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Nokia and Intel Group Up To Develop WiMax

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the mucho-wifi dept.

Wireless Networking 91

WhichHost writes "Nokia and Intel's new alliance is aiming at creating and refining the power of "WiMax" as a new form of mobile-WiFi for devices such as laptops, cell-phones, etc. This is just the first step in making high-speed wireless networking available to the entire world. Covered at InformationWeek and Forbes as well." From the article: "Nokia and Intel Corp.'s development plans focus on mobile WiMax, which allows for roaming among base stations, as opposed to fixed WiMax, which is considered a replacement for DSL and cable lines."

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Thanks Slashdot! (0, Troll)

garcia (6573) | more than 8 years ago | (#12816698)

Thanks editors for posting another week old story to the front page. What ever happened to being at the forefront of the news game? I remember when this was the place to get information ahead of everyone else... Now we get links to 4 day old articles that I know I read about even before that.

Are you too busy approving stuff in the submission queue that is really just duplicates of what we have already read?

Get with it.

Re:Thanks Slashdot! (2, Funny)

garcia (6573) | more than 8 years ago | (#12816794)

Troll? No, it's not a troll. "Stuff that matters" is stuff that's from the last 24 hours. Stuff that's 4 days old doesn't matter anymore.

Re:Thanks Slashdot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12816898)

damn, somebody is edgy today...

Re:Thanks Slashdot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12816974)

Guess what? /. posts what it's USERS SUBMIT... this is not a site people scouring the internet for the hottest news. You want more up-to-date info? fucking submit it, dude. /. is what it's users make of it.

Re:Thanks Slashdot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12817149)

So /. sucks cuz we post old shit over and over?

Re:Thanks Slashdot! (2, Insightful)

Atzanteol (99067) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817968)

What ever happened to being at the forefront of the news game?

Stuff that matters... Where does it say "late breaking" and "up to the minute news?" In what world do you live in that /. was ever up to the minute?

Agreed (1)

shmlco (594907) | more than 8 years ago | (#12820297)

This used to be the place where the OTHER sites got their leads. Now it seems all /. can do is rehash and repeat (several times) week-old news reported elsewhere...

WTF! Mike Jackson! (1)

heauxmeaux (869966) | more than 8 years ago | (#12816704)

Mike Jackson touched my junk with his NOSEBONE!

Sickety-sick.

Pitiful. Follow-trhough on that set up next time! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12816769)

There's a new "Batman" movie coming out. Get to work.

And I'm still waiting for some decent Jessica Lynch slash fiction. Be sure to include camel spiders in the ass-rape scene.

The Freak must pay! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12816883)

I don't understand.

You guys have the right to bear arms but you did nothing to correct this hideous miscarriage of justice.

Come on, by law you can buy anti-materiel/anti-personnel guns like this [wikipedia.org] and still no-one took a shot at the MJ convoy yesterday! I was watching the entire thing because I was waiting for someone to blow that freak up. Goddamn Iraqis are doing a better job with IEDs than you!

Re:The Freak must pay! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12816948)

Bitch, nobody cares about Michael Jackson. It's all about the trolling. Now get cracking, I want 3000 words on the Lyndie England / Jessica Lynch lesbian love dungeon, now!

What Jessica really needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12817070)

Jessica went and fastened herself down as best as she could. Now
obviously she could never do all of her straps, but like Lynndie
cared?????????? Jessica was on a box frame. Very old fashioned, a simple
square frame. But Lynndie liked its simplicity for this reason. She had made
very minor changes to it. After fastening the final strap locking the whore
Jessica in place, Lynndie was glad to show off.

This is, (looking directly at Jessica),so simple. I do NOT say it
will bring out the best in you slut, I am saying though that it is the best
for all around spanking and whipping. When you first looked it did look
like a square. But when you looked closer you saw the hinges. Small hinges
that would allow me to bend you nearly any way I want to.

Walking over, Lynndie fastened the last cuff, making sure Jessica was
firmly tightened down. Lynndie just walked around, slowly circling her slave,
enjoying the moment. Going back to her table, Lynndie picked up a riding
crop, and strode back to Jessica. Lynndie smiled then struck Jessica across the
face with the crop leaving a bright red welt across her cheek. As tears
roll down the slut's face, Lynndie begins to whip her boobs with the riding
crop. Smashing her nipples with the crop brings a delightful scream from
her slave's throat exciting Lynndie even more and causing her to redouble her
tit whipping. After a few minutes, Jessica's boobs are a bright red, bruises
forming, and a little bit of blood trickles from one boob. They are
completely marked by her Mistresses lashings. Lynndie stops to admire her
work, then leans over and licks up the small amount of blood.

