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PlayStation 3 HDD to Ship With Linux

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the penguin-in-every-hard-drive dept.

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timtwobuck writes "Gamespot.com is reporting that Ken Kutaragi, president of Sony Computer Entertainment, has disclosed in an interview that PlayStation 3 will natively run Linux. In fact, it will come bundled with it, if you purchase the HDD peripheral." From the article: "But while Linux would require a hard drive to run on, Kutaragi told Impress PC Watch, 'We're not going to equip [the PS3 with] a HDD by default, because no matter how much [capacity] we put in it, it won't be enough.' It was unclear whether he was referring to the previously known fact that the PS3 would not have an internal hard drive or whether he was indicating that the device would not come with the external 2.5-inch detachable HDD outlined in the specs revealed at E3."

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Will it come with a spellchecker? (0, Troll)

Bongoots (795869) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780214)

So that when people submit articles to Slashdot, they won't be made up entirely of spelling errors..

OK, but... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780216)

...does it run linux? Err, nevermind.

Further ... (0)

Luscious868 (679143) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780411)

...does it run linux? Err, nevermind.

Further, does it support Ogg? Er, nevermind.

Re:OK, but... (1, Interesting)

rovingeyes (575063) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780412)

Unfortunately "does it run linux?" is a question that has lost its meaning. Other day one of my friends saw my xbox and asked me this very question. I said yes...and after a couple of seconds I asked him "why? does it matter?". His reply - "its just cool". He even doesn't have a freakin clue what to do with it? Sad, but Linux just like video games is fast losing its "nerdy" qualities.

Moments. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780217)

Post some embarrassing Slashdot moments you can remember to this thread.

Here's a few:
Someone spelling 'rhetoric' as 'rederick'.
Michael adding an ALL CAPS bile-frothing rant to the front page.
Trying to fake support for your opinion on slashdot, but forgetting to post anonymously.

Re:Moments. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780273)

Misspelling "will come"?

But... (-1, Offtopic)

TrippTDF (513419) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780221)

Will it run wind $*%&%NO CARRIER$^^%#$

Re:But... (-1, Redundant)

jabex (320163) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780235)

Wait, OS X is moving to the Playstation pla$*%&%NO CARRIER$^^%#$

Re:But... (-1, Redundant)

TrippTDF (513419) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780269)

no! Playstation OS coming to the Atari 26... #^$NO CARRIER#&^#$

Re:But... (1)

lupinstel (792700) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780385)

I don't know why you people keep typing NO CARRIER but I did hear that the PS3 was going too....#^$NO CARRIER#&^#$

Not suprising. (4, Insightful)

mindaktiviti (630001) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780227)

This is not suprising. Of course they wouldn't ship it with Windows, they don't want to fund their direct competitor!

Re:Not suprising. (4, Informative)

alexandreracine (859693) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780242)

The money is made with the hardware (in PS3 case), not directly with the software...

And unless they buy a copy from india (1$), I don't think they will change the price of the PS3 just to include Windows.

Re:Not suprising. (3, Insightful)

mindaktiviti (630001) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780296)

Yes, but they wouldn't even buy it from India. They wouldn't even put it in if they got it for free, simply because Microsoft = XBox = competitor.

Re:Not suprising. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780367)

The money is made with the hardware (in PS3 case), not directly with the software...And unless they buy a copy from india (1$), I don't think they will change the price of the PS3 just to include Windows.

Impressive. I believe that you have missed the point on multiple levels:

First of all, Sony makes money on the games themselves, not on the PlayStation Box. Every time you buy a game for the PS (EA or any other game maker), you are sending a few bucks to Sony. Millions of games results in millions of dollars in profits.

Secondly, Sony does NOT want to send money to Microsoft. If they put Windows on the PS3, then every time someone purchased a PS3, some money would end up in the pocket of Microsoft. Why would Sony want to fund their primary competitor in the games market?

Here's a snapshot of the EULA (0, Troll)

arothstein (233805) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780264)

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Re:Not suprising. (5, Interesting)

Spy Hunter (317220) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780341)

What are you talking about? This is very surprising. It doesn't have to come with a PC OS at all. Listen to this quote: "It will become completely open if we equip it with Linux, and programmers will be able to do anything with it." This is a total about-face from the normal attitude console makers have, which is "we control the hardware, we control the software, and you can't do anything we don't like with it or we'll sue you."

