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Practical Cell Phones to Complement Mac OS X?

Cliff posted more than 9 years ago | from the intel-or-PPC-it-matters-not dept.

Communications 99

Silas asks: "It's about time to trade up my Samsung A500 (a robust flip-phone that has served me well) to a new cell phone, and I'm looking for recommendations. I'd like something pretty no-nonsense that does the basics very well (sound quality, intuitive button placement and UI, compact physical design -- no camera, and no annoying ringtones) but I'm also ready to start connecting my phone to other parts of my life. In particular, I'd like to find something compatible with iSync on Mac OS X Tiger for addressbook and calendar stuff, and I wouldn't mind trying out the bluetooth madness for proximity login/keychain auth, etc. I've also had the ability to connect my Powerbook to the net through the phone with Sprint PCS's Vision program and a USB cable from The Shack, and preserving that capability would be nice, but is less important in a world of hotspots, and I'm fine with switching carriers. Any help is much appreciated, even if it's just brand/category generalizations."

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Quick and easy (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12760609)

no annoying ringtones

You can stop your search now. You have asked the impossible.

Re:Quick and easy (1)

cdrudge (68377) | more than 9 years ago | (#12761614)

So just don't use an annoying ringtone. Most phones are loaded with a dozen of so, one of which almost always is just a basic ringing sound. Or if that doesn't suit you, go find a ringtone that suits you just fine and use it.

It's kind of like looking for a computer that doesn't have all that porn on it. It's not really an issue unless you put the porn there in the first place now is it.

Re:Quick and easy (1)

gregmac (629064) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762040)

Most phones are loaded with a dozen of so, one of which almost always is just a basic ringing sound.

You might think so, but my Samsung A540 would prove you wrong. Couple that with the fact that my browser is broken (something about RSA key not matching .. I've called them numerous times to fix it, and it never works, I just got tired of trying) and you have a phone that pisses you off everytime it rings.

Not that finding a basic ring on via download service is easy (or possible?) either..

Re:Quick and easy (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762707)

I can understand your pain, I have a friend has "purchased" a regular ringtone for his phone :)

I can't remember the brand but it didn't have anything "rings", we laughed a lot about it. As ring tone crooks carry such a thing, it must not be a rare issue btw.

Re:Quick and easy (2, Informative)

EggyToast (858951) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762958)

Yeah, that's a weird thing about Samsungs it seems. My girlfriend's is the same way -- not a single normal ringtone. There's one that starts normally... then this voice says "Helloooo!!" and a techno song starts with the ring and the "helloooo!"

I was pleased when I discovered that my Motorola phone had normal ringtones. I was even more pleased to discover that all I had to do to get new ringtones was point the web browser at a .mid file or .wav and ta da, new ringtone. Now it's the prelude from FF6, which is both pretty, non-obtrusive, and sounds like a ring. Geek points, too, I suppose.

My (free) motorola also synch's up just fine with iSync via USB, although it has no bluetooth and I've never tried online/computer stuff with it.

Feline Poop! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12760612)

Fuck you, all you motherfucking LambdaMOOers! That's right, fuck y'all! Damn!

motorola sony (1)

hammeredpeon (572012) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760617)

From my experience, Motorola phones are built better, last longer, and make more sense. I have a Sony phone now that syncs up with my powerbook, which is nice, but lots of times the buttons don't work at all. I haven't had this phone for a year yet, and I've been nicer to it than my previous phones, and it's still falling apart. My next phone is going to be a Motorola.

Re:motorola sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12761241)

We have 9 motorola cell phones right now. They all have the same "battery charger" connector at the bottom of the phone, and in all 9 cases the phone has broken at this point. (Models are mostly c550 and i600.)

The clip is short, with a long handle. Lots of leverage, and very easy to tweak this connector and break the solder of the "in-phone" portion.

I have external battery chargers and extra batteries, which is a rather expensive workaround.

If you get ANY phone, I recommend checking for a nice, solid A/C port. :)

Re:motorola sony (1)

whats4lunch (593722) | more than 9 years ago | (#12761570)

I have to agree with Motorola. I just got two new phones, one for me and one for my wife. I had basically the same criteria as you. We got a Motorola V180 and a Motorola C650. The V180 is a simple flip phone, and the C650 is a non-folding camera phone. I chose them because the V180 works with iSync and they both have a standard mini USB connector on them. I guessed that because they were similar enough that the C650 would sync as well, and it did. It looks like the V180 has been replaced by the V188. It has 14.5 days of standby, the C650 only has 9 days. I let my wife have the V180 and I took the C650. I wish I had got a V180 as well. The joystick is touchy on the C650 and having to lock the keypad is a hassle, and I never use the camera. But they both do sync to my iBook, with the cheap mini USB cable that came with my card reader. Try to find a cheap cable to talk to some other phone.

Re:motorola sony (1)

c0bw3b (530842) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762743)

I just picked up a v188. Seems like a pretty decent phone, had to do a little plist editing to get it to work with iSync, but since I did that it works great. Supposedly you can transfer ringtones and pictures with the USB cable also, but damned if I know what software I would need to do that. Any idea? Can't seem to find anything Mac or Windows that'll do it. But once I get that figured out, it'll be a great little phone.

Re:motorola sony (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 9 years ago | (#12761992)

My very basic motorola v180 series phone is very poorly designed. It has two volume buttons on the side that always get pushed in my pocket and there is no key lock (flip phone). I have to keep it on silent just so I don't beep randomly all the time. It synchs just fine with iSynch over a mini usb cable, but is has a really, really poorly designed interface. Avoid it.

Re:motorola sony (1)

silicon not in the v (669585) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762631)

Yep, I also was very upset at the design of the Motorola phone I had. We were using a Nokia 8260--awesome little phone that is rugged, looong talk time and has a great interface. We got a good deal on a Motorola V60 flip phone($20) to renew our contract, and hated so many things about it that we switched back over to the Nokia and still use it.

