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World of Warcraft Battlegrounds, Chinese Launch

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the they're-liquid-metal dept.

Role Playing (Games) 77

World of Warcraft continues its roll across the globe, with a successful Chinese launch of the MMORPG. More than 500,000 players participated in the beta test, and the launch statistics are expected to be impressive. Meanwhile, those of us who've been playing for a while have much to look forward to as the Battlegrounds of Alterac Valley and Warsong Gulch move into production. From the press release: "World of Warcraft's Battlegrounds are PvP-enabled zones where players compete against each other to achieve victory, Honor points, and valuable in-game rewards. Each Battleground has different goals and gameplay styles, providing an addictively engaging experience for participants. The two initial Battlegrounds now available to the public are Alterac Valley, a high-end zone designed for large groups of experienced players, and Warsong Gulch, a more casual zone designed for all players level 21 and up."

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dfg (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12749030)

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Inevitable censorship... (1)

kongjie (639414) | more than 8 years ago | (#12749035)

I wonder how long it will be until games like WOW are required by control-crazy governments like the PRC to alter content. Something that commands the attention of youth for multiple hours per day is likely to come under attack eventually, just like books, music and film have in the past. But in the case of a movie, the officially released version can simply have some edits. It will be harder to "edit" WOW content, I think.

Re:Inevitable censorship... (1)

Ayaress (662020) | more than 8 years ago | (#12749124)

I guess that's the advantage of WoW separating regional versions. If it comes to that, they can censor the Chinese version without changing it for American or European players.

Re:Inevitable censorship... (1)

Hythlodaeus (411441) | more than 8 years ago | (#12749762)

This has already happened. Originally Ultima Online included the ability to dismember human corpses, get paid bounties for turning in criminals' heads to town guards, and if one were so inclined, to make human jerky. All that had to go for the game to be legal in Germany.

You're less likely to see such things ever be an issue in current/future games. Whereas UO began as a crazy experiment no one expected to take off, MMOGs now are designed from the beginning to be mass-market behemoths with suits, marketing, and the legal department fully involved at every step.

Re:Inevitable censorship... (1)

DerWulf (782458) | more than 8 years ago | (#12756007)

Technically they probably took it out to not get an 'indexed' rating which doesn't mean that the game is illegal. Games that are 'indexed' just can't be adverised or displayed in stores (nor sold to minors, obviously). The consequence of course being that the game will sell like crap because they couldn't make the customers aware it even exits.

Re:Inevitable censorship... (1)

arkanes (521690) | more than 8 years ago | (#12756370)

Interestingly, WoW features the ability to turn in heads (and other body parts) in exchange for bounties, and I understand it's quite popular in Germany.

Re:Inevitable censorship... (1)

DerWulf (782458) | more than 8 years ago | (#12756571)

The rating standards of the youth-protection agency are somewhat mysterious. WoW is rated for teenagers in germany for these reasons, I think:
- you are nor actually doing (or seeing) the act of seperating a body part
- total lack of gore
- killing actual humans is not strictly the only way to play the game

Re:Inevitable censorship... (1)

Alcilbiades (859596) | more than 8 years ago | (#12751868)

well being a WoW player I can tell you that you might censor game content but you cant censor dialogue between players. I see lots of Chinese people going about their daily jobs farming gold in WoW and their is no way the government can censor that besides just banning chinese access to WoW servers located outside China.

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Another interesting thing from the changelog (1)

Ayaress (662020) | more than 8 years ago | (#12749073)

The honor system is actually a system now. You lose honor for dishonorable kills, instead of only gaining for honorable kills. It didn't make sense to me that this wasn't part of the system to begin with, since the honor system was touted as a means to punish people who slaughter players 20 levels below them.

Re:Another interesting thing from the changelog (1)

kaellinn18 (707759) | more than 8 years ago | (#12749321)

I could be wrong, but I believe that killing someone 20 levels below you isn't a dishonorable kill. Only killing civilians is dishonorable. If a mob of level 20s attacks a level 60, he has to defend himself, right? If you're level 20 and don't want to get your ass handed to you, don't go PvP unless you're sure there aren't higher levels about.