Putting the crop down for a moment, Lynndie leans into Jessica and
licks the tears off her face. Digging her fingers into Jessica's boos, Lynndie
steps back pulling the slaves boobs out as far as they will go. Jessica just
whimpers. Lynndie leans forward again and bites down hard on one nipple, her
right hand going between her slave's legs to rub her mound. Lynndie slides two
fingers into her slave's moist pussy and begins finger fucking her.
Kneeling down, she begins to suck on Jessica's clit, her fingers pumping in
and out of the slut's pussy. Jessica begins moaning louder and louder, her
juices wetting her Mistresses face and hand, then she lets out a scream as
she comes. Then she lets out a shriek as she feels her Mistress bite down
hard on her outer labia.

Lynndie stands and rubs her wet face against the whore's lips. Kissing
her softly on the lips Lynndie whispers to her. You are doing splendidly, I am
very proud of you. Jessica's eyes brim with tears of happiness as she gazes
back into her loving Mistresses eyes. Lynndie picks up the crop and begins
rubbing it between Jessica's legs. Soon Jessica is cumming again, her juices
soaking the riding crop in her Mistresses hand. Lynndie raises the crop to her
face and licks some of the slave juice, then presses it to Jessica's face
and watches her lick it totally clean of her juices.

Lynndie steps back and goes behind Jessica. Raising her arm she begins
raining hard blows on Jessica's back. Striking her across her shoulder
blades, and down to her ass and back up. Lynndie keeps up her beating until
Jessica starts to go a bit limp, but Lynndie does not stop. Her slut is still
screaming so nicely. Lynndie feels herself getting wet as nice large bruises
form on Jessica's back. Some of her blows were harder than she realized as
some of the welts are bleeding slightly. Her arm finally grows tired, so
Lynndie steps to Jessica's front, pulling one of her nipples out as far as it
will go, she kisses Jessica, then heads back to her table to sit for
awhile. Sitting down, catching her breath she admires her handiwork. Jessica
is standing again, her face has a bright red welt across it, and below her
neck it is a mass of welts and bruises. Lynndie just loves the way Jessica
looks at her waiting, she knows there will be more punishment shortly.

Re:The Freak must pay! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12817009)

"...You guys have the right to bear arms but you did nothing to correct this hideous miscarriage of justice..."

Uh, so you want someone else to commit murder because you like the freak? Yeah, why not, it's not your ass that could end up in jail with Bubba.

The Apple Nokia Intel Connection (4, Interesting)

isa-kuruption (317695) | more than 8 years ago | (#12816710)

First, Apple and Nokia for new portable web browser [techwhack.com]
Next, Apple and Intel deal to make processors for Apple computers.
Now, Nokia and Intel to make hi-speed wifi.

Will Apple be the first hardware vendor to have a portable device that uses the new hi-speed wifi w/ this browser?

Re:The Apple Nokia Intel Connection (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12816842)

Who cares?

The browser is insignificant. The vendor is insignificant. The only reason WiMax is cool is that it will allow broadbandish speeds from anywhere.

Think VOIP cellphone service.
Think bluetooth enabled phones with laptops that can get broadband from anywhere.

I don't think people are ever going to want to use the internet (in its current form) on 160x160 screens. Specialized GPS using apps for finding directions, sure, but reading slashdot? No.

Maybe email.

Even better than phones are things like WiMax using GPS maps screens in cars. How would you like to have google maps on a screen in your car? What if it had real time traffic information like yahoo maps does. or overlays for restaraunts.

WiMax is awesome, but portable devices like cell phones won't ever really take advantage. (unless the screens get bigger)

WiMax != WiFi (1)

thpr (786837) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817228)

Not your fault, given the summary; however, calling WiMax "high speed wifi" is not correct.

Wi-Fi [wi-fi.org] is a trademark owned by the Wi-Fi Alliance, and is based on various parts of 802.11. It is a wireless local area network standard.

WiMax [wimaxforum.org] is a trademark owned by the WiMax forum, and is 802.16d (Fixed WiMax) and 802.16e (Mobile WiMax) [.16e is not yet ratified by IEEE]. These are wireless metro or wide area network standards (depending on where you feel that difference lies)

The two network technologies will likely co-exist in the future. See this article [extremetech.com] for how their interaction might work out (in the first few paragraphs) [the article refers to fixed WiMax].

Re:The Apple Nokia Intel Connection (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817483)

Somehow, I think that this should have been moderated as "funny", like trying to find the Bacon number of an actor.