Commence list of horrible things on the Motorola V60:

* Number one worst thing about that phone was the "battery meter". I put that in quotes because it did anything but indicate anything about the status of charge left in the battery. It is a very tiny picture of a battery with only three little bars in it. I wanted to see how long the standby time would go, so I kept an eye on it as a couple days of time went by with no charging, and it still read full! While still reading full, my wife got a call from her dad and talked for about an hour and a half, at which point the call ended because our phone was dead and had shut itself off. I had found in the menu a more detailed battery readout with 6 blocks of resolution, but a friend of mine who also had a V60 said that it will only fill 2, 4, or 6 blocks, so it's just a deceiving representation of the 3-block display on the main screen. Even fresh off an overnight charge it still never got the 4+ hours of talk time our Nokia 8260 had.

* As mentioned above, the volume buttons on the outside of the phone are always active, so they easily get bumped, which makes your phone beep.

* Pushing those volume buttons is how you change the ring volume, including switching it to vibrate or silent. You just step through the volume levels like this: 6 5 4 3 2 1 vibrate nothing. The decent volume to be able to hear it ring is all the way up on 6. So to switch to silent, you have to start pushing the volume down, which emits a BEEP each time as it demonstrates the volume associated with each level.

* If I have the phone in my pocket on vibrate, the volume buttons can easily get bumped, changing that setting to either ring audibly(Gee, now why would you have wanted it on SILENT?) or to get bumped down to no ring at all, so you miss calls.

* Phone book issues. On the Nokia, from the main screen, you can just start hitting the down or up arrows, and it jumps to scrolling through your phone book--very handy. Also, on the Nokia, you can scroll through those as fast as you can hit the button. On the Motorola, it has an annoying delay so that if you are hitting the down button fast, it is only receiving about one out of three of those. You have to [press] *wait* [press] *wait* ad nauseam. And let me tell ya, that gets old quick.

* Text messaging. Most messages consist of letters, spaces, and periods, right? The Nokia designers were smart enough to make all those available on the keypad when you are typing by making the 1 type a period. On the Mot, you have to go to the punctuation menu and then select to insert the period.

Most people I talk with who have tried both brands have experienced the same thing. They really preferred the Nokia interface over the Motorola one. Sorry Mot, but you fail it! I mean, how many annoying things can you fit in such a small package?

Re:motorola sony (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 9 years ago | (#12764052)

My V551 works well with tiger and isync9finally), two annoying problems.

Batterylife if you use it sucks. About 5 days without using it, about 2 if you make just a few. The battery meter is also not set right. 3 bars to 2 takes days. 2 bars to 0 takes 12-16 hours.

Second way to many features in a clunky interface.

Re:motorola sony (1)

axonal (732578) | more than 9 years ago | (#12767755)

Motorolas are quite incompatible with Macs. If you look at the iSync page, you'll notice it requires a USB cable. Bluetooth syncing isn't supported, for that matter I'm not sure if even modem connections are supported either. Not to mention syncing over USB is really buggy as well.

Re:motorola sony (1)

GnrcMan (53534) | more than 9 years ago | (#12776377)

FWIW, Motorola's (somewhat crippled, but still nice) V710 Bluetooth phone now syncs with macs quite nicely, if you make a small tweak to iSync's phone compatibility plist. Instructions for doing so are here [] . Keep in mind that Verizon has disabled the OBEX bluetooth profile, so you cannot, for example, dial your phone from Address Book like you would be able to do with most Bluetooth phones.

Re:motorola sony (1)

lowededwookie (844199) | more than 9 years ago | (#12774089)

I just upgraded from the Sony T39M to the Motorola V550 and I love it. I purchased the USB lead and it works really well. Go to [] to download the modem script for either GPRS or CDMA depending on your provider and you can then use the phone as a modem. As for ringtones? Go to iTunes, convert your favourite song to a 32Kb MP3 then upload to the audio folder on the phone (you'll need Bluetooth for that or a copy of VPC running W2K if you're going to use the software). Now your ringtone is something you like and because it's an MP3 of a REAL song you get something people won't necessarily want to kill you for. :D The only thing it won't sync is the Tasklist in iCal but it will do the calendars themselves.

Sony Ericsson (1)

rickerbr (112947) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760624)

I've had good luck with the bluetooth syncing using the SE T616 (mine) and my wifes T637 with both of our Powerbooks. I'd like to get a RAZR, but price is a little much right now. Our T6xxs came from ATT Wireless (now Cingular).


Re:Sony Ericsson (1)

MyGirlFriendsBroken (599031) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760755)

I would definatly agree

Had a T610 and now have a Z1010 (personal) and K700i (work) and they both work great over bluetooth to iSync, and can be used as a clicker, iTunes control device etc. I have not connected to the Internet with these but I have not tried and see no reason why its not possible

Re:Sony Ericsson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12761478)

I've got a Sony Ericsson S710a. Works great for me with bluetooth and my G4 cube. I've got Salling Clicker so I can control my computer from my phone, but some apps don't need the full software. It syncs just fine with iSync.

I think the S710a is in an intersting position. It's not as powerful as a full smartphone, but it can still do some of the stuff, and it seems to be more powerful and costly compared to the basic models. It almost seems as if you should go with a lesser model or a full blown PDA/Smartphone, depending on what you want to do with your phone.

t637 (1)

tivoKlr (659818) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762109)

I love my unbranded t637, works with cingular and T-Mobile just fine, and syncs via bluetooth with my Macs.

Used it for gprs data successfully, but you better have time on your hands for loading webpages. Does pop just fine though.

I'd look for a model that supports EDGE if you're planning on using it for data, the speed increase is supposed to be marked.

RAZR (2, Informative)

msired (666203) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762416)

Amazon has the RAZR on special. $100 after a $150 mail in rebate. Cingular only. I got mine last week and Tiger recognized it right off.

Re:RAZR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12764386)

Sounds interesting. Can you verify that the following work:
- sync with AddressBook
- sync with iCal, including alarms
- iCal alarms alarms fire on the RAZOR


Re:RAZR -- T616 vs. RAZR (1)

Frightened_Turtle (592418) | more than 9 years ago | (#12767519)

I had a Sony-Ericson T616 that worked very nicely with OS X via Bluetooth. I could send SMS messages with Address book from my Powerbook, and when my phone started ringing, it would pop up a window letting me know who was calling. I could even tell the phone to answer the call, so I could connect while I went digging for my phone.