Of course, no matter what exact words are coming out of Kutaragi's mouth, I'm sure what he *really* means is closer to the second statement. But it's interesting that they are trying to position the PS3 as a real computer, not just a game console. If they really do equip it with Linux and provide dev tools, they won't be able to control the resulting flood of hacks, emulators, media center applications, indie games, and the like.

Re:Not suprising. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780404)

It is especially not suprising as there is currently a linux kit that sony sells for the ps2, it only makes sense that it will be in the ps3.

Btw. with linux they would be able to edit the OS to suit the ps3's hardware natively. It is a very good move by sony.

Re:Not suprising. (-1, Offtopic)

Jozer99 (693146) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780479)

But can you run Lin...oh wait...well then...can you make it into a beowolf cluster?

Re:Not suprising. (1, Insightful)

zzendpad (84506) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780484)

So why do Sony Vaio machines ship with Windows, then?

Open source? (2, Interesting)

AviN456 (863971) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780232)

If it's running linux, do you think that the open source nature will help with emulation programs? What about running other emulators on the PS3? Perhaps that was part of Sony's strategy. Hell, it might even run WINE fairly well.

Re:Open source? (3, Insightful)

iapetus (24050) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780244)

No. WINE is not an emulator, Cell is not an x86 chip.

Re:Open source? (2, Informative)

listen (20464) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780372)

But it is possible QEMU could be ported, and Transitive almost certainly would be willing to work with sony on this.... their stuff has been used for PS2 games before along with Cedega.
So wine could work using either of these options.

Re:Open source? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780455)

"Hey, we have developed a cool but hard-to-program-for architecture!"

"Let's ship Linux with it and let the geek community do the R&D for everyone."

(sounds good to me, btw)

Re:Open source? (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780456)

WINE is not an emulator

But Bochs [sourceforge.net] is. And running ReactOS [reactos.com] on top of it would give a completely free Windows replacement. If ReactOS were already ready, of course :-)

Re:Open source? (3, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780327)

Well you could not run JUST Wine. You would need Wine with a cpu emulator or a JIT compiler.
The other issue will be the tool chain. Can you get a compiler for the Cell? Most emulators do not do a lot of FP so the Cells will probably not be used much for the lower end emulators.
The compiler/tool chain is going to be critical. GCC for what I have seen is not very good at vectors. For a lot of Cell development a compiler the can generate vector code will be extermly useful if not vital. Maybe Intel and or IBM could help out GCC in that area?

Re:Open source? (1)

MS-06FZ (832329) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780391)

The Linux kit on the PS2 was rather limited in what it would allow you to do - access to memory cards, etc. was restricted, and I think there were restrictions on what programs you could run, too. Best bet for open-source is to wait for someone to find an exploit to crack the system's security, or get a mod chip...

Re:Open source? (2, Insightful)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780442)

It couldn't run wine nativly , but could it run Mac on linux

Linux bluetoooth support ? (1, Offtopic)

rokzy (687636) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780233)

what's the state of linux bluetooth support (for bluetooth keyboard and mouse) ?

Re:Linux bluetoooth support ? (3, Informative)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780268)

Stable but wonky interface, in my experience. You have to manually poke it to get it to attach to a
new device, and at least on my belkin parts you have to manually switch crypto off and then back on.
Oh, and anybody in the world can listen in on your keypress events, but that's not a Linux thing,
that's an auto-selected 4 numeral PIN thing ;)

Re:Linux bluetoooth support ? (2, Informative)

dieman (4814) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780312)

Very good, it works great with Ubuntu and Debian as long as you can deal with setting up some things by hand (ie: editing /etc/default/bluez-utils and some files in /etc/bluetooth/)

You'll also need to setup HIDD and after the drivers and bluez-util init script has been ran just run "hidd --connect ".

For bluetooth keyboards you'll need another keyboard around to type a pin in. then type the pin into your new bluetooth keyboard to pair it.

It takes me about 5 minutes at worst these days to get a new bluetooth install going. Be sure to enable encryption and authentication in hcid.conf, too.

Re:Linux bluetoooth support ? (2, Informative)

blonde rser (253047) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780339)

Check out http://www.bluez.org/ [bluez.org] . I use an apple bluetooth keyboard with my debian system without any kernel patches and it runs overall pretty well (although there are a few glitches). By the time the PS3 comes out I have confidence that it will be completely smooth.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780236)

fp lp

Spelling please? (-1, Offtopic)

Espectr0 (577637) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780237)

On this week's grammar and spelling nazi rant:

Kutaragi not Kutargai

will come not willcom

Thank you for reading another fun-packed issue of the grammar and spelling nazi rant.