Re:The Apple Nokia Intel Connection (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12818277)

As with every other cool technology, Apple will be the first to ship computers with wimax. Think Powerbook.

No Apple is not working with Nokia to develop an iPhone. Most likely they are trying to form standards for software and device interaction so that when Nokia and Apple release wimax devices they will "just work".

Re:The Apple Nokia Intel Connection (1)

DavidSJ (454284) | more than 8 years ago | (#12818983)

Actually, the iBook was the first computer to ship with WiFi, not the PowerBook.

... and Intel and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12816713)

Nokia and Apple and Intel and Nokia and Apple and Intel and...

first post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12816718)

first post!

Explaining ... (3, Funny)

kitzilla (266382) | more than 8 years ago | (#12816734)

... Nokia's announcement yesterday that its new browser is being developed on Apple technology.

The Dark Alliance gathers.

Re:Explaining ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12816789)

Yeah, any time more than two companies get together to create cool technology, it's a 'dark alliance'.

Re:Explaining ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12819314)

The Dark Alliance gathers.
While the big, bumbling Jedi Order (Microsoft) is completely oblivious to what's happening around them. Pretty soon they'll be massacred. Long live Emperor Palpatine!

Real Wilreless; How soon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12816779)

Can we reasonable expect now to have REAL wireless internet over long distance? EDGE/UMTS etc have theoratically broadband-like, but in reality suck ass due to latency & periodic bursts of speed.

Nokia knows how to make some kickass wireless devices & prolly this allaince will herald real wireless broadband.

And, BTW, Insight Cable Broadband sucks ass. (Die bastards, DIE!) I just can't wait for some real competetion in the broadband arena.

wouldn't it be cool (4, Interesting)

toQDuj (806112) | more than 8 years ago | (#12816780)

Now, I must point out that I haven't kept up-to-date with this techniligy, but wouldn't it be cool if all this wireless tech would automatically create a network with its surrounding similar wimax devices?
Does it do this already? sort of like, forming ad hoc networks, pathways through other people's wireless equipment to the nearest internet link?
Or is this just a dream..

B.

Re:wouldn't it be cool (1)

planckscale (579258) | more than 8 years ago | (#12818158)

I think you'd have to be in some pretty serious traffic in order to be able to connect adhoc and to WAP's on the fly like that. Say car1 w/ a WAP is in close proximity long enough to receive your broadcast for an IP. It returns the IP address to you and by the time your IP stack is repaired, it moves behind a big rig. So then you're broadcasting again, and get a WAP on the side of the road. By the time you broadcast, get an IP address, and then connect, you've passed the WAP and no longer receive a signal. So then Car2 with a WAP of a different flavor (802.11A) comes in range but going the opposite way on the other side of the road...

Seems to me like you'd need an array of wireless cards - 2 PCMCIA cards A&G, and 4 USB cards hanging on dongles connected to the roof, and some powerful multihoming software with a multiprocessor PC that could easily switch and aquire multiple IP addresses and autoswitching signal strength detectors.

I'm pretty much brainstorming but it sounds pretty difficult with existing technology to maintain a strong signal on the road.

Re:wouldn't it be cool (1)

puhuri (701880) | more than 8 years ago | (#12820917)

Sure, it would be nice to have ad hoc networking, but there are several problems; most visible to user are:

  • battery life, as you wireless device must also relay other people traffic
  • latency, as each wireless hop contributes a delay (WiMAX is better than WiFi, but still)
  • network stability, as radio environment changes (MIMO [wikipedia.org] may help for that)
  • security issues, both for user and provider,

Anyway, I saw recently one slide from Nokia that they estimated that after 4G (that starts around 2010) there won't be a network anymore 2020 as we know it now...

Did You Say INTEL??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12816783)

Time to mention Apple == 3... 2... 1...

Gotta keep Apple on the tips of everybody's tongues, you know. It's all about the S P I N !

How will this affect the greatest company in the world? Did Steve in his magnificence know about this? How is Apple so good while everyone else is so evil? Did you know they invented the GUI? Did you know they're the greatest? How great are they? Supergreat!

Uh... help me out here (1)

mcc (14761) | more than 8 years ago | (#12816833)

Isn't this
  1. 802.16
  2. Old news?
Is the "news" here that Nokia has joined with Intel in promoting WiMax?

