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Makers of MAKE

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the fiddly-bits dept.

Hardware Hacking 133

BoredStiff writes "An NPR show called The Connection inteviewed The Makers of MAKE. They discussed who's behind MAKE magazine, and why they think there are a lot of people out there with an interest in re-inventing with the gadgets that run our daily lives. MAKE magazine is a deliberate throw-back to the how-to science manuals of an earlier era -- back when technology wasn't so cheap people did more 'do it yourself.'"

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Good magazine so far... (4, Informative)

dafragsta (577711) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831764)

I've got my first two issues and at the very least, they are interesting. They straddle the line between pure MacGyver-ness and the kinds of things you'd find in 2600 magazine.

Re:Good magazine so far... (1)

Ryan.Latham (892596) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831797)

Yeah I really like the MAKE Magizine too and how you can make just about anything from anything. Still waiting on how to build a PC out of a tin can and a gum wrapper though.

Re:Good magazine so far... (2, Interesting)

technoextreme (885694) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831940)

Personally.... They need a book reviews. There are plenty of DIY books out there that need to be reviewed. There are probably more than the creator of this magazine actually realizes. Then again would I want slashdoter's to have plans to a DIY EMP device.(IM serious) Hmmmmm....

Re:Good magazine so far... (1)

brickballs (839527) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832273)

Thats about the best descrption I'v heard yet

Re:Good magazine so far... (1)

OglinTatas (710589) | more than 9 years ago | (#12833000)

Cool magazine, I also subscribe. But I want to know when they will publish plans for a DIY BatSuit? [howstuffworks.com]

This just in! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12831767)

Cowboyneal eats baby. Still hungry.

Pick your Poison (2, Funny)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831770)

Saturday night I'd like to MAKE my girl, but right now I cannot make ends meet.

It's great to have a magazine dedicated to the people who want to build their own stuff. I remember carving my first spoon. Out of a bigger spoon.

The problem is that you end up with all these little toy gadgets and nowhere to put them. I wish there was a magazine that explained how to build something that could be used to store those gadgets.

Re:Pick your Poison (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12831831)

They do, it's called "Finer Cabinetry and Amputations!" it's part of the mediocrity in execution series of books. You can Build some storage and get to know your medical professionals all in one fell swoop. After you have the storage space, you can then turn that old 286 with the sound card into an analog control system for automaing the opening and closing of your new cabinets since those new hooks are a pain in the butt when turning knobs.

Oooh, and a mouse based wired remote control for the old TV in the den. Left button, channel up, right button channel down.

Re:Pick your Poison (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12833283)

They do, it's called "Finer Cabinetry and Amputations!"

Working with power tools is no laughing matter. I always used to poke fun at Norm and his safety glasses, but one night I learned the importance of them. I was working late, trying to finish ripping a bunch of boards on the table saw. The blade guard was catching on the planks again, time for another adjustment... or I could just remove the guard. Guard removed, I was able to keep going at a nice, fast pace. Then it happened. My hand was in the wrong place as I pushed the last board through the saw. My fingers came flying off, the fleshy shrapnel struck my eyes, one, two, three times. Before I knew it, I had lost four fingers of my left hand and was blinded in one eye. If only I had worn my safety goggles!

Re:Pick your Poison (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12833448)

Firstly, someone needs to have their sarcasm meter calibrated. Secondly, a colleague of mine lost between 1/3 and 1/2 of all the fingers on his right hand a few years back when he thought he didn't need a push stick while running the joiner so I know how dangerous power tools can be. That said, power tools can be hillarious, given that you take proper precautions.

Re:Pick your Poison (3, Funny)

paranode (671698) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831866)

$ cd girl
$ ./configure

checking for car... yes
checking for scheduling availability... yes
checking if living with mother... no
checking for cash... no

**ERROR cash >2.01 not found. REQUIRED.

$ make
make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.

Hrmm...

Re:Pick your Poison (4, Funny)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832523)

The solution is to make cash.so.2.0.1 a softlink to cash.so.0.0.1; this fools the installation into thinking you have greater 'cash' than you actually do.

You'll run into compatibility problems when you start invoking the more advanced 'relationship' or 'marriage' functionality; the program will complain vociferously, but let's face it; most of us just want to play around with 'girl' for an evening or two, and then try something else. "cash.so.0.0.1" does fine, so long as you can pretend it's "cash.so.2.0.1".