The problem I had with the T616 was that the buttons were always exposed, so I was constantly making accidental phone calls every time I leaned or brushed against something with the phone. also, the user interface wasn't all that intuitive. (Personally, I think the Samsung phones have the best interface and voice dialing capabilities -- pity they didn't have Bluetooth back when.)

I like the styling on the RAZR! It's very nicely engineered and has a good solid feel to it. Being of metal and glass, I've had this thing for two months now and it doesn't have a scratch on it -- unlike every other phone I ever had which would get scuffed up within the first three weeks. The sound quality and reception are excellent! I have yet to get a dropped or garbled call when in areas of known good reception. It seems to be getting good reception even when other people with different phones right next to me are not.

The RAZR has a surprisingly good battery life! With average use, I seem to be able to go a week between charges! The T616 wouldn't go more than a couple of days before needing a charge. Of course, I should point out that I pretty much had my T616 running with Bluetooth constantly to alert me to phone calls and Text Messages when they arrived. But more importantly: The RAZR can be charged via the USB terminal on your PowerBook! If the T616 could have been charged in that way, I probably would have stayed with it.

The biggest F that the RAZR gets -- and this makes me question the value of my purchase even after all this time -- is its shoddy Bluetooth implementation!

I honestly would have expected Motorola to make sure their "flagship" phone would be able to outperform anything else on the market. It doesn't work with OS X the way the Sony-Ericson T616 did. I've missed several calls because the RAZR cannot pair with Address Book and pop up alert windows like the T616 did. That's vitally important for me, because I could turn off ringers completely and allow the phone to alert me in noisy environments, or when I didn't want the phone making noise in silent areas when it was important to stay silent.

Now I have to admit, I don't know if I can blame the phone or OS X for this inability to pair together. I can use the Bluetooth File Exchange utility in OS X to easily pass files back and forth between the RAZR and OS X. So why can't it sync via iSync or pair with Address Book via Bluetooth? If they went lax on this because of the fact the Bluetooth drains the battery faster, my answer is, "Who cares? I can connect the USB cable and keep the phone charged if faced with extended periods of pairing!"

If I could clear that pairing issue, then the RAZR would be the perfect phone! If any of you Bluetooth/Cell Phone hackers out there can figure out a way around this glaring bug in the RAZR, I would dearly love to hear from you!

Re:RAZR -- T616 vs. RAZR -- iSync correction (1)

Frightened_Turtle (592418) | more than 9 years ago | (#12767935)

Heh- Read through the slashdot comments and find an answer!

iSync synchronized perfectly via Bluetooth. So there is no issue there.

But I still can't get the phone to pop up alerts and allow Address Book to send SMS messages.

Someone else also listed a website, Bluetooth Device Qualification Web Site [] which may hold a solution to my issues with application between the phone and OS X.

Let the learning continue!

Re:Sony Ericsson (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 9 years ago | (#12770253)

Another agreement here. I had a T68 which I `up'graded to a T610 a while back. Both sync'd perfectly with Address Book and iCal, both could be dialled or be used to send SMS from Address Book, both could be used with Romeo as a remote control, both could be used for mobile GPRS Internet over bluetooth.

Start with phones listed as supported by Clicker (4, Informative)

Leknor (224175) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760626)

I'd start with the supported feature list of Salling Clicker: cker/ []

You don't have to use Salling Clicker, there are alternatives, but I'm not familiar with their web sites.


amarodeeps (541829) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760690)

This is the way to go. You can do crazy stuff with this software, like control all your apps, and even write your own scripts. I actually paid for it and there's precious little software I do buy.


Moofie (22272) | more than 9 years ago | (#12774319)

My only issue with Clicker is range. I've got a Treo 650 and a 12" Powerbook. Useful range is less than ten feet. Too'd be a nifty solution.

Re:Start with phones listed as supported by Clicke (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762671)

Sony Ericsson T630 is a great phone for salling clicker and iSync.

BTW, if you ask such thing again, please tell what kind of network you use. You know, GSM phones, Verizon etc.

I only know GSM (with EDGE,GPRS)/Symbian/J2ME World for instance.

BTW, it has a camera but you don't have to use it :)

Re:Start with phones listed as supported by Clicke (1)

jomas1 (696853) | more than 9 years ago | (#12763816)

Romeo [] is a free alternative to Salling Clicker and while it may not be as polished, it's quite cool

Motorola Phones should all work (2, Informative)

GusherJizmac (80976) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760655)

I have an A630 and while it (like other Mot phones) requirs the USB sync cable to sync (available cheap on eBay), I believe that you can use it as a modem via bluetooth (certainly with the USB cable).

Tiger 10.4.1 supports bluetooth fine. (3, Informative)

rdunnell (313839) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760695)

If you have a Motorola phone, almost all of them work fine with bluetooth under Tiger 10.4.1. I couldn't get my Razr or V551 to work with 10.4 out of the box but after I upgraded to the latest patch iSync works beautifully with either Bluetooth or USB cable. However, 10.3 and earlier do require USB as you mentioned.

That being said, to the original poster I'd recommend a Razr or a V551, I have had good luck with both, depends on how much money you want to spend (or not spend - v551 are a lot less expensive).

Did you look at Apple's page? (4, Informative)

pauljlucas (529435) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760667)

Here [] .

Re:Did you look at Apple's page? (1)

Silas (35023) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760956)

Yes - notice how many devices are on that page? Sure would be nice if a geek with experience making them work could recommend one, thus my Ask submission.

Re:Did you look at Apple's page? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12761553)

I'm planning on the Nokia 6620, as it's the only Nokia Bluetooth phone on that list that my carrier offers.

Nice big screen on it too, almost like a mini PDA.

Re:Did you look at Apple's page? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12766863)

Be carefull, Adressbook doesn't work with Series 60 phones at all, iSync has problems (I managed to sync my contacts exactly once), but at least connecting to Internet works OK.

Re:Did you look at Apple's page? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12767027)

Bullshit. Works beautifully with a Nokia 6600. On Tiger, too.