Re:Spelling please?: Kutaragi (5, Informative)

Heian-794 (834234) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780364)

The fun-packed grammar and spelling nazi show can be followed by the Useless Japanese Trivia show:

Ken Kutaragi -- in Japanese, v'½--Ç-Ø OE', is one of those lucky fellows with a four-character surname. You can go for years among Japanese people and never meet such a person; it's like having a European-language surname that starts with "X". There are even web sites devoted to listing up all the 4+ character surnames.

And that was Useless Japanese Name Trivia for today!

Re:Spelling please? (0, Offtopic)

DarthVeda (569302) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780371)

You know, everybody sticks it to the editors for bad grammar and spelling control, but you really have to consider all the articles that get rejected. Maybe this was the cream of the crop? Who knows, there could have been a better worded one, but the title was "Playstashun 3"

Not listening to anything re HDD (5, Interesting)

Yoje (140707) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780238)

After the whole fiasco that Sony had with the NA release of HDD (delaying it by years, promising it would do things it never did, then abandoning it completely with the PS2 redesign after being on market less than a year), I'm not beliving anything Sony says about PS3, HDD specs or otherwise, until it is physically at the store available for purchase.

Personally, I think it would be a mistake that they not include an HDD with the console, but considering the rumoured cost of the PS3, it is probably doubtful that it will include one at launch.

Xbox Style Linux (1)

IIDX (873577) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780246)

I wonder how much effort it will take to get a standard distro running on it... a la XBox and Gentoo.

Opening the door for game pirates? (1, Funny)

bfizzle (836992) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780247)

Isn't linux the reason that the xbox is so hackible?

Is this going to make it easier for people looking to copy games?

Re:Opening the door for game pirates? (1)

captain igor (657633) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780304)

No, linux isn't the reason the xbox is so hackable, it because they used off the shelf commodity hardware and didn't properly secure their design.

Re:Opening the door for game pirates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780473)

You're putting a box with computer parts into the hand of anyone who can afford it. It has to be able to accept outside software (e.g. games).

When you have those specifications, can you really secure it all too much?

Re:Opening the door for game pirates? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780314)

No, the xbox is "so hackable" because they leave LPC points on the mobo for testing - it's easy to bypass the bios using these LPC pads and a ground on the d0 pad. It's more accurate to say "hackability is the reason linux runs on the xbox".

Re:Opening the door for game pirates? (1)

lilrowdy18 (870767) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780322)

It didnt run Linux. It ran a strip-downed version of Windows 2000.

That's the reason it was so easily hacked. :)

Price (1)

peeon (743159) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780252)

As long as it brings down the price of the console, I am all for it.

Re:Price (1)

fakedupe (872465) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780368)

Sorry pal,

PS3 is gonna be the most expensive of the bunch.

But... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780255)

Will it run Linux? Oh, whoops... it "willcom" with Linux.

Any more middle-aged geeks out there... (3, Funny)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780267)

...fancy buying a PS3 and joining my "Emacs Exterminators" online editing clan?

We're gonna *TAKE DOWN* those vi fanboys!

Re:Any more middle-aged geeks out there... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780380)

Hmmm... last time I checked "Pest Exterminators" eliminated pests. So, what exactly is your clan's objective?

Might I suggest the following?
:s/Emacs/Vi
:)

Re:Any more middle-aged geeks out there... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780439)

Nano?

Re:Any more middle-aged geeks out there... (1, Funny)

myc_lykaon (645662) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780462)

So you are suggesting that Emacs is going to be able to *fit* on the hard drive? That's one big motha. -- This religious war was brought to you with the letters V and E and the numbers 6, 6 & 6.

One more battle one by the good guys! (1, Interesting)

Enoch Lockwood (889602) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780270)

Hooray!

Isn't this incredible. A few years ago they wouldn't have touched Linux with a ten foot pole and now they're embracing Free Software.

This, people, is a bloodless revolution in action. Something to tell your grandchildern about. "What's that grandpa? How could software have been anything but free?"

Re:One more battle one by the good guys! (1)

WiKKeSH (543962) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780416)

You can uby a linux kit for PS2@, also.
It doesn't work with the newer slim PS2, though.

