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WIPO Wants Your Feedback

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the partici-pation dept.

Patents 195

Christian Engstrom writes "The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) is hosting an online discussion about 'Intellectual Property in the Information Society' from June 1 to 15, 2005. The conclusions of the Online Forum will form part of WIPO's contribution to the WSIS Tunis Summit. There are 10 different themes for discussion, including 'Open Information: At Odds with the IP System?' and 'Enforcement of IP Rights'. If you have any comments about file sharing, copyright enforcement, etc. (and who hasn't?), this may be a good place to post them."

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I have a feeling (4, Funny)

saskboy (600063) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731308)

My feeling is that the "feedback" many people want to give WIPO, consists not so much of text, as a graphical representation of a middle finger. I hope their survey is prepared to deal with that kind of input.

Re:I have a feeling (1)

FlyByPC (841016) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731377)

Well, if they're accepting text-only, maybe it's time to brush off our ASCII-art skills!

Re:I have a feeling (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731456)

Are you talking to me?

Patented (2, Interesting)

mfh (56) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731540)

The use of a third-party middle finger is currently patent-pending, and therefore we must notify you that we are unable to accept your patent-infringing useage of this method of expression. Please fill in this form, in triplicate and then we might ignore your request for up to six years, while we stay busy stealing ideas from trusting fools.

Have a nice day.

Re:I have a feeling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731573)

..|..?

Re:I have a feeling (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731720)

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Better.

Re:I have a feeling (2, Insightful)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731610)

My feedback will be in the form of a letter which can only be read 3 times. Afterward the paper and ink dissolves into your bloodstream. If you ever discuss the contents of the letter you will die of exsanguination. It affects your DNA and is present for three generations. The only thing you can do is purchase another compaint from me if you want to share it. A small fee of $17,814.72 in the form of a check will allow you to show the letter to one other person once.

An unlimited license is not available at this time, expect to wait 65 years.

Re:I have a feeling (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731806)

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Re:I have a feeling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12732049)

Wipo can suck my......

Not for us (3, Insightful)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731315)

Right... just like our feedback would have any effect.
They have a very strong agenda, and they are the bad guys. The forum is supposed to give them advice about ways to enforce "intellectual property", and this means removing fair use rights, not protecting them.

Re:Not for us (3, Interesting)

dattaway (3088) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731510)

Its an organization for money, supported by organizations with money. They are in the business of taking rights and making money from it. We are not welcome.

Re:Not for us (1)

The Original Yama (454111) | more than 9 years ago | (#12732073)

I'm sure this whole thing is just a stunt designed to placate us. They want to make us think that we can have some input, thereby lessening opposition to WIPO. My guess is that they won't do anything with the results. Maybe we'll get a few tiny concessions if we're lucky.

FP for WIPO troll (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731316)

Indeed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731326)

Where is the WIPO Troll when we need him?

Dear WIPO (0, Troll)

Frogbert (589961) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731317)

Dear WIPO,

Screw you all and the horses you rode in on.

Thank you,

Frogbert

Re:Dear WIPO (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731350)

I don't find your comments very humorous, "Frogbert", whatever that means. I think this a great opportunity for some serious discussion, something we've needed for a long time.

Sorry, I just don't take IP issues lightly.

Re:Dear WIPO (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731389)

Yeah, but this is like the Nazis wanting "serious discussion" about what to do with all them dirty jews.

Re:Dear WIPO (1)

saskboy (600063) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731396)

Why are you posting anonymously, you wouldn't be someone who bashes copyright law typically, and didn't want to reveal yourself as a hypocrite?

I thought Frogbert was rather insightful, since discussing anything with some organization as extreme as WIPO is going to be about as productive as discussing an Israel settlement plan with people from a neo-nazi organization.

gnaa you (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731318)

fp nigga

IP LAWS (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731324)

I really doubt that they really care what the public thinks.. they care about what the public will pay for

Feedback? easy. (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731329)

WIPO implies IP patents and lawyers. Need I say more?