Re:Uh... help me out here (5, Interesting)

Nos. (179609) | more than 8 years ago | (#12816958)

Yes, 802.16 is WiMax, and yeah, there isn't much in the way of actual news here, which is why I never posted it at openwimax.org [openwimax.org] . Intel is fighting hard to promote there WiMax chip and get hardware manufacturers to include it in they're devices. The only thing interesting here is that a cell company (Nokia) is working with Intel. Typcially the cell phone companies are pushing 3G and 4G which are for the most part, competeing with WiMax. Interesting since WiMax promises an alternative to cell phones... mobile, wireless VoIP.

Re:Uh... help me out here (1)

captain_craptacular (580116) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817076)

Typcially the cell phone companies are pushing 3G and 4G which are for the most part, competeing with WiMax. Interesting since WiMax promises an alternative to cell phones... mobile, wireless VoIP.

People will still need a handset. Hence the involvement by Nokia. I don't see why Nokia really cares what protocol their phones are using as long as their still selling phones. Nokia, like Apple, is a hardware company.

By the way, nice shameless plug for your site ;)

Re:Uh... help me out here (2, Insightful)

Cat_Byte (621676) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817098)

Before they start talking about making wireless available to the "entire world" they should think about getting cell phone service out where my parents live. Every time I hear talk like broadband is available everywhere it makes me think these have to be people who live very sheltered lives inside the city limits.

Seriously though. Even cell phone service maps are nothing but a bunch of disconnected circles like the chicken pox in between interstates and cities. I would love it if they could actually do this but they are FAR from covering the "entire world".

Re:Uh... help me out here (1)

Nos. (179609) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817152)

Why? That's like saying we should have waited until we could land an aircraft on top of Mt. Everest before we flew into space. There's no reason to expand a technology that looks like it will soon be outdated unless it is economically viable. If its not currently viable to cover your parent's area, does that mean they should stop development of new wireless communcation protocols?

Re:Uh... help me out here (1)

Cat_Byte (621676) | more than 8 years ago | (#12862214)

That's like saying we should have waited until we could land an aircraft on top of Mt. Everest before we flew into space.


How is it saying they shouldn't advertise falsely that it would cover the entire planet when they don't even cover some areas in 2005 with regular cell service is like waiting for an aircraft carrier on Mt Everest? I think you misunderstand the whole point of my post and are too eager to flame.

Re:Uh... help me out here (2, Informative)

Przepla (637674) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817521)

Seriously though. Even cell phone service maps are nothing but a bunch of disconnected circles like the chicken pox in between interstates and cities.
In the US. In Europe there is hardly a place when there is no mobile service, and there are plenty of places where one can not have broadband. So this WiMax would solve it.

Re:Uh... help me out here (1)

hunterx11 (778171) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817636)

Intel is fighting hard to promote there WiMax chip and get hardware manufacturers to include it in they're devices.

Seriously, man. I try not to be a grammar Nazi, but there's only so much I can take before I get nauseous^H^H^Hated.

Re:Uh... help me out here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12818608)

Old English is easier said than drunk.

Re:Uh... help me out here (1)

vhogemann (797994) | more than 8 years ago | (#12819420)

Nokia has no fear of exploring new grounds...

It started as a paper manufacturer, the original long distance communication media, moved to telegraph cabling and finnaly to electronics and telecommunications!

The Nokia history is really amazing, check it out at http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,8764,1127,00.html [nokia.com]

If we all just wait six months (3, Funny)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 8 years ago | (#12816880)

SBC will be offering WiMax for $19.99 a month which you can use on your $300 laptop.

Or you can pay thousands of dollars - for the same thing - now.

The market cares nothing for your desires, and tech is just another commodity. So long as Japanese girls buy it, it will be made available.

Security (1)

bodester17 (892112) | more than 8 years ago | (#12816886)

With these expansive wireless networks, what secutiry features are going to be enabled? You will be essentially on a large LAN, what is to stop some person driving by your house from looking at your files. Also, what does this mean for file-sharing? LAN file-sharing programs like sharescan will allow users to anonymously transfer files. Watch out RIAA!!

Re:Security (1)

JesseL (107722) | more than 8 years ago | (#12816929)

The same things that protect my files from prying eyes on the networks I'm connected to right now. Firewalls, encryption, passwords, os/filesystem permissions, etc.

Security may not be that great, but ... (1)

WillAffleck (42386) | more than 8 years ago | (#12816935)

You will be essentially on a large LAN, what is to stop some person driving by your house from looking at your files.

We already did that. After we finished reading them, the cops pulled us over for ROFL at what you had entered in them.

Security by Obscurity - the latest choice

Re:Security (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817041)

Security has been part of 802.16 from the beginning. Mostly this is because it's designed to be operated by ISPs, and they don't want non-customers to "borrow" free bandwidth off their access points.

