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Tokyo's Geek Ghetto

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the places-you-must-see dept.

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anaesthetica writes "The Washington Post is running a story on Tokyo's "Geek Ghetto" which has arisen in the city's electronics retail district, "Electric Town." From the article: "We have been discriminated against for being different, but now we have come together and turned this neighborhood into a place of our own.... In Akihabara, we don't need to be ashamed of who we are and what we like.... We can feel comfortable because here, we outnumber everyone else." There are concerns, however, that the total immersion in escapist culture may be causing social problems, including a growing number of shut-ins." I've gone to Tokyo 3x and visited Akihabara all three times. Highly recommended for anime fans and techies.

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488 comments

Geek persecution (2, Interesting)

IO ERROR (128968) | more than 9 years ago | (#12748933)

The persecuted [slashdot.org] generally manage to find each other. When they do, it's amazing what they can do. Even more so when they are otaku [urbandictionary.com] , which they appear to be calling themselves now. And if you've never felt persecuted at least once [slashdot.org] in your life, you are no geek.

Re:Geek persecution (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12748985)

You wouldn't get persecuted if you at least tried having a life.

Wake the fucking up! There's much, much more to a real life than gadgets. Like having fun with people!

Troll food (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749198)

Oops. Better to say that people don't get persecuted unless they interact with others.

Re:Geek persecution (3, Insightful)

Carthag (643047) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749096)

I don't get it. Are you saying persecution is a plus? Or that being a geek is bad? Or something else entirely?

I've never been persecuted. I might be a geek, but I am also so many other things. Labels are stupid.

Re:Geek persecution (1, Offtopic)

IO ERROR (128968) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749129)

I'm saying that people tend to make the best of a bad situation. Geeks, generally, have the power to make their own situations a little better than one might otherwise expect, though.

Re:Geek persecution (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749292)

These are the people that would pay through the nose for armoured car to truck their cash around, but would send huge amount of customer information through UPS.

Re:Geek persecution (1)

peculiarmethod (301094) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749202)

Don't persecute him for labeling things.

It makes it easier for him to process and communicate ideas.

Re:Geek persecution (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749361)

As soon as it starts costing them money not to. That is the *only* way they will change.

-John

Lost? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749389)


Isn't this the second time (or more, most likely) that a set of shipped customer has been "lost?"

It's quite possible that the scum of the universe that feeds on harvested identities has gotten sophisticated enough that they are now able to identify such in-transit packages and have them go missing.

Bottom line -- companies should not be shipping this type of information via common carriers.

Re:Geek persecution (1, Funny)

B5_geek (638928) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749170)

I wish you hadn't of said that phrase...

"....Now the time has come for geek persecution to end...."
"Nerd!"
"Nerd!"
"Nerd!"

Ahh Revenge of the Nerds. Can a quote be anymore pathetic? =)

Sensitive Data via UPS? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749305)

I used to work for UPS customer service. I'd say at least .1% of all packages either get damaged or lost during shipping. Shipping packages of low value is no big deal, your losses over time will be minimal. Shipping packages of high value, however, will result in considerably larger losses over time. DO NOT SHIP YOUR HIGH VALUE GOODS VIA UPS/FEDEX/DHL/ETC. I cannot stress that enough. Hire a private courier. Hire someone in your company. Drive it yourself. Find someone with better than a 99.9% success rate if your package is worth millions.

It's important to note... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749231)

Otaku differ from American geeks in having no positive connotations at all. In Japan, academic achievement is highly prized, and the academic achievers are socially rewarded.

Otaku are the hard-cores geeks, the comic book guys. Unpleasant, anti-social, afflicted with atopic dermatitis. Misfits.

In America, geeks achieve because everybody who's popular is too busy with recreation to get anything done. It's not that American geeks are smarter than normal people. They just have more free time.

Conversely, a few people who actually are smarter don't have time to chase popularity. They're tiny minority, though, and generally don't complain much about the lack. Too busy.