Re:Pick your Poison (1)

RikF (864471) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832035)

Much as I love 'em, Poison quotes rarely work. Unless, of course, you are trying to convince god to let you into Heaven so you can persuade martian scientists to help you build robot versions of yourselves to defeat you evil other selves.... ;o) RikF

Re:Pick your Poison (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12832057)

Poison quotes rarely work.

I blame it on the age gap.

Re:Pick your Poison (1)

Frumious Wombat (845680) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832231)

Woodsmith runs articles of that type. You'll learn how to make nicely inlaid, beveled, quality, furniture with tools that will only take up twice the space of your existing computer + gadget collection. Of course, they have articles on how to build cabinets to store the tools and wood as well.

Re:Pick your Poison (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832926)

Recalls the Steven Wright joke: "You can't have everything; where would you put it?"

I've been using make for years.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12831774)

In fact i'm using it to write this!

make frist-post

Get a subscription to MAKE... (4, Informative)

eggoeater (704775) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831784)

It's an awesome mag. The amount of detail on how to build a project is fantastic, and there's lots of small projects in addition to the two or three large projects. The editors don't mince words about telling you how to hack stuff either. The latest copy had instructions to remove macrovision on certain DVD players.

Coupon, Amazon back-issues (1)

Noksagt (69097) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832490)

I agree that it is a great magazine. Unless you have amazon cash to burn, the cheapest way to get it is direct [pubservice.com] . Use coupon code M5ZXML to get 5 issues for the price of 4 (~$35).

If you want back issues, amazon is your best bet (you can sometimes find them on half or ebay, but most people hang on to them. Issue 1 [amazon.com] and Issue 2 [amazon.com] are available. If you do want to use them for a subscription, subscription, [amazon.com] you can get 4 issues for $35 and $5 off a future amazon order.

All of the amazon links have a short video & a 10 page excerpt from the magazine.

Even better deal: free issue AND $5 off (1)

Noksagt (69097) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832848)

Use the links in parent post, but coupon code G5R2DY for 5 issues for only $30. Wish I knew that one when I subscribed!

Re:Get a subscription to MAKE... (1)

brickballs (839527) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832494)


I'v had my MAKE subscription since they launched. Definately a cool mag.

mind if I borrow that sig? (it worked at least once)

But (3, Funny)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831788)

Do the makers of MAKE really make MAKE or is it the content that will make MAKE? Enquiring minds want to make, I mean know.

Re:But (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12832198)

I can't make sense out of what you're trying to say. Please make up your mind and make your sentences more coherent.

Re:But (1)

The_Wilschon (782534) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832500)

actually, they're using gmake.

nice introductions (1)

moz25 (262020) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831789)

This is the first time I'm hearing of either The Connection or MAKE. It's a bit unfortunate that there isn't a readable text there. I do have to question how an internet-based magazine expects to survive these days when the tinkerers are more likely to be on the internet anyway.

Re:nice introductions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12832675)

I think you meant _non_ internet-based magazine, right? Even though they have a website it is a paper magazine subscription only.

Re:nice introductions (1)

moz25 (262020) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832727)

Eek. You're right. Where is that edit button... ?

Re:nice introductions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12833349)

I would be more inclined to subscribe if is was an online magazine / electronic subscription rather than paper anyway!

Re:nice introductions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12832710)

>> I do have to question how an internet-based magazine expects to survive these days when the tinkerers are more likely to be on the internet anyway.

Grlfg nrt ot nregalw!

url to the mag (4, Informative)

Racer X (140445) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831799)

uh.... try this: (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12832118)

http://makezine.com/ [makezine.com]

make rocks! (1)

callipygian-showsyst (631222) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831808)

I like "make."

I never could figure out how to use "imake". Too complicated. And remember the language Prolog that Borland tried to push!? It was really "make" in disguise.

"make" is really what's behind all the software we use. If it weren't for "make", there would be no new Linux builds.

Re:make rocks! (1)

qray (805206) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831874)

You beat me to it. When I read the headline I thought it be interesting to find out what the makers of make were doing today.

--
grof domru poct oft hadram

make magazine (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12831960)

make: *** No rule to make target `magazine'. Stop.

MAKE the magazine? (1)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831833)

You mean the one that's popular at Oregon State University and the University of South Carolina?

Yeah, I saw a copy of one at Hooters.

It may be a throwback (4, Interesting)

LetterJ (3524) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831838)

It may be a throwback, but the issues so far have still had a heavy bias toward the whole casemod/ipod/gaming end of the "making stuff" spectrum despite the fact that there are TONS of other topics that still embody the DIY attitude, many of which are actually the same ones that were part of the earlier era of DIY. A lot of those have never gone away. Heck, the whole hippie/commune/energy conservation crowd has been doing-it-themselves for a long time, building practically everything they need.