5 jackbooted toes in their backside is my feedback.

Re:Feedback? easy. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731787)

Everybody hates lawyers, until they need one. Lawyers are preety much the only thing that stands between politicians and absolute power.

They're calling it a discussion? (2, Insightful)

kc32 (879357) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731334)

Sounds to me like it will be the biggest flamewar ever seen.

Re:They're calling it a discussion? (1)

markild (862998) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731359)

Well.. I would be nice to see the WIPO site slashdoted :P

Re:They're calling it a discussion? (1)

kc32 (879357) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731368)

Yeah, a DDoS without needing zombies.

Re:They're calling it a discussion? (1)

grcumb (781340) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731919)

[Re: The Slashdot Effect]

"Yeah, a DDoS without needing zombies."

Well, I guess that depends on your definition of 'zombies'. 8^)

Re:They're calling it a discussion? (1)

The_Wilschon (782534) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731994)

So, go and open as many pages on the WIPO site as possible... There is a small PDF I found, follow the About WIPO link on the main page, then down on the left, the link "organigram" is a PDF... dl that as many times as possible.... if we all work together, we should be able to pull the site down.

For one (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731358)

Make it so that the penality for downloading a movie is less than the penality for mugging someone on the street and buying a legal DVD with the money.

Re:For one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731507)

Yeah, and why stop there?

I think the penality for mugging someone is too much. I think they should just let give back what the got from the mugging, and give them a slap on the wrist.

Re:For one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731588)

If you want to keep going, you need to detail a situation which is a superset of "mugging someone" as far as everyone is involved, and whichse penalty is a restitution of the money and a slap on the wrist.

Re:For one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731598)

I second that!
--Anonymous Mugger.

Re:For one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731904)

That would be a step up in punishment for large corporations. No, they wouldn't like that, don't mention it again.

They'd never consider it, but... (4, Insightful)

FlyByPC (841016) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731361)

How about "get rid of the middleman?" If movies and music were distributed electronically, and available online as soon as they were released in the theaters, you could do away with a lot of the packaging / marketing / middlemen that drive up the cost. Sell albums for $3-$5 apiece online (more if you need a CD shipped), with no DRM, and I think piracy will go down. Make DVD-quality movies available via download for $5-$10 -- or less for older, less-popular movies -- and people won't bother to pirate those, either.

Unfortnately, groups like the one doing the survey will be the big losers. Such a scheme benefits artists, actors, and the public -- none of whom have near as good representation and lobbyists as the big recording and movie companies.

Re:They'd never consider it, but... (2, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731421)

Sell albums for $3-$5 apiece online (more if you need a CD shipped), with no DRM, and I think piracy will go down. Make DVD-quality movies available via download for $5-$10 -- or less for older, less-popular movies -- and people won't bother to pirate those, either.

Your so naive it's touching.

People have proven time and time over that

1 - When faced with the choice of either buying something legally for cheap, and downloading something illegally for free with almost no risk of getting caught, they'll get the illegal free stuff. Apart for a few highly moral people, free is better than cheap, period.

2 - When choosing between cheap, high quality stuff and the free, lesser quality version, people go for the free version. Again, apart for a few elitists and high-fidelity freaks, "free" is the criteria for most people.

Re:They'd never consider it, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731468)

I'm not highly moral, elitist or a high-fidelity freak.

Re:They'd never consider it, but... (3, Informative)

Frogbert (589961) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731535)

I'm not so sure about that, yes there will always be people that will never pay for anything but I think the vast majority of consumers would prefer to pay a sufficiently small flat rate for the conveniance of all you can eat music/tv shows/movies. Sure I could go out and download mp3s off gnutella or whatever but it is completely potluck when it comes to quality and what song your actually downloading.

Re:They'd never consider it, but... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731859)

Wrong.

Example: Allofmp3.com

They are cheap, and everything they offer is also available through "free" means like Gnutella, etc.

However, many people still use them. Why? Cheap + Convenient trumps Free + Hassle.