Re:Another interesting thing from the changelog (2, Funny)

TwistedSquare (650445) | more than 8 years ago | (#12758676)

That is only true on PvE servers; on PvP you are always vulnerable to being attacked by a level 60 who doesn't like the look on your level 30 face ;-)

Re:Another interesting thing from the changelog (1)

Damvan (824570) | more than 8 years ago | (#12759092)

Uh, No. On PvP servers, if you are in a contested zone, you are vulnerable. But if you are in non-contested zone, and not flagged for PvP, you don't have to worry about that level 60 at all.

As Horde, Alliance cannot attack me in a zone such as The Barrens, or Durotar.

Re:Another interesting thing from the changelog (1)

TwistedSquare (650445) | more than 8 years ago | (#12759185)

True, but once you get to about level 20, you are usually only in uncontested zones when you are headed to/from a big city. When you're out questing, you're vulnerable. And that's when you'll get attacked/ganked.

Re:Another interesting thing from the changelog (2, Informative)

BuCKsWorld (579831) | more than 8 years ago | (#12749416)

I'm pretty sure the "dishonor" part of the honor system now only applies to NPCs. If you're 60, and you kill a level 10 player, you still don't get dishonor.

Re:Another interesting thing from the changelog (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12750145)

This is OK. On PvP servers, level 10s can quest in safe areas. On regular servers, it isn't an issue unless the level 10 flags himself for PvP.

Also, a bunch of level 20s can take out a level 60 if there are enough of them working together.

Re:Another interesting thing from the changelog (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 8 years ago | (#12756097)

No, this is worthless.

1) Lvl 12 orc Shammie runs halfway across the barrens for his Fire Totem quest.

2) Lvl 58 Human Priest ganks Orc Shammie as he just barely beats off a pushy Lv 14 mob, just to be a dick.

3) Orc Shammie loses 20 more minutes.

4) Orc Shammie player tells friends who talked him into playing on a PvP server to go to hell, moves to RP server.

Dishonor is worthless if it doesnt apply to PCs.

Re:Another interesting thing from the changelog (2, Funny)

Pofy (471469) | more than 8 years ago | (#12756420)

>Dishonor is worthless if it doesnt apply to PCs.

And your proposed system works how? SPecifically so that there is no easy ways to abuse such a system. For example, low level players just standing/running arround together with high level ones (not initiating or even making any attacks to prevent systems were such a thing removes the dishonorable part). Should area effect spells not be usable there? Should you have to carefully look so your cursor is not on that level 20 player who just jumped out amogn the level 50 you was fighting? Should using low level chars as shields be the way to do it then?

Re:Another interesting thing from the changelog (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 8 years ago | (#12765739)

In small doses, dishonor is as pointless as honor. This is a good thing. You need 25 honorable kills to even get a rank for the week, IIRC. 2 Honorable doesn't get you a thing, so 2 dishonorable kills shouldn't get you any penalty. That way those little "mistakes" don't cripple you, but camping on the road from Razor Hill to Org, shooting the little level 8 orcs coming from the Valley of Trials with a gun that does 300+ damage would be somewhat... discouraged.

That said, I don't care much anymore. I've decided to leave the PvP server for an RP server and see if I like that better(I don't like PvP, but as I said above, a friend of mine was on it and talked me into it). If not, I'll jsut cancel before my trial is up.

Re:Another interesting thing from the changelog (1)

ildon (413912) | more than 8 years ago | (#12758745)

Explain to me why this level 12 orc shaman was pvp flagged in the barrens?

Re:Another interesting thing from the changelog (1)

Damvan (824570) | more than 8 years ago | (#12759118)

Exactly! Seems about half the posts here about PvP are by people who don't know the PvP rules, and most likely don't play on a PvP server.

Re:Another interesting thing from the changelog (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12760628)

I'd like to know how a shammy of any level lost to a priest.