Re:One more battle one by the good guys! (1)

jasonsock (791459) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780418)

Where a few years is greater than the 4 or 5 years they've been already pushing Linux on the PS2

Re:One more battle one by the good guys! (1)

ozric99 (162412) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780452)

A few years ago they wouldn't have touched Linux with a ten foot pole and now they're embracing Free Software.

Yeah, it's not as if Sony had already released a linux kit for the PS2 [playstation2-linux.com] or anything...

Don't get me wrong - linux on PS3 is great news (if it's hackable) but this is evolution, not revolution.

My God Is The PS3 Looking Sweet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780272)

Just wait till you guys start to hear more about the Linux Cell workstations in addition to the PS3 Linux stuff.

Cell is turning out to be the most amazing chip I'v ever coded for.

You want one NOW. Believe me...

Re:My God Is The PS3 Looking Sweet (1)

euricochan (600638) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780340)

I want to hack one as well! Black market cell chips?

Why? (1)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780275)

Seriously, why? It's not like the addition of Linux on the hard drive is going to garner any more sales of the product.

Why not just let those people who really want to download Linux and run it on their PS3 (all, what, a couple of thousand maybe, if that?) to do that and spend your corporate time and effort into something else?

Hell, I'm all for adoption of other operating systems, but I really can't work out what advantages this is going to give anyone - save for about 10 minutes of downloading and transferring over to the PS3 for the small legion of hardcore individuals who want to give this a go.

Re:Why? (1)

prufrax (521403) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780362)

It'll be like the Linux for PS2, and the original PlayStation Yaroze:
A cheap kit (compared to the full official dev kit!) to let small and homebrew games designers have a chance to learn how to code for the thing and to put together prototypes when proposing to publishers.

Re:Why? (1)

krgallagher (743575) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780397)

" Seriously, why? It's not like the addition of Linux on the hard drive is going to garner any more sales of the product."

Just off the top of my head, it adds a full suite of internet applications. Adding Linux lets the console become an internet appliance. Besides, someone is going to port Linux to it as soon as it comes out. Why not let the manufacturer do it.

Re:Why? (2, Insightful)

Delwin (599872) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780423)

Simple - becasue they will get FOSS people to help them with the API's. Not only that but this means that there is already a Linux ported to Cell, so that's proof that it works for IBM to start selling Cell PC's. All in all it doesn't cost them much to put it on the HDD but they get good press, a few more sales, and most importantly free dev work to advance the software for Cell (compiler, graphics API's for the chipset that the PS3 uses etc). Remember - this thing won't run Direct X and programming for that many processors (and taking advantage of them) is a real problem. Sony needs all the help it can get.

Re:Why? - Commodore 64 (1)

Is_Slack (891094) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780433)

At one time the commodore 64 was a fairly popular product :-) For those of you too young to remember it was a computer you could plug into your TV and play games and do homework on :-) Could the PS3 move into this niche? From a strategy perspective this makes total sense for Sony. Microsoft is funding their attack on Sony's market with the monopoly rents they are earning from their other business (Windows/Office). If Sony can get kids used to using Linux and the other open source applications it can be another way of chipping away at Microsoft's source of funds. People tend to use what they are familar with which is why Bill is always willing to pay fines in the form of giving software to schools.

Gotta go. (1, Insightful)

jericho4.0 (565125) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780281)

I have to go to work, so I'll keep this short;

YES! OMG YES!!!! This is a dream come true. Thank you Sony. Thank you IBM. WTF is this in the Games section? This is big news for a sub set of geeks. This will be the largest installed base linux has, on interesting hardware.

Re:Gotta go. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780401)

Yah I just got done telling someone I would never buy a console but now I actually want one.

Won't be enough? (5, Insightful)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780290)

'We're not going to equip [the PS3 with] a HDD by default, because no matter how much [capacity] we put in it, it won't be enough.'

Nonesense. Never came close to filling up the 8gig on my Xbox, but every game I've played has made use of the HD because they KNOW it will be there.

Of course, since the HD is optional with the PS3, devs will have to assume that it will not be there to reach a wider installed base. PS3 has just made developing for their system more difficult by releasing two products - ones with HDs and ones without.

Even just a small 4gig drive might have been helpful and inexpensive.