Re:They'd never consider it, but... (2, Interesting)

Fanro (130986) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731891)

My time is not free.
Hunting something down can be time consuming task, and with the usual p2p crap chances are you end up with something incomlete, useless or worse (like a children's movie with porn sliced in (or so I have heard (no, really, just heard about it :-) ) ) )

So "cheap" would probably be far cheaper than "free" in this case

Re:They'd never consider it, but... (2, Insightful)

extra the woos (601736) | more than 9 years ago | (#12732002)

which is why itunes has been such an incredible failure.

Re:They'd never consider it, but... (2, Interesting)

MushMouth (5650) | more than 9 years ago | (#12732188)

iTunes sells less songs in a year than get traded in a week via free p2p.

Re:They'd never consider it, but... (2, Interesting)

AstroDrabb (534369) | more than 9 years ago | (#12732055)

I think you are way off base here Rosco. DVD/Video rentals and sales are at an all-time-high! There are plenty of people (the majority actaully) that just want to pay a fair price and be done with it. The amount of time it takes to download a movie and then transcode it and burn it to a DVD is jut not worth it. Especially if you could get a new DVD for $5 bucks or so. What could turn that majority away is restrictive DRM, high prices, and region lockout. Even Joe User will get tired of not being able to go to the menu of a DVD until he has watched 10 mins of commercials.

For an exmaple of this, go to Walmart on a Friday night or Saturday. Go near the electrontics section and look for the big bargin-bin DVD thingy. It is just filled with tons of older or lesser titles for _very_ cheap. Watch as you see people act like animals over a kill trying to get at titles. It is really pretty sad.

Re:They'd never consider it, but... (1)

Vertdang (822271) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731443)

I'm going to copy/paste this verbatim and send it... I think it's a great idea. Getting rid of the publishing mafia as it stands today is the only way to help the artists.

Re:They'd never consider it, but... (1)

MC68000 (825546) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731474)

$3-$5 apiece online (more if you need a CD shipped), with no DRM, and I think piracy will go down.

If there is no DRM, some one will put this on Kazaa immediately. Why pay when you can get it for free? Especially if it is an exact copy, like a music album, instead of a low quality rip, like a TV show. Do you actually believe that any business in their right minds would do as you're suggesting?

Re:They'd never consider it, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731827)

They already sell copies with no effective DRM -- CDs and DVDs.

Re:They'd never consider it, but... (1)

AstroDrabb (534369) | more than 9 years ago | (#12732081)

If there is no DRM, some one will put this on Kazaa immediately
You sound like a bean-counter. Even with DRM, people still put it right on Kazaa!
Why pay when you can get it for free?
Umm, why don't you ask "Joe Average". The majority of consumers are actually buying DVD's/Video's, sales/rentals are very high. The majority of consumers are not downloading an AVI, transcoding it to MPEG2 and then burning a DVD, they are going out and renting or buying a DVD.

Re:They'd never consider it, but... (1)

lysergic.acid (845423) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731682)

movies and music aren't expensive because of the cost of packaging. they're expensive because businesses are greedy. printing a single DVD and having it packaged only costs about $1-1.50 if you're manufacturing it in quantities of a few hundred at a time. hollywood and the major record labels can get this done at half of that cost i'm sure. getting rid of that process isn't going to save anyone much money. the music and film industries are just used to making a killing off of the consumers. and besides, you can't just cut out the distributors and retailers. a record label or film studio isn't going to just have movies/music for download on their websites and not push their product to other outlets. distributors and retailers are used in these industries because record labels or studios can sell them bulk quantities of their products instead of dealing with individual sales which are in the domain of retailers.

Does "fuck off and die" (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731362)

count as feedback?

Re:Does "fuck off and die" (0, Troll)

Willy on Wheels (889645) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731508)

No, but this [zoy.org] does!

Re:Does "fuck off and die" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731555)

WTF!!!!!! put a warning on that

Oh right. (4, Insightful)

ravenspear (756059) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731384)

This is like the RIAA opening up an IRC channel to get some "intelligent discussion" going about IP enforcement. I think we all know where this will lead.