Re:Geek persecution (4, Insightful)

CFTM (513264) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749248)

Seeing as I am a recovering geek/computer nerd shut-in, I can empathize with some of the potential problems brought up by the article. It's taken me five years to become confident once again in social situations because of the amount of time I wasted sitting in front of a computer screen playing games. This is no one's fault but my own and it wasn't until I took responibility for my life that things started to change but I do honestly wish my parents had kicked me out of the house in high school and forced me to go out and be social; it would have made college life a lot easier. I don't think societies should encourage this sort of behavior because it is ultimately destructive; these people indulge in their hobbies without developing entirely as human beings. This is NOT a good thing in my mind...oh well just my two cents :)

Re:Geek persecution (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749314)

UPS: What can BROWN lose for you?

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Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749406)

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Re:Geek persecution (0, Flamebait)

Otter (3800) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749285)

The persecuted generally manage to find each other. When they do, it's amazing what they can do.

They're paying women to dress up as anime characters and serve them tea. How amazed am I supposed to be?

Katz? Is that you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749339)

God, I never thought I'd be able to say this again:

STFU, Katz.

First... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12748940)

...Post!

Re:First... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749005)

Negative.

Chick dig me.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749051)

Chicks dig me, because I rarely wear underwear and when I do it's usually something unusual.

Wow (-1, Troll)

dotgod (567913) | more than 9 years ago | (#12748949)

I didn't know there was such thing as non-geek Japanese.

Re:Wow (2, Informative)

minority (23819) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749092)

is it a joke? don't be too generalized.
if you go to Shinjuku or Shibuya in Tokyo, you would find that most people in the street are not geek!
people in Akihabara (aka: Akiba) are so different to other district.

Re:Wow (0)

dotgod (567913) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749162)

Of course it's a joke! I'm not that ignorant.

Re:Wow (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749291)

There is no reason why this data needs to be shipped together. Citigroup should keep social security numbers serparate from names, separate from account history, separate from address, etc. All this can be assembled when needed and it would make it much harder to steal useful data or for a criminal to make use of any lost tapes.

Re:Wow (0, Offtopic)

Cobra_666 (777517) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749123)

What are you doing on Slashdot then ?

Ghetto (-1, Offtopic)

allometry (840925) | more than 9 years ago | (#12748950)

Word

Re:Ghetto (0)

XCDBFPL (846367) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749141)

"Tango" would be more appropiate.

Lucky bastards (5, Funny)

Average_Joe_Sixpack (534373) | more than 9 years ago | (#12748962)

In the states, we geeks are confined to our parents' basements

Re:Lucky bastards (2, Funny)

TimeForGuinness (701731) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749037)

You have a basement?!?! Lucky!

I just live in the lab!

Re:Lucky bastards (1)

stagl (569675) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749297)

What's interesting is that the word for geek or nerd in Japanese is "otaku" which is a spin off of the word "taku" which means "home". so in other words, otaku are those who stay at home all the time geekin' out; basement or not!

Why not in the US (1, Interesting)

Tungbo (183321) | more than 9 years ago | (#12748970)

Where is a comparable enclave in the US?
Geek universities don't count! (Cal, MIT, etc.)

Re:Why not in the US (1)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749186)

Where is a comparable enclave in the US?
Silicon Valley. The male:female ratio there sucks (if you're a guy) and the girls are complaining that they can't get a decent date cos the guys are all social zeros. I still work there, but for living purposes I moved to San Francisco a long time ago.

Re:Why not in the US (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749306)

When their customers actually start caring and making them realize how much of a mistake losing our data is? This will affect nearly nothing (because most people won't hear about it and many who do won't care), and business will go on as usual. If the customers actually took a stand, maybe we'd see some improvement.

