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Apple Switching to Intel

pudge posted more than 8 years ago | from the but-but-but-but dept.

Intel 2950

Steve Jobs announced at the WWDC keynote today that Apple is switching to Intel processors. MacNN has live coverage. The bottom line is that Mac OS X for the last five years has been running on Intel, the switch is expected to be complete in two years, and Rosetta will allow PPC apps to run on Intel-based Macs, transparently. If you're using Xcode, it is small changes and a recompile; otherwise, you might be seeing a lot of work ahead of you. You will be able to order the 10.4.1 preview for Intel today.

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GNAA FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737891)

LOL @ APPLE

Have a taste... (4, Funny)

wankledot (712148) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737894)

It's crow. Eat up. (I'll have to eat my share too.)

Re:Have a taste... (5, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 8 years ago | (#12738042)

No time for that now! I have to work up my new explanation of why CISC is better than RISC, MMX is better than AltiVec and only an idiot would ever think otherwise!

Re:Have a taste... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12738044)

Spice Girls reunite.

Lucas mulls prequels to the prequels.

Apple chooses Intel.

WHAT FUCKING CIRCLE OF HELL IS THIS?!

GNAA Announces Victory over Apple Community (0, Troll)

Opportunist Troll (873090) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737895)

GNAA Announces Victory over Apple Community

San Francisco, California - Just three days after being the first in the world to leak photos of Apple's upcoming revision to MacOS X, version 10.4, Steve Jobs announced to the world facts about the new Operating System consistent with information leaked by elite GNAA operator Gary Niger and prospective member Ron Delsner.

"We've pulled it off!", noted Niger during Jobs' announcement at Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference. "The GNAA plan was clever from the start with this one I think. When we received our leaked copy of the OS, we knew that by releasing only partial information and some screenshots, the association people would make with the GNAA would lead them to believe the screenshots were fake. Now that Steve 'Rim' Jobs has verified everything we leaked, we have managed to fool the entire Mac community. In essense, a few hundred thousand people have been trolled, a few hundred thousand people have lost. Though I do wish they have a nice day"

"I don't think it could have worked out any better; Every single one of the features shown in our screenshots, particularly Dashboard, which everybody called as fake, was demoed by Jobs. This is my revenge for being beat up on the rent", quoted Ron Delsner on being approached by reporters. "I've been wanting to join the Gay Nigger Association of America for quite some time, and knew that I help pull off something big if they were to let me in."

Delsner was right, as upon hearing this, Gary Niger immediately produced a vial of what he called the "Holy Gay Nigger Seed" from his front pocket, and asked Ron to kneel, at which time the Seed was poured upon Ron's head, making him an official member of the GNAA. Noticing the television cameras present in the press room, Gary cited that this was in fact the first televised induction of a member into the GNAA.

"But back to the troll", Niger said quickly after. "I had a sneaking suspicion that the homosexual caucasians of the Mac community would feel threatened by the GNAA's massive nigger cocks and immediately cast doubts upon any screenshots we produced for them. I saw this as an opportunity to troll hundreds of thousands of people. It just goes to show that GNAA is greater than j00, and that fristage postage is mine."

And Niger certainly did not fail it, as can be seen from the following excerpts taken from various Internet website's covering the leak:

ThinkSecret.com - "In fact, it was the source that led many users to call the shots fake; the information in that story, as well as this one, was provided by Gary Niger and Ron Delsner of the GNAA, an organization that deals in crapfloods and Slashdot trolling."

AppleInsider.com - "Enjoy the photoshop work. I seriously don't think Apple would be so crazy to use those jargons."

MacRumors.com - "Hmm... Information by "Gary Niger" of GNAA. Sounds too stupid to be true. And that dashboard thing? Hogwash me thinks ..."

MacRumors.com - "I immediately thought of them when I saw "GNAA". Anyone who reads Slashdot would be familiar with them - they put big spam posts everywhere. Yes, and it doesn't surprise me. I don't think the screenshots are real (at least not the Dashboard ones), but I have no trouble believing the PDF."

Kim Kap Sol on AppleInsider.com said "I can guarantee those are fake." He then continued by saying "Hello I R Korea KEKEKEKE OMG ZERG RUSH GOGOGOGO ^_^"

Gary's reply to this was "Way to make a complete idiot of yourself you dog-eating douchebag."

Steve Jobs was unavailable for comment immediately following the keynote address, though WWDC attendee and GNAA member Porfa noticed "A cute wiggle in Jobs' ass as he walked away."

About Apple

Apple Computer is the creator of the Macintosh, popularly known as the "gay computer". 87% of GNAA members are Mac users. Founded in 1974 by Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak, Apple was nearly out of business in the mid 90's, when Jobs was rehired. He then started the now infamous iGay marketing scheme which involved both the Step 2 ???? Profit model, and a 100% effort towards marketing towards homosexuals.


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Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!
  • First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE [imdb.com] and watch it. You can download the movie [idge.net] (~130mb) using BitTorrent.
  • Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post [wikipedia.org] on slashdot.org [slashdot.org] , a popular "news for trolls" website.
  • Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on your knowledge of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE.

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link [irc] if you are using an irc client such as mIRC.
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.________________________________________________.
| ______________________________________._a,____ | Press contact:
| _______a_._______a_______aj#0s_____aWY!400.___ | Gary Niger
| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | gary_niger@gnaa.us [mailto]
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA Corporate Headquarters
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | 143 Rolloffle Avenue
| ________"#,___*@`__-N#____`___-!^_____________ | Tarzana, California 91356
| _________#1__________?________________________ |
| _________j1___________________________________ | All other inquiries:
| ____a,___jk_GAY_NIGGER_ASSOCIATION_OF_AMERICA_ | Enid TBD
| ____!4yaa#l___________________________________ | enid_tbd@gnaa.us [mailto]
| ______-"!^____________________________________ | GNAA World Headquarters
` _______________________________________________' 160-0023 Japan Tokyo-to Shinjuku-ku Nishi-Shinjuku 3-20-2

Copyright (c) 2003-2004 GNAA [www.gnaa.us]

GNAA FP FAIL (-1, Troll)

dcom (814853) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737896)

GNAA copycats arrested in LastMeasure child porn scam
GNAA copycats arrested in LastMeasure child porn scam

London, England -- GNAA's UK division has reported that five unnamed jews who abused LastMeasure links at their school in a total failure of a fashion were today taken away for interrogation by the government's National High Tech Crime Unit. The accused created shitty batch files in a rucas-esque attempt to flood the schools' computer systems with LastMeasure URL's.

