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Most Americans Want Gov't To Make Internet Safer

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the just-do-something-already dept.

Privacy 439

aicrules writes "Despite the constant prattle of privacy groups and individual privacy advocated, according to a poll reported on by CNN most Americans want the government to be heavily involved in securing the Internet. They want to eat their cake too, though, as those polled also don't trust the governmental bodies charged with such security. They also found that more people trust Microsoft with security. From the article, 'I don't think the public knows what it wants Congress to do, but it wants Congress to do something,...They don't have a lot of confidence that Congress will do the right thing.'"

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Hardly surprising... (5, Funny)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844842)


From TFS:


according to a poll reported on by CNN most Americans want the government to be heavily involved in securing the internet.

Of course that's what the poll said...most Americans who don't want the government involved didn't participate in the survey, for fear that the government would flag them as 'potential terrorists'.
After all, if you don't want our fine government securing our internet, you must be a terrorist!

Why do you hate our freedom???

^_^

Insightful (3, Interesting)

Bob_Robertson (454888) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845108)

Well said, TripMaster. I'd mod this up as "insightful" if I had any mod points.

I know people on the "No Fly List" merely because they speak out on the net against government intrusion. Heck, I could easily be on the list myself, but since I haven't tried flying since the list was invented I don't know. ...since there is no way to find out if you're on the list until you TRY to board a plane. Idiots.

But then again... (1, Interesting)

Sensible Clod (771142) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845244)

...how do we know they didn't deliberately skew the results?

We hear all the time, 'polls show this' and 'the majority of Americans say that', and we don't know that's how the poll *really* came out, or even if there *was* a poll.

Just something to think about.

Re:Hardly surprising... (5, Insightful)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845119)

Because, no matter how you cut it, freedom==responsibility. We, as a culture, are trying our utmost to avoid responsibility, be it at a government, corporate, or individual level.

Re:Hardly surprising... (1)

EmperorKagato (689705) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845198)

Also along with great power comes great responsibility.

Re:Hardly surprising... (5, Funny)

penguin121 (804920) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845127)

how the process works...

the people> we want the internet secured from identity theft and viruses...
goverment> we will monitor and log everything you do online to protect you!
the people> but how will that...
government> TERRORIST!

What people want... (4, Interesting)

Jhon (241832) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844854)

Most Americans Want Gov't To Make Internet Safer
Actually, most Americans want an intact Constitution.

If "most" American's really want the "government" hover over the internet and potentially tramp on rights, there is fairly simple way -- amend the Constitution. It's not EASY, but it is a simple solution.

My personal favorite from TFA:
"I don't think the public knows what it wants Congress to do, but it wants Congress to do something," said Dan Burton, the senior lobbyist for Entrust Inc
How can the "public" know what it wants to do when most people don't even know how congress WORKS? Most don't even know the name of their own representatives. Besides, my understanding of TFA was that it WASN'T a poll of MOST Americans, but of "LIKELY VOTERS". Always need to read the 'fine print'.

Re:What people want... (2, Interesting)

Rei (128717) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845027)

What I don't get is what the article had to do with privacy. People, according to the poll, want the government to help stop spam, spyware, and viruses. I.e., they want them, to if anything, help protect their privacy.

Since when are federal attempts to track down and prosecute spammers, for example, a bad thing? I mean, unless you think that everything the government does is always bad...

Now, if this were a poll about whether the government should mandate censorware, block pornographic content, support more strict intellectual property enforcement, etc, that would be a completely different issue.

Safer != trampled rights (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845064)

It really depends on what you define as "safer." Asking that better safeguards be implemented. Right now you have ISP's which are havens to botnets, spammers, and other various problems. Maybe we can't deal as much with the IP's in Asia/Europe/etc but there are plenty here that are regularly spamming, portscanning, and generally running rampant as a bot/script-kiddies.

Re:Safer != trampled rights (1)

Jhon (241832) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845217)

Correct. Safer does NOT equal trampled rights. However, many of the proposed solutions in the past have had problems with the rights of end users (or at least the appearance of a "big brother-esq" solution) -- at least as voiced by the /. group-think. And I think that was the point the submitter of the article was trying to make.

Quibble (1)

abb3w (696381) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845165)

If "most" American's really want the "government" hover over the internet and potentially tramp on rights, there is fairly simple way -- amend the Constitution. It's not EASY, but it is a simple solution.

Actually, that doesn't require "most" Americans. It requires "a majority of the population in 38 states". The relation between the two is left as an exercise for students of mathematics and politics.