Roaming between base stations... (4, Interesting)

FWMiller (9925) | more than 8 years ago | (#12816919)

This is the holy grail. IF this happens, it could represent the biggest challenge yet to the existing mobile phone network. The mobile phone network does this really well and currently the only thing out there that does.

The problem is, this is really hard given the basic architecture of the Internet protocol suite. Lots of things just rely on your IP address not changing in the middle of a TCP session or a VoIP call or whatever. If you move between base stations with current WiFi, you have to change your IP address.

The cell phone network solves this by essentially rerouting things on the fly at layer 2. This is really hard to do in the Internet. My guess that some kind of Layer 2 technology will be adopted to allow groups of WiMax base stations (all under the control of a single provider in all likelihood) to move an IP address from one base station to another quickly. Beyond that it takes sharing agreements and all that and that will be really tuff!!

Re:Roaming between base stations... (0, Offtopic)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817083)

The 2 big datavendors Sierra Wireless and Novatel have some nice data products that you can use VoIP on the go.

Novatel has the Ovation, a product from a San Diego company, will have support most high speed including Wifi/WiMAX. Very interesting product, but Novatel doesnt support quad band GPRS, little problem.
http://www.novatelwireless.com/products/ovation/in dex.html [novatelwireless.com]

Sierra Wireless has a great PC card coming out, support quad band, 850 and 900, so better coverage in the USA. Including the new HSPDA upgrade from UMTS. Cingular (and ATT Wireless) limited launched UMTS, but they are upgrading and expanding UMTS to HSPDA now.
http://www.sierrawireless.com/ProductsOrdering/ac8 x0.asp [sierrawireless.com]

I'm prob going to pick a Sierra Wireless PC card, after using UMTS on my limited channel phone (tethered), its amazing. WiMAX will be nice when it finally gets here, but UMTS is already launched, and vendors already software upgraded their UMTS to HSPDA.

I just wish i could get a single HSPDA/UMTS/EDGE/GPRS/WiFi G card.

Re:Roaming between base stations... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12818111)

VoIP article using WiMAX, totally on topic.

Re:Roaming between base stations... (2, Informative)

Nos. (179609) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817089)

True, roaming is a definite consideration, that being said, even if its not solved that quickly its not as bad as it is with WiFi. Remember, WiMax can have ranges of up to 31 miles [openwimax.org] (without line of sight) which would handle most day to day type uses. That being said, even if a brief interruption were to occur say every 25 miles, cacheing any broadcast type streaming could certainly compensate for the routing change, though live applications (like VoIP) could suffer some.

Re:Roaming between base stations... (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817153)

Of course in reality mobile WiMax will have a cell radius of 1-2 miles, making handoffs much more frequent.

Re:Roaming between base stations... (1)

m50d (797211) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817220)

Make the whole thing peer-to-peer with the base stations in range of each other. Then it doesn't matter if packets go to the wrong base station, they can just get passed along, and over time the routing tables will be updated. It might mean we need to replace BGP with something more dynamic though.

It's called mobile IP (1)

ae (16342) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817472)

That's why mobile IP [wikipedia.org] was created:

Mobile IP provides an efficient, scalable mechanism for node mobility within the Internet. Using Mobile IP, nodes may change their point-of-attachment to the Internet without changing their IP address. This allows them to maintain transport and higher-layer connections while moving. Node mobility is realized without the need to propagate host-specific routes throughout the Internet routing fabric.

Mobile IP! (1)

porttikivi (93246) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817591)

Mobile IP works great. But only if you have a public IP address, and some people might argue you should also have Mobile IP support at servers. Which both mean in practice, that you and the servers need IPv6 and Teredo tunnelling in the real life non-IPv6 Internet of today.

All this you can have today on Windows XP SP2. The only thing missing are clients supporting IPv6, but there are some...

I believe that currently this looks like the only real reason to have IPv6, but reason enough.

Re:Roaming between base stations... (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817655)

The difference is that an IP address is (relatively) anonymous. Cellular is more like tracking with a MAC address. You have your own unique ID number that follows you everywhere. If we could ensure that all ethernet connections have their own unique ID, then we could theoretically have Internet roaming, but the same technology that allows you to roam, would allow anyone to locate/identify you. That's why every stupid web site on the planet uses user+password identification. If we had roaming then any web site could read your UID and use that as a login credential.

The whole concept is very different from today's Internet.