As I've been digging to find resources for my new site (listed in my sig), I've been thrilled to discover just how many projects are out there fully-documented in arenas I've never messed in myself.

Last night, I made a batch of plastic in my kitchen to put a USB memory key back together. I found the recipe for casein plastic online, didn't have to leave the house because all of the ingredients were already there and I had never even heard of casein plastic until I stumbled across it for site research.

Projects like that, the little laser tripwire kit I found that can be combined with mirrors to give you the security grid shown in every bad heist movie, etc. are all over the place.

Fortunately, it looks like, via their blog and more recent web content (like their contest to start a dead car in the middle of nowhere) that their topics may become more diverse.

Re:It may be a throwback (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12831939)

Not sure exactly why you criticize Make for having a bias towards "mods" when your site seems to have nothing of content to offer at all.

I don't mean to sound negative, I just mean to suggest that maybe you should actually develop some content of your own before you promote your site, especially when your post might be misconstrued as a suggested alternative to Make.

I clicked through hoping to find some interesting information or tutorials, but instead I found a framework with no content.

Re:It may be a throwback (1)

LetterJ (3524) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832228)

If I'd known 3 weeks ago that there'd be an article about MAKE, maybe I would have registered the domain more than a couple of days ago and would have started my work on the site earlier.

I'm sorry that it isn't yet ready. I stated pretty clearly in my post that it was a *new* site and, given that my aim is to have people help out in making it (part of the "making stuff" idea, you see), that not posting at all for fear of the not-yet-finished-site offending some seemed like a wasted opportunity.

Remember, the open source mantra of release early and release often? It fits here too. If I held the site back and worked on it only by myself until it was ready for the public, it probably wouldn't be worth doing. However, I set up the framework and am working through it myself, but am opening it up for others to help out as well.

See, rather than just criticizing MAKE (and if you read carefully, I indicated that it looks like things are improving with regard to my complaint after only 2 issues), I had already started out with what I see as part of the solution.

Re:It may be a throwback (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12831957)

... the whole hippie/commune/energy conservation crowd has been doing-it-themselves for a long time...


Don't forget the whole Slashdot crowd has been doing-it-themselves for a long time as well! Maybe someday when we can get some chicks we won't have to take matters into our own hands.

Re:It may be a throwback (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12832937)

You posted your own answer. The chicks are in the hippie/commune/energy conservation crowd.

Care to share? (1)

lupinstel (792700) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832034)

Could you share the link to the casein plastic recipe? I am curious. Thanks.

Re:Care to share? (2, Informative)

Soybean47 (885009) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832151)

This is from a site for children (and on the first page of a google search for "casein plastic"). If you're really hardcore, you may be able to deviate from the recipe and get by without an adult to help you. ;)

http://www.suzy.co.nz/suzysworld/Factpage.asp?Fact Sheet=114 [suzy.co.nz]

Make Casein Plastic
Casein is a plastic that is made from milk. It was one of the first plastics ever made and was used for making things like buttons.

What you need:
An adult to help you
2/3 of a cup of milk
8 teaspoons of vinegar
a pot
a plate
a stirring spoon

What you do:Pour the milk into the pot and get an adult to help you bring it gently to the boil. When the milk begins to steam and bubble, dribble in the vinegar, stirring the milk all the time. You will see lumps begin to form. When the little lumps clump together to make a big solid lump get the adult to pour off the liquid and then tip your casein plastic lump onto a plate. When it cools a little bit mould it into a shape, like a button then leave it to harden over night. You'll end up with hard casein plastic. The first plastic that was ever invented - it's a bit different from the plastic we're used to!

Re:Care to share? (1)

UrgleHoth (50415) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832325)

This is amazingly similiar to a cheesemaking recipe for Queso Blanco [geocities.com] .

This is by far the easiest cheese to make. Called Queso Blanco in the Spanish speaking (it means "white cheese") world it is used throughout the world by different names. It can be eaten strait or mixed in with various dishes. Try it in your lasagna recipes instead of Ricotta or in addition to it. Yum!

INGREDIENTS
.
1 Gallon Whole Milk
1/4 Cup White Vinegar**
.