I think what is likely going on is that they want to hear some opinions from common people on these issues so they can analyze how to best promote their views in ways that will resonate. That way they can tweak their FUD for optimal consumption by the masses.

WIPO Feedback (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731402)

1. Eat WIPO shit
2. BM
3. Feed WIPO #2
4. Goto 1

Ugh, I feel dirty (1)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731409)

(Speaking as a Wikipedia contributor) The fact that that discussion page, which exists only to help them destroy fair use rights, comes from my beloved Wikipedia --- well, it makes my skin crawl.

Re:Ugh, I feel dirty (4, Interesting)

Alsee (515537) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731560)

They also cited the Wikipedia definition of "Public Domain" and in the next sentence proceeded to BASTARDIZE it into some sort of flaw in the law:

Wikipedia defines "public domain" as the "body of knowledge and innovation (especially creative works such as writing, art, music and inventions) in relation to which no person or other legal entity can establish or maintain proprietary interests. This body of information and creativity is considered to be part of the common cultural and intellectual heritage of humanity, which in general anyone may use or exploit." The public domain includes works and objects of related rights that can be used and exploited by everyone without authorization, and without obligation to pay the copyright owners concerned - generally because the term of protection for the works in question has expired or because there is no provision of copyright law requiring protection of the works in the country where the works are sought to be used.

Excuse me, if something is in the public domain then the "copyright owner" who is not getting paid DOES NOT EXIST.

And the last part in appears to paint public domain as a problem of flawed law from some sort of rouge countries.

-

Re:Ugh, I feel dirty (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 9 years ago | (#12732210)

Welcome to the new Enclosure Edicts.

How about: (0, Flamebait)

Trogre (513942) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731446)

Instead of announcing my position on Intellectual Property, I'm announcing that you're all... ...morons.

MOD PARENT UP & shoot the mod in the knee (1)

Tink2000 (524407) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731677)

Stupid mods.
He was saying (most likely) that what he wanted to POST to WIPO was that statement, not to us.

Jesus Christ.

Let's define what software is (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731452)

Software to me is a set of instructions to a device that understands binary data. As such, it is a form of free speech.

Therefore, I do not see how these instructions can be patented.

If in an effort to establish wheher an individual is mature or otherwise, I need to subtract their DoB from the current date, I could also keep subtracting month by month from the current date till the remaning date value is equal to the subject's DoB.

End result: Same age.

So why should one patent such an entity? What M$, IBM and the like have been doing for years, does not make sense IMNSHO.

Well... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731453)

I don't know what kind of feedback y'all are looking for but here are some articles in my zine, EuroHacker, about IP and related stuff:

Heh, might as well give y'all the sales plug :)

EuroHacker Magazine is a free-as-in-beer webzine dedicated to neat hacks, guns and survival. All from a European, slightly libertarian, perspective

You can find us in #eurohacker on irc.freenode.org or you can send us an e-mail to eurohacker@gmail.com

Oh, and the main site is here [nyud.net] .

All the links were nyud'ized. One can never be too careful :)

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731526)

I don't know what kind of feedback y'all are looking for but here are some articles in my zine, EuroHacker, about IP and related stuff:

[random links to hide the plug here]

Heh, might as well give y'all the sales plug :)


No you might not. Your post isn't even on-topic, that's really pathetic. Why else would you post anonymous otherwise. You should just go on and post "nothing to do with the article, but here's the address to my s00per-d00per site that I made in vi with my HTML-for-dummies book"...

Yo\u FAIL 1t? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731512)

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Royalties! (4, Funny)

yotto (590067) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731524)

If I give them my opinion, and they use it, can I get royalties for it?

As an aspiring patent attorney... (4, Insightful)

Absolut187 (816431) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731528)

As a future patent attorney, I encourage them to promote an incredibly complicated system of laws that only specialists can understand.