After a filled computer class was exposed to LastMeasure for more than five minutes, a N.H.T.C.U. team raided the computer lab and abducted the culprits. One managed to escape the clutches of the government after being taken to a detention centre and fled to the GNAA UK headquarters in London. According to an interview with the escapee, they were taken away to an unknown location and locked in a cell. One by one, they were taken and tortured for hours on end with spiky anal dildos and analpears. Heading up the torture was none other then the notorious Kirk Johnson, also known by his nickname "The Goatse Man".

"It was absolutely horrible! My asshole is now ruined for life. The things they were doing to us were unhuman. All the while, we were forced to hear a looping MP3 of Mr Johnson repeating 'I am the Goatse Man, I stretch ass like no-one can' over and over. I will never be able to sleep soundly again. These people are monsters!"

We were then informed that the remaining prisoners were to be flown to Iraq for beheading, Kenneth Bigley style.

This news has shocked the GNAA community. Many were in disbelief that LastMeasure had any child porn what so ever. According to our inside nigger agent in the N.H.T.C.U. the image file "eww.jpg" was found to be of a "paedophilic" nature. dcom of the GNAA's UK branch was found saying "wtf, thats child porn? I masturbate to that picture evey day and I'm no paedophile!" We believe this to be an unjust attack against the GNAA's premiere software product, and yet another attempt by the Zionists rooted deep within the British Government to destroy the world's greatest trolling organisation.

We will not waive on our stance that LastMeasure is 100% legal. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight on the Internets, we shall fight on 4chan and on Slashdot, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength with our next-generation trolling applications, we shall defend LastMeasure, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on IRC, we shall fight on the telephone conferences, we shall fight in the schools and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender.

About LastMeasure:

A primitive version of LastMeasure was concieved by Penisbird of the GNAA after playing with an AIM utility named AIM Invader. It offered Penisbird a myriad of ways to crash AIM clients. By far the most powerful crash was the "last measure" crash, which would inundate an AIM client with file transfer requests, buddy list sends, messages full of smileys and colors, until the AIM client crashed due to lack of RAM.

The LastMeasure site originally consisted of Penisbird, Goatse, Tubgirl, Lemonparty, and Shitfaced Lady. But has expanded to include many other of the internets treasured icons. And with the addition of StatsMeasure, the clipboard data of thousands of unwitting victims has now been exposed for the world to see.

For more information about LastMeasure, visit the official website, LastMeasure.com [lastmeasure.com]

LastMeasure is licensed under the BSD Version 2 License.


About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY [klerck.org] ?
Are you a NIGGER [mugshots.org] ?
Are you a GAY NIGGER [gay-sex-access.com] ?

If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America and the World! You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today!

Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!
  • First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE [imdb.com] and watch it. You can download the movie [idge.net] (~130mb) using BitTorrent.
  • Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post [wikipedia.org] on slashdot.org [slashdot.org] , a popular "news for trolls" website.
  • Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on your knowledge of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE.

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link [irc] if you are using an irc client such as mIRC.

If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.

.________________________________________________.
| ______________________________________._a,____ | Press contact:
| _______a_._______a_______aj#0s_____aWY!400.___ | Gary Niger
| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | gary_niger@gnaa.us [mailto]
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA Corporate Headquarters
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | 143 Rolloffle Avenue
| ________"#,___*@`__-N#____`___-!^_____________ | Tarzana, California 91356
| _________#1__________?________________________ |
| _________j1___________________________________ | All other inquiries:
| ____a,___jk_GAY_NIGGER_ASSOCIATION_OF_AMERICA_ | Enid Indian
| ____!4yaa#l___________________________________ | enid_indian@gnaa.us [mailto]
| ______-"!^____________________________________ | GNAA World Headquarters
` _______________________________________________' 160-0023 Japan Tokyo-to Shinjuku-ku Nishi-Shinjuku 3-20-2

Copyright (c) 2003-2005 Gay Nigger Association of America [www.gnaa.us]

where's the lawsuit against c|net? (4, Insightful)

professorhojo (686761) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737897)

Late Friday afternoon, C|Net News [com.com] published an extremely valuable trade secret about Apple [apple.com] and Intel [intel.com] , days before Apple was scheduled to announce it ( Apple to Ditch IBM, Switch to Intel Chips [com.com] ). So, where's the friggin' lawsuit [eff.org] against C|Net to find out who leaked? Where is the judge who is going to claim that what C|Net published was "stolen property"?

From: http://www.corante.com/importance/archives/2005/06 /05/apple_intel_wheres_the_lawsuit_against_cnet.ph p [corante.com]

Re:where's the lawsuit against c|net? (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 8 years ago | (#12738036)

Maybe they haven't gotten around to it yet. It's only been a few days since CNet made their report, and most of those days were the weekend. Maybe they already found out who leaked it and are taking the necessary precautions. Maybe it was an intentional leak to get more publicity for the event.

Don't accuse Apple of being hypocritical about this just yet.

Wow! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737904)

Look at those pigs fly!

"503 Service Unavailable" - Slashdot.org (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737905)

The irony is just too rich

I love it. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737906)

Mac enthusiasts spouted off about the superiority of their favourite computing architecture, and now Apple is switching to Intel.