1. Heat milk to 180 F (82 C) stirring constantly. Be careful not to burn the milk.
2. While mixing with a whisk, slowly add the white vinegar. You will notice the milk begins to curdle.
3. Keep stirring for 10-15 minutes.
4. Line a colander with a fine cheesecloth.
5. Pour the curdled milk through the colander.
6. Allow the curds to cool for about 20 minutes.
7. Tie the four corners of the cheese cloth together and hang it to drain for about 5 - 7 hours (until it stops dripping).
8. The solidified cheese can be broken apart and salted to taste or kept unsalted.

** The juice of 3-5 lemons may also be used in substitute or addition to the vinegar. The resulting cheese will have a much more tangy flavor.

Re:Care to share? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12833523)

freaky~!

Re:It may be a throwback (2, Interesting)

mspohr (589790) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832092)

I've you're more interested in just making interesting stuff, Nuts and Volts http://www.nutsvolts.com/ [nutsvolts.com] is jammed with great projects. It comes out monthly and covers a wide range of projects. Some hacking but more of a focus on building stuff.

Re:It may be a throwback (1)

LetterJ (3524) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832929)

I had that site in my list to go through, but last night was getting a DNS error. Not sure if I mistyped or there geniunely was a problem, but I'll look again.

Re:It may be a throwback (2, Interesting)

dannyrap (1897) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832103)

Throwback may be a very good way to describe it. 20 years ago, it was erector sets and breadboards. Making a LCD digit count from 0 to 9 was fairly impressive.


Now, the amount of old electronics that can be reused instead of trashed is amazing...LCD panels, mp3 player, interfaces between computers and motors and sensors, video and wireless transmissions. All for mostly dirt cheap. Tinkerers can always stay ahead of corporate development, and it's way more fun.

Danny

Re:It may be a throwback (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12832409)

What the fuck does your iPod have anything to do with "making stuff"?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Re:It may be a throwback (1)

LetterJ (3524) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832952)

"What the fuck does your iPod have anything to do with "making stuff"?"

I'm not saying it does. However, MAKE and tons of "hacking" sites spend 25%-50% of their time on modifying iPods or making things for them.

And, there is no "my" iPod as I don't have one.

Scientific American's Amateur Scientist (3, Informative)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831867)

Scientific American's Amateur Scientist [amasci.com] has always had interesting things to make. The older columns (from before the age of lawsuits) featured more exciting things such a a 6-foot homemade rocket, atom smasher, and 20 W CO2 laser.

Re:Scientific American's Amateur Scientist (1)

Cyclotron_Boy (708254) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832052)

You know, you can purchase every Amateur Scientist column ever on CDROM now? And don't forget some of my favorites from the Amateur Scientist [sas.org] column: a homemade atom smasher (a 300keV electrostatic linear accelerator), a homebuilt cyclotron (lacking plans), all manner of cloud and bubble chambers for particle detection, a gel electrophoresis setup, a CuBr pulsed laser, a 100kW-1MW pulsed Nitrogen laser, etc. The list goes on and on. Shawn Carlson [sdsu.edu] , where are you now?

Re:Scientific American's Amateur Scientist (1)

north.coaster (136450) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832878)

Anybody else remember the series of AS articles about polywater [wikipedia.org] . I'm sure that a lot of people tried to make the stuff before it was found that it did not exist.

This reminds me (1)

marat (180984) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831879)

Two AIXoids:
- Know how they call 'root' in OS/400 lab?
- How?
- ROOT!

QSECOFR actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12832497)

but what did that have to do with anything?

There's really ROOT there sometimes because ofPASE (1)

marat (180984) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832622)

but the joke only works with unix people, /400 ones have nothing to see here (MOVALONG)

Why pay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12831885)

I cannot justify paying for a subscription to a magazine full of information I can easily acquire on the web. Perhaps I am missing something but I just do not see the point.

Re:Why pay? (2, Insightful)

KFW (3689) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832075)

Sure, you probably could find the info in any of these articles if you looked on the web. But would you have looked? The topics are eclectic, many covering things I'll never build, but it's interesting to read about what others are into. And I like having a physical book. I can read it when I'm at lunch or in a waiting room. I'm looking forward to being a long-time subscriber. I hope it does well. /K

Re:Why pay? (1)

Noksagt (69097) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832541)

The same can be said of ANY magazine subscription. Why buy playboy when there is free pr0n to be had?

Like playboy, you get editorial quality & some amount of community built up around the for-profit publication. Also like Playboy, you're also paying for a regular dose of what you like to peruse & for nicely bound dead trees which are useful to have on hand when you're actually trying to accomplish the task at hand.