Re:Roaming between base stations... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12818663)

The Technology to allow changing WiFi Access points while keeping your IP number have been around for several years. Such systems have been installed in large building where PC's roam among several AP's while keeping there IP number.

This will coincide with cell market saturation (1)

xtal (49134) | more than 8 years ago | (#12819392)

Right now, whoever releases a device that does this will not sell any more phones to the cellular providers. The reason it's the holy grail for you, is the reason it's the black plague to cellular companies. I don't like the business practices of cell companies, and I absolutely HATE I am stuck in the dark ages here in North America.

Once the market for cell phones levels off, companies like Nokia will have all those engineers, and all those production setups.. and not much to produce anymore. That's when someone will say F it all and break ranks going after the potentially HUGE consumer market.

Perhaps this is the beginning.

Re:Roaming between base stations... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12821579)

Here's an answer for you:
http://mosquitonet.stanford.edu/mip/ [stanford.edu]
http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/mobileip-charter .html [ietf.org]
http://www.eeng.dcu.ie/~jnoonan/mobileip/mipwork.h tm [eeng.dcu.ie]

overview: Your IP address is rooted with one provider who, when you're within his network sends traffic directly to you. When you're in a foreign n/w he forwards your traffic to an 'foreign agent' in the other n/w that sends it on to you. A mobile-ip daemon on your host takes care of all the automatic registration/deregistration.
The difficulty: As you said, agreements between operators :-(

Re:Roaming between base stations... (1)

tech49er (824086) | more than 8 years ago | (#12821591)

Here's an answer for you:
http://mosquitonet.stanford.edu/mip/ [stanford.edu]
http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/mobileip-charter .html [ietf.org]
http://www.eeng.dcu.ie/~jnoonan/mobileip/mipwork.h tm [eeng.dcu.ie]

overview: Your IP address is rooted with one provider who, when you're within his network sends traffic directly to you. When you're in a foreign n/w he forwards your traffic to an 'foreign agent' in the other n/w that sends it on to you. A mobile-ip daemon on your host takes care of all the automatic registration/deregistration.
The difficulty: As you said, agreements between operators :-(

is intel the new "cheap" IBM!? (1)

netdur (816698) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817001)

how do you compare game console market to pc one?

will Nokia release WiMax's driver for linux?

when will Evolution/Nokia start support sync calendar/to-do/email with Nokia phone via bluetooth/infrared/cable?

will Nokia support VOIP on new phones?

I did add skype to Nokia 3650 - I use bluetooth to call or recieve calls

I want high speed, not more press releases! (1)

slapout (93640) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817002)

I wish companies would stop inventing and reinventing techologies and just spend the money to get broadband access to people outside of major cities.

Re:I want high speed, not more press releases! (1)

CrackersnSoup (517698) | more than 8 years ago | (#12821357)

Your ignorant of business. Why should they spend the money to bring you broadband (cable/dsl isnt cheap) if your not willing to shell out the development money? I run a pc shop and have been apart of 2 wireless ISP's (and working on my own now). WiMAX will be one of the BEST ways to bring that broadband to you just as wiFi is now (for the rural people). Companies are about making a buck. You want broadband? Put your money where your mouth is and DO IT YOURSELF. Its not hard at all just costly, just call up your local telco and ask for a T1(1.5mbit, $750+/mo) or DS3(45mbit 7k/mo. Blamo you have broadband. If your in a place where you can get the sub $500/mo T1's you almost certianly have broadband. Odd how that works, cheap internet pipes = broadband in the area! Want a company like me to bring you a cheap net pipe? Bring me 30 contract signed pre-paid for 6 month customers and ill bring cheap net to the moon (but they must live there first). Crackers`n`Soup

the commercial theme song (1)

musikit (716987) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817037)

Apple corporation what's your function?
hooking up Intel and Nokia with WiMax.

Monopolies ?? (1)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817053)



My question is who will impliment this. WIll this mean that internet (dsl) monopolies will now move to cell phone carriers ? If this is the wave of the future it woudl be really nice to have this be a joint venture and allow any carrier to use it.

Re:Monopolies ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12817974)

See this from yesterday: Sprint, Intel Team on Mobile WiMax

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,120771,0 0.asp [pcworld.com]

Add Apple and Nokia to a partnership, then you have a Sprint WiMax/PCS network for Nokia phones running iTunes and the Apple browser, Apple gets the WiMax ISP they need for movie downloads as well as a carrier for their iTunes phone, and Sprint also becomes a single provider for voice, media content, and the web ANYWHERE.