Re:Did you look at Apple's page? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12771027)

Nokia 6600 is quite old phone (Symbian 6.x). Never phones, like 6260 or 7160 (Symbian 7) don't work with Adressbook at all and iSync has issues with SyncML (in my case it always fails; Symbian 6 phones used different protocol).

This is on Tiger. With Jaguar, it didn't work with iSync at all.

iSync Supported Phones (5, Informative)

mr_rattles (303158) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760668) .html []

List of phones "officially" supported by iSync, though there's a bunch more you can get working by hacking the MetaClasses.plist property file in

Re:iSync Supported Phones (3, Informative)

JHromadka (88188) | more than 9 years ago | (#12761340)

The Sony Ericsson phones offer great compatibility. I have used the T68i, the T610, and now a K700 with iSync. All were great, and all complement the look of my PowerBook. I prefer to make headshot photos on the Mac and xfer them over Bluetooth to the K700 so I can use better looking photos. The camera is sufficient for a cellphone, but if you want something more, SE just released the K750. Unfortunately, iSync doesn't work natively with the K750 without modifying some files.

Re:iSync Supported Phones (1)

grrrl (110084) | more than 9 years ago | (#12764095)

i have the sony ericsson t630 - i thought it would be my dream phone (good looks, bluetooth... well, thats all i really look for in a phone) but its not

the user interface is passable but really, in the end, crap. its SLOW. everytime you want to do anything it takes about 5 clicks and if you press the wrong button its either horrendously slow to fix your mistake, or you are brought back to the main screen - you cant even "go to contact/edit contact..." you have to go back to the main menu and go to "edit contact" through 5 levels of menus just to change a bloody phone number! the speed dial setup is TERRIBLE and there are only a set number of phone numbers allowed per contact - and you cant have two "mobile" numbers. I compare all this to having had two nokia phones (8310/3100) and never being this pissed off (tho still pisssed,guess im hard to please :))

the "cancel all" button craps me off too - unlike the nokia button which immediately brings you back to the start, you have to hold the "back" button down for like 5 seconds. URG, i much prefer to break out if needs be

that said, once you are more used to the flow of the UI (which is similar to the old days of ericssons, like my t18) and make less mistakes its less of a headache

the bluetooth syncing with my powermac works a treat, and ive used a bluetooth headset as well. bluetooth is good for exchanging ringtones with other SE users (in case you hate all of yours! which isnt hard to do) - it does have that old schooll "bring bring" phone ring which is ok

the memory is crap tho - not expandable and you run out of sms memeory after about 50 sms's in your inbox (hello???) - it automatically saves your outgoing msg's but thats no use if the mem is full! also you cant fit that many photos on (i like to have photos of ppl so they show up when they ring... but it doesnt leave much to take extras!)

anyway, it IS cheap and syncs with my pmac, so im keeping it for now. but then im interesetd to see a phone with a decent UI!

(OT) Samsung A500 (1)

MasterLock (581630) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760680)

Hey, have you had issues with the A500 dialing a different entry than the one you are highlighting in the phonebook? I've talked to Sprint several times about it; they upped the firmware once and now insist it is a hardware problem (which we all know it is not).

It's damn irritating.

Re:(OT) Samsung A500 (1)

Silas (35023) | more than 9 years ago | (#12761033)

Yes - truly annoying. (I wish I could tell some witty story about dialing Blofeld when I meant to dial Bond, but alas I have none.) There have been other firmware bugs like that over time that I've just come to accept.

For Bluetooth compatability (3, Informative)

Hast (24833) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760730)

The is one resource for information on Bluetooth compatability and that is the list of qualified products [] on the qualification program site. (It's a bitch to find via links though.) One search and then a click on the "details" will tell you exactly which profiles that device is qualified for. If you have multiple devices, just check that they match up wrt profiles and you are good to go.

Why they don't advertice that list to help consumers is beyond me. (Probably because it's a lot of work to figure out.) BTW you should look for devices which support the Sync profile. Some devices (eg Nokia) implement their own sync system on top of serial port profile instead, that works too but it's not as "clean" and requires special PC software.

On topics of phones I'd ignore the ringtones part, just don't use annoying ringtones. (Mine is always set to silent.) Personally I like Sony-Ericsson phones, but that's just me. (They tend to work well with Bluetooth as well.)

Many newer phones support Java MIDP (J2ME) which might be fun if you like programming and want to add a little to your own phone.

Wow (1, Insightful)

allanc (25681) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760732)

First Apple-related Slashdot post in days to not make reference to the x86 switch in the blurb.

Re:Wow (2, Funny)

Sonic McTails (700139) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760762)

from the intel-or-PPC-it-matters-not dept.

Re:Wow (1)

allanc (25681) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760820)

Crap! You're right!


Motorola V220 (1)

Dixie_Flatline (5077) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760772)

It's a nice simple phone. It has a crappy camera in it, too, if you want to take awful photos. However, it syncs up with my wife's Powerbook just fine. No bluetooth, but that's sort of beyond the realm of a solid, simple phone.

LG PM 325 (1)

FatRatBastard (7583) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760793)

This Sprint phone will do half of what you want: you can connect to the internet via SprintVision with ease (its not the quickest connection, but will do in a pinch) via Bluetooth. The downside is that the geniuses at LG/Sprint (each blames the other) have disabled OBEX support so as of yet you cannot sync addressbooks, etc.

Re:LG PM 325 (1)

FatRatBastard (7583) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760810)

Should have mentioned that there's scuttlebut floating around the various chat boards that Sprint will one day introduce OBEX support with a firmware upgrade, but if/when that shows up is a total guess.

Re:LG PM 325 (1)

mroch (715318) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762196)

Have you tried this? I've heard that it doesn't work for everyone. I'm about to buy a Powerbook and a new phone for college, and I want one that can use Vision over Bluetooth. The LG PM325 is the only non-Palm from Sprint with Bluetooth, and OBEX isn't as important to me, so this seems like a good option if it works.

Re:LG PM 325 (1)

FatRatBastard (7583) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762528)

Yeah, I've gotten the DUN to work. Pairing can be a real pain in the ass (esp. with Macs for some reason) but after I took the unit in to a Sprint Store and had the firmware updated things worked a lot better.