This will obviously stifle innovation by raising the cost of product development, but who cares?

It's not like the original purpose for creating patents and copyrights was to promote the progress of Science and useful Arts.

Or was it?

Re:As an aspiring patent attorney... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731565)

We need patents on the legal system itself, that'll put the fucking lawyers in their place!

Re:As an aspiring patent attorney... (1)

Quirk (36086) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731949)

" As a future patent attorney..."

OMG, the crazy bastards... now they've patented the future.

RMS (1)

lanced (795958) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731532)

I'm taking bets. I'll guess that every fifth post will be RMS. I'm sure he will try to restrain himself at first, but I'm hoping that he will eventually begin to speak of maternal fornication. But that's just a hunch.

actually, (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731925)

RMS does not have the money, the time, nor the lack of morals to do that. What it takes is somebody with lots of money to hire a number of others, and have absolutely no scruples/morals.

Hummmmm. I wonder which group that would be? Those who support IP via copyrights and will observe these, or those that want total IP rights for themselves, but will ignore them when applied to themselves?

O NOES!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731543)

Apple is switching to Intel chips!!!! It's the apocalypse!!!!!!

*head explodes*

Get OECD to Tax Assets Except Creator-Owned IP (1)

Baldrson (78598) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731545)

The OECD's efforts to standardize tax global tax policy [oecd.org] has the wrong basis. Since an objective is the avoid double taxation of international investment, all taxation (not including import/export tariffs) and the cost of maintaining the social construct of property rights belongs to the jurisdiction within which those property rights are exercised, the single taxation objective can be achieved by taxing net assets thereby eliminating other forms of taxation.

While there may need be exemptions for such basic assets as home and tools of the trade, as there is during bankruptcy procedings, there is another asset that should be protected from taxation and respected by all nations:

Inventor-owned IP.

The point of this is quite simple: At present, acquisition of assets is subsidized by taxing things other than assets for the maintanence of the social construct of property rights. The only asset that is taxed is the patent of invention -- a situation that forces frequently-capital-poor inventors to assign their inventions to acquisitors who have been subsidized.

This is the opposite of what should be subsidized. Creation, not acquisition, should be subsidized. Inventors should be more capable of independent capitalization of their own ideas so that the world has more positive sum options and fewer forces driving it to resource conflicts.

Me and my funny feeling about these people (4, Insightful)

Simonetta (207550) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731550)

Why do I get the funny feeling that these people are much more interested in justifying putting people in prison for listening to music than they are with dealing with the fact that the five entertainment corporations have STOLEN the public domain in the USA by infinitely extending the copyright period.

When you buy something on 'time' you make an agreed number of payments and then the item is yours, you own it. The seller does not have the legal right to decide to extend the number of payments that you have to make whenever you get close to completion.

The copyright period works in the same way. We, the people, agree to let X corporation own the right to demand money for the viewing of an individual work of art or entertainment for a precise and limited amount of time agreed upon when the copyright was granted.

By bribing politicians to extend the copyright period without agreed upon compensation to We, the people, the corporations have stolen the work of art (or entertainment) and all demanded payments for viewing this title after the original copyright period has ended are improper and illegal extortions of revenue from the people wishing to view this work under their public domain rights.

By bribing the politicians to infinitely extend the copyright period, by extending it EVERY time that it is due to expire, the corporations are engaging in a repeated pattern of criminal behavior. Under the RICO act, the people can demand that the entities engaging in continous criminal behavior be deprived of their means, their assets, and the legal framework for their continued existence.

By copying music and movies and sharing these files, We, the people, are simply asserting our rights when faced with a corrupt and racketeering organization. Which in this case are entertainment companies who have stolen the public domain.

Don't let anyone ever tell you again that you are a 'pirate' or thief because you chose to share or download files of entertainment content.
And don't take any nonsense from corporate-controlled non-government trade organizations either.

Thank you.

