what the Rio Karma was selling for. I love this thing and I am sure we will see it in another part of Mp3Newswire's MP3 Players for Summer. Definitely a Geek's mp3 player by all good natures of the word. The firmware updates are fewquent and feature packed. The build quality is excellent being all aluminum brushed in black.

Just a heads up for people asking "Does it support Ogg".

Re:Mp3's for summer (1)

mdecarle (756338) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729809)

I posted a Ask Slashdot article a couple of days ago, but it was rejected, that I'ld have liked your comment on.

I am today thinking about buying a portable MP3 player, which I need to have at least 20Gb, voice recording and a car adapter. I only need MP3. And a screen, so I can choose what to play.

Why don't we see video cameras with HDDs? (1)

gsasha (550394) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729836)

This neat Archos toy surely demonstrates the feasibility of HDD video recording. The price is a bit high (could as much as double the camera price), but will probably come down significantly since video cams are produced in SO larger quantities.

better than laptop (2, Insightful)

Charbax (678404) | more than 9 years ago | (#12729994)

How come 75% of the posts in here say that it's better to buy a laptop.

The Archos Pma430 is 600$, just search it on froogle.

Archos has a deal with Echostar in US to market all their Gmini400, AV400 and AV700 in special packages, maybe rebranded as PocketDish. This is interesting because Echostar will probably give away this portable video player/recorder just for getting new customers over from the DirecTV/Tivo users.

The Archos players are approximately same price as an iPod anyways, so stop saying that it's better to have a laptop, then you should say that the iPod is the same price as a laptop, and then anyways all Archos devices are much cooler than iPods.

Specially the Pma430 which is a fully hackable Linux embarqued with touch-screen, wifi, usb-host and still has all the portable video recorder/player full DivX compatibillity (dvd-resolution simple profile + b-frames + vbr-mp3)

So close, yet so far. (2, Informative)

Civil_Disobedient (261825) | more than 9 years ago | (#12730212)

"One significant problem that we found in our reviews of their players is that most movie files available online are in formats not readable by the Archos, requiring them to be laboriously converted before they could play on their devices."

If Archos would like to expand its marketshare (and survive the onslaught by Sony and, eventually Apple), they need to address this fundamental flaw with their PMP line of players.
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