This is bullshit. (2, Interesting)

mcc (14761) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737911)

This is-- it's hard to tell-- possibly a good business decision for Apple. It's probably good for the seemingly quite large contingent of people here on slashdot who say over and over they have always wanted macs but never actually get one. For those of you in the "let's run linux on a toaster!" contingent this is fantastic, since you now have the fun challenge open to you of screwing with Darwin and getting an unauthorized port of Mac OS/x86 running on your athlons or whatever you kids are using these days.

For Apple's actual customers, this fucking sucks.

I've been using macs for... I can't even keep track. Somewhere between thirteen and sixteen years now. Shortly into this, I had to deal with a painful and extremely nasty transition, when Apple switched from the 680x0 to the PowerPC architecture. This was necessary. The 680x0 was not a growable architecture; the PPC architecture was (and still is). The PPC represented such a massive boost in power that the 680x0 could be emulated with more speed than the fastest mac 680x0s themselves offered. But it was still hard. Mac users had to deal with the obnoxiousness of fat binaries vs ppc vs 68k for years, and the slowdown when those 68k apps were running, and the 68k binaries never quite went away all the way up until OS X. Getting PPC binaries was in theory just a matter of recompiling, but sometimes relatively essential apps had been made by developers who had disappeared off the face of the planet, or had made their programs dependent on legacy programming tools without ppc support, or were just plain lazy. In practice FAT binaries were a luxury because devs generally either had compiled for 68k long ago and didn't feel like recompiling, or were compiling on PPC and didn't feel like going to the bother of compiling and distributing FAT just for the convenience of the users of a discontinued architecture.

Awhile after this, I had to deal with another painful and extremely nasty transition, when Apple switched to OS X. This too was necessary, and we'd known it was coming for years; most of us were getting quite impatient, since we'd been waiting since Spindler for an OS where we could for(int *p=0;;*(p++)=0); without having to reboot. But it wasn't effortless. Aside from random complaints about the spatial finder or migrane-inducing cutesy interference bar patterns everywhere, the mac software library was kind of messed up for a long time. Classic was not really usable except in an emergency, especially not since the early versions of OS X dealt so horribly with RAM starvation and Classic was a big RAM demand. Classic also didn't work with a lot of apps, especially in the A/V area. So this wasn't like the 68k switch, where having the wrong binary meant a little bit of slowdown; the software library had to start over at zero. Yeah, we got Word and IE and the other big apps relatively quickly, but that does not a software library make. You need support apps. You need Adiums and VLCs and Colliloquys. You know, the little programs that maybe aren't in day to day usage and maybe not everyone -- but everyone needs one of these apps eventually, and when you need them, you need them. Unless like me you were lucky enough to know how to escape into UNIX-land and use the software library there, for a long time you would find yourself periodically screwed. But, this was necessary, and this passed. It took five years or so, but the software library has now gotten to the point where if I suddenly find myself thinking "hmm, I need an app that does blah" I can look on versiontracker and more likely than not find it.

Except now this new transition is going to make that library restart once again at zero.

And this transition is different. There isn't a viable benefit to the customers. When the whole thing's done, in three years or whenever, we'll have a marginally faster computer, maybe a few tens of percents faster. Or rather so long as you weren't using any Altivec-heavy apps (since SSE is a poor replacement) and as long as IBM doesn't continue to grow the PPC the way it looks like they well might, then maybe we'll have a marginally faster computer. And that's it. The power boost isn't sufficient to wipe out the speed losses from emulating the old architecture, and the architecture that is being moved to is (due to unfortunate design differences) at a rediculous disadvantage when emulating PPC anyway-- I don't know what the exact technology behind this "rosetta" thing is, but I don't buy the idea it'll be worth it. Meanwhile most of us already using Macintoshes weren't doing so for the speed; the PPC->x86 speed boost is going to be not a benefit to a great number of us. But we're still going to have to deal with it. All of us.

And it won't be fun. Oh, but it's just a recompile to add x86 compatibility! Well, I've heard that line before. And that's fine for the handful of great OS X open source apps, but for the rest good luck finding someone to do that recompile. I know it wasn't easy last time.

Mac OS X has been, from day one, a fantastically portable OS. The Cocoa APIs, from day one, have had quirks (for example in threading) that are actually listed in the docs as being in case the architecture the API rests on has to change someday later. The package architecture has had that space for multi-architecture machine code since day one. Apple could have, if they wanted, had us build fat binaries from day one. They could have, if they wanted, made OS X a truly cross platform OS to begin with, meaning that a transition to x86 now would be painless. They could make OS X a truly cross platform OS now, meaning that those of us who have been apple customers for years wouldn't have to uproot everything and throw out the support apps we're used to. Instead, no, they made OS X a platform locked OS, first locked into PPC, then x86. And those of us presently with PPCs are now locked out, because rather than making mac/x86 and mac/PPC equal alternatives Apple is simply phasing PPC out. Which means-- just like last time this happened-- give it a year or so and developers will not want to bother to compile for us. My mac, which before I was expecting I could use indefinitely, for years and years at least, now has a limited amount of time to live before it becomes useless.

So Apple has decided that in a year or three, I am going to begin a painful and extremely nasty transition. Now I have to decide whether that transition is going to be to Mac OS/x86, or to Linux. At the moment I'm frankly not sure.

Yeah, except now you can have a fast mobile (4, Insightful)

xtal (49134) | more than 8 years ago | (#12738022)

The powerbooks weren't cutting it and there was NO WAY to get a G5 in there.

Maybe I can get back to a 4-5hr runtime like the first generation Tibook had..

Re:This is bullshit. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12738039)

dude, you must either type like 200 words per minute or you had that already written up obituary style lol

Only one thing left to say (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737912)

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!

-- SW3

AMD64 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737917)

I hope Apple supports the best x86 chips, AMD64.

So who could say... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737918)

I, for one, welcome our new Intel overlords.

Wine for OS/X (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737922)

Its time to help the Darwine people make a Cocoa driver.