Re:Why pay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12832939)

Also like Playboy, you're also paying for ... nicely bound dead trees which are useful to have on hand when you're actually trying to accomplish the task at hand.

I agree. Playboy is useful "when you're actually trying to accomplish the task at hand" :)

my inlaws (4, Funny)

udderly (890305) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831905)

The inherent DIY-ness of the 'Makers of MAKE' reminds me of my in-laws. With them (in-laws), they have a genetic predisposition which makes them have to do every task themselves, no matter how ridiculously hard and non-cost-efficient.

When he sliced open his leg, my brother-in-law was totally incensed because Walgreen's didn't sell a home suture kit (you think that I'm kidding, but I'm not). I was really scared when my wife decided that she need Lasik eye surgery and began looking at lasers on ebay and googling 'home eye surgery how to.'

Re:my inlaws (-1, Flamebait)

natron 2.0 (615149) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831916)

I must ask, do you live in the south?

Re:my inlaws (1)

trongey (21550) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832165)

Wow! That's awesome. If I weren't already married I'd be asking if your wife has a sister.

My wife and her family are big DIYers, as is mine, but these people sound like DIY gods.

Re:my inlaws (1)

trongey (21550) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832205)

BTW: Any fabric store has darning needles and silk thread, but super glue is a lot quicker and easier.

Re:my inlaws (1)

presidentnixon (677878) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832373)

Do not look into laser with remaining good eye!!

Coming soon - Home Pile Surgery (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12832906)

Eye Surgery sounds possible, as does lower abdomen and thigh work.

But slipped disks?

Anyone for a home vasectomy? Would you trust your balls in anyone else's hands?

Re:my inlaws (4, Insightful)

OglinTatas (710589) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832957)

You may be joking about the home suture, but In my younger days, I had successfully sealed a few slices and gashes with superglue or regular sports tape. No major vessels were compromised, so it wasn't all that spectacular. But in fact, surgeons use a version of superglue for their non-suture sutures. It is available to the home user under the brands dermabond or liquid bandage.

I used to be a DIY type, making homebrew beer, DIY beer coolers, DIY fish "pond" (in my dorm room) with DIY biological filter, etc. Several years after college if finally occured to me that what I made was invariably more expensive, less effective/efficient, bigger and just plain uglier than the commercially produced equivalents. And so I quit. (I still subscribed to MAKE when it was first published)

I think the point of DIY is being creative in solving problems, to be inventive, to have a sense of accomplishment when something is made. "I did that" instead of "I bought that." It is something that any DIYer can appreciate himself, even if no one around him does.

On a distantly related note, I fear there may be a decline in ingenuity in general, as mass produced fare is so cheap and so readily available that few people feel the urge to fiddle, to improve anything, since they can just go out and buy something else.

I'm currently mulling over a project to convert an optical mouse into a DIY (right) foot operated computer pointer with (left) foot operated pedals instead of buttons. I know there are commercial products that do this ($130-$200+) but they aren't _exactly_ what I envision.

Some other DIY/tinkering stuff (5, Informative)

Mille Mots (865955) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831909)

I can't listen to the interview (at work), but I think I get the idea behind MAKE (a DIY project magazine that makes use of broken, obsolete, or unused gadgets around the house, eh?). It sounds like a great addition to my collection of Nuts & Volts magazine [nutsvolts.com] , QST [arrl.org] , and Circuit Cellar [circellar.com] .

Other great DIY 'tinkering' sites I like are AX84.com [ax84.com] , 18watt.com [18watt.com] , and Byonics [byonics.com] .

I'd post a link to my site with pictures/notes on my own hand-built tube amp project or my mini-GPS/APRS project (not yet out of planning), but I'm afraid of the /.-ing I'd take. :)

Great mag for hobbyists (2, Interesting)

FerretFrottage (714136) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831915)

If you've ever built a Heathkit something or another, or a old analog signal cable descrammbler from radio shack parts (or for the newer generation, if you've ever modded your xbox I guess), you owe it to yourself to check out the Make magazine. It has lots of great projects and it proves to my wife that I am not a crazy as some other people.

Not impressed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12831923)

I saw this magazine while shopping for a USB reference book. What I saw was a re-hash of twenty year's worth of Popular Electronics, Radio Electronics and Elektor, with a new-style layout. Perhaps I'm past all this stuff at my point in life. Maybe it's for a younger generation.

But for 20$ canadian, it's too fluffy.