Basically you're going to get speeds marginally quicker than dialup (at least that's been my experience so far) but it comes in handy when traveling with no other internet access.

motorola V551 (1)

mpechner (637217) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760831)

It syncs with iSync.

the one issues is that once I added my computer to the phone as a blue tooth device, it stopped automatically connectig to my motorola bluetooth headset.

Re:motorola V551 (1)

brarrr (99867) | more than 9 years ago | (#12769548)

how good is the reception? screen? have you been able to use it as a modem via bluetooth?

Re:motorola V551 (1)

mpechner (637217) | more than 9 years ago | (#12769765)

I live in the SF bay area. It works well for me. I just moved over from verizon. I have not tried the modem facilities.

Re:motorola V551 (1)

levl289 (72277) | more than 9 years ago | (#12769883)

I have one as well - the later versions (when purchased w/ cingular service), are EDGE compatible, and the speeds are VERY impressive. doing a speed test, I was able to get DL speeds of around 100kbps, which is fairly decent considering.

Here are some points about the phone (pros, and cons)

  • p: solid - motorola despite any other problems makes some solid phones!
  • p: good reception - I was able to get reception on this thing in a colo 2 floors underground (granted, this is also a result of Cingulars increased coverage, but still...)
  • p: Macs can use them for a bluetooth modem (and with the EDGE capabilities mentioned above, it's quite nice)
  • c or p?: it's got a rubberized coating, which is great while in hand, but horrible if you're trying to dig it out of your pocket, seeing as it sticks to the fabric
  • c: horrible interface. I'm an interface nut, and motorola couldn't make a good one to save their life - looks like they're going Symbian in future phones, which will certainly help out
  • c: voice recognition uses too short a sound bite time, so you can't save very memorable voice numbers

A680 is the choice for you (1)

pagluy (651141) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760885)

I had A600 before this phone, just like submitter, and upgraded to this fine and well made A680. Worth it imo.

Sony T637 works for me.. (1)

rfreynol (169522) | more than 9 years ago | (#12760920)

syncs my calendar and contacts via bluetooth with my Powerbook (iSync).

I also use the GPRS connections via bluetooth for network access when I'm away from a wifi hot spot. Nice phone.

Nokia 3650 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12760995)

I've been using a Nokia 3650 and I've been happy. It's a slightly older phone so it should be reasonably priced. If you're not intending to use data services with a palm, try a 6600. HTH. Clicker is awesome - be sure to get a compatible phone.

Re:Nokia 3650 (1)

mobiusjava (655737) | more than 9 years ago | (#12761102)

I concur. I'm using the 3660 with T-Mobile and my experience with iSync has been a joy. Bluetooth is definitely the way to go and the phone should be pretty cheap now that it's two generations behind. Also, you might want to look at the 6600 as its support is the same. Cheers.

Sony k700 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12761016)

I just had the same dilemma as you and I had vowed not a enter a single number by hand.

I got the sony erricson k700i (unlocked) via a ebay powerseller and I synced wireless (bluetooth) all my contacts and calendars via isync. The phone can also be used as a remote control for the mac.

Its awesome. MyLife is much better now.


RAZR (1)

1+(smarterThanYou) (539258) | more than 9 years ago | (#12761273)

I have a RAZR and Tiger. Syncs via bluetooth and USB flawlessly. Not sure you can use it as modem for the internet, although I know this feature is available for windows, so it's possible. It's worth it.

Re:RAZR (1)

brjndr (313083) | more than 9 years ago | (#12766613)

I also have a RAZR, but I have only been able to sync over USB, although I have not tried bluetooth since upgrading to Tiger

1 great point about the RAZR:

My law school does not support Apple laptops on their wireless network. They use SecureW2 software to secure the network which isn't available for the Mac, and I have been unable to figure out a work around. Thus, the only way for me to get on the network when I am sitting in classes without ethernet ports in the desk is through my RAZR over bluetooth. My Sony Ericsson Z600 used to let me on, but it would continually drop me after a few minutes. With the RAZR, I have stayed on for 3 hours without being dropped.

I have T-mobile's $19.95 a month unlimited internet plan. Download speeds are about the same as a 56k modem, with slightly greater latency.

Also, I recommend Ross Barkman's homepage [] for modem scripts for Mac OS. He also has the setting required for most major carriers worldwide, and it has saved me from having to call T-mobile many times. The scripts allow you to put the required APN names in where the phone number would go, and it will automatically use the right dialing sequence info. This resource has be invaluable.

Re:RAZR (1)

brjndr (313083) | more than 9 years ago | (#12766688)

Just tried to sync over bluetooth. This is the first time i tried since upgrading to Tiger. It worked flawlessly.

I am still unable to text message or dial the phone from the address book application over bluetooth (but can with BluePhoneElite.)

Sony-Ericsson (2, Informative)

meatball_mulligan (633993) | more than 9 years ago | (#12761373)

I've had great experiences with the two Ericsson phones I've used with my my Mac: a T68i and z600. I really can't go on enough about my z600. It's small, but tough and sturdy (have you seen the 'buttons' on the Razr!?). It works flawlessly with iSync, Salling Clicker, the web, and OS X's Bluetooth File Exchange. It's gonna take a lot for me to give up this one.

As someone mentioned earlier, no matter which phone you end up getting, make sure it's on the Clicker compatability list. Clicker kicks ass.


Re:Sony-Ericsson (1)

vought (160908) | more than 9 years ago | (#12765961)

I'm extremely happy with my Sony Ericsson T616. I'm using it with Cingular.

It syncs easily, works with Salling Clicker, and still has decent battery life after almost a year of use. I don't use many minutes; maybe 100 a week. Haven't tried data connectivity through Bluetooth since I'm always near a WiFi access point.

Pretty decent range and battery life.

The T637 is a relatively recent equivalent...

Nokia and Sony Ericsson experiences (1)

reptilicus (605251) | more than 9 years ago | (#12761447)

I used a Sony Ericsson t610 for a while, and it synched up great with OSX. The problem with the phone was that reception was miserable and the screen was completely useless outdoors.