So here it is (4, Insightful)

Ignorant Aardvark (632408) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737924)

My prediction of when you'll be able to run Mac OS X on an x86 machine is still: never. Apple isn't a software company. They're a hardware company. Just because they're changing their processor does not mean you're going to be able to run it on your hardware.

I wanted to go see that historic keynote (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737926)

But it was a whooping $1,595 [apple.com] .

Holy... (1)

Spytap (143526) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737927)

I have to admit, I never saw this coming. It was one of those things that was always to be dismissed out of hand without even another thought...
Repercussions?

Not that big of a surprise (4, Funny)

stlhawkeye (868951) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737931)

Let's see, first I said, about 4 years ago, "There will be a color iPod soon." And everybody told me, "No way, that'd be stupid and pointless." The translation from Defensivegeek into English is, "I hope not, or I won't have the coolest, latest toy any more to lord over my friends!"

I also have been agreeing with the industry analysts who said Apple would be running on Intel chips before long, and I've been vindicated.

Now, if my prediction that Microsoft will have a Linux or other UNIX-like kernel in Windows by 2015 holds up I'll consider myself the Nostradomus of IT.

So when can I get a copy? (1)

cflorio (604840) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737932)

"plans to deliver models of its Macintosh® computers using Intel® microprocessors by this time next year, and to transition all of its Macs to using Intel microprocessors by the end of 2007." http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jun/06intel.h tml I don't want to buy a mac, I want to buy a copy of OS X that will run on my current hardware. When's that going to be available?

Marklar is real. From MacCentral...... (2, Informative)

kajoob (62237) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737935)

The rumors are true: Intel will be inside

Jobs talked about the major transitions in the Mac's life -- starting from the Mac's Motorola 68000-series processor to PowerPC. "The PowerPC set Apple up fro the next decade. It was a good move," he said.

"The second transition was even better -- the transition from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X that we just did," he continued. "This was a brain transplant. And even though these operating systems (9 and x) vary only by one in name, they are very different, and this has set Apple up for the next 20 years."

As the Intel logo lowered on the stage screen, Jobs said, "We are going to make the transition from PowerPC to Intel processors, and we are going to do it for you now, and for our customers next year. Why? Because we want to be making the best computer for our customers looking forward."

"I stood up here two years ago and promised you 3.0 GHz. I think a lot of you would like a G5 in your PowerBook, and we haven't been able to deliver that to you," said Jobs. "But as we look ahead, and though we've got great products now, and great PowerPC products still to come, we can envision great products we want to build, and we can't envision how to build them with the current PowerPC roadmap," said Jobs.

Intel processors provide more performance per watt than PowerPC processors do, said Jobs. "When we look at future roadmaps, mid-2006 and beyond, we see PoweRPC gives us 15 units of perfomance per watt, but Intel's roadmap gives us 70. And so this tells us what we have to do," he explained.

Transition to Intel by 2007, and yes, Marklar exists

"Starting next year, we will introduce Macs with Intel processors," said Jobs. "This time next year, we plan to ship Macs with Intel processors. In two years, our plan is that the transition will be mostly complete, and will be complete by end of 2007."

Jobs then confirmed a long-held belief that Apple was working on an Intel-compatible version of Mac OS X that some have termed "Marklar."

Mac OS X has been "leading a secret double life" for the past five years, said Jobs. "So today for the first time, I can confirm the rumors that every release of Mac OS X has been compiled for PowerPC and Intel. This has been going on for the last five years."

Jobs demonstrated a version of Mac OS X running on a 3.6GHz Pentium 4-processor equipped system, running a build of Mac OS X v10.4.1. He showed Dashboard widgets, Spotlight, iCal, Apple's Mail, Safari and iPhoto all working on the Intel-based system.

Apple needs developers' help to complete the transition

"We are very far along on this, but we're not done," said Jobs. "Which is why we're going to put it in your hands very soon, so you can help us finish it."

The future of Mac OS X development is moving to Xcode, said Jobs. Of Apple's top 100 developers, more than half -- 56 percent -- are already using Xcode, and 25 percent are in the process of switching to Xcode. "Less than 20 percent are not on board yet. Now is a good time to get on board," said Jobs.

If you were an apple user (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737936)

who vehemently denied this, enjoy an extra serving of crow.

Cross-compatibility: OS X and Windows (2, Insightful)

flashinglights (694554) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737938)

This means we'll be able to buy Apple hardware and run Windows software natively, through WINE or similar.

After recovering from the shock, this is starting to seem like a good move for Apple.

Mac Zealots panic in 3...2...1... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737939)

Sounds like a pretty trivial deal to convert most applications. I wounder how fast the emulated stuff runs.

Clone Mac's? (1)

MISplice (19058) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737941)

If they are switching to basic Intel processors will that make them more or less PC clones?

The link to the coverage was slashdotted already..

I feel sick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737946)

I dont know what to say.

And the new macs will be called... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737955)

iMacs

[duck]

Xcode & fat binaries (1)

tji (74570) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737956)

Apparently they are going to use something similar to NeXT's fat binaries, so Xcode can build an app that will run on either PowerPC or x86 architectures.

It sounds like Apple is requiring developers to move to Xcode to ease this transition. He specifically mentioned Metrowerks Codewarrior users would need to move to Xcode.

Paste from Macworld..read before flaming (4, Informative)

Danathar (267989) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737957)

The rumors are true: Intel will be inside

Jobs talked about the major transitions in the Mac's life -- starting from the Mac's Motorola 68000-series processor to PowerPC. "The PowerPC set Apple up fro the next decade. It was a good move," he said.

"The second transition was even better -- the transition from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X that we just did," he continued. "This was a brain transplant. And even though these operating systems (9 and x) vary only by one in name, they are very different, and this has set Apple up for the next 20 years."

As the Intel logo lowered on the stage screen, Jobs said, "We are going to make the transition from PowerPC to Intel processors, and we are going to do it for you now, and for our customers next year. Why? Because we want to be making the best computer for our customers looking forward."