In the first issue of MAKE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12831947)

MAKE mag shows you how to MAKE an advertisement and how to MAKE some editor post it to the front page and how to MAKE a bunch of idiots MAKE snide comments on this thinly-veiled ad.

I prefer... (4, Funny)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831970)

./configure magazine.

And now a word from our content provider. (2, Funny)

Willeh (768540) | more than 9 years ago | (#12831987)

In other news, the makers of MAKE magazine sue the makers of the popular command "make", forcing hunders of thousands of l{u,i}n{i,u}x users to type "eckyeckyeckySHAZAM" instead. Man pages proved to be inconclusive and no help to confused sysadmins.

Re:And now a word from our content provider. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12832193)

Thats awesome! I think I'm going to alias make to eckyeckyeckySHAZAM in anticipation.

Made my day, thanks! :D

make(1) (2, Funny)

xbytor (215790) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832043)

I thought everybody knew that Stu Feldman wrote make(1)?

Oh, wait...

Techie, but lots of areas (3, Interesting)

airship (242862) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832086)

I've written two articles for MAKE so far, one on hacking the C64 DTV game joystick, and one on setting up a dual-boot XP/Linux system using an installable single-CD Linux distro. So both of my articles have been 'standard' techie stuff. But there have been articles on a guy who set up a monorail in his backyard, a guy who modded his SUV to look like an 'official' vehicle so he could park anywhere, and other fun and semi-dangerous stuff. So it's covering a lot of ground.

As a former computer magazine editor myself, I kind of wondered about the viability of a dead-tree magazine for hackers in the age of the URL myself, especially one that costs fifteen bucks an issue. But MAKE has been very well-received, and they're supporting it with an active daily blog. I've enjoyed both issues so far, and am eagerly anticipating the next. It probably helps that it's from the O'Reilly book people, who really grok hackers, since they come from the same gene pool. Plus their production values are incredible. Full color on every page, high-quality paper, etc. Copies of MAKE will be around at least as long as those old National Geographics in your grandfather's attic.

Re:Techie, but lots of areas (2, Interesting)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832470)

Heh cool...

I've only done one mod for my DTV... after the batteries going dead deep into the dungeon of the sword of fargoal, I added a coax jack for a wall wart. It was one with a bypass pin so I can leave the batteries in and it won't try to charge them.

If you are quick, you can also pull out the wall wart and it will switch to batteries before the DTV resets, and you can take your game with you. I imagine a capacitor to hold up the voltage would make the transistion much easier, it would be more like a laptop then, plug and unplug the wall power whenever you want.

Re:Techie, but lots of areas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12832890)

Copies of MAKE will be around at least as long as those old National Geographics in your grandfather's attic.

Only if they include pictures of topless African women masquerading as sociology/anthropology...

Seems another case of retro-mania (3, Insightful)

suitepotato (863945) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832117)

Sort of. And probably a good one.

I grew up reading do-it-yourself books, encyclopedias, magazines (especially Popular Science and Popular Mechanics of the 50s, 60s, and 70s saved by family). Casting aluminum myself was childs play given I went to school with kids who built calculators out of discrete components in elementary school. Do-it-yourself was just what we did. It wasn't different than catching carp yourself instead of pestering mom and dad to buy them for the tank, or sometimes pond you made with a shovel and hose.

Looking this over, I'll probably eventually get around to subscribing. If only American schools of today put more emphasis on the basics that allow us to build more complicated technology. Wood shop, metal shop, auto, electronics, so many are now cut to nothing no matter the administration being right (the basics are reading, writing, math, history) or left (the basics are sociopolitics, emotions, and safety which precludes hands-on anything). People should know how to build the machines they use in case they ever do need to make them.

Maybe I'll buy a couple subscriptions for my local schools.

subscription (2, Interesting)

faldore (221970) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832138)

LAME!! As soon as I read this article, I tried to subscribe to Make Magazine, but they're charging SALES TAX!! I have never and will never pay sales tax on a magazine subscription!

Bad move!

Re:subscription (1)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832230)

Yeah, how dare a national publisher follow the law! I too only subscribe to magazines that openly flaunt our country's tax code. Fuck 'em all!

Re:subscription (2, Informative)

faldore (221970) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832277)

It's not "the law" that magazine subscriptions are subject to the recipient's local sales tax. Mail order companies only have to charge sales tax if they have a physical presence in the recipient's state. Apparently O'Reilly has a physical presence in Washington, which sucks for me.