Re:Why not in the US (1)

CallFinalClass (801589) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749218)

There is simply no equivalent in the US. Akihabara is awesome. I was there about 10 years ago, looking to get back in a year or so. Oh, and don't confuse the _district_ with what people are talking about here. It took me a few minutes to understand I needed to go "in there," it's "inside." That is to say, there are a bunch of corporate-type stores in the district, but Akihabara is the warrens nest of vendors in the sub-basement level.

Gives new meaning to their slogan (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749307)

What can Brown do for You?

Re:Why not in the US (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749369)

Just today, I got a letter from an affiliate of Sears Credit (which was acquired by citi) who insured my line of credit. But I close all my accounts with them ages ago (because I try my best to avoid doing business with citi because of their predatory marketing tactics). So today, I called them up and asked them why my info was even still in their system. They acknowledged that the letter was a system glitch and that it was a duplicate of a letter they mailed me ages ago when I closed my account (which is plausible), and then explained that they are *required* by Federal Law (I think he quoted the Fair Credit and Reporting Act) to keep all of my personal info, including my SSN on record for seven years.

There is definitely something wrong with this system! I'm all for doing without consumer credit, but it's simply not feasible.

Perhaps we need a public-key style scheme where we generate a unique private key that we use to encrypt things like credit card applications, and then the public key is on file with the government and credit card companies and the like. That way only we have access to important private information, but the credit reporting agencies and the government can still keep track of us the way they do currently.

This would beat the hell out of biometrics and nonsense like that (you can't bloody send someone a retina scan over the internet or through the mail!), and it would do something to improve our privacy by preventing people from faking your identity.


Re:Why not in the US (2, Funny)

b3s (807077) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749395)

It's called a Star Trek convention in the U.S.

more details... (4, Informative)

professorhojo (686761) | more than 9 years ago | (#12748973)

i present for your enjoyment, the Akihabara [akiba.or.jp] home page, plus an intriguing article entitled: Akihabara becomes geek sex paradise [japantoday.com] . :-)))

Re:more details... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749274)

From the second article in the previous comment: "Psychologists say these "otaku" or geeks are regressive, have poor social ability, and have never fully matured as adults. "Therefore, they are not good at communicating with others, cannot date real human beings, and instead adore an imaginary character," said one."

That's only in the extreme cases. While I've never been to Japan, I've seen some documentaries from fan conventions over there, and while they can have more devout folowers than found at US conventions, there are plenty of "otaku" who are social, just obsessed about anime/ mecha/ manga. True, some stumble in the presence of girls they find attractive, but there are some female otaku, which can lead to otaku relationships (I'll stop there).

The blanket statement that Otaku are immature people is mighty strong, but I think I'm talking to those who know this already.

Support legislation for criminalization of this (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749392)

If we create legistlation that makes losing customer's personal information a criminal offense, then maybe these giant megalomerates will stop collecting (and abusing) it.

Very .. VERY expensive... (4, Informative)

guyfromindia (812078) | more than 9 years ago | (#12748983)

I recently visited Tokyo, went to Akihabara.. and subsequently visited Singapore.
I noticed that everything in Akihabara is very expensive. Buying the same stuff in Singapore is a LOT (I mean 30 - 40%) cheaper...
But, one thing I agree.. you can get some really cool stuff in Akihabara...that you cannot find in Singapore, but for regular buys, I would avoid Akihabara.
My 2c

Re:Very .. VERY expensive... (1)

Capt'n Hector (650760) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749107)

That'll be 3c in Akihabara.

Re:Very .. VERY expensive... (1)

Brobock (226116) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749116)

Not quite true. There are so many video game stores for example that if one place is selling it for $50 equivalence. You can go down 3 stores and find that game for $40. Since many of the stores are of the same variety, they must have competition to stay in business. You can find cheap things and great deals. You just need patients and check out more than just a couple of stores. Also I used to buy Super Famicom games in the bargain bin for $1.00 ~ $5.00 for a game that just came out here. Such as Super Metroid which was a bilingual cart.