I've since moved on to a Nokia 7610. The reception on this phone is amazingly good, as is the screen quality. Unfortunately, despite Apple's claims, I have not been able to get it to work with iSync (although I did automate importing all of my address book using this method [] ).

BitPim (1)

ndansmith (582590) | more than 9 years ago | (#12761459)

With LG products I believe you can use BitPim [] to synchronize with iSync. At the very least it is a nice cross-platform app for managing the data on your LG phone.

Intel Inside (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12761983)

Well as long as it's got an Intel processor in it you should be OK.

Don't forget the supersize battery pack and the travel charger.

Sony Ericsson T637 (2, Insightful)

Matty_ (74368) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762129)

I have the Sony Ericsson T637 and am pretty happy with it. I currently use it with Cingular.

I use iSync to synchronize calendar and contact information via Bluetooth. I have an old Sawtooth G4 PowerMac so I bought a Bluetooth USB adapter, which works just fine.

Re:Sony Ericsson T637 (1)

jht (5006) | more than 9 years ago | (#12764457)

Me too - I use a T637 with Cingular and it works quite well. I sync between a PowerBook running Tiger and two iMacs (a G4 at home and a G5 at my office) on Panther, and I also sync an iPod, Palm Tungsten T, and an HP iPaq 1930 (using PocketMac), and they all go a very good job of staying in sync and avoiding conflicts. The iMac G4 uses a Bluetooth dongle, the other two have it built-in.

My wife uses a T610 with her iMac G4 and a Bluetooth dongle, and it works just fine for her as well. Both phones have a pretty good UI overall, though the joystick takes a little getting used to. Battery life is excellent, and I use the T637 with a Jabra BT250 headset which pairs automatically and switches profiles to handsfree when I power it on - also convenient (the Jabra does not handle wind noise gracefully, though...).

I've used the T637 for data, but it's pretty slow as the network is currently configured. Better than nothing, though. After about 6 months of it, I went with a Verizon card for wireless data, instead.

Blackberry 7100, 7290, 7510 or 7250 (1)

Stonent1 (594886) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762153)

For Macintosh []

Not the Sony Z600 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12762164)

I'd recommend the Sony Z600 which has a nice reduced feature set, (though a pointless camera)... except for the fact that is is a piece of crap and might as well be built from cardboard.

Buy Motorola.. it is the only way.

Sony Ericsson T637 (1)

tiktokfx (699424) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762331)

When I lost my old, very out of date Nokia, I splurged and actually paid for a new phone for once and got the T637. If you need a camera phone, the camera part of it is practically worthless.

I got it because it was the cheapest Bluetooth phone I could find that wasn't a Motorola. It works great. Bluetooth syncing is great and using it with Salling Clicker is geekily awesome. It always freaks people out to see me using it as a remote for my PowerBook.

Re:Sony Ericsson T637 (1)

tiktokfx (699424) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762474)

Also, it's extremely easy to download MIDI files to the phone for ringtones. Sony's got Mac software for making the phone "themes" downloadable as well.

Sont Ericsson (1)

jalagl (253529) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762426)

I have a Sony Ericsson T637 [] and it works like a charm over Bluetooth.

Plus, with Sailing Clicker [] , I can actually control iTunes from my bed with the Mac on the other side of the room. It also allows me to use the phone as a wireless presentation controller - that always starts conversations at conferences.

Overall, I am happy with the phone.

Verizon (1)

Nastard (124180) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762465)

I'm stuck with Verizon, who doesn't offer a reasonable bluetooth phone. Is there a good, solid, bluetooth/CDMA/OSX-friendly phone I could get on eBay or something?

I don't need a PDA. Just a phone that can talk to my powerbook and share contacts.

Re:Verizon (1)

thenewcloo (789980) | more than 9 years ago | (#12763831)

Unfortunately, I don't think that Verizon will let you use phones that they don't issue. Someone please tell me I'm wrong, though.

Sony-Ericsson (2, Interesting)

fatalb7 (852308) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762479)

They all sync perfectly.
Easy to use them to connect your Mac via BT.
Lots of models.
Better UI than Nokia IMHO.

Umm.. (1)

chivo243 (808298) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762582)

Life is too short for a cell phone!

Anything which is Bluetooth 2 (two!) enabled (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 9 years ago | (#12762799)

If I purchased a phone right now, the first thing I would look would be Bluetooth 2 compatibility which would also have Airport (802.1) compatibility.

You buy a phone in 2005. Go with the simplest thing with latest technology built in.

I have Nokia 7650 here, which was called "overkill" when it shipped but see, I can do marvelous things with Salling Clicker, iSync installs its own application now for top compatibility etc. Its a 2mb phone with Psiloc space doubler installed.

Oh, I hate camera (digital anything) too but companies now include it on everything they ship, just don't use it.

Also I see another post about Samsung people's firmware etc problems, stay away from Samsung. My fridge is even Samsung but "phone" thing is really different. Go with Sony, Nokia etc.

Sony Ericsson T630 (3, Informative)

PinkX (607183) | more than 9 years ago | (#12763040)

I have a Sony Ericsson T630 which works flawlessly with MacOS X. Full iSync compatibility for iCal and Address Book.

It has a nice Apple-style touch which looks pretty good next to my PowerBook G4.

Plus there is Romeo [] (no I'm not its author just a happy user) which is a nice OpenSource app that lets you do all sort of neat things with BlueTooth (remote control for iTunes, DVD, mouse mode, presentation sliding for both Powerpoint and Keynote, volume control, etc.), proximity reaction, caller ID (with a nice bezel and photo support!) and fully AppleScript'able to add support for whatever app you want.

Did I mention it is now GPL software? Althought it's not directly on the site, its sources can be obtained via CVS from SourceForge [] and it could surely use some help from experienced and skilled ObjC/Cococa coders.

I'd like to take the chance to ask, if anybody knows if it would be possible to use the computer as a sort of headset for the phone, talking with the built-in mic on the Powerbook and listening through its speakers, it'd be a very nice app for which I've googled around with no positive results.