Re:Won't be enough? (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780342)

I'm wondering the same thing. Does this mean we get those fun filled 4 minute screen loads like the previous generations? Man I
On a more serious note though... why not just make removable drives ala laptops? Just make them basically hot swap (or at least hot-swap bays). That way you can even sell pre-packaged sony hard drives that have the hot-swap end piece already installed so you can call it "official" and all of us geeks can just buy our own drives... everyone wins.

Re:Won't be enough? (4, Funny)

Johnny5000 (451029) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780396)

We're not going to equip [the PS3 with] a HDD by default, because no matter how much [capacity] we put in it, it won't be enough.

I think what he really meant to say was:

We're not going to equip [the PS3 with] a HDD by default, because no matter how much [money we make on the PS3] it won't be enough [when we can make a bit more by milking extra money out of customers for a HDD]

Re:Won't be enough? (1)

TheBlackSwordsman (870838) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780437)

Of course, since the HD is optional with the PS3, devs will have to assume that it will not be there to reach a wider installed base. PS3 has just made developing for their system more difficult by releasing two products - ones with HDs and ones without.

I guess the Xbox 360 will also be difficult to develop for, as Microsoft is releasing two versions of the console - one with a HD, one without.

Re:Won't be enough? (3, Informative)

hollismb (817357) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780467)

Wrong. You're basing that off really old rumors that turned out not to be true. Microsoft is shipping all XBOX 360s with a 20 Gig HD, included in the box. It's removable to be upgradable and portable so you can take your data/saves/music with you to use on other XBOX 360s though.

Re:Won't be enough? (1)

euricochan (600638) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780483)

I think that besides making less money, the HDTV integration could mean using the PS3 as a video recorder. How much space do you need to save your favorite HDTV sitcoms?

Mixed Feelings (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780298)

I feel like I'm being pulled two ways. I use Debian on a few systems, but I love my XBox.

Should I support companies that support OSS, or should I buy a console based on its merits as a game console? X360 or PS3?

I'll have to wait and see.

Good strategy (3, Insightful)

killtherat (177924) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780305)

It's a good marketing play. It just shifted my preference toward PS3 and away from Xbox360. The ability to use Linux on a system with some rather exotic symmetrical processors, and play all previous PS titles. Right now, all Xbox 360 has going for it is the promise of Halo 3.

Who's doing the port? (1)

The Dodger (10689) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780307)

IBM?

And lindows is no longer linux... (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780310)

"Of course, the PS3 can run Linux. If Linux can run, so can Lindows."

apparently Lindows is no longer a form of linux :/ Perhaps they need to give these guys a bit more training so that they don't sound like idiots in interviews.

So... (0)

brontus3927 (865730) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780311)

You can actually make a Beowolf cluster out of PS3's then? Finally, the joke works!!!! Finally!!!!!!

obligitory.... (3, Funny)

zxnos (813588) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780323)

...yes, but does it run windows?

;P

PS3 will play ogg! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780325)

After it has been converted to ATRAC.

Windows or Mac on PS3! (4, Insightful)

inkdesign (7389) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780333)

Other PC Operating Systems can run too, such as Windows and Tiger (Max OS X 10.4), if the publishers want [them] to do so. That happening seems so far-fetched to me that its very mention undermines the believability of anything else said in the article. That said, it is good to hear Sony will continue to support linux on PlayStation.

ps3 as pc? (5, Insightful)

rawmule (744495) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780335)

This announcement makes me wonder if Sony is positioning ps3 as a general purpose pc replacement. If the HDD includes not only the kernel but a windowing environment(KDE, gnome, etc...), I could see more than a few people using ps3 as thier primary web/email/office box. Assuming that it has keyboard/mouse support, the ps3 has more than enough power to handle normal pc usage.

GPL and ps3 games on my desktop (reverse hack) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780349)

if it runs linux, and they release ps3.linux source then running all those games on my desktop should be possible.

instead of hacking the ps3 to running linux, I am going to hack my desktop to run ps3. nice.
noop

Re:GPL and ps3 games on my desktop (reverse hack) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780424)

Unless you can somehow code the clusterfuck that will be the PS3's THREE cell processors (the one dedicated for sound has the main controller chip and 3 sub-cores, and the others, from what I've heard as rumors have up to 9 sub-cores... so unless you got a shiny 20-core AMD64 floating around that doesn't exist yet... fat chance.

PS2 Linux (1)

vasqzr (619165) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780359)

Was the Playstation 2 Linux even usable for much? I remember a few screenshots here and there, but I can't imagine it would be useful for much.