Re:What people want... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12845181)

Actually, most Americans want an intact Constitution.

Nonsense. If the government decided that it would immediately only do what the Constsitution said it can do, > 95% of the people would rise up and overthrow it.

That goes for > 95% of American slashdotters, too, by the way.

blurb is misleading (4, Informative)

yagu (721525) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844859)

From the post:

They also found that more people trust Microsoft with security.

There is nothing in the actual article to even suggest/support this thesis... (ignoring for the moment the thesis is not well-formed... e.g., "more people than what?, than before?")

The closest thing I can find from the article says:

The FBI scored more favorably among Internet users in the survey but still lower than technology companies, such as Microsoft Corp. and Dell Inc.

I don't think that is the same as "more people trust Microsoft...".

Re:blurb is misleading (1)

ericdano (113424) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844910)

Yeah, I hardly think that means more people TRUST Microsoft with security. Seriously, if you think Microsoft is secure, I have a bridge in San Francisco that I will sell you....

Re:blurb is misleading (1)

Calyth (168525) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844975)

If more people do trust Microsoft with security, then I fear that Linux/BSD/OSS sites would be deemed a terroristic front.
Maybe it's time for me to withdraw my membership from Slashdot, in fear of reprisal.

Re:blurb is misleading (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12845024)

Seriously, if you think Microsoft is secure, I have a bridge in San Francisco that I will sell you....

Which one? The one that is finished or the other one that will never be finsihed? :)'

Microsoft is quite secure from your insignificant GNU rebellion.

Re:blurb is misleading (1)

mattyrobinson69 (751521) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845161)

Also, I have a large plot of land on the moon I think you may be interested in.

Re:blurb is misleading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12845069)

I can understand this. All Microsoft has done is produce a shoddy product and lie to people about it, while the FBI has actually killed people. I'd much rather be screwed by Microsoft than killed, so yeah, I trust Microsoft more too... I mean, at least they won't kill me, right?

Re:blurb is misleading (2, Insightful)

brontus3927 (865730) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845297)

I think it's a perfectly logical statement.

Group x scored higher in a poll on security than group y. Ergo, more people trust group x (than group y)

Summary (1)

823723423 (826403) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844863)

[1]
But Kurtz said Congress and the Bush administration should do a better job enforcing existing Internet laws against hackers, thieves and vandals and offer incentives for companies to improve security.

[2]Most Americans believe the government should do more to make the Internet safe, but they don't trust the federal institutions that are largely responsible for creating and enforcing laws online, according to a new industry survey.

Re:Summary (1)

l2718 (514756) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845063)

"Most Americans believe the government should do more to make the Internet safe, but they don't trust the federal institutions that are largely responsible for creating and enforcing laws online, according to a new industry survey."

I'd say "Most Americans believe the government should do more to make the Internet safe, but either:

  1. don't know that the internet extends beyond the United States; or,
  2. think the USA should try to control the internet even outside their territories.

For those who may wonder: I am aware that the Internet was started and mostly created in the US, in large part by DARPA. However, today's internet is a global phenomenon. To understand the gulf in perception, note that the word "American" means one thing in USA English and something rather more general in the rest of the world.

And this means... (5, Funny)

gbulmash (688770) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844871)

So the conclusions we can draw from this are:

  • Bill Gates should be head of Homeland Security.
  • 2 out of 3 Americans surveyed believe in the tooth fairy.
  • "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli (attributed by Mark Twain)
If God truly does look out for fools, he's having to put in some serious overtime for the United States.

Greg

Re:And this means... (1, Flamebait)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845020)

Look at it this way. A goodly chunk of Americans think the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

Re:And this means... (1)

John Seminal (698722) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845177)

I would not be opposed to more control on the internet. An easy way to stop problems is for the government to ban websites and troubled IP addresses from outside the USA. And it would be lawful because the only person who is having their rights violated is from outside the USA, not a citizen.

Those who live in the USA must conform to their community standards. Law enforcement can go after them easily.

Nuclear War (3, Funny)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844874)

They can start by declaring Nuclear war on spammers. Especially those who are known to lie within the US jurisdiction, or promoting products sold by US based companies.

Re:Nuclear War (1)

iamzack (830561) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845017)

It's nucUlar, dummy. The 's' is silent.

Sure, the right thing . . . . (2, Insightful)

failure-man (870605) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844876)

Right Thing (tm) from the same people who've brought the internet such gems as the DMCA, the PATRIOT act, and software patents.

They trust MICROSOFT??!!?? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12844877)

What, I live in a country of farking MORONS!!!