Finally I'd like to comment that I've been trying to make an iPod-like interface for this software to use with the phone integrated menus, which would let you browse the genres/artists/albums database of iTunes. Anyone interested on it could help me giving it a go.


sony ericsson p910 (2, Interesting)

madgamer (766925) | more than 9 years ago | (#12763725)

i started with a sony ericsson t68 which was nice. i upgraded to t610 which was good for a couple of years, but the reception sucked and it broke all the time. i upgraded to a blackberry t1700 but the ui sucked and there was no isync bluetooth support.

i returned it and got a sony ericsson p910 and it is without a doubt the best phone i've ever had. isync support with address book (pictures too), calendar, to-do's, file sharing, etc.

aside from the pda aspects, cameraphone, vidphone, app support, memory stick duo, mp3/mp4 audio player, video player, etc... which may be too much feature-creep for you, i really appreciate the full qwerty keyboard for sms, the big screen, the (relative) simplicity of the ui, and the speakerphone, which make it a pleasure to use as a phone, first and foremost.

with salling clicker, i get itunes with album covers, iphoto picture browsing, email reading, and all that other fancy stuff.

ymmv, of course, but i love this phone.

nokia 3650 (2, Informative)

william_w_bush (817571) | more than 9 years ago | (#12764252)

had a 3650 for a few years, and while it is a mediocre phone, it seems great at everything else.

used to have an ipaq set up for autoconnect to tmobile gprs, so i could check email or whatever anywhere without having to dig out the phone. worked great as a failsafe web connection too. fired up isync the other day and it works perfectly, so it may be old but it keeps surprising me.

one thing, it has a really stupid dial pad, so you might want to try the 3660 or so, but s60 phones seem pretty solid from my pov.

love the bt on it.

Re:nokia 3650 (1)

phaxda (104546) | more than 9 years ago | (#12772077)

I agree completely. I still love my 3650, though it's actually moving into the retro (chic?) range of things. Almost 3 years old now, and it still does everything that I want it to do. It's a little large (this is the complaint I always hear), but I wear baggy pants and shorts, so can pocket it just fine. Salling Clicker and GoBoy make this phone great, and everything works well with iSync. I wish it played music, but that's what I finally bought a Shuffle for.

Looking at future phones, I have my eye on the Nokia N91. It'll be great to ditch the shuffle and upgrade to a more modern-looking phone!

That said, I'll always have a soft spot for the 3650, my very first cell phone.

The selected few... (1)

mxcantor (315879) | more than 9 years ago | (#12764706)

If you live in Japan (like me) or Europe (like, um, other people) look at the Sony Ericsson 802se (v800 in Europe). Now that tiger has come out and it is fully supported (as opposed to hackably supported) I love it. But, if you live in my native America, where cell phones with DSL speed internet, >1 megapix cameras, j2me, etc can't be had at all, let alone for the >$100 that I paid for it.

Treo 650 (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 9 years ago | (#12764849)

I got one a few weeks ago and it's fantastic. The Palm OS is so much easier to deal with than the typical cellphone OS'es. Bluetooth is there, you can set the ring to whatever you want, and you can get one without a camera if you want to. It's more phone than you asked for, but as someone who appreciates a good OS, consider it.

Plus having an ssh and IMAP/SSL client that can get a STARTTLS connection on submission right on the first try is worth the expense.

Treo 650 (2, Interesting)

Hackysack (21649) | more than 9 years ago | (#12764944)

On any GSM provider (Cingular in the US; Rogers, Fido in Canada, any in Europe) the Treo650 is a marvelous companion to yer laptop.

Bluetooth hotsych (not with isync that I could find), Bluetooth Dialup GRPS connection. And VNC client for your laptop for the phone.

Just please do be careful if you're roaming and GPRSing, my provider and I are still arguing about the 6,000 bill I recieved after a month of using the phone in Italy.

Re:Treo 650 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12765715)

Great phone, video camera, can use TomTom5 GPS over Bluetooth, Great PIM, Calc, etc.
PalmOS means a lot of things are possible (SSH, Mergic VPN, VNC, QuickOffice, Acrobat Reader, Real Player) up to 1gb SD cards. Salling Clicker works great.

Bluetooth support on the Treo650 is very limited. You cannot use it as a companion wher you dial and SMS from Address Book.
You cannot iSync it over Bluetooth. You can send vcards over Bluetooth to the phone. It only supports OBEX object push, and Dialup with some tweaking.
No proper backup to memory card

Motorola V710 (1)

Horrortaxi (803536) | more than 9 years ago | (#12764981)

I just got a Motorola V710 from Verizon. I think it's Verizon's only Bluetooth phone at the moment. There's a healthy dose of good and bad here. The good is that it's a very good phone--strong signal and sound quality, it works with iSync (USB only though), I use it as a wireless modem with my PowerBook and don't have to pay any special fees (it just counts against my minutes--not super fast but faster than dialup). The bad mostly comes from Verizon's crippling of the phone with firmware. It can do a lot of things, but they are things that Verizon charges for so they crippled them (uploading ringtones, downloading pictures, bluetooth file transfer). There are ways around most of that though.

SonyEricsson K700i and Siemens S55 (1)

VDM (231643) | more than 9 years ago | (#12766179)

I have an old Siemens S55, and a SonyEricsson K700i.
Both work with iSync and GPRS connection; with Panther, you have to start pairing from the cell phone for the K700i.
If I remember well, there could be some problem with all-day events from iCal.
K700 (and S700) have a free application from Salling Clicker to use them as mouse and controller for many apps (though less powerful than Salling Clicker).
In addition to that, there exists Romeo, a freeware alternative to Salling Clicker. Neither application runs with the S55.

SE the way to go (1)

CoolBru (798217) | more than 9 years ago | (#12766291)

I've tried quite a few phones. The key stumbling block at the moment is that iSync's phone support is very out of date - a large number of currently model phones are not supported.