Pnoppix (1)

0xABADC0DA (867955) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780360)

They should ship it with a knoppix-like distro on DVD. With that much space they could put basically everything in the known, open-source universe on it. Could even use the memory cards for some small amounts of data.

Re:Pnoppix (1)

WiKKeSH (543962) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780459)

Everything, eh? Not even close... Hell, the newest debian release comes on 2 DVDs, doesn't it? And that probably only includes 'free' software, not software under 'non-free' oss licenses.

Sony Taking Advantage of the Homebrew Crowd? (1)

ultimabaka (864222) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780366)

As unbelievably beautiful as Sony's hardware can be, Sony has a long-standing history of creating atrocious proprietary software to support it. So this strikes me as a surprisingly smart move for them. Let them create a semi-decent Linux environment (it's not like they don't already exist in Pocket PCs, smartphones, etc.), and let dedicated programmers create excellent software for the PS3 for free.

It kills two birds with one stone very efficiently dontcha think?

Re:Sony Taking Advantage of the Homebrew Crowd? (2)

0kComputer (872064) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780472)

Yeah, I'm sure all the applications written will be 100% safe, polished and complete. No chance of installing trojans, bots, malware etc... Great fucking idea until the most massive DDOS ever hits the country, all coming from comprimised linux/PS3 zombies.

The irony will be tragic.

My Wish (2, Interesting)

Adrilla (830520) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780374)

I wish that you didn't have to buy a proprietary HDD from Sony, because you know that the markup on a "Sony Brand HDD" is going to be way over that of normal store bought computer HDD, even though the Sony HDD is just a regular hard drive that's not even made by Sony. I'm also wondering what capacity limit it will recognize. The PS2 will only recognize up to 127 Gigs (even though the PS2 drive is only 40G). If we're lucky they'll let you use a 3rd party drive via USB. The ideal would be to let us use 3rd party drives and let us download the version of linux they're offering.

PS: I also hope they allow you to do more with the HDD this time around. The only thing my PS2 drive was good for was 'FFXI' (which I barely played) and to watch live highlights from my ESPN NFL 2K5 games. And take a hint from the XBOX, let us rip our own music to the HDD so we can make our own in game playlists.

With what apps? (1)

bluGill (862) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780377)

With what linux apps. A bare OS is kind of useless. Particularly if they don't include init, some getty, X, or even a frame buffer console.

A PS3 on a HDTV, running KDE, kword, and konqueror would be sweet. (If you are GNOME fan just substitute their equivalents) Unfortunately, nearly all homes have a computer these days, so it isn't the advantage that it could have been in the past.

Then again Atari's XEGS didn't sell, despite having a good enough word processor (for the day).

Huh? (2, Interesting)

CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780387)

Can anyone understand what this guy is saying? It seems like everything he says he says the opposite like 2 seconds later!

"We're not going to equip [the PS3 with] an HDD by default."

"So in order to declare that the PS3 is a computer, I think we'll have [the PS3's HDD] preinstalled with Linux as a bonus."

Basically he wants to have PS3 seen as a computer not just a game machine. OK, fine. He says to do this it will need as OS (Linux) to be installed on the HDD. OK, fine. But PS3 won't ship with a HDD. OK, .. but...I thought...WTF!

What Heck of a Console! (1)

schestowitz (843559) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780402)

Who wouldn't buy, only to play the game that no-one can resist compiling Linux Kernel on the playstation. That sure can keep one up until 5 AM.

Salesman: Here you see the latest XBox which render a zillions polygons per second.

Customer: Does it come with gcc?

Salesman: Is that one of the latest patches?

Customer: *sign* Not interested...

linux fetish (2, Insightful)

griasr (822487) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780410)

me as a linux fetish put all my hopes and prayers into sonys PS3. since apple/microsoft/intel more and more try to get rid of us linuxers i think the future of linux is in the cell processor. also the ps3 used as standardized personalcomputer would take away a lot of work to figure out drivers and sh*t.

entertainment supercomputer (1)

0kComputer (872064) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780413)

C'mon, seriously guys. Is anyone going to give up their standard PC for a PS3? I doubt it. I can see this being usefull as maybe a jukebox or movie player, other media tasks, but beyond that im just not seeing its usefullness. Im not going to compose emails and other things from my fricking lazyboy. My gaming system is for games and entertainment, my PC is mostly for apps and work. They are in different rooms, i like it that way.