Oh, yeah - I DO live in a country of f'ing morons...

That's it!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12845046)

Morons? No. Patriots. Yes.

Quite frankly, I am getting sick of the secular jihad and self-loathing Americans on Slashdot.

Just get out of this country if you don't like the way it's being run!!!!

actions have repercussions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12845291)

"Just get out of this country if you don't like the way it's being run!!!!"

Try to make be, bitch!

Save me, oh save me! (5, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844881)

Ah yes, journalisitc integrity takes another nose dive. The correct headline should be "Most Americans Want the Government to Do Their Job".

If you read the article, you'll find that the survey was about the FTC and FBI executing the same sort of fraud prosecution that they do with brick and mortar businesses. This is a good thing (obviously) because someone must uphold the laws under which companies do business. Failing to enforce laws just because a company "is on the internet" is silly, stupid, and would lead to economic ruin for all involved.

The survey, to be released Wednesday, said 71 percent of people believe Congress needs to pass new laws to keep the Internet safe. But Kurtz said Congress and the Bush administration should do a better job enforcing existing Internet laws against hackers, thieves and vandals and offer incentives for companies to improve security.

The problem with surveys like this is that 95% of people never even read a single law. They are completely unaware of what laws exist to protect them and how those laws may be enforced. Coupled with poor enforcement (up until recently, enforcements agencies didn't understand the internet environment) and you've got a wide open door for bad laws like the DMCA. Which, BTW, isn't that bad of a law itself, but it really didn't bring anything new to the table and created more loopholes for civil and criminal suits.

Re:Save me, oh save me! (4, Interesting)

freeclimber (812767) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845098)

I work for an online retailer and we lose thousands of dollars every day to fraud. We have attempted to get the government to intervene but unless it is over $50,000 they don't tend to help us. We had a case where a guy stole $25,000 worth of goods from us using fraudulent cards. We knew where he lived but the police/feds refused to do anyhing about it.

Mod parent down - too reasonable! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12845171)

How dare you read the article and give us the facts rather than make baseless accusations! I demand to see your Slashdot credentials, sir!

...if only they knew how. (2, Insightful)

ivanmarsh (634711) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844884)

Do we really want a government that can't secure it's own systems to be responsible for the whole system?

I'll rely on my own security thanks.

Re:...if only they knew how. (2, Insightful)

Leroy_Brown242 (683141) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844985)

Most are blissfully ignorant to our government's lagging in the computer technology area. They just want big brother to make things all better.

i'm not shocked actually (2, Insightful)

b17bmbr (608864) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844905)

we want the government to do everything. heatlh care. oh, it's a right. retirement. gimme gimme gimme. education. federal takeover. we want prescription drugs, everything paid fo rby the governemnt. we want to use lawsuits to get rich quick, sue anyone for anything. we live in a welfare mentality. fuck if people care about freedom anymore. and freedom means freedom to fail. you want to make it rich, fine. but people want their desert without getting fat. it's sick.

Re:i'm not shocked actually (1)

ChaosCube (862389) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845010)

You've got some good points. This nation is but a shadow of what it once was. There is not real freedom left, only what the government allows one to do. It seems everyone wants everything from the government except freedom.

The fools.

Re:i'm not shocked actually (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845156)

Actually, no. The majority of Americans don't want the government telling them they can't buy drugs from Canada or any other place where they are cheaper. The problem is that the government doesn't listen to the majority of Americans, they only listen to those that can afford lobbyists.

On the other hand, I find it disturbing that the public fails to complain about clearly unconstitutional roadblocks with random searches that are done on the grounds that "This will help us catch drunk drivers" or "This will help us catch gang members". I expect they will be doing it to catch terrorists any day real soon now...

Re:i'm not shocked actually (1)

CosmeticLobotamy (155360) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845162)

All of those things except education are under the "we want the government to not let us die in huge numbers when it's entirely preventable" umbrella. And yes, we would like the government to do that.

the "do something" mentality :( (4, Insightful)

vijayiyer (728590) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844918)

As usual, people want the government to "do something". Congress will take some reactionary step, and in the process, our freedoms will erode, either directly through laws or indirectly through the requirements of law enforcement (i.e., monitoring). Unfortunately, this mentality seems to be the defining feature of American politics nowadays.

Most people are stupid (2, Insightful)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844923)

It isn't news, and why democracy can suck so badly sometimes.

Democracy == bad ... (1)

StupidKatz (467476) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845151)

... good thing the USA is still a Constitutional Republic [tylwythteg.com] , eh?