Nerf shamans!

Re:Another interesting thing from the changelog (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 8 years ago | (#12765714)

Explain to me why this level 12 orc shaman was pvp flagged in the barrens?

You can't un-flag on Lightning's Blade. It's a PvP server.

And before someone offers the oh-so-sage advice of "stop playing on a PvP server" I've already done that (see #4) much to the chaigrin of the buddies I was playing with. They find it fun, I don't.

Re:Another interesting thing from the changelog (1)

ildon (413912) | more than 8 years ago | (#12777299)

Actually, the barrens is considered Horde territory, and horde players are not flagged within it unless they choose to be. You can get to level 25 quite easily on both factions without ever becoming pvp flagged if you don't want to.

Re:Another interesting thing from the changelog (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12808965)

It elminstes spawn killing idoits... for one thing... You get a 'buff' when you res that makes you worthless to them till it wears off..

2 million subscribers (4, Informative)

SirBruce (679714) | more than 8 years ago | (#12749090)

FYI, my next update on my web site will have WoW at 2 million subscribers according to inside sources.

Bruce
http://www.mmogchart.com/ [mmogchart.com]

Re:2 million subscribers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12750994)

FYI, my next update on my web site will have WoW at 2 million subscribers according to inside sources.

Inside sources at your own web site?

Re:2 million subscribers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12752938)

I can tell you that WoW has had less than a 5% account cancellation rate so far.

Re:2 million subscribers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12756706)

No, he means inside sources at Blizzard (I assume) that are getting him information for his website

im patching now (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12749101)

first post is anon, lol

first post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12749130)

ferst pohst

In the Chinese version (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12749310)

will all gold collected be evenly distributed among
the players for the greater glory of Chinese WoW players?

Re:In the Chinese version (1)

patio11 (857072) | more than 8 years ago | (#12775799)

No, in the Chinese version Americans farm the gold and then sell it to the Chinese players.

Now that China has WoW... (1)

alvinrod (889928) | more than 8 years ago | (#12749658)

... maybe a lot of the Chinese gold farmers on the US Servers will go play on the Chinese servers. I don't intend to sound racist against Chinese people playing the game, but when they farm gold and sell it, it ruins the economy of the game.

Here's to wishful thinking!

Re:Now that China has WoW... (1)

smileyy (11535) | more than 8 years ago | (#12749921)

That's right! We only want American gold farmers selling to Americans!

Re:Now that China has WoW... (1)

HaloZero (610207) | more than 8 years ago | (#12750188)

It not only ruins the economy, but also ruins some players experiences.

Par exampla, I was in a party on our way into Maraudon. One of our players simply couldn't or wouldn't communicate with the rest of us. He kept running ahead, and eventually lead to our team getting wiped out. He finally told us that he didn't know very much English (this was long after we entered the instance...) We had also previously agreed to a need-before-gree loot system, such that if you need it, you can roll on it. It's yours if it's an upgrade. I don't know how many times he broke that condition, but I know that the rest of us got very little in terms of spoils from that run.

Re:Now that China has WoW... (1)

OglinTatas (710589) | more than 8 years ago | (#12750534)

even in an instance, can't the group leader boot a player who is screwing the party? I think if you are not in a group, you get teleported to the surface. I think it is better to go with 4 tight adventurers, than 4 guys and a loose cannon getting everyone killed regularly.

Re:Now that China has WoW... (1)

Inali (821228) | more than 8 years ago | (#12752134)

You can boot them from your party, but you have to wait 60 seconds til they are evicted from the instance. Unfortunately that gives the soon-to-be-evicted enough time to make the rest of the instance impossible to complete if he works quick. That threat alone can be enough to keep them in the party after the rest have discovered their intentions.

Re:Now that China has WoW... (1)

The Analog Kid (565327) | more than 8 years ago | (#12753095)

Good tip to prevent "ninja looters" atleast for bosses who you know will drops blues, is to switch to master looter before you take the boss on, and then /random 1-100 for each item, and if someone rolls who clearly does not need it, can be ignored.