Optional Hard Drive? (4, Insightful)

LordBodak (561365) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780417)

Terrible move by Sony. Developers ignored the PS2 hard drive because the installed base was so low, and I'm sure PS3 will be the same way.

Re:Optional Hard Drive? (2, Interesting)

imthesponge (621107) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780471)

Maybe they could have installed a small flash drive that works in lieu of the optional drive, so that developers would be more inclined to use the feature.

They want to keep it "open" (1)

lakcaj (811907) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780420)

From the article:

It can connect a keyboard, and it has all the necessary interfaces. It can run media, and it can run on a network. It's got such an all-around purpose, and it's open. It will become completely open if we equip it with Linux, and programmers will be able to do anything with it.

The Cell is poorly suited as a general purpose CPU (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780444)

The Cell is poorly suited as a general purpose CPU. The best use of a Cell would be eaither in a Tivo or on a graphics card. probabky not on a video game machine and certainly not on a computer.

Reason shining through (1)

tezza (539307) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780451)

because no matter how much [capacity] we put in it, it won't be enough... over the lifetime of the system.

Sounds like a sensible approach, well explained. Why cannot more tech companies show the same restraint on features and hype??

Size (1)

varmittang (849469) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780457)

I believe that they don't want to ship it with a hard drive because if they ship a 40 gig hard drive, people will complain that it should have 60 gigs. Others will say 80 gig is what they need, others 100 gigs, everyone will want to special order the size they want. Sony doesn't want to do that, or ship 40 gig PS3 models out to Eb game stores and have them not sell. If you want to add a HD, you can do it later, and I'm sure they will show you how its done and make it and easy upgrade so you can choose the size. This is what happened with the Xbox, everyone that wanted a larger drive had to crack it open, and put it in. External is much easier to deal with, and the user can choose.

Becoming hyped and ruining gaming simultaneously. (2, Insightful)

JonLatane (750195) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780458)

I, for one, think this is a big mistake. At the risk of sounding like a troll, I'm going to tell the truth for once. Sony is appealing to all the little boys out there that are not secure with the image of video games as toys - it's the same situation as the whole "action figure/doll" thing.

In TFA, Kutaragi says "even though we're making something that has the capability to be recognized as a supercomputer and requires paperwork when exporting or importing, the government sees it as a 'toy.'" Obviously, this is a ridiculous statement. The new consoles are extremely powerful, but Kutaragi completely ignores the fact that the lack of memory in all three consoles reduces them to just above the status of today's computers - nowhere near a supercomputer.

The problem here is that Sony is pushing video game systems as "entertainment supercomputers." That's not what they should be for, and that's why the quality of Sony games really hasn't improved. They're not pushing innovation. The EyeToy is a neat idea, but every game for it is basically an oversized minigame. And that's been pretty much all their innovation since... well, since they decided to make the PS1.

However, Sony's business model is obviously the most successful. I have a feeling that, unfortunately, Nintendo may die out in this or the next generation of consoles. They may last longer in the handheld industry, but kids these days want hookers, blood, and gore in their games, rather than fun, replayability, and innovation. Microsoft will increase its market share, and the competition between Sony and MS will drive gaming to a low point, as the market becomes saturated with racers, shooters, and dull, homoegeneous platformers. Eventually consumers will realize what they've done and - I hope - there will be an upwelling of creativity in games.

well then (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780466)

if the PS3 can run Linux, and if someone writes a Xbox 360 emulator, we'll be able to compare which console really is better...

I think. ^_^

Huh? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12780470)

Does this sentence strike anyone else as bizzarely phrased?

If we read the last part of the sentence, it says:
"no matter how much [capacity] we put in it, it won't be enough."

I take that to mean that the PS3 requires a lot of storage capacity. BUT, then the sentence says "We're not going to equip [the PS3 with] a HDD by default because [of this]."

That makes no sense whatsoever. If the PS3 requires large storage capacity, then that is even MORE reason to include the Hard Disk Drive.

In other words, this sentence (which is at the heart of the news clip), is logically FLAWED.

This is the equivalent of saying "No matter how big we make the gas tank on this new car that we are building, it won't be big enough. So our new car won't have any gas tank at all."

Does this make any sense?? NO!

I wish people would read what they write out loud, to make sure that it is logically consistent.

I'd be more enthusiastic if... (1)

goldenratiophi (878655) | more than 9 years ago | (#12780482)

..."Xbox 360 to ship with Linux" was the title.
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