Republic maybe, (1)

isotope23 (210590) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845211)

but certainly the "Constitutional" part is now suspect.

Re:Most people are stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12845206)

I suppose a part of the problem is the Federal Government involvement in Education. The states should be running their educations programs with less federal taxes compensated by slightly higher state taxes for education. Then the burocracy should be a little less top heavy and the efficiency could be higher.

How about if there were no federal taxes. (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845284)

Say the states levied all of the taxation and alloted some of the cash to run the federal administration.

Most Americans know what they want (1)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844931)

Unfortunately, they don't know or won't care for what they have to do to attain it.

I don't... (2, Interesting)

ilyanep (823855) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844932)

I don't want anyone to make the internet safer except myself. I installed the Firewall. I installed the AV. I installed all the other safety stuff. Not the government, and I don't want them to bud in.

Re:I don't... (0, Flamebait)

warkda rrior (23694) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845019)

I don't want anyone to make the internet safer except myself. I installed the Firewall. I installed the AV. I installed all the other safety stuff. Not the government, and I don't want them to bud in.
I don't want anyone to make the neighborhoods safer except myself. I patrol the streets. I chase car thieves. I catch all murderers. Not the government, and I don't want them to bud in.

Re:I don't... (1)

ilyanep (823855) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845062)

If the police sucked as much as these gov't organizations I would be saying that.

Re:I don't... (1)

qwijibo (101731) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845190)

What do you do with the murderers? I believe pharmaceutical companies would pay good money for subjects who are already off the books in the hands of private "law" enforcement professionals.

I don't... (1)

Ryan.Latham (892596) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844933)

The "dangers of the nasty internet" are evident, bothersome and overall annoying. I do not want the government to step in and take action because 9 times out of 10 that is bad news. People want the government to do something about it because the government is easy to blame. Just like people who sue McDonalds for making them fat. Ronald McDonald did not run up to you put a gun to your head and say eat these 3 grease patties. Likewise it was not the government that provided you with an unsafe internet. It was you, your peers, your fellow citizens. The perverts and the hustlers, the digital pimps and schemers; it was you. I will rue the day that the government steps in and begins doing something to make the internet safer. Because it will be then that the I realize the Bill of Rights do not mean a damn thing.

Re:I don't... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12845215)

Just like people who sue McDonalds for making them fat. Ronald McDonald did not run up to you put a gun to your head and say eat these 3 grease patties

Reuters - Dayton, OH - Glen Wright is suing McDonalds for creating an obesity problem that has seen him tip the scales at 987 lbs. He insists that every day at 8:30am, 12:15pm and 5:45pm Ronald McDonald, dressed in military gear, would point an Uzi at his head and order him to attend the drive through, where he would spend no less than twenty dollars per meal.

"The drive through clerk just ignored the mad clown with the gun to my head." Mr. Wright sobbed over the phone. "It was terrible. I was so traumatized that I'd go home and eat fourteen bags of tater tots just to calm down."

Mr. Wright's lawyer, J.C. Swindler, says "McDonalds is going to pay for my clients suffering and mental anguish. I mean, he has had to buy a lift just to take a crap. He has also developed a fear of McDonaldland characters, and dreams of the Hamburgler stealing his potato chips, Coca Cola and ten gallon chocolate ice cream."

McDonalds refused to comment, other than saying "Ronald has been under a lot of stress lately, but we're certain that he doesn't own an Uzi."

Re:I don't... (1)

FosterKanig (645454) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845235)

Great. Now I'm hungry.

duh (1)

HunterA3 (553453) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844939)

Of course most Americans want the government to do everything for them. It's a CNN poll for Christ sake.

Oh God no... (1)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844944)

People are stupid, and in general should stfu.

What I mean, is that if Congress is moved into action, the internet will not become safer, but rather the only thing that will change is that there will be more government enforcement of MPAA/RIAA copyrights, more wiretapping, and more TAXES. What I mean is, nothing will improve (for the people), it will only be worse.

-d

What can they do? (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844950)

There is nothing that the governemt can do except for foceing all ISP to Virus Check the emails that they recieve, and keep their virus scanner up to date. But that is about it. They can't block porn because first there is no 100% or even 75% good filter on that and could block non-porn as well. They can't block SPAM because it could block non-spam as well. If the closed the door to forgen countries over the internet then we will not be able to compete globally. OK I have an Idea this should work pritty well. To make the Internet safer make Windows Illegal and force everyone to use OpenBSD!