Re:Me and my funny feeling about these people (1)

Tolookah (837210) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731880)

As much as I agree with your main point; there are still new works being distributed which would definitely fall under the original time length for the laws in place. Honestly, if something is older than me, the owner doesn't have many rights to it, as it had its time in the sun before I could speak. On the other hand, if I thought that something is really worth the money, I will buy it; but that is getting off topic and all rambly, so thats enough for me.

Re:Me and my funny feeling about these people (2, Insightful)

Runagate Rampant (602123) | more than 9 years ago | (#12732229)

"Treason doth never prosper: ... For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." -- John Harington

Stupid Slashbots (3, Insightful)

shadow_slicer (607649) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731564)

All of the posts so far seem to be just generic knee-jerk comments about IP.

Consider this: if they recieve well-written and enlightened criticism (as most of the already existing commentary appears to be) then we will be able to view their future actions in light of the forum results. This will provide a yardstick for anyone to compare their future actions.

If they do something that opposes the majority opinion or most sensible recommendations present in the open forum, we can criticize them.
As is we have no reference for what information is available to them, so we cannot prove that they are being intentionally evil.

Even if they refuse to listen to us, it is a chance for concerned parties to submit their concerns in a single location on the record.
And in case they do listen to us we should explain rationally what and why we hold our opinions, what changes we would recommend and how they would effect those involved (ex. if patents disappeared no one would have to hire a patent attorney (yay!), but would have no protection against people copying their ideas and no incentive to ever document their inventions (boo!)). If they find our explanations acceptable they may change their policies to be more to our liking.

Stupid Slashbot (1)

sirReal.83. (671912) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731627)

Congratulations, you've won the prize. You've both decried and embodied problem you observed in a single post. Bravo.

How about leading by example? You might do a decent job.

Re:Stupid Slashbots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731732)

Well reasoned responses are probably more damaging than rants. Legally there's no such thing as "Intellectual property", the organization needs renaming or destroying. What we should be doing is writing to our representatives and complaining about WIPO.

bureaucrats || lawyers == parasites &! creators

Re:Stupid Slashbots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731851)

Great idea. Unfortunately, my feedback would be dismissed as off-topic. Interesting how the themes don't includes such topics as
  1. "What is an appropriately balanced length for copyright?", or
  2. "What impact does Digital Rights Management have on the goal of copyright?".

Instead they have such loaded discussions as

  1. "The WSIS Declaration of Principles sets out a vision for the information society - how can the intellectual property system support this vision?", and
  2. "What are the challenges for enforcement of intellectual property rights in the digital environment?"

Re:Stupid Slashbots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731934)

Consider this: if they recieve well-written and enlightened criticism (as most of the already existing commentary appears to be)

I guess you haven't seen post number 13 under Theme Three [wipo.int] . The author added a DIV tag with an absolute position at the top of the page. A picture of our good friend GOATSE is inside the DIV tag. That will pretty much stop anyone without an agenda from reading any of the commentary.

It will also reflect very badly on those who question WIPO when the topic comes up for discussion (the picture could have been posted by a member of the RIAA, but that doesn't matter).

What is the harm? (1)

elgee (308600) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731580)

Where is the downside in giving WIPO some well thought out feedback? I would like to take the extremists on both side of this issue and POUND THIS SHIT OUT OF THEM. Good feedback may not change their minds, but it might make them look foolish.

Of course I know all of you are so busy doing spectacular things in life that you would NEVER waste your time posting inanities to forums/boards.

Re:What is the harm? (1)

Crashmarik (635988) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731846)

Harm ? If you participate in a process you legitimize the process. Instead of being someone that resists the very concept you become a zealot unhappy with the neccessesary compromises.