"I stood up here two years ago and promised you 3.0 GHz. I think a lot of you would like a G5 in your PowerBook, and we haven't been able to deliver that to you," said Jobs. "But as we look ahead, and though we've got great products now, and great PowerPC products still to come, we can envision great products we want to build, and we can't envision how to build them with the current PowerPC roadmap," said Jobs.

Intel processors provide more performance per watt than PowerPC processors do, said Jobs. "When we look at future roadmaps, mid-2006 and beyond, we see PoweRPC gives us 15 units of perfomance per watt, but Intel's roadmap gives us 70. And so this tells us what we have to do," he explained.

Transition to Intel by 2007, and yes, Marklar exists

"Starting next year, we will introduce Macs with Intel processors," said Jobs. "This time next year, we plan to ship Macs with Intel processors. In two years, our plan is that the transition will be mostly complete, and will be complete by end of 2007."

Jobs then confirmed a long-held belief that Apple was working on an Intel-compatible version of Mac OS X that some have termed "Marklar."

Mac OS X has been "leading a secret double life" for the past five years, said Jobs. "So today for the first time, I can confirm the rumors that every release of Mac OS X has been compiled for PowerPC and Intel. This has been going on for the last five years."

Jobs demonstrated a version of Mac OS X running on a 3.6GHz Pentium 4-processor equipped system, running a build of Mac OS X v10.4.1. He showed Dashboard widgets, Spotlight, iCal, Apple's Mail, Safari and iPhoto all working on the Intel-based system.

Apple needs developers' help to complete the transition

"We are very far along on this, but we're not done," said Jobs. "Which is why we're going to put it in your hands very soon, so you can help us finish it."

Widget, scripts and Java applications should work in the new environment without any conversion, said Jobs. Cocoa-based applications will require "a few minor tweaks and a recompile." Carbon-based applications require "a few more tweaks," recompiling, and "they'll work," said Jobs. And projects built using Metrowerks' CodeWarrior need to be moved to Xcode.

The future of Mac OS X development is moving to Xcode, said Jobs. Of Apple's top 100 developers, more than half -- 56 percent -- are already using Xcode, and 25 percent are in the process of switching to Xcode. "Less than 20 percent are not on board yet. Now is a good time to get on board," said Jobs.

A new build of Xcode, version 2.1, is being released today. This new release enables developers to specify PowerPC or Intel architectures. "... and you're going to build what's called a universal binary. It contains all the bits for both architectures," said Jobs. "One binary, works on both PowerPC and Intel architecture. So you can ship one CD that supports both processors."

"This is nothing like Carbonizing"

Many developers reading this news may be thinking that they'll have to go through the same woes they had to in order to get their Mac OS 9 applications "Carbonized" to run on Mac OS X. Jobs assured the crowd that this isn't like that at all. To demonstrated, he brought on stage Theo Gray, co founder of Mathematica maker Wolfram Research.

Gray said that Mathematica is encumbered by "ancient code that hasn't been changed since the Reagan administration," but despite that, it only took about two hours to get Mathematica's Mac OS X code running on an Intel-bsaed Mac. "We're talking about twenty lines of source code out of millions, from a dead cold start. This is nothing like Carbonizing. It's prety good when the biggest problem from your port is to figure out what to do with the rest of your weekend."

Rosetta keeps old apps running

Jobs also discussed a new technology called Rosetta, that he described as "a dynamic binary translator." It runs existing PowerPC applications on the Intel platform, he said. Jobs described Rosetta as "lightweight," and said "it's nothing like Classic."

Jobs demonstrated Rosetta by running Microsoft Office applications, Quicken and Photoshop CS 2 -- all versions unmodified, unlike Mathematica -- on the new Intel-based hardware.

Apple's Marketing Woes? (1)

devphaeton (695736) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737958)

How will this affect Apple's marketing? For years, the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field(tm) has been solidly against anything Intel (or more generally, x86 related). My favourite is the:

1mhz Apple == 4mhz PEECEE

Now, truthfully, trying to boil performance of something so complex as that down to a simple equation is total b.s.... I know it, you know it, Tom Servo know it and Zorak know it.... However, will this move to Intel processors (if done) humble the zealots* for awhile?

I'll admit i've trolled against the Apple Zealots before, (and yeah i'm being a bit smug at the moment) but I'm curious to see how they deal with the way this turn of events makes all their previous claims somewhat awkward...

There will still be plenty of differences (the processor will be specialized i'm sure) but it just seems that as more and more of the Apple architecture starts becoming Just Like PEECEEs, i wonder how they'll continue to keep arguing that "Apple computers are made of superior hardware".

Thoughts?

*: For the record, i don't think we have any hardcore zealots here on /. like i describe, so i'm not talking bout j00.
Y'all know the type- and i'm not about to say that there aren't plenty of annoying windows/linux/bsd zealots either

IBM Screwjob (3, Interesting)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737961)

I think that IBM happily supplying the PPC-based Xenon chip for Xbox 360, while being unable to deliver 3.0 GHz chips for Apple, was the slap in the face that finally caused them to jump.

Now, the question is... what will the new platform be called? Certainly not PowerMac...

Wow. How's that for a well-kept secret? (2, Insightful)

bc90021 (43730) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737963)

They've been building everything on PowerPC and Intel at the same time for five years. Wow.

No moe "Power" mac? (1)

KH (28388) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737965)

I suppose the high end machine won't be called "Power" Mac any more. I wonder what the name will be. For that matter, no more "Power"books either? The name does predate PowerPC, though.

The future is interesting...

Well, how about that? (0, Redundant)

GoRK (10018) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737968)

This was one of those rumors that seemed too implausible to ever happen, but look at that -- it did!

Hopefully they do it right and produce a BIOS-less really sweet piece of hardware. The SGI Visual Workstation was an example of an X86 machine done right; so at least it can be done.