Were the tapes encrypted? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749371)

I guess not, otherwise this would be a nonissue. It is unbelievable that in this day and age a company the size of Citigroup would ship unencrypted tapes. Geez, it is trivial to do and a no-brainer. Really, whoever is in charge of IT security policy there is an idiot and should be fired immediately and any security credentials (like CISSP) stripped so he/she can't pull another fast one on some other company. This is the height of absurdity and irresponsibility.

One stop shopping (was:Very .. VERY expensive...) (1)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749250)

And I concurr. Akihabara is one place where you are expected to haggle. Failure to do so will leave you pretty screwed. That aside, the place is good for people with little or no time to spare, to find (almost) everything a geek would want.

Re:One stop shopping (was:Very .. VERY expensive.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749404)

You are so full of crap you damn UPS apologist.

> .1% of all packages either get damaged or lost during shipping

You obviously have zero experience in the shipping field despite your claim to have worked for UPS. It isn't uncommon at times to have 100 times that percentage of packages lost or damanged by us. We are a union shop so the lazy thugs we have can get away with anything. For example at the terminal where I work, a local jewelry store went out of business and shipped-out about four dozen nice watches to a broker. Now almost every employee at this terminal has a nice brand-new watch. Another example, Kel-Tec CNC released a new pistol a couple of years ago. One of the drivers here picked-up the first few batches of pistols from them. Not a one of them made it to the FFL's who ordered them. The BATF couldn't even get UPS to take action against the union.

In both cases UPS couldn't fire a single person. Our union allows us to damage or steal as much as we want to. Your 0.1% number is complete crap. If you're shipping something worthless, broken, or bulky that's not worth the time for a union member to steal, you might only have that small of a loss. Otherwise, my coworkers can and will steal. And good luck colleting from UPS. We pay-out on less than 2% of the packages that are damaged and on less than 5% of the packages lost.

Skinner

Re:Very .. VERY expensive... (1)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749260)

Well I was able to pick up a USB Vacuum and MP3 alarm clock pretty check in Akihabara..

Re:Very .. VERY expensive... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749405)

How can you make an accident illegal ?

You can't, but you can make the things that tend to lead to accidents illegal. You'll notice there's no law against getting into a car crash, but there are lots of laws about driving too fast, running red lights, driving drunk, unsafe lane changes, etc etcet c.

Same idea here. If I can be fined for driving 100mph because it might cause an accident, Citibank should be able to be fined for sending unencrypted data via UPS because it might cause an accident.

Which one is CmdrTaco recommending? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12748988)

Tokyo xxx or Akihabara?

Would be fun as eunuch/nullo (-1, Offtopic)

Eunuch (844280) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749006)

The great thing about being a eunuch is enjoying things like a kid. I don't get as distracted by the more lascivious aspects of it. I wonder if some of the people in this district have done this life-changing and wonderful operation.

Tokyo (3, Funny)

bioglaze (767105) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749018)

Tokyo has been destroyed so many times in anime that it makes me wonder if akihabara should relocate to some other city.

Re:Tokyo (1)

eviloverlordx (99809) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749112)

Tokyo has been destroyed so many times in anime that it makes me wonder if akihabara should relocate to some other city.

But then it always rises in 20 years to become some techno-paradise with mecha battling each other in the streets to start the whole cycle again. Clearly Akihabara is the driving force behind this.

Re:Tokyo (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749161)

With monsters so hideous (because of their insulting irrealism) as Godzilla,Megaguirus or the power Zords appearing in TV, I wonder the same thing.

Re:Tokyo (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749313)

As this is just another in a long string of weekly "your vital data stolen" stories, I'm starting to wonder: have big companies always been this fucking careless, and it's only due to SOX et al. that we're learning about it now? I'm not even sure which I'd prefer.

Will not be a problem... (5, Funny)

morten poulsen (220629) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749034)

This gettho will die out in... like... one generation ;)

Re:Will not be a problem... (1)

aapold (753705) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749106)

Ah, but it could be a recessive gene...