Re:What can they do? (2, Insightful)

abb3w (696381) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845218)

There is nothing that the governemt can do except for foceing all ISP to Virus Check the emails that they recieve, and keep their virus scanner up to date.

How about more aggressively pursing internet based fraud, such as identity theft?

Most Americans (5, Insightful)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844963)

Most Americans don't have a clue about the Internet. If they did they would relise the Internet is as secure and safe as you make it. If you open random attachments and goto www.hotmenfuckingducks.com then you deserve all you get.

Re:Most Americans (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845120)

hotmenfuckingducks.com doesn't exist.

Next time give a GOOD porn site for us to go to!

Re:Most Americans (1)

saintp (595331) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845133)

www.hotmenfuckingducks.com
You asshat! Never get my hopes up like that again!

Wake up to the new truth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12844970)

The peasants are so stupid that they care about the crops and not naked statues in cities. The prolitarians care about basic safety as opposed to esoteric ideas.

Hasn't this been happening over and over again? Common man wants freedom. Geeks made da cool internets and common people moved it and then internet was screwed, with all kinds of stupid laws and problems.

Geeks rejoiced at first when common people were moving in because of the money - geeks are farmers of the WWW and behaved in the same way an apple farmer would when lots of tourits stop by his farm to buy apples. The common folk law follows common people and here we are - they want internet to be "safer".

I do sound elite, but dont you think that this problem was out there all the time? US constitution is also very elite, for that matter. Not everyone gets equal treatment and if you disagree, you must be blind to what goes on in the real world.

Re:Wake up to the new truth (1)

ZackSchil (560462) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845185)

I replied because with your writing style, I can tell you'll check back, looking for a reply. Have a nice day.

Who's behind the Cyber Security Industry Alliance? (2, Informative)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844977)

When you look at some of the members[1] of the Cyber Security Industry Alliance, you see names like McAfee and Symantec. Indeed, it is these companies best financial interests for security to be mandated. Of course they want legislation that demands that each and every computer on the Internet runs their antivirus or firewall software. And of course their surveys will suggest that that's what people want.

References:
[1] https://www.csialliance.org/membership/membershipl ist/ [csialliance.org]

This just in... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12844984)

...American people don't know what the fsck they want! Story at 11...

Seriously though, there's a little truism that goes something like "In democracy, people get exactly the government they deserve", and I'd say it's quite true. We don't know *what* we want, and as such, we end up with crap.

Once people figure out that they have to be engaged with the issues to vote intelligently, then we'll see some change. Maybe a few more centuries of societal progress and we'll get there...

Security? (1)

Bananatree3 (872975) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844994)

It seems that the poll question of do you want to have the government make the internet more secure is a little vague. "Secure" in what term?

Security has many meanings in today's post 9-11 world. Do they mean big brother style filtering for hackers? Software wise in patching the security holes? Security for what?

Well they'll get rid of Windows then. (1)

crovira (10242) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844997)

The statistics are clear.

If they want a safe internet, they musk get rid of Windows and go to Unix (OS X, BSD or Linux.)

The facts are clear. Windows sucks and that can be expected to continue until Microsoft changes EVERYTHING about their development philosophy, which will require changing all the dev tools.

Until that happens, Microsoft will be hackable.

Hurry and regulate me so I can complain about it! (4, Funny)

mattOzan (165392) | more than 9 years ago | (#12844999)

"Are these morons getting dumber or just louder?"

-Mayor Joe Quimby

MS 'or' G'ment (1)

MindSlap (640263) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845007)

"Though, as those polled also don't trust the governmental bodies charged with such security. They also found that more people trust Microsoft with security."

But..and then...Yet if...Really?..the g'ment...M$...Security?..

(*Head Explodes*)

Hackers and Internet auction sites like EBAY (1)

zymano (581466) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845011)

1. Problem -Hackers use holes in operating systems to steal data or hijack computers .

Answer - Before anyone can log on they must use a highly secure OS with firewall and find a way to stop scanning and stop Chinese and Russian fuckers from connecting into the U.S. network.

2.Phony internet auction sites are sucking up alot of FBI and local police resources.

Answer. Make EBAY underwrite(insure and background check) all transactions. There present system of warning people sucks. They are worth billions on paper and do SHIT to stop the con artists except alot of mouth service and tell you to use Paypal. Same goes to Yahoo auctions. IF this can't be done then the government should WARN people not to buy shit from auctions since half the folks are cons or sell defective shit.

People too lazy to learn if not forced (4, Insightful)

FerretFrottage (714136) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845013)

Sure the internet is fully of sleazy stuff we don't want our kids to see and malware that can render our computers useless, but most of these problems wouldn't exist if people knew what they were doing.