That said given the manner the wipo has acted in the past my guess is they are hoping for bad behaviour from the open information society people so that they may better demonize them.

hmm (1)

mattyrobinson69 (751521) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731601)

maybe somebody[*] with a good knowlege of software patents should have a gander and see what patents the wipo site is infinging on (if possible), such as a javascript for loop (that's patented isn't it?), etc

[*] i dont really know much about software patents other than what i read on /., so i cant do it

summary (2, Insightful)

KillShill (877105) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731617)

WIPO = Global BSA/SPA

what kind of jail cell do you want today?

there is NO way in hell that we will ever get anything even remotely reasonable in copyright laws. our only hope is that the current system collapses. there are far too many people with interests that run counter to justice and freedom that control the strings.

it's not giving up so much as knowing where to draw the line. it's like exerting infinitely more energy in a marathon each step to make it to the finish line when everyone but you is already there.

it's better to help contribute to its demise. slip copyright a few cyanide tablets when it's not looking.

WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731692)

Am I the only one who saw the goatse picture on the page about "Open Information: At Odds with the IP System?" [wipo.int] ? No I'm not trolling, if you're curious you can check out that link (but I suggest that you don't).

Re:WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731708)

My eyes does still hurt... Somebody should put a big fat warning in the article-text.

Goatse (1)

bobbis.u (703273) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731753)

Am I the only one who saw the goatse picture on the page about "Open Information: At Odds with the IP System?"? No I'm not trolling, if you're curious you can check out that link (but I suggest that you don't).

No, you're not the only one. Same goes for the public domain page [wipo.int] (NOT work safe).

I guess somebody should have checked the HTML comment posting code a bit more thoroughly.

Re:Goatse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731836)

Owned!

Damn that's good

Figures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731823)

Some freeloader is upset, can't discuss thing in a civil manner, and the only way they can "contribute" is posting goatse. Considering the comments made here on slashdot, can't say I am surprised.

Now that is a great way to tell them and argue what is wrong with copy rights/drm/etc!

Re:WTF (1)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731832)

For once, not reading TFA is actually working in favour of slashdotters.

Theme 3 - Hacked (2, Informative)

KaSkA101 (692931) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731704)

Anyone look at theme three? It appears that it was hacked, as it has a picture from gotse on the top of the page.

Re:Theme 3 - Hacked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731902)

Looking for the source code I don't think you could call it "hacked", it's rather an exploit of a flaw in the comments system (that is posting a pic in your comment but being able to make it appear wherever you want on the page)

Re:Theme 3 - Hacked (1)

TekBoy (142140) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731988)

Somebody mod this way up as a warning. I didn't need to see that.

Basic Html=Hacking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12732275)

OMG, I am an 31337 html h4x0r, and I didn't even know it!

Goatsed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731754)

WIPO is pwned (1)

Urusai (865560) | more than 9 years ago | (#12732031)

That was quick. Is nothing sacred?? Could the RIAA be next?? Teh INTARNETS IS NOT A JOKE!!1!!!11!11

Bill of Rights (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12731785)

Obligatory link to the DigitalConsumer.org Bill of Rights [digitalconsumer.org]

wipo site hacked... (1)

3seas (184403) | more than 9 years ago | (#12731907)

seems someone really likes wipo... that they wanted to post their picture over the text at one of the article links,,,

oh well.... I'm sure WIPO knows there are those who do not like them, without this sort of hacking...

Re:wipo site hacked... (1)

ramblin billy (856838) | more than 9 years ago | (#12732059)


Yeah, the hacker is so kewl. Too bad it just gives the WIPO some disgusting proof that their opponents in the IP discussion are a group of childish, immature, punks. Mainstream organizations (like legislatures) will consider this another example of the hollow content and negative orientation of the anti-IP community. This community is already rife with ranting zealots who quote others ideas without understanding them, consistently use flawed logical arguments, and refuse to remain open-minded enough to participate in a sincere discussion. They don't seem to realize that the reform of the present deplorable situation requires communication and cooperation. They are not helping. If the exploit's contents are a self-portrait, then every cloud does indeed have a silver lining. The hacker obviously has plenty of room to return his pinhead to its customary location.

billy - who hopes no gerbils were harmed in the hacking of the site

WIPO Want *OUR* Feedback? (1)

Roofus (15591) | more than 9 years ago | (#12732108)

Why, did they run out of toilet paper?
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