Re:Will not be a problem... (4, Insightful)

timster (32400) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749164)

No... there might not be that many of them, but in general, geek girls are only interested in geek guys.

So: hello, speciation.

Re:Will not be a problem... (4, Funny)

EnronHaliburton2004 (815366) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749220)

This is just a guess, but I'm pretty sure that cartoon women, even the ones with superpowers, cannot reproduce.

Re:Will not be a problem... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749299)

Customer: Hi sir, I have my paper statement here which claims I had $1,000,234.01 in my account a month ago. Please bring my account back.

Employee: Ummm, let me verify that with my datab... I mean.... let me get my manager.

Customer: No problem. Take your time. Would you like some free coffee. It's on me.

Re:Will not be a problem... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749293)

The only way to solve this is to attach a cost to personal data. As soon as you do this, companies will instead of trying to collect as much data as they can, treat it (rightly) as something they should collect as little as possible. Lost data should have a cost to it which sends shudders down the spine of Chief Financial Officers.

I expect this will take a big class action lawsuit, but if I were a company of any size which handled confidential client data, I would be scrambling for a way to reduce my liability.

i hope everyone that is a citibank customer (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749381)

will be taking their business elsewhere

i am moving from BofA after their mishap.

Somewhere smaller, hopefully more secure.

Hit them where it hurts!!!!

Re:Will not be a problem... (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749193)

This gettho will die out in... like... one generation ;)

Not if they clone themselves and create fruit-named female androids to replace women ^_^

remember folks (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749304)

just because you didnt hear about things like this in the past doesnt mean they didnt happen.

Re:Will not be a problem... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749380)

Regardless of who they used, why didn't they have some sort of encryption on the data? I'm not blaming UPS, I'm blaming Citibank...

Highly recommended (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749042)


for all software and media pirates

why pay full price when you can get it on a CD with box and packaging for 0.00001 % of the retail
bulk discounts if you talk cash
no downloading or surfing malicious sites for cracks

highly recommended indeed !

props WP for letting the public know they can get more for less, why fight USA with bombs and weapons when you can just rob them blind, funny

Re:Highly recommended (1)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749403)

While you're trolling... it's pretty damn open over there. Here is a shot I got from a set of tables on a busy street. The little .jp guy din't like the big white guy and asked if i was police. :)

a target="_blank" href="http://www.renegadegenerals.com/dot/jday2_01 79.JPG

shut-ins (5, Funny)

longdead (860403) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749047)

since when do shut-ins cause social problems? other than those rare occasions when they do come out and have forgotten to bathe? Now they are gonna need shut-ins support groups to help them deal with being social problems. I wonder if they would have to meet at large dressing rooms where they could each have their own small closed room.

Who pays for shut-ins? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749366)

Shut-ins are a social problem because if you live in your room you are not working. If you are not working, someone else is paying for your food, clothing and shelter.

What happens when whoever is paying for you to mantain your lifestyle stops doing so? Hikikomori can isolate themselves for years, and when they emerge from their isolation, they are very poorly equiped to handle reality. This poses all sorts of problems for them because they don't know how to support themselves. If they can't get a job or a home, that is society's problem because society has an intrest in reducing the number of homeless people.

The obvious... (0, Redundant)

OrinNYC (889825) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749071)

total immersion in escapist culture may be causing social problems Duh.

akihabara (4, Interesting)

notsoanonymouscoward (102492) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749108)

My favorite memory of strolling through akihabara was going through a maze of electronics vendor stalls and coming across a guy selling nothing but big red buttons. If you stick to the normal shops, its pretty much many many people selling the exact same stuff. If you explore a little, you'll start finding the more offbeat tinkerer type stuff.

The button guy (5, Interesting)

ag0ny (59629) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749311)

My favorite memory of strolling through akihabara was going through a maze of electronics vendor stalls and coming across a guy selling nothing but big red buttons.