When you are old enough to drive, you can't just get in a car a go (I guess you can, but not legally). You have to take a driver's test, you need insurance, you might have a driver probation period, etc. Why? Becuase you are no taking responsibility for not only something that can harm you, but others as well. SUre there a gov/state regulations with regards to driving, but basically you can drive to/from where you please.

Well being that a person's PC can now be used to attack others and spread virsus, that person has the responsibility to learn how to keep there PC up to date with security patches and to stay away from nude B. Spears photos. I've purchased many Dells and none of them come with a warning or label that even attempts to mention that "by taking this PC into your home, you are taking on a great responsibility, etc."

Maybe something like that is needed because we [Americans] want the government to do everything for us, oh, but don't raise our taxes....just print more money

Re:People too lazy to learn if not forced (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845204)

Do you know how to troubleshoot the computer-controlled ignition in your car when it isn't working properly? Then why should you be expected to know how to configure your own firewall?

Most Americans... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12845023)

have been whipped into a sense of insecurity by their government, A sense of entitlement by their society and are so far removed from the realities of the 'world' (not their world, the world as in the whole earth), that they cannot even begin to comprehend it.

If possible, they would like someone to maintain the status quo, possibly save them from any harm and even eventual death and would probably pay a lot for that service....

Hey, wait a minute, maybe that's the missing step...

1. Whip people into a frenzy.
2. Offer them complete, total and absolute insurance from all calamities of the world.
3. Profit!!!

what most people want (2, Insightful)

scotty777 (681923) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845033)

lower taxes

more services

more control over folks that seem threatening

more privacy for themselves.

the thing is: most Americans are pragmatic; they settle for a good beer and cheap cable tv

Well Hang on... (1)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845045)

There's something to this. Why the hell should I be innundated with pen1s elargement email or v1agra email? It's my right to not have that shit come to my mailbox too.

I got nailed on www.ewanted.com by someone. Said they would deliver me a lens for my camera for a decent price.

I sent the money. Here's what happened [dynds.ws]

Yeah, I was dumb. I got my money back from paypal.

I filed a complaint with the consumer protection agency. The people never responded so they just closed the case. I was very disappointed that they didn't place fraud charges. But I still got my money back, and I'm sure paypal nailed them. Paypal rocks. I wouldn't have sent money if it wasn't for paypal.

Re:Well Hang on... (1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845267)

Paypal rocks. I wouldn't have sent money if it wasn't for paypal.

I hate to say it, but you're lumped in with all of these ignorant people asking for more government control of the Net... You see, PayPal is a private, for-profit corporation... NOT a bank. If they decide to hold your funds, not refund them, not pay you, etc. (they do this frequently.. I have lots of secondhand experience from friends and family being fucked by them) it's up to you to get a lawyer and sue them in court. If you paid with a credit card, you have federal laws making the credit card companies (Visa, MC, Amex, Discover) liable for refunding your money if you get defrauded. You got very lucky, even though you made two stupid decisons here. Next time, use your credit card, and get rid of your PayPal account.

Checks and balances (1)

myenigmaself (602643) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845049)

I'd support government regulation/surveillance if there was another independent group set up to audit/check up on them. I think the main privacy issue is that the information the agency gathers would be use maliciously or unlawfully. Having an independent auditor should remedy that.

That doesn't surprise me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12845050)

Most US Citizens voted for Bush

People, people, people... (1)

DonJoe (888954) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845078)

Here we go again. Luckily, the US doesn't own the 'net. - but perhaps that wont stop them :0

They SHOULD make it safer! (1)

viva_fourier (232973) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845091)

I hope they do make it safer -- I've had numerous internet-related injuries from tripping on cat5, once I dropped a router on my foot, CRT eyestrain, carpal tunnel syndrome... The list goes on!

Help us Alberto Gonzales, you're our only hope!

Ha ha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12845092)

Arent these the same guys who laughed at http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/06/07/1619215.shtml [slashdot.org] ">China couple of days ago :)

ummm...no we don't... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12845093)

Keep the gov't the hell away from regulating the internet. If they're getting bored in Washington, here's a few ideas to work on:

Secure our border with Mexico.

Secure our ports.

Secure our private pensions...i.e. - keep the greedy bastards running our corporations from looting our pension funds.

Raise the minimum wage.

Funding for alternate energy sources.

etc...