Re:subscription (1)

Bloke down the pub (861787) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832829)

It's not "the law" that magazine subscriptions are subject to the recipient's local sales tax.

Just as well, seeing as it isn't flaunt, it's flout.

Re:subscription (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12833475)

Yeah, how dare a national publisher follow the law! I too only subscribe to magazines that openly flaunt our country's tax code. Fuck 'em all!

The country's tax code doesn't include a sales tax.

MAKE is cool... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12832146)

because it reminds me a great deal of being a 13-year old boy in 1981 fascinated with Commodore 62/128 and my old TRS-80. FOr those of us who were at my age during the "pioneering days" of the late 70's and early 80's well remember the emotional ride of discovery. Kids these days have it easy. I don't know of any kid these days who would be interested in making their own radios, burgler alarms, etc. I used to subscribe to magazines like MAKE back in the day and build all kinds of crap. It was fun and it kept me out of trouble.

But... (1)

connah0047 (850585) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832178)

But who makes the makers?

When I was a little boy... (5, Insightful)

TomorrowPlusX (571956) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832250)

When I was about 8 or 10, my father ( a machinist, and DIY type, though of a mechanical nature, not techy ) bought me four volumes of _The Boy Mechanic_ -- a *beautiful* set of books by Popular Mechanics, from the 1920's.

These books had *everything* from simple things like making your own arc-lamp to radios, to steam engines, to stirling-cycle engines, to lightweight gasoline airplane engines ( for free flight ) to chassis for a go-kart, to simple transmissions, to making your own lathe, and so on. Plus, a *lot* of pyrotechnics. A LOT of pyrotechnics.

All gorgeously illustrated in the clean slightly-post-art-nouveau style of the 20's, with little boys and teenagers doing things that would get you arrested today.

What broke my heart were paragraphs that would say "Just go to your local chemist's and buy 12 pounds of insert-highly-toxic-explosive-compound". I'd ask my dad and say, "where can I get insert-highly-toxic-explosive-compound". He'd say, "Son, we live in a pussy age where you'd get arrested for just asking about that stuff."

I guess this is how we grow up today. Sterile, hairless wimps.

Re:When I was a little boy... (5, Funny)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832447)

I'd ask my dad and say, "where can I get insert-highly-toxic-explosive-compound". He'd say, "Son, we live in a pussy age where you'd get arrested for just asking about that stuff." I guess this is how we grow up today. Sterile, hairless wimps.

No, the reason you grew up as a sterile, hairless wimp is because all those highly-toxic-explosive-compounds your father and grandfather played around with had horrible effects on their genes and reproductive systems.

Re:When I was a little boy... (1)

dutky (20510) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832943)

Dogtanian [slashdot.org] wrote:
I'd ask my dad and say, "where can I get insert-highly-toxic-explosive-compound". He'd say, "Son, we live in a pussy age where you'd get arrested for just asking about that stuff." I guess this is how we grow up today. Sterile, hairless wimps.
No, the reason you grew up as a sterile, hairless wimp is because all those highly-toxic-explosive-compounds your father and grandfather played around with had horrible effects on their genes and reproductive systems.

Funny, I thought that the reason we grew up as sterile, hairless wimps was because we didn't get poisoned or blown to smithereens in childhood whilst playing with insert-highly-toxic-explosive-compound.

Re:When I was a little boy... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12832637)

volume 1 is available for download, from ibiblio.
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/12655 [gutenberg.org]

Re:When I was a little boy... (1)

TomorrowPlusX (571956) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832708)

You have made my day. I haven't read those books in ten years, and seeing it -- in OCR PDF no less -- has brought a tear to my eye. Some things shouldn't be forgotten.

Plus, check out the editor's note:

Another class of projects illustrate the caviler attitude toward environment and health in 1913. These projects involve items such as gunpowder, acetylene, hydrogen, lead, mercury, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, cadmium, potassium sulfate, potassium cyanide, potassium ferrocyanide, copper sulfate, and hydrochloric acid. Several involve the construction of hazardous electrical devices. Please view these as snapshots of culture and attitude, not as suggestions for contemporary activity.
Gold.

Re:When I was a little boy... (1)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832915)

Another problem that comes up is that these old books rely on some obsolete stuff. For example, I had a book when I was a kid that instructed me to get a hard rubber comb for a static electricity experiment.

Hard rubber comb? I've never seen one, since plastic is used universally in cheap combs.