Most likely that's one of the small electronic shops under the station. That's one of the most Blade Runner-esque spots I've ever seen. Many shops there are a 1x1 meter square with a hole on the midle barely wide enough for the guy to stand on it, with all kind of components surrounding the guy.

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Mankind advances faster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749113)

...when people are free to do things the majority of people consider wacky. I'd expect more cool things to come out of Akihabara than Normal, Ohio.

I'd visit but (3, Funny)

WebHostingGuy (825421) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749119)

I don't want to leave my house.

...including a growing number of shut-ins

Re:I'd visit but (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749388)

Which company do you hold responsible here? Citigroup Financial? Or UPS? While UPS is guilty of losing the package in transit, perhaps CF should have used a more secure transport method. I dunno, what is more secure than UPS, Fed Ex, DHL, etc...? Armored car driving to and fro between cities?

So what is your solution? (Hint: YMFL, (Yet More Federal Legislation), will not prevent accidental loss of freight packages).

BTW - I write this as someone who has a mortgage with Citigroup so my data could be at risk here. However, my knee is not jerking violently, (yet).

Visited there in 1993 (4, Interesting)

alan_dershowitz (586542) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749133)

I visited Tokyo and Akihabara in 1993. I have to say that it was one of the coolest places I have ever seen. Shops oozing with electronics and games. I went for two reasons: Laserdiscs and Super Famicom games. Games were often marked down to 15-40% of retail a few months after release. I was used to a trickle of Anime in the USA on Laserdisc, but in Akihabara, there were stores that only carried anime on laserdisc, isles full. It was pretty amazing.

I have a friend in Japan right now, but he won't go there because he says it's too nerdy. I don't know if it got worse in 12 years, or I got better.

*blinks* (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749301)

You have to be kidding me. UPS? To transfer secure information? Where I work, we receive a backup tape from a production system that we load that contains sensitive data. That tape is sent back to my group via Iron Mountain (and we send the old tape back the same way). And this isn't even stuff as high profile as like what's Citigroup apparently lost. When services exist like this to facilitate occasional, VERY important shipments, there's just no excuse using UPS or Fedex. I fear for the free market if this is "business as usual" for it.

Re:Visited there in 1993 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749382)

Having myself been lectured (and inappropriately, by the way) by Citibank employees about how it's my own fault my credit card interest rates went up (it wasn't, by the way), I hope at minimum that someone sits down the entire senior staff of this company and lectures them like they were children for many hours, making them feel as embarrassed and disrespected as they routinely do to their customers.

And then, just to make the point, they should have to pay not just whatever court-assessed penalties, but that amount plus 24.99% retroactively applied to the entire amount backdated from the time they finally pay all the way back to the time of the incident, just like they're always raising people's interest rates to unreasonable amounts like that even retroactively on purchases already made, and to ensure that they pay in a timely way.

And it goes without saying that reparations should be paid personally by the people who run the company, not passed along to customers.

Way overpriced (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749139)

Hundreds of USD more for high-end electronics than you can get online and if you buy something in Japan your warranty is VOID in the US.

Anime != geek!!! (5, Insightful)

EnronHaliburton2004 (815366) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749166)

So since when did Anime and comics become synonymous with the word 'geek'? Aren't we a little more diverse then the article states?

I play with Linux, computers and build things, but I have never really liked Anime, and I got over my comics phase when I was a teenager. In my spare time I sometimes play with the computers, but I also enjoy GETTING AWAY from the computer and play my son, go bicyling, play in the garden, etc.

Re:Anime != geek!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749318)

I'm sure the data's still there. Maybe someone else has access to it, but that doesn't affect the original.

I never really understood why they called it identity theft. Much like I can't understand why they call it "stealing" music. Nothing's actually gone -- it's really more of an identity infringement./p

Nah, anime=pedophile. (1)

Eunuch (844280) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749326)

Geeks or nerds are singularity seekers. Simple enough.