My Conclusion (1)

vmalloc_ (516438) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845099)

I don't know about you guys, but the only conclusion I got out of this poll is that average American internet users are stupid and don't know what they want. No real surprises here, if you don't know anything about the internet than you shouldn't have any opinion on how to change it. This was a pretty idiotic poll IMHO. Let's poll mall-goers next to see which method of surgical cutting they prefer.

I guess you could note that people are getting edgy about the security problems on the 'net. But what the hell is government going to do about that? If you have a problem with worms, blame Microsoft's complete inability to understand what a buffer overflow is. For spam, ask your ISP why they haven't put in a spam filter yet. These are generally resolveable problems that the government can't do diddily squat to fix.

What most Americans want doesn't mean shit (0, Flamebait)

Nicholas Evans (731773) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845109)

Most Americans want the government making the Internet safer, eh? That's good for them, but it's too god damned bad that America doesn't own the Internet.

How about most Americans get off of their lazy asses and install bloody norton?

Re:What most Americans want doesn't mean shit (1)

hairyfeet68 (891417) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845274)

Actually we do,HA HA.In case you haven't noticed he who has the biggest guns makes the rules.I can't believe i'm saying this but,Damn i miss the soviet union.It kept our leaders from going nutty with power.

Scary? (5, Insightful)

wolf31o2 (778801) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845122)

This sort of thing scares the shit out of me. Besides being an American and working on a faily predominant open source project, I am also a Systems Engineer at a telecommunications company, working on the ISP side of the house. I've seen what government regulation can do on the telco side of the house, and it is truly scary to think that people would actually want the government getting involved in their Internet connection. Without even going into the political aspects of this, how the hell would they possibly be able to do anything on a global, distributed network such as the Internet? Are we going to have the "Great FireWall of America" right along with the Chinese? Better yet, who's going to protect us from ourselves?

While I can understand people believing that Microsoft is the answer to their prayers, I respond with this. Microsoft should be! They should make sure that their systems have reasonable defaults. They should do more to secure their OS. This isn't just something Microsoft is liable for, everyone producing software should be making their software as safe as possible, out of the box. One thing we definitely do not need is a bunch of fat cat politicians who don't understand nor care about the problem making more laws controlling how things are done on a network that isn't bound by political boundaries, who are only working on the behalf of their "constituents" and "special interests" and not us, the American people.

Also, who are we to tell other countries what to do? And if we don't tell other countries what to do, then how the hell can the government do anything that would actually be beneficial?

Perhaps more work needs to be done at the ISP level to ensure customer safety. Perhaps more work needs to be done by the software vendors to ensure customer safety. However, I know for sure that the government really needs to stay the hell out of it. They've proven time and time again that technology is not something that they understand. Couple that with the fact that technology changes much mroe rapidly than a slow-moving government is capable of handling, and I think we all can see where this is going.

Then again, Joe Sixpack thinks it is a good idea, and they seem to be the guys actually out there running this country, so maybe it is time I start looking at other countries to reside in, rather than allow my personal liberties to be eroded by Joe AOLuser can't figure out to turn on the fscking firewall.

In other news... (1)

FatSean (18753) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845124)

Most people too stupid to live.

Well you see...you have 'gods' and 'clods'...

The First Amendment, like it or not (5, Insightful)

Morganth (137341) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845135)

Noam Chomsky once said the first amendment says you have to allow for free speech for everyone, not just "free speech for ideas you like."

If "securing" the Internet means making it less easy for crackers to break into systems, then I'm all for it, but doubt the government will be much help. For that, we should probably be looking at the work done in security research in Universities across the land.

If securing the Internet means preventing little Johnny from learning about crime ae and murder and sex, well then there is a very simple solution: prevent your child from accessing the Internet.

Little Johnny can just as easily find those things by wandering around town, entering restaurants, stores, parks and local hangouts. But that doesn't mean we should ban speech in public places. It just means if you want to protect your children from ideas you don't like, then protect them, god damnit. Understand that browsing the web is just like walking around town without parental supervision. Don't blame the publishers: blame yourself!

I just met a few parents who let their kid browse the web for hours on end. Eventually, they found out this 13 year old girl was sending naked photos of herself to random 40 year olds online with her webcam. So what did they do? Tried to sue the website that allowed her to do that (buddypic.com), of course! Did she ever think that she might be at fault, for allowing her daughter to browse around the web without any inkling of what is Right and what is Wrong in her innocent mind?

America: land of irresponsible but accusatory parents, who'll shred our constitution if it means they can watch their shitty network TV ("CSI is on!") while their children entertain themselves any way they can, so long as it is state-controlled and state-monitored.