Another one that gets me is instructions for building AM radios that tell you to buy a ferrite core AM tuner coil. You can't buy such a beast! At least not easily. Perhaps they were common in years past, but the only way to get one now is to take apart another AM radio. Even better would be some instructions on how to wind your own. It's not hard, but if you don't know about radios you'll need someone to describe how to do it. Once, I saw instructions on how to wind your own coil, but they called for a ferrite core. WTF? Where are you supposed to get a ferrite core with the right properties? Air core is easier for beginners, even if the coil is bigger. Everyone knows what air is.

And now I have the same problem with schematic diagrams. Quite a lot of the stuff more than 30 years old is unbuildable because parts aren't available. Substitutions are possible, but for a newbie, it's not obvious. Even for an expert it can be hard, depending on what the circuit does. How do you know for sure that the modern transistor is going to substitute correctly in a particular circuit?

So, we're not done breaking the hearts of young inventors. The solution to this is to keep updating those books, publish information about how to acquire materials (i.e. a little note saying that potassium nitrate is the same as stump remover, which you can get at a Home Depot store is damn useful), and to describe as much as possible how to build things rather than acquire them. (wind your own AM coils rather than buy them.)

Re:When I was a little boy... (1)

LordNimon (85072) | more than 9 years ago | (#12833201)

Once, I saw instructions on how to wind your own coil, but they called for a ferrite core. WTF? Where are you supposed to get a ferrite core with the right properties?

I don't know a whole lot about ferrite cores, but what about this place: http://www.adamsmagnetic.com/cores.htm [adamsmagnetic.com] ?

Re:When I was a little boy... (1)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 9 years ago | (#12833450)

Case in point: you have to call to discuss your needs with the salesman. I suppose that you're going to have to know your properties ahead of time...

And, they appear to sell to large customers, and in big lots. They do custom ferrite core design and manufacturing.

Finally, I don't see a shopping cart on their website. What if I just want one? What if I'm 10 years old and all I want to do is build a radio during summer vacation?

This is not the solution for an individual hobbyist who might be 10 years old, but for an engineering team working for a large company.

Free Issue Promo code (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12832287)

If you subscribe to O'Reilly's Make magazine, use promotional code M5ZXML to get a free bonus issue (5 for $35 instead of 4).

Re:Free Issue Promo code (1)

The_Wilschon (782534) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832669)

Ok, that just made the decision for me... I was on the verge of subscribing, or waiting until my birthday to find out that noone had gotten me a subscription. (I would tell someone I wanted it of course) But, a free issue I would not get with a birthday subscription.

Re:Free Issue Promo code (1)

darkstar2a (546635) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832803)

The following code: G5R2DY

Not only gets you a copy of the premier issue as a bonus, it's also a DISCOUNTED subscription of $29.95. [this is the only discount I've seen, the rest of the codes are just for a free issue]

Enjoy!

Philip Torrone Rocks (3, Interesting)

brickballs (839527) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832377)


I pay attention to what Philip Torrone is up to.

He started the engadget Podcast [engadget.com] , hackaday [hackaday.com] , and now MAKE [oreillynet.com] .

it seems like he's really good at getting cool stuff off the ground and then he leaves it to other people once its up and running

http://flashenabled.com/ [flashenabled.com] is his site

make yourself magazine! (1)

matt me (850665) | more than 9 years ago | (#12832405)

why subscribe to the magazine when you can compile it yourself? ./configure
make
make magazine

you need to get the binding right, or it'll fall apart! and don't link to mobile libraries!

MAKE has some goods but a lot of junk (1)

eh2o (471262) | more than 9 years ago | (#12833214)

Its _loaded_ with annoying ads, and aside from the 3-4 articles that actually tell you how to do something, the rest of the mag looks like reruns of content I've already seen on Wired News, Slashdot, etc -- in many cases stuff that is 6+ months old.

The how-to articles are decent though. I just wish they would drop the rest of the crap and stick to the goods.

And, many think DIY'ers are stupid... (1)

awfar (211405) | more than 9 years ago | (#12833566)

...like many Ph.D.s, administrators, bureucrats, lawyers - you know, those people in charge of things that you get jobs, raises and stuff. Either envious or unappreciative, they find these things trivial, unless of course, it is *their* hobby like collecting old iron horse shoes or old bits of cloth, etc. High-performance computing people that pooh-pooh the embedded systems people, or the engineer that disdains micropower problems.

I myself learned to design a radio receiver, weld, turn a spindle in wood or an end mill a gear blank, and fluid power, but that was quickly thrashed from me to do higher-value stuff like XML and Java. Note the sarcasm.
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