Alert! Alert!! (4, Funny)

QMO (836285) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749337)

We have an intruder on /.
Fake geek sighted.

He exercises, reproduces, touches non-processed plant material, shows signs of growing up.
He even LEAVES HIS COMPUTER ALONE! (Poor thing. Probably crashes in lonliness.)

Quick, somone hijack the space laser and fill his house with popcorn before he infects us.

Re:Anime != geek!!! (1)

CFTM (513264) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749349)

Ah yes, a balanced person...don't come across many of you here on slashdot...begone evilnik before you corrupt us all!

In the Geek Ghetto Part I (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749168)

It was pitch-black in the roach-infested "costume cafe". All was quiet, except for the dripping of a cold water tap somewhere in the back. Then, suddenly, a crashing sound broke the silence, as a stone smashed through the window.

Two floors above, an alarm went off. Taco opened his eyes. Then, realising what was going on, he jumped out of the bed, yelling: "Hey, Roland, wake up and go get the gun! We're being robbed!"

Thirty seconds later, they tumbled down the stairs. A door went open and a light was turned on. Then Roland clicked the safety back on and stuffed the gun into the pocket of his silk night gown.

"What ze fuck," he said. "Zere's noone here."

But Taco was already unwrapping the large sheet of paper around the brick lying on the floor. He almost tore it open, then froze and dropped the brick on his foot.

Roland rushed to him and grabbed the paper, while Taco was screaming with pain and anger. His face slowly turned red and then blue as he read: "These were not noodles."

I suppose... (0, Flamebait)

goldspider (445116) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749188)

...clustering around your "own kind" is easier than rounding yourself out by interacting with a diverse blend of people, but that would require open-ness to the possibility that you are not the center of the universe.

This isn't about geek "persecution", it's about geek arrogance.

is it hot in here? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749296)

seems the brown has hit the fan

Where to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749234)

Where to go in Tokyo in order to bang beautiful young girls?

Japan's Geek Ghetto... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749238)

...looks to have a high content of schizoid and/or avoidant "disorders".

The comment that "we outnumber" others is right on the mark - these "disorders" are considered such because of the societal "norm" experienced by the researchers. It's only a disorder because it falls outside of "normal". Google "Oppressed Group: Schizoid A Personality Not a Disorder" for more insight.

Anyone ever been to a *IT? (3, Insightful)

ShyGuy91284 (701108) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749279)

I got to a * Institute of Technology, and it sounds about like this, other then the fact that we lack stores. Anime obsessed people, game obsessed people, social misfits, a good number of shut ins.... Yeah.... Sounds familiar.

Re:Anyone ever been to a *IT? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749329)

A week hasn't gone by this year that some major data warehouse hasn't been "broken into". When are these people going to start taking our privacy and their security a little more seriously...

YT geeks will still stand out (4, Interesting)

0111 1110 (518466) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749322)

Japanese culture is much less anti-intellectual and anti-geek than North American/UK/Australian culture. So it is not just akihabara that is geek friendly. And girls might at least glance in your general direction even if you are invisible elsewhere. Not that they like geeks or anything. But I think they have a somewhat higher geek tolerance level. A great reason to learn Japanese!

However, if you are non-Asian you will still be regarded as a bit of a monkey on display at the zoo. People may avoid sitting next to you on trains unless it is totally packed and you may be followed around while in some small shops with suspicious owners, as if waiting for you to pocket a few items and then make a run for it. So there is a bit of racism over there, but they are generally a nice group of folks.

Re:YT geeks will still stand out (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749400)

From TFA:
"We deeply regret this incident, which occurred in spite of the enhanced security procedures we require of our couriers," Kevin Kessinger, executive vice president of Citigroup (Research), said in a statement. "Beginning in July, this data will be sent electronically in encrypted form," said Kessinger, who heads the company's consumer finance business in North America.
The above quote implies that currently it is not in encrypted form.