Will be interesting to see their PPC emulation layer -- that's goign to be a monumental challenge... Maybe Intel will taylor them an X86 with some more registers or something to make it easier.

Maybe an Intel chip will work in my 8600? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737971)

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.

Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

Weird choice, weird timing ... (1)

file-exists-p (681756) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737972)


Why Intel !?!?

1/ Intel chips are definitely not the best (AMD ? Cell ?!)
2/ The switch with the unavoidable compliance problems will piss off customers
3/ Not sharing the same CPU as PC user was a major sell argument.

Just when MS and Sony put a PPC in their consoles ?!

Weird.

--
Go Debian!

Dave Thorup, eat your hat! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737975)

Somebody send this guy [slashdot.org] some Worcestershire sauce. I hear it goes well with felt.

Maybe not so bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737976)

From what Steve has said so far, it doesn't sound like the transition will be that bad.

It seems interesting that as the consoles move to the PPC platform, Apple moves away from it.

From the Macworld site (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737977)

The Macworld online [macworld.com] site is hurting from all the hits. Here's what's there on the Intel news:

"The rumors are true: Intel will be inside

Jobs talked about the major transitions in the Mac's life -- starting from the Mac's Motorola 68000-series processor to PowerPC. "The PowerPC set Apple up fro the next decade. It was a good move," he said.

"The second transition was even better -- the transition from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X that we just did," he continued. "This was a brain transplant. And even though these operating systems (9 and x) vary only by one in name, they are very different, and this has set Apple up for the next 20 years."

As the Intel logo lowered on the stage screen, Jobs said, "We are going to make the transition from PowerPC to Intel processors, and we are going to do it for you now, and for our customers next year. Why? Because we want to be making the best computer for our customers looking forward."

"I stood up here two years ago and promised you 3.0 GHz. I think a lot of you would like a G5 in your PowerBook, and we haven't been able to deliver that to you," said Jobs. "But as we look ahead, and though we've got great products now, and great PowerPC products still to come, we can envision great products we want to build, and we can't envision how to build them with the current PowerPC roadmap," said Jobs.

Intel processors provide more performance per watt than PowerPC processors do, said Jobs. "When we look at future roadmaps, mid-2006 and beyond, we see PoweRPC gives us 15 units of perfomance per watt, but Intel's roadmap gives us 70. And so this tells us what we have to do," he explained.

Transition to Intel by 2007, and yes, Marklar exists

"Starting next year, we will introduce Macs with Intel processors," said Jobs. "This time next year, we plan to ship Macs with Intel processors. In two years, our plan is that the transition will be mostly complete, and will be complete by end of 2007."

Jobs then confirmed a long-held belief that Apple was working on an Intel-compatible version of Mac OS X that some have termed "Marklar."

Mac OS X has been "leading a secret double life" for the past five years, said Jobs. "So today for the first time, I can confirm the rumors that every release of Mac OS X has been compiled for PowerPC and Intel. This has been going on for the last five years."

Jobs demonstrated a version of Mac OS X running on a 3.6GHz Pentium 4-processor equipped system, running a build of Mac OS X v10.4.1. He showed Dashboard widgets, Spotlight, iCal, Apple's Mail, Safari and iPhoto all working on the Intel-based system.

Apple needs developers' help to complete the transition

"We are very far along on this, but we're not done," said Jobs. "Which is why we're going to put it in your hands very soon, so you can help us finish it."

Widget, scripts and Java applications should work in the new environment without any conversion, said Jobs. Cocoa-based applications will require "a few minor tweaks and a recompile." Carbon-based applications require "a few more tweaks," recompiling, and "they'll work," said Jobs. And projects built using Metrowerks' CodeWarrior need to be moved to Xcode.

The future of Mac OS X development is moving to Xcode, said Jobs. Of Apple's top 100 developers, more than half -- 56 percent -- are already using Xcode, and 25 percent are in the process of switching to Xcode. "Less than 20 percent are not on board yet. Now is a good time to get on board," said Jobs.

A new build of Xcode, version 2.1, is being released today. This new release enables developers to specify PowerPC or Intel architectures. "... and you're going to build what's called a universal binary. It contains all the bits for both architectures," said Jobs. "One binary, works on both PowerPC and Intel architecture. So you can ship one CD that supports both processors."

"This is nothing like Carbonizing"

Many developers reading this news may be thinking that they'll have to go through the same woes they had to in order to get their Mac OS 9 applications "Carbonized" to run on Mac OS X. Jobs assured the crowd that this isn't like that at all. To demonstrated, he brought on stage Theo Gray, co founder of Mathematica maker Wolfram Research.

Gray said that Mathematica is encumbered by "ancient code that hasn't been changed since the Reagan administration," but despite that, it only took about two hours to get Mathematica's Mac OS X code running on an Intel-bsaed Mac. "We're talking about twenty lines of source code out of millions, from a dead cold start. This is nothing like Carbonizing. It's prety good when the biggest problem from your port is to figure out what to do with the rest of your weekend."

Rosetta keeps old apps running

Jobs also discussed a new technology called Rosetta, that he described as "a dynamic binary translator." It runs existing PowerPC applications on the Intel platform, he said. Jobs described Rosetta as "lightweight," and said "it's nothing like Classic."

Jobs demonstrated Rosetta by running Microsoft Office applications, Quicken and Photoshop CS 2 -- all versions unmodified, unlike Mathematica -- on the new Intel-based hardware. "

Switching ends? (3, Interesting)

Ancient_Hacker (751168) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737987)

I wonder how they'll transparently handle all the endian issues? Every data file with binary integers in it will have to be converted. Arghhh!

Too bad (1)

Alizarin Erythrosin (457981) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737988)

I would have rather seen them switch to AMD processors. Their superior x86-64 and memory access (as compared to the P4) on the Athlon 64 and Opteron cores would suit OSX's thirst for memory bandwidth quite well.