Re:Now that China has WoW... (1)

ildon (413912) | more than 8 years ago | (#12758785)

Unfortunately Master Looter is extremely bugged and often anyone can just loot an item from the mob.

Re:Now that China has WoW... (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 8 years ago | (#12751320)

This will only happen if Blizzard forces people in China off the US servers. There's no money to be made farming gold to sell to other people in China, and the sweatshop bosses in North America are well aware of that.

On the other hand, forcing the Chinese to play on the Chinese servers ruins the gold farming sweatshops, because the margins would be too low hiring North American gold farmers to do all the grunt work. The sweatshop bosses would just drop it and go back to spamming or identity phishing or whatever they did before WoW.

I'm normally happy to play the game along with anybody in the world who wants to play, but the benefits in terms of shutting down the gold farming sweatshops is great enough that forcing the separation based upon geography is probably a good idea. Besides, most people in China who actually want to *play* the game are probably going to prefer the localized version anyway, so it's not like it'd inconvenience that many people.

Re:Now that China has WoW... (1)

analog_line (465182) | more than 8 years ago | (#12751409)

This will only happen if Blizzard forces people in China off the US servers.

This is completely impossible. Proxy server in the US. Next stupid idea?

Re:Now that China has WoW... (2, Funny)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 8 years ago | (#12754353)

"Hey, Bill, check this out. The last six gold farmers we've banned have all been logged in from the same IP address at the same time."

"Is anybody else logging in from that IP?"

"No."

"...Then your mission is clear."

Pwned.

Mirror? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12750540)

Does anyone have a mirror for the patch? The Blizzard downloader is the worst thing in the world, and never works for me regardless of the countless amount of time I've spent messing with it.

I'm dissapointed (0)

Jaeph (710098) | more than 8 years ago | (#12750880)

WoW for me is one of the biggest dissapointments. Not because it's bad, but because it's very well done if you're willing to play hardcore. There's certainly a beginner's game in there, but if you want to seriously compete in the battlegrounds you'll need equipment, and for that you need many instance runs a week for a few months. There's no way I can manage another full-time job like that, so I can't participate.

Run-on paragraph, blech.

-Jeff

Re:I'm dissapointed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12751219)

To be the best at anything almost always requires a commitment in time. I have a friend who is an ex-professional pool player. He attributed his success to daily practice. If he stopped playing for a 30 day stretch he would no longer be competitive in the big tournaments.

I don't remember him being dissapointed in the game of pool as a result, though.

Why do you feel the need to be at the top? Playing the game for enjoyment isn't enough?

Re:I'm dissapointed (1)

grumpygrodyguy (603716) | more than 8 years ago | (#12754730)

WoW for me is one of the biggest dissapointments. Not because it's bad, but because it's very well done if you're willing to play hardcore.

Actually I found the opposite to be true. I recently quit my account because Blizzard has been glacial *cough* about improving single-player advancement for 'hardcore' gamers. EQ used to expand the level range from 55-60, and 60-65 every few months to keep the hardcore folks satisfied.

If you're concerned about surviving pvp, it's much more important to have a good group of players working with you, using voicechat, and exercising pre-determined strategies etc.

A few more stamina points on your boots isn't going to mean a whole lot when a party of 5 orcs flanks you in a well executed pincer move.

Re:I'm dissapointed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12756607)

More like every 2 years they upped the level limit.
EQ has been going for 6 years. WoW for 0.5 for you have to forgive them their glacial upgrades.

Re:I'm dissapointed (1)

Jaeph (710098) | more than 8 years ago | (#12760579)

"A few more stamina points on your boots isn't going to mean a whole lot when a party of 5 orcs flanks you in a well executed pincer move."

It's not "a few". If you do not do instances and just survive on the greens, you will be around 100 attribute points behind (or resistance, or special ability). Just compare set items from the instances to "of the bear" or "of the monkey" stuff that you can find.