Cringely was partially right: Apple is going for broke, but they are not going to get bought out by Intel. Apple is probably partnering instead with Nokia, Intel and Sprint in WiMax to bring all of the pieces they need together for a unified "lifestyle" digital hub.

Brian G.

Great News? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12817102)

Look at the current state of affairs with accessiblity to wireless driver specs for Open Source today. Are we going to have more of the same with this? Intel has been pretty selfish so far in releasing any info on what they got in wifi. Is this just going to be more WinWifi stuff?

Food, not bits. (0, Troll)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817103)

This is just the first step in making high-speed wireless networking available to the entire world.

Great, I'm sure the starving people of Africa will appreciate being able to get access to their corporate email everywhere, all the time, on their Treos.

PaLease (0, Offtopic)

Rac3r5 (804639) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817231)

dude.. if u saw it b4 everyone else.. and if its not posted on slashDot.. submit it to slashDot and quit ur whining..

stuff on this site is community submitted...

The Gold Dream of the Slashdot Reader (1)

0x54524F4C4C (712971) | more than 8 years ago | (#12817270)

It starts with the reader (TR) sitting in a Virgin Galatic ship, going to visit the moon. Having his Apple x86 iTablet patched to run Fedora Core 17 connected via hi-speed WiMax, he can see his own ship launch be ascii/unicode broadcast live through one of his nerdy friends Vlogs, while peeking at some online pr0n stuff and downloading the latest Michael Jackson album from BitTor. In the way to the moon, some nanomechanisms spawn from his computerized clothes designed at the MIT by Negroponte himself take care of his personal hygiene (since he can't do it himself being busy with Wanda and Lara, which are actually 2 truck drivers that impersonate booby girls in the IRCng channels). While playing Katamari-Rollback with his ps3 supercomputer, he blogs his impressions about the trip using a mind control apparatus that fires ultrasonic waves into his brain. With a sup of tutti-frutti Kool-Aid, he reloads Slashdot to read some more dupes and FPs and Trolls.

Nokia and Intel?? WTF?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12817947)

That's like Firestone and ArmorAll making a racecar that runs on a gas-alternative.. talk about unlikely players for WiMax....

Just the first step... (1)

mikehunt (225807) | more than 8 years ago | (#12818196)

"This is just the first step in making high-speed wireless networking available to the entire world."

Deja-vu...no...that was 3G!

How many 'first steps' do we need?

WiMax, yawn (1)

Erich (151) | more than 8 years ago | (#12818648)

Wake me up when they've solved the multipath and doppler problems at the high datarate.

mod do3n (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12818728)

P2ro6ect. Today, as

Nope (1)

bananahead (829691) | more than 8 years ago | (#12818897)

I hate to rain on the Intel/Nokia love fest, but this just isn't gonna fly for the following reasons:

1. 802.16x is not as advertised. It is not 50+Mb at 70 miles, it is either/or. The further out you get, the more the bandwidth drops, and it drops fast. This means more towers to cover a geographical area with acceptable service, which destroys the business model.

2. 802.16 is a TDMA technology, which simply means time slices. Each connection (user) requires a time slice from the tower. As the density of the area covered by a tower grows, to give you acceptable performance (see #1 above) they need more towers, which destroys the business model.

In short, while the technology might be coaxed to give adequate performance to a decent number of people, the business model sucks, which will prevent it from really gaining a foothold. Nobody really wants to pay for mobil internet, as much as they seem to want it. There will be a few early adopters, but not enough to make the business even support itself.

Re:Nope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12819894)

Actually I thought 802.16 is FDMA? (Which is basically like CDMA with a FFT infront).

Multipath can be solved via Fingers and diversity gain, as they are in 3G.

Doppler is going to be an issue, because FDMA is more suited for standing still.

On the IP layer, it can all be tunneled over MPLS using RSVP with Fast Reroute.

Nokia's just not putting all it's eggs in telcos. (2, Insightful)

WareW01f (18905) | more than 8 years ago | (#12819107)

However, the IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) has yet to ratify the mobile WiMax standard, known as 802.16e.

Right. So the question is this, who really defines a standard a body like IEEE, or the first set of vendors to hit the market with a workable product. Sad, but painfully true. I say bully for them. Even if they come out with their own proprietary setup, if they release it soon, it'll only force the others to follow. That and it's not like I *really* used to choice in the telcom space anyway.(modem types, locked cell phones, etc)

Telcoms need to find a niche and move there fast. "3G" is going to hit too little too late. My city is one of the brave that's planning on lighting up public WiFi which will blow the doors off any of the offerings that are coming Real Soon Now(TM) from our beloved telcos. Nokia's not stupid. I can see them offering a VOIP cellphone when the time is right. (And T-Mobile may be thinking about biting from what I here) That, and when it happens, it's going to be the areas with crappy cell coverage thumbing thier noses at what will by then be some 3 remaining cell companies.