But this is still big news. I hope that their laptops will get better, faster, and hopefully at least a little bit cheaper!

Re:Too bad (1)

reiggin (646111) | more than 8 years ago | (#12738031)

Not cheaper, I'm betting. According to CNBC, Apple actually paid less for the G5's from IBM than they'll pay for the x86 chips from Intel.

How many will postpone purchases now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737989)

I was about to purchase a new TiBook, but what's the point, if I'll have to buy new software & hardware in a year.

I also don't see developers giving away free updates to major software titles.

Sure put the smack down.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737993)

on the ever so knowledgeabe "this will never happen" people, eh?

There was never any reason this could never happen. It's not OS X on commodity x86 machines, it's using an Intel processor in a highly customized and integrated platform that Apple will still control.

It gives Apple a stable supply of CPU's for an architecture that's going to be around for a long time.

so it is the intel P4! a step backwards IMO (1)

tota (139982) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737995)

"Developer Kit, which includes 3.6GHz Pentium 4. OS X 10.4.1 for Intel"

AMD has the lead on the 64bit x86 line,
why go with the p4? (at least it is not itanic!)

its a sad day (1)

Loconut1389 (455297) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737997)

apple has lost one of three things I thought that made them special- risc processor, and still remaining are design and the OS.. But I remember there being oodles of video guys who bought macs because of the cpu and its multimedia performance.

Why is it all of the good cpus die in the face of the cheap intel stuff? (Read MIPS, Ultra Sparc- not dead but almost, Alpha, etc) I understand that the price drives the market, but people seemed to be willing to pay for the apple cpu's performance.

It's sad to see another great cpu go down the toilet.

In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12737998)

In other news, 3D Realms announced earlier today that their long-awaited product "Duke Nukem Forever" would be released in 2007 for Mac OS X "Leopard" - but only on an Intel-made processor.

I'm not switching. (1)

Seth Finklestein (582901) | more than 8 years ago | (#12737999)

The following are reasons why I'm going to continue using Mac OS X and buying Apple hardware.
  1. Exceptional hardware quality. Apple machines never fail on me. My child's Dell has required repair eight times.
  2. Exceptional support. Apple supports both hardware and software for three years.
  3. Exceptional community. There are fewer programs for Mac OS X, but those that do exist are gold. Mac users simply demand more.
  4. Exceptional security. Apple products have never been hacked and any so-called "vulnerabilities" are patched before they reach epidemic proportions.
In conclusion, my next computer will be an Intel Macintosh.

So let me get this straight... (1)

wickedj (652189) | more than 8 years ago | (#12738001)

Apple is moving to Intel which has traditionally been Microsoft's domain for desktop CPUs. Microsoft is changing their XBox from Intel to IBM PowerPC. What the heck is going on? Cats and dogs, living together! Mass hysteria!

Please do not... (3, Funny)

SeanTobin (138474) | more than 8 years ago | (#12738002)

This page will refresh automatically every two minutes.
PLEASE DO NOT OVERLOAD OUR SERVERS.
D'oh! Sorry about that one.

Does this mean... (1)

HungWeiLo (250320) | more than 8 years ago | (#12738003)

#ifdef _INTEL_

SwapBytes(PROG_START_ADDR, PROG_END_ADDR)

#endif

I for one welcome our vertically-challenged American-Indian overlords.

I'm going to write a business plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12738005)

BizPlan: Rewrite Altivec code for SSE...

Best thing for us developers is not lower prices for machines, it's processor parity with rest of industry and the Intel compiler!!

x86 OS Competitor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12738006)

Is that the next step? Is this the end of MS Windows?

You know what this means, Power PC Apple Users? (0, Troll)

melted (227442) | more than 8 years ago | (#12738008)

This means NO MORE NEW SOFTWARE for you. No Mac OS X, no iLife, no Final Cut Express, no Photoshop. You will _maybe_ get another version or so and after that you're S.O.L.

This sucks so hard, it's unbelievable. Expect a flood of cheap Macs on ebay in the coming weeks.

Apple biggest challenge (2, Insightful)

Maxwell42 (594898) | more than 8 years ago | (#12738010)

I think this is simply the biggest challenge Apple is ever going to take:
- From a marketing point of view
- In engineering (hardware and software)
- In communication with its partner (it seems it's already a success as Wolfram Research, Adobe and Microsoft are in the wagon)

Wow...

So don't buy a new Apple now (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 8 years ago | (#12738014)

Is it just me, or has Apple killed sales for the next year, until the first x86 machine comes out?

Even with fat binary support, not everyone is going to be so nice as to build/test/distro cross architecture binaries, never mind once the 2007 "threshold" is released and apple considers the transition complete.

Link Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12738015)

Posted anonymously for great victory.

# Intel is passionate about their products, according to Steve Jobs. Intel CEO Paul Otellini invited on stage to talk about Apple's transition.
# Launch of Microsoft Office 2004 was best product launch for Mac OS X. New version of Messenger due for Macs in the next few months. Additionally, a new update for Exchange users. MacBU commits to delivering a "Universal Binary" for Microsoft Office. Jobs also invites Bruce Chizen of Adobe on stage to talk about Intel-based Mac transition. Adobe says it is committed bringing its applications to Intel-based Macs. [10:52 am]

# Apple will offer a Developer Kit, which includes 3.6GHz Pentium 4. OS X 10.4.1 for Intel (preview release). Order today; available in two weeks. [10:48 am]

# Rosetta is a dymanic binary translator. Runs PowerPC code on Intel-baesd Macs. Transparent to users. Pretty fast. Jobs demos Rosetta used to run PowerPC macs on Intel-based Macs. Jobs shows Microsoft Excel/Word running on Intel-based Mac (without any porting and/or recompiling). Jobs also shows Photoshop CS2 with all plugins that are translated and run on Intel-based Mac without significant speed decrease. [10:46 am]