Actually, I'll grab a couple real quick:

green - http://www.thottbot.com/?i=5355 [thottbot.com]
blue - http://www.thottbot.com/?i=20124 [thottbot.com]

Your green is (at best) +17 str & stm. That's 34 attr.

Your blue is 48 atr (19 & 20 stm, 9 spi) and +10 frost resist. It's also 617 armor vs 570.

Now, do this for every piece of equipment on a person. Head, kneck, shoulders, chest, legs, hands, feet, belt, bracer, ring, ring, trinket, trinket, weapon, off-hand. If someone plays religiously, they will build up an enormous advantage in not only attribute points, but minor special powers and resistances as well.

Finally, note I only used a blue vs green. The reality will be purple or better (or blue set items, which is roughly purple anyways), vs green and random blue sellable drops.

-Jeff

P.S. I grant that tactics can and do make a difference, but equipment is vastly more important than you indicated.

Re:I'm dissapointed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12757849)

You know, I don't find this to be true at all.

My coworker is a fairly casual player and he has risen pretty high on the PvP ranks with only 10-12 hours a week as a priest no less. He's wearing Knight-Lieutenant equipment right now.

His equipment, while not QUITE as good as mine, is still quite nice and geared towards pvp.

I've put weeks into acquiring just one or two of my items, and he's got stuff 90% as good.

BGs (3, Informative)

222 (551054) | more than 8 years ago | (#12751110)

Having played on the test server for a bit, I can tell you that the battlegrounds are a BLAST.

The 10v10 CTF are a blast (especially as a rogue) and the 40vs40 maps are seriously epic, with quests that can turn the tides of battle.

They allow you to upgrade the levels of npc defenders, summon epic mobs (around MC trash difficulty) etc. Reminds me of the ToB, DoTA maps I loved on battle.net. Good stuff!

Can't wait to get home to try it out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12751774)

Can't wait to get home to try this thing out, since I never bothered to get on to the test servers. (Don't like being a beta-tester, what can I say.) Looks really exciting.

Been reading the Blizzard forums [worldofwarcraft.com] to see how people are reacting.

Apparently there are some huge queue problems with people waiting to get in to Battlegrounds. Hopefully Blizzard'll fix that soon, but it's probably just because there are so many people waiting to try it.

And, then, of course, there was this post [worldofwarcraft.com] by a Whinelock who apparently is upset that despite the fifteen or so large buffs given to the Warlock class, they fixed an exploit that Warlocks could use. I just found that funny. :)

See you in the Battlegrounds!

Yes, for VICTORY (0, Redundant)

IntergalacticWalrus (720648) | more than 8 years ago | (#12752261)

"World of Warcraft's Battlegrounds are PvP-enabled zones where players compete against each other to achieve victory"

Good thing Blizzard specifically added that the goal of the competition is to achieve victory, cause for a moment I thought the goal was to lose.

Hey, what's with all the orc noobs? (4, Insightful)

borkus (179118) | more than 8 years ago | (#12752843)

Interestingly, most players up through now have been playing the Alliance side - Humans and Night Elves being the most popular with Dwarfs and Gnomes coming in later. On my server, the ratio is at least 3:1 Alliance versus Horde. This is going to be a problem on the WoW Battlegrounds. For every Horde player who wants to get on the battleground, there will be three Alliance players waiting to play. Since these areas are balanced (you only enter when both sides have equal numbers), Alliance players are going to find it harder to get into the battlegrounds - there just won't be enough horde players to fight against them.

I expect that you're going to see many players re-rolling Horde alts so they can PvP.

Re:Hey, what's with all the orc noobs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12753486)

On your server maybe, but my server it is the exact opposite. Horde outnumbers alliance about 2:1. Blizzard is correct in saying that the server wide Horde to Alliance ratio is very even.

Re:Hey, what's with all the orc noobs? (1)

blackicye (760472) | more than 8 years ago | (#12754904)

I call your bluff, what server is this you're playing on?