Didn't I read about this... (1)

wiskinator (864939) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749330)

... in a William Gibson novel? I just can't wait 'till I can head over to Chiba city for some new internal organs to replace those that have been destroyed by years of abuse. Also, as one who has lived in, and has friends who still live in "Gamer Households" I know only one place where this can lead. Paying more for your various forms of connectivity than you do for food, and that wonderful smell of Eau du Unix.

Call it a Troll if You Like, But (5, Interesting)

ultimabaka (864222) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749343)

As something of a geek (I guess not as much of one as I used to be, but still somewhat of one), I wonder about a few things after reading the article:

(a) "We can feel comfortable because here, we outnumber everyone else"

As someone who has been a member of both predominantly geek- and non-geek social groups at one point, I've always wondered greatly why geeks, who always complain about being tortured and abused by non-geeks, turn around and do it amongst their own geek groups? "We outnumber everyone else" is hardly the way geeks should be fighting back against the non-geeks they claim abuse them so much, and if ya ask me, I'd tell you they were acting just like the non-geeks to one another. Just goes to show you that social structures work the same, geek or not.

(b) "Here, the waitresses' uniforms are inspired by the French maid-meets-Pokemon outfits of adult manga. At other cafes, waitresses greet patrons at the door with a curtsy and the words "Welcome home, master.""

So most of the 10% females left in this area have resorted to saying "welcome home master"? I feel kinda awkward saying this, but any self-respecting (woman-loving?) geek should be trying to get the hell OUT of there as soon as possible, not try to rush into this place.

(c) "Nerd subgroups include not only people obsessed with cartoons and computer games, but also pop idols such as Morning Daughter, a music group marketed to kids that has become so popular among otaku that men sometimes attend its concerts wearing kimonos covered in glossy pictures of young band members.

That, along with the child pornography aspect of some adult manga, has led to allegations that some nerds are pedophiles."


This has been a very long-standing problem in Japanese culture in general (five minutes of Google should net you more than enough information), so trying to stick this behavior to just the nerds specifically discussed here is misguided, to say the least.

Obvious (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749396)

Search for 'high security' [ups.com] at ups.com:

Find Results With
The exact phrase high security
Search for "high security" found 0 matches.


Real estate opportunity (4, Funny)

jmcwork (564008) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749356)

I hear that Lambda Lambda Lambda is looking at houses in the area.

Re:Real estate opportunity (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749393)

CitiGroup no doubt spends millions each year on network encryption for data transmitted across WANs. I wonder if the data on these tapes was encrypted? Since they're "backups", I doubt it. Sure, UPS screwed up the sensitive task entrusted to their expert professionals. But CitiGroup took an unacceptable, unnecessary risk by allowing the task to be so sensitive. They should all have to indemnify every exposed CitiGroup customer from identity crimes in perpetuity, including the time the customers spend managing this exposure.

are you kidding me? (3, Insightful)

Sonicboom (141577) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749357)

As an IT professional - this is the LAST place I want to go on vacation.

A nice beach - cold beer - girls - bikinis!

The purpose of a vacation is to ESCAPE - the last thing I want to see is technology and be surrounded by GEEKS.

(no offense guys)

Persecuted? (3, Interesting)

mogrify (828588) | more than 9 years ago | (#12749373)

I've never felt persecuted for being a geek... on the contrary, I'm usually surprised when people are awed at what they consider completely inaccessible, but what I consider fairly basic. I've been called a "Web God" for nothing more than nicely formatting an HTML table with CSS. Being a geek sucks when you're 12, but not when you're an adult.

I'm a big fan of the dark underbellies of society, but I'd go there because I want to lookit all the pretty lights, not because I don't feel welcome anywhere else...

Embrace your geekdom!

Not a geek ghetto - a NERD METROPOLIS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12749384)

Get it right. Not a geek ghetto. That would imply that they were poor and all used Commie 64's or Atari ST's to get online with thier LYNX text-only browsers using SSH.

Funny Modifer - +69
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