# Jobs introduces Wolfram's CEO, who said they ported Mathematica 5 to Intel-based Macs in 2 hours. Working version in 2 hours flat. Only about 20 lines of code changed. [10:40 am]

# Widget/Scripts/Java --> Just work. Cocoa --Xcode (tweaks, recompile) --> A few days. Carbon - Xcode (twek, recompile) --> A few weeks. Carbon Apps --Metroweks -- Jobs says to transfer to Xcode. Over half of 100 developers using Xcode. Nex Xcode 2.1 delivered today. News Xcode generates a single "universal binary" that supports both processors. Available to everybody at registration desk following the keynote. [10:37 am]

# Mac OS X has been leading secret double life. Every Mac project build for Intel and PowerPC and Intel. Every release of Mac OS X has been built for both Intel and PowerPC-based Macs. For the last 5 years. Mac OS X is cross-platform by design. Apple's demo is on an Intel-based system. Jobs shows all Mac OS X Tiger features are already compatible with Intel-based processors. Not done yet. Will put into the developer hands to help Apple finish it. [10:32 am]

# Two major transitions for Mac: 68K to PowerPC. Next Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X. Now time for third transition. Transition to Intel-based Macs. Developers Now. Next year for users. "Because we want to make the best computers for our customers." No G5 PowerBook yet. Future products can't be build on IBM of PowerPC. Intel has performance and better performance per watt. Intel delivers much better performance per watt. Starting next year the first Macs with Intel processors. Shipping by next WWDC. Mostly complete by 2007 WWDC. Complete by the end of 2007. Two-year transition. [10:28 am]

# Panther 49%..Tiger 16%..Jaguar 25%....early 5%...Expecting Tiger to grow 50% of base by same time next year. Apple has released 5 major versions of OS in last 5 years, while Microsoft has released one (XP). Leopard, next major relase of Mac OS X, due at the end of 2006, alongside Longhorn release. [10:26 am]

# Apple this week says it will deliver the 2,000,000 copy of Mac OS X Tiger. In under 6 weeks since its released. 400 dashboard widgets available since it is released. Jobs demos a few Dashboard widgets. [10:21 am]

# Jobs touts Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger. One billion copies of QuickTime shipped. QuickTime 7 preview available for Windows today. Jobs quotes various glowing media reviews of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, highlighting Spotlight. [10:18 am]

# Mac doing very well. PC growth rate is around 10% today . 9 months ago Mac growth rate took off. [10:16 am]

# Apple will build in Podcasting support into iTunes. Easy/quick listing of Podcasts right into iTunes. Subscribe podcasts, download old podcasts. Jobs demos Adam Curry podcast. Artwork in iTunes window changes as you scrub podcasts. Jobs said that new iTunes would take podcasting mainstream. [10:16 am]

# End of last quarter 16 million iPods sold. 76% marketshare of all MP3 players. 430M sonds sold and downloaded. 82 percent iTunes marketshare in the month of May. Podcasting is exploding. "TiVo for Radio." "Wayne's World for radio." Hottest thing going for Radio. Over 8,000 podcasts right now and growing very fast. [10:12 am]

# Apple shows retail video. 109 stores. 1 million visitors per week. Retail/Online stores have sold half a billion in products. "Best Buying Experience in the World" [10:07 am]

# 3800 attendees. largest in last decade. 45 countries including China. 110 lab sessions. 400+ entries for Appple Design Awards. Over half-a-million ADC members. 109 stores. 1 million visitors per week. Retail/Online stores have sold half a billion in products. [10:07 am]

# 9:55 am PT. Live Keynote coverage begins soon.

# 9:20 am PT. Testing Service.

# Event begins at 10 am PT. Please check back soon.

How did Appple keep this a secret? (1)

gmajor (514414) | more than 8 years ago | (#12738019)

Was there any indication that Apple had a development team working on OS X for Intel? Frankly, I'm surprised that Apple could keep it a secret for so long.

Today will make history (1)

acidblood (247709) | more than 8 years ago | (#12738024)

This is almost unbelievable. Yesterday I was still arguing with a friend that this was impossible, the world would end before Apple switched to Intel.

Although, I like the news. I've been an Intel zealot for the past few years, but got tired of Linux (hadn't used Windows either for a while) so I decided to test new waters with the Mac. It's great that I can now have my favorite processor with my new favorite OS (:

hell just froze over (1)

PureCreditor (300490) | more than 8 years ago | (#12738029)

XBox 360 using IBM PowerPC, Apple MacOS X using Intel x86, California having a Republican governor.........

Why buy a mac then? (2, Insightful)

dudle (93939) | more than 8 years ago | (#12738033)

If it runs the same processor as my $300 Dell, why should I go spend all the money and get a Mac? Just for the OS? I'm wondering.

Not necessarily, pudge (1)

gsfprez (27403) | more than 8 years ago | (#12738034)

Rosetta, apparently, will allow low-end software to run thru a JIT converter that apparently has enough oomph to handle Phtotoshop, and other "1% power users needs." ;-) (sorry, inside jab at pudge, God bless him.)

plus, those power apps like the Apple Production Suite for the 1% power users have been built with Xcode - so i'm sure that Apple will eat their own dog-food on that one.

Mathematica is already done - it took 2 hours to make the move (according to Wolfram) - so i wonder how long it will actually take for the big apps to fall along side.

honestly - i was ready to be a fan of IBM - but they have lagged, and i'm sick of slow-ass PowerBooks

i (and i'm sure, many others) want a field-portable havey duty workstation.. i get that with a Intel-based PowerBook.

Now we shall being... (1)

skomes (868255) | more than 8 years ago | (#12738040)

Let the piracy of MAC OS X officially...BEGIN!!! Oh, and let all emulation projects such as pearpc and qemu cease to exist...sadly.

Awesome... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12738046)

Not because I am an apple customer, just because I think this is a great move by a great company which wants to stay great.

Sure it makes some people unhappy, but if IBM can't meet apples supply needs, why tie themselves down?
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