I'd start snatching up any dark fiber out there if I had the spare change to do so. I wouldn't be shocked at all if in a near future, cell phone companies have to roll to the old POTS model of not charging for local minutes and make their cash on long distance routing. I only own a cell now (ditched the POTS a while back) I have no qualms about VIOPing home from a free WiFi access point for local calls.

How consumer-friendly is WiMax? (1)

Entropius (188861) | more than 8 years ago | (#12819210)

One of the great things about 802.11 is that there are no restrictions on its use. I can, using cheap hardware available anywhere, set up a wireless network anywhere for pretty much any purpose I want, subject to the limitations of the technology.

I can play Starcraft with someone in another car next to me. I can let guests use my internet connection when they visit. I can check my email from my parking lot.

Wifi has, IMO, been such a great success because it goes back to the P2P nature of the Internet. Rather than being a captive customer to (say) a cell phone company that owns all the cards, it's a technology for me to use for free for whatever I want.

Will WiMax be the same? Can I go to Circuit City, shell out $whatever for WiMax equipment, and check my email from a mile away from my apartment?

Re:How consumer-friendly is WiMax? (1)

geekee (591277) | more than 8 years ago | (#12820393)

"Wifi has, IMO, been such a great success because it goes back to the P2P nature of the Internet. Rather than being a captive customer to (say) a cell phone company that owns all the cards, it's a technology for me to use for free for whatever I want.

Will WiMax be the same? Can I go to Circuit City, shell out $whatever for WiMax equipment, and check my email from a mile away from my apartment?"

No. You pay for either a fixed or mobile WiMAX service from a telcom provider. For the fixed service, you put an antennae on your roof or window, and get rid of your cable/DSL/dialup service. For mobile, you get cell phone like connectivity for roaming devices such as laptops, pdas, cell phones, etc.

Having end users broadcasting arbitrarily for miles isn't an efficient use of the spectrum, nor is it a good solution for roaming since your still limited to a couple of miles from home.

We need Full Duplex for VOIP (1)

Your Average Joe (303066) | more than 8 years ago | (#12819744)

Wireless 802.something could be used for hot spot phones if it incorporated many of the features that cell tower/phones use. One that would have helped our Cisco VOIP deployment is full duplex wireless.

Just another pipe dram of mine... I hope my grandkids will have it. :-(

WiMAX for broadband (1)

bent_san (892217) | more than 8 years ago | (#12820108)

There seems to be some confusion as to what WiMAX will do, even the industry is confused. WiFi uses a public bandwidth, it shouldn't be used by Telco's because they're will be huge regulatory issues involved. However using WiFi in McDonald's...etc is okay because McDonalds owns the property, and hence can use that bandwidth (but only in that property). WiMAX will used regulated bandwidth (like 3G,GSM etcc..). I'm sure WiMAX uses FDMA, although it could be viewed as TDMA because it doesn't use a different spectrum for upload/download, like 3G. Multipath and Doppler issues can be resolved via vendor specific technologies like rake receives, diversity gain...etc, like it is used in 3G. However doppler will be more of an issue with WiMAX than 3G becuase 3G uses CDMA, which is better for roaming. Whereas FDMA is better for standing still. WiMAX's opportunity is in last mile access to homes, I can forsee people installing WiMAX antenna's for their homes, and using it for Voice, Data, TV (Triple-Play). Instead of having a leased line for the phone, cable for TV and Internet. Wireless is cheaper than rolling out cables, this is particularly pertinent to places like India and China where the bulk of the population do not have telephone lines (hence cannot use DSL).

WWW.COCONNECT.COM far better than WIMAX (1)

borninabarn (892232) | more than 8 years ago | (#12820489)

check out www.coconnect out of St. Gorge Utah, it is the future for right now for high speed wireless,
1. no additional equipment needed other than your existing wireless card (wimax uses a huge antennae!!??) 2. up to 54 mpbs 39.95 a month and free dial up wireless to anybody 3. free roaming all over the city even while you drive walk or whatever (wimax is a point to point fixed wireless??) 4. iptv 5. voip 6. uses nodes on top of buildings to communicate with each other creating a mesh network over the city...

wimax may be good for long distances, but not for making a city fully high speed broadband wirelsss, especially so everyone can access it for a reasonable price...

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