Let us know and we'll come check it out, I want to see a server with a 2:1 Horde majority.

Re:Hey, what's with all the orc noobs? (1)

kiddygrinder (605598) | more than 8 years ago | (#12755628)

There are a couple, i think blackrock has more horde. Mostly because it's moderately well known that there are more horde there and other horde players join because of this.

Re:Hey, what's with all the orc noobs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12777320)

Sargeras has* close to 3 to 1 in favour of horde, according to the census... of course, how many of those are unique, currently played accounts nobody but Blizzard knows.

*Or had when I quit after realizing that they didn't give a shit about fixing paladins who have gotten exactly zero dev attention since two weeks before beta ended, and are without a doubt the least involving, least fun class to play (balance comes second to fun in any even decent game - I'd play an underpowered but fun class before an overpowered or balanced boring class...)- I quit in April and it turns out I'm right. Their response to paladin feedback said they won't be looked at for the next few content patches, which means bare minimum 4-6 more months... a year from release of this poor excuse for a class to even giving it a fucking glance. Thanks Blizz. It's obvious the part of the company that made you good had left, I should've known. Having payed my monthly subscription until I realized what kind of pride you completely fail to take in your work, I will not ever give you so much as a fucking dollar again.

Re:Hey, what's with all the orc noobs? (1)

RudyG13 (793574) | more than 8 years ago | (#12783802)

Mal Ganis has a 4:1 or 5:1 horde:alliance ratio. I left playing alliance on that server to play horde on Burning Legion.

Re:Hey, what's with all the orc noobs? (1)

kiddygrinder (605598) | more than 8 years ago | (#12755638)

Not all of blizzard recite this obvious lie, almost all servers have about 2-3 alliance for each horde player. Check out some of Caydiem's posts in the forums where she talks about how battlegrounds should still be fair in spite of the imbalance in sides. What i'd like to know is why it is so? Don't people like being the bad guy? do they just not like some of the horde char models (I'll admit this annoyed me a bit, the female tauren is damned ugly, female orc not much better)

Re:Hey, what's with all the orc noobs? (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 8 years ago | (#12756111)

'll admit this annoyed me a bit, the female tauren is damned ugly, female orc not much better

This may be hard to believe, -- especially given the Female Night Elf /dance -- but you're supposed to play the game, not spank to the models.

Re:Hey, what's with all the orc noobs? (1)

kiddygrinder (605598) | more than 8 years ago | (#12830641)

I don't spank to the models, I just want to be either hot or badass, preferably both. Hence i just went ud female. Which is neither, but it's as good as i could find.

Re:Hey, what's with all the orc noobs? (1)

ockegheim (808089) | more than 8 years ago | (#12821151)

The first time I took my undead mage alt to Oggrimar, I remember thinking the female orc guards were not bad looking. Of course I'd been hanging around with undead for 10 levels by then...

The biggest difference between Alliance and Horde is that Alliance are pretty and Horde are ugly. Heresay says Horde players are more mature, and my mage's guild had lots of guys in their 30s like me. A little extra maturity would definitely help team play in battlegrounds.

New players would be more likely to choose pretty Alliance characters. My first character is a bald gnome version of me, and my second is a (stacked) human version of my girlfriend. If I'd done some research my initial choices may have been different, but I came to WoW from Starcraft and WC3, so was a total noob to MMORPGs.

Re:Hey, what's with all the orc noobs? (1)

Maserati (8679) | more than 8 years ago | (#12754287)

You mean the same high-level Alliance jerks who have been ganking me since launch will find Battlegrounds to be a frustrating experience ?

HA HA !!

Re:Hey, what's with all the orc noobs? (1)

Cais (682659) | more than 8 years ago | (#12757809)

Yep, and the same horde assholes who think 5 level 60's versus a level 42 is a fair fight will also find it frustrating.