Doesn't surprise me (1)

taskforce (866056) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845137)

This doesn't surprise me, as at one time most Americans used AOL as their ISP. (I don't know if this is still true.)

Swooning (1)

FunWithHeadlines (644929) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845140)

"They also found that more people trust Microsoft with security"

Me: (Swooning to the ground) THUD!

Me: Getting up, looking at that sentence again...THUD!

Me: Lying on the ground, having that sentence reverberate through my mind...Head goes THUD!

Americans don't get it (2, Interesting)

RickPartin (892479) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845154)

But most Americans have no idea how the Internet works or why it is so vital. They see the Internet as an entertainment device. Like the TV, just another thing. They don't see it as the most amazing medium for free speech humanity has ever seen. Just like in the real world if we want to keep our rights and privacy we will have to put up with some crime. The internet is no different.

They don't realize that making the internet "safe" will just cripple and ruin it.

What a bunch of sheep (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12845160)

No wonder the masses won't use encryption. No wonder why we let the REAL ID act pass.

Please Cue: (1)

devphaeton (695736) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845166)

Please Cue:

1) The comments about welfare-sucking Liberals that want someone else to do everything for them

2) The comments about the stupidity of Americans

3) The comments about irrelevant/flamebait articles

4) The "Just Use Linux/A MAC[sic]" mantra that is blind chestbeating/dickwaving moreso than some carefully considered solution.

And don't forget to mod this comment with one each of everything on the list!

Step 0 (1)

nurd68 (235535) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845188)

Remove all Windows machines from the internet.

No more Zombie nets used to DDOS and act as spam relays.

Well...shit. (1)

jacobcaz (91509) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845209)

Great - the government will get involved and just fuck things up. For every single good requirement there will be donzens of brain-dead requirements too. A perfect example is C-TPAT (a knee-jerk customers/boarder program in our "post 9/11" world).

My company is currently going through our C-TPAT validation (our audit is Monday actually) and while there are some nuggest of good ideas and practices I've seen in the C-TPAT documentation, there are reams and reams of requirements that you know were stuck in there by some asshat beauracrat with a personal agenda.

So now instead of just doing the smart and sane things we already do we have to pile on a heap of new requirements that are costing us a lot of time and money to implement.

C-TPAT is supposed to make "things" safer, but I've not managed to determine exactly what "things" will be made safer, or how it will happen because now I officially can't smoke in my data center (yes, that's an official requirement).

<sarcasm>
Yea goverment involvement
</sarcasm>

Stupid American. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12845214)

Wait, I thought microsoft was the goverment???

Encryption (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12845223)

Somewhat off-topic but I would like to know a little on the subject of encryption. Is there any way one can encrypt data and send it over the Internet without the ISP ever seeing it in its plain form?

I heard FreeBSD has an encrypted file system but I am more interested in the exchange of data. Can I tunnel all my data through SSH (or PuTTY on Windows)? Are there more practical solutions? I'd also like to know, if I encrypt the data I send can the recipient read it without additional software?

Finally, could I be sued by my ISP for accidentally ending up on a site not compliant to the article 2257 about underage models?

Most Americans only want what they're told to want (1)

jocknerd (29758) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845232)

We're mostly a bunch of sheep.

An Open Letter (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845240)

Dear Nanny Government,

Please protect me from myself. If I knew as little about operating my car as I know about operating my computer, I wouldn't be able to get out of my own driveway, yet I would be a mortal danger to everyone in my city. I would have no concept of speed limits, driving on the proper side of the road, pedestrain crossings or the rights of others. Oftentimes I would simpy let my car roam free, with no driver at all.

If I took care of my car the way I take care of my computer, I'd be driving a 1956 Chevy Bel-Air with four flat tires. The oil wouldn't have been changed since 1967. Great gouts of smoke would belch from the exhaust, choking everybody in my vicinity. My 12-year-old nephew would come over occasionally to chase away the vermin that multiplied in the back seat. The manufacturer of my car would think a cross between a Pinto and a Corvair was the epitome of safety.

In short, I am a danger and a nuisance to myself, and everyone around me. Please rectify this sorry situation by legislating that all competent drivers be treated as though they were me.

Thanks,
My Dad

Re:An Open Letter (1)

devphaeton (695736) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845301)

That's excellent!

If it weren't such a horribly true comparison it would have made my day.

Thanks for sharing :-)

same americans that think bush is telling truth? (1)

kwanbis (597419) | more than 9 years ago | (#12845295)

they probably think that sadam had nukes, and that the climate is not changing, and that USA *is* the world ...
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