The Nokia 6600 in theory works very well, though in practice the OS/firmware on it is horribly buggy and unreliable (mine has now died completely) - hopefully this will be fixed in later models like the 6630, 6680, 6681 and N70 - none of which are yet supported by iSync. In general, I'm not impressed with Symbian at all, nor by Nokia's UIs for it. Having said that, Sendo's X2 looks pretty cool.
My best experiences have been with Sony Ericssons, principally the T610 which has been utterly flawless - SE just seem to do bluetooth right (they did invent it!).
SE's K700i has more OS X compatibility features than any other phone that's officially supported, so I'd say that it's probably the best current choice, however, the new K750i has some really compelling features (like the first camera worth having) and it's hackable to work with iSync (I'm awaiting delivery).
Recently I've been subject to an exceedingly dumb Windows SPV C500 "SmartPhone" which is quite unbelievably bad. I don't even see how it could work well with Windows.
Motorolas typically suffer from incredibly bad UIs, so I'd steer clear from them on that basis.

TREO 650 (1)

xxxdtox (890724) | more than 9 years ago | (#12768011)

this has been my first move away from a simple phone. i love it. i can almost travel without a laptop. the sync works well. the phone is great with a good earbud. the beam function is great to send small things to others who also have a Treo. the ringtones suck. the camera sucks but the screen resolution is great. i can not imagine going back to a regular phone.

here's a crazy idea: (1)

amnesiacdotorg (738760) | more than 9 years ago | (#12771638)

get rid of the cell phone entirely.

if you live in a major cell market, go to verizon wireless business ( broadband/index.jsp [] ) i've purchased the audiovox pc 5220 pcmcia card, which is compatible with the powerbook . i'm planning on using voice over ip and saying goodbye to phones that never quite have the exact functionality that i want anyway . EVDO 3g speeds are blazing fast, especially near the interstate here . for $79.99/month, you have wireless broadband "nationwide" (which remains to be seen) and you can use it as a phone as well.

SonyEricsson K750i (1)

network23 (802733) | more than 9 years ago | (#12771806)

Always, always, always select SonyEricsson phones. They are by far the best phones available with an excellent user interface. And they are always 100 per cent Mac compatible. A lot of their developers in Lund, Sweden, uses Macs and iPods.

If you are living in the "free" mobile world (outside USA) the by far best phone is the SonyEricsson K750i [] . It is small but packs everything you need; excellent color screen, superfast Java, an useful camera (2 mpix), bluetooth, ir, usb (cable included), mp3/aac-player (no wma allowed) with external buttons for play, pause, next, prev and sound, playlists, video, memory card (64 MB included, mine is 1 GB, stereo phones (included) and fantastic sound quality, almost a week standby time, animated backgrounds and tons of other features...

Listen up! Motorola is crap, Nokia has lost it and the Asian companies don't understand quality.

SonyEricsson rocks and the K750i is a masterpiece. []

Sony-Ericsson T610 (1)

StandardDeviant (122674) | more than 9 years ago | (#12772500)

I've been using a Sony Ericsson T610 (US, T-Mobile) with my powerbook since this spring and so far everything has worked very well. (Syncing contacts, dialup over bluetooth/gprs, etc.) Plus the T610 has a nice aluminum minimalist look that goes well with the powerbook if you care about such things. (It has also worked pretty well with my palm T2. I seem to have assembled an array of aluminum bluetooth devices without really noticing it.)

It does have a camera, but on the other hand it ships with a default ring tone of "old phone" or somesuch that sounds just like ... a regular old rotary telephone. Soothing in a sorta retro way.

The newer Sony-Ericsson line might work well too, but the 610 is starting to get pretty cheap on the used market and is a solid little phone. The only quibble I have with it is that (probably primarily due to the size of the phone itself) the reception isn't the best. Still servicable, but if you're used to a larger phone with a comparably larger antenna you might be irritated.

Nokia= Yes Sony=No (1)

bleepbleep (741779) | more than 9 years ago | (#12776085)

I strongly recommend you do not buy a Sony phone. Do not be duped by the marketing, like I was. Having used Nokias happily for years, but frustrated at the lack of support for my 6310i in iSync, I bought a Sony K700i. This was inspite of warnings from a friend who had made the same mistake and already swapped back to Nokia. I thought I knew better. After all it promised better battery life, bluetooth iSync, camera, colour etc etc.

In practise it is almost useless as a phone.

1. The joystick does not work. Sometimes not at all, othertimes it selects instead of moves. It's clearly a rubbish design.

2. The GUI is terrible. Really bad. It's easier for me to type numbers in full than look them up in the address book. What took 2 button presses on a Nokia takes, 3 or 4 on the Sony including having to use the infernal joystick. I invariably end up calling the wron number as it selects instead of scrolls.

3. The synch with iSync is extremely buggy. It often crashes and locks up the phone. It duplicates entries. Address Book entries which are Companies appear with a blank name on the phone. Great.

4. Battery life is about 3 days of moderate use. I got 7 days plus out of my 6310i.

5. Build. It just feels cheap plasticy, despite the fact it looks rather nice and metallic in the press shots. It has horrible hard plastic buttons.

6. Text messaging. I don't text anymore. It's just too depressing trying to navigate around to be able to send a text and select someone in the phonebook to send it too. Quicker to make a phone call.

As soon as I can upgrade I will go back to Nokia. Probably a 6230i. AFAIK it doesn't synch with iSync. I don't care it will at least function solidly as a phone.

Disagree - have had them all. Sony Ericsson P910i (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12790157)

Have had everything PDA and mobile phone over the years. The Sony Ericsson P910i absolutely is the best Phone/PDA on the market for use with Apple. Period. Bluetooth sync, flawless everything and an outstanding phone no.1 followed closely be being an excellent PDA no. 2.

SE710A (1)

bertbrain (814637) | more than 9 years ago | (#12776692)

The SonyEricsson S710a is nice, full Tiger sync and works on the Edge network with Cingular as a reasonably fast bluetooth modem for my Powerbook, no crippled BT features. I wish it did not have a camera but just try to get a phone with those other features w/o a camera. I use it with BluePhone elite for proximity and CID links to the laptop. Quite sweet, I suffered for ages with Verizon's crappy phone selection to take advantage of their superior network but now that Cingular is getting it together networkwise it was time to switch. All the phone tech's I spoke to agree that SE is the most compatible with the Mac platform, and the build quality on the S710 is superb.
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