Re:Hey, what's with all the orc noobs? (1)

rhennigan (833589) | more than 8 years ago | (#12755559)

I wish that were the case on my server (Blackrock), but I was in queue for Warsong Gulch for over an hour before giving up. There were massive amounts of players waiting to get in on both sides (I went over and took a peek at the Alliance line), however so I'm wondering if there is a limit to how many instances will spawn.

Re:Hey, what's with all the orc noobs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12759552)

I expect that you're going to see many players re-rolling Horde alts so they can PvP.

Yeah - because yet again, Battlegrounds is yet another Horde love-in.

The two Battlegrounds are terribly biased towards the Horde in design alone. Alterac Valley places a graveyard right next to the freaking Alliance base. Can you say "instant res Horde zerg"? As fast as you kill them, they res at full health/mana and can continue to zerg the Alliance base. Great design, Blizzard!

Then there are shamans, with out a doubt the most unbalanced class in MMORPG history. Shamans are a hybrid class, that can melee, heal, and nuke almost as well as pure classes can. And they're a Horde-only class.

Blizzard has continuously nerfed the Alliance since release. Paladins were "overpowered" at release and got nerfed in the first couple of weeks and then continuously nerfed since then. Even this latest patch nerfed Paladins further, of course. Shamans have only received buffs.

Horde "racial" abilities are so much better than Alliance it isn't even funny. Tauren can stun a group of people. Orcs have a huge chance to resist stun. Undead can become immune to fear. Thereby making Alliance rogues, priests, warriors, and warlocks totally ineffective. GG, Blizzard!

Yeah, I would expect people to start rerolling Horde so that they can join the giant Horde love-in that Blizzard has been building for the past seven months.

Re:Hey, what's with all the orc noobs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12761370)

/violin

This would be AWESOME... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12755370)

...if they could keep the fucking servers online.

I almost miss playing the game. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12777460)

Quit in April when it became obvious that Blizzard didn't take any pride in their work (or at least one specific glaring flaw in it), and didn't care about me past my subscription fee.

Paladins got completely remade two weeks before release. Their design leaves extremely little room for interaction. Combat consists almost exclusively of buffing yourself and auto-attacking. I kid you not. There are two kinds of buffs you can cast: blessings last five minutes* and seals last 30. Seals can be "judged" onto the target for 30 seconds for what is frequently more mana than it's worth. Paladins have a 6 second stun on a one minute timer, a 12 second invulnerability on a 5 minute timer, a couple heals, cleanse which removes debuffs, and a few other spells.

Normal fight, solo (assume blessing is down, which it usually won't be): cast blessing, cast seal to be judged, judge, cast seal. Wait 30 seconds auto-attacking. On tough mobs you may need to stun + heal. Reseal, rejudge, reseal. Wait 20 seconds. Collect loot from mob's corpse.

Tougher fights might involve divine shield (12 second invuln) + heal. Some builds may use one or two more abilities, but they are deluding themselves: they would be more efficient saving the mana to heal and thereby reducing downtime. If it's more fun for them, more power to them, but knowing that I'm gimping myself instead of helping myself by managing my character generally makes it slightly depressing for me, not more fun.

I re-rolled a warrior and got it to level 48. My subscription that I didn't renew ran out the day before warriors got buffed. Nevertheless, my warrior was actually fun and actually required some measure of skill to do well. Go figure! Despite having fun with my warrior, I quit because Blizzard's attitude to me (and a large fraction of their *paying* playerbase) in not just not changing paladins, but not even looking at them, and even failing to tell the community to stop waiting and hoping for changes that wouldn't come until nearly a year after release (or more!) disgusted me.

*Blessings are a huge fun destroyer in raids, where you are expected to keep up to 40 people blessed continously - the class is never described as a buffer, let alone a *dedicated* buffer, and moreover Blizzard said early on that there would be no pure support classes - in high end raids, paladins are not even allowed to melee in many fights, and paladins have no ranged attacks, how's that for a support class (paladins are described as fighters first, and support in a pinch... ha. Funny. All of their descriptions of paladins are wrong in that perverse way)!
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