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Telepresence Via Matter Imaging

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the reach-out-and-touch-someone dept.

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Qa32 writes "Computer scientists in the U.S. are developing a system which would allow people to convey a solid 3D recreation of themselves over the Internet. From the article: 'When you watch something created by claymation, it is a real object and it looks like it's moving itself. That's something like the idea we're doing... in our case, the idea is that you have computation in the 'clay', as though the clay can move itself.'"

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Summary (0, Redundant)

823723423 (826403) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848849)

Cameras would capture the movement of an object or person and then this data would be fed to the atoms, which would then assemble themselves to make up an exact likeness of the object

Re:Summary (1)

knigitz (714500) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849424)

This would give a whole new meaning to cybersex.. And could you imagine the GNAA using this technology to spread goatse? It would be a whole new level of disturbing.

Additional project (1)

Propaganda13 (312548) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849662)

My project is digitize a person's brain so it can be sent across the internet to control these clay bodies. When you're done, the digitized brain is then sent back and overwrites any changed neural pathways.

I'm...um...working on it just like these guys, so how come I'm not in the news. I'm...um...just waiting for these guys to finish their part so I can finalize testing.

Next project: warp engines

kind of like Star Wars (4, Interesting)

yagu (721525) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848854)

From the article:

And he stressed this would be useful for much more than simple video conferencing.

"It's very artificial to talk to somebody through a glass wall, which is effectively what you have when you have a screen," he added.

If someone could make this work, I could see it being a useful improvement over traditional video-conferencing technology, albeit, maybe a bit eerie and weird to get used to.

I worked for a large corporation, and they continued to pump large sizes of dollars into each successive generation of new televideo conferencing equipment to the promise of it "like being in the room with your Denver peers" (putting aside for the moment I have no peers). And, while each generation was an improvement, the experience never even approached like being in the same room for so many reasons, but like the article points points out, maybe one of the biggest reasons was the permanent glass barrier.

I found no matter how "good" the quality got, it was always an annoying way to communicate and I finally opted for any of those meetings to participate from my desk via phone, no video.

However, for those who have seen Revenge, I found the "pseudo" conferencing whereby remote participants (at this point that line becomes blurred) existed as holograms, sitting in a chair in the room with everyone else. That may be eerie, but I think the biological nature of man would quickly overcome that weirdness and it could soon seem as if the person were really there.

Or, this could just be a bunch of hoooie.

Computer Imaging & Chinese Military (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12848981)

Beijing is aggressively modernizing the computing infrastructure of its military [phrusa.org] . Chinese nationals should be barred from participating in American research projects involving such advanced computer technologies like 3D computer imaging.

Re:kind of like Star Wars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12849141)

Or, this could just be a bunch of hoooie.

I think you mean hooey [reference.com]
Signed,
The Grammar Conservative

Re:kind of like Star Wars (1)

RickPartin (892479) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849164)

I've never used professional video conferencing equipment before. What are the microphones like? Is it just one really nice one in the middle or several scattered around the room?

Re:kind of like Star Wars (1)

Sensible Clod (771142) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849644)

One really nice one ( where nice == >$200 ), only it doesn't have to be in the middle. I work in a building where it's in front of all the tables, right below the plasma screen and camera.

The MetaVerse! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12849230)

Snow Crash !!

Peep down on some AG .... (2, Insightful)

hot_Karls_bad_cavern (759797) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849575)

...Access Grid.

Peep in on it; needs work, but works.

Get down on it for real 'edge work" ....the money wouldn't be laid down if it didnt' work.

Money talks and AG has plenty from uni's all about.

Re:Peep down on some AG .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12850172)

What in hell sort of grammar you at, boy?

I think what the poster is trying to say is that the Access Grid exists and works, funded in universities. It does indeed work, but is still rather clunky (and strangely becoming clunkier each time I see it): AG1.x while basically just various tools duct taped together with a browser, seems to be to have been easier to manage than AG2, which is a lump of python full of Globus-y crap as a UI, with the same old video tools (VIC and RAT) tacked on. The really important bit of video conferencing, ie the video tools, has been scandalously neglected to date, while the frontend wxpython lump that is Yet Another New (and very quirky) Interface to learn keeps changing each release. It would have been far better for them to stick with the browser and improve (or dump and rewrite from scratch!) VIC and RAT. The probably should have outright merged with VRVS too.

Re:kind of like Star Wars (2, Funny)

mr_z_beeblebrox (591077) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849985)

And he stressed this would be useful for much more than simple video conferencing.

Of course it would, think of the porn. On second thought, think of the kittens.

I wonder (2)

udderly (890305) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848855)

I wonder if it would be possible to edit my 3D representation to make me look better.

Re:I wonder (5, Funny)

Seumas (6865) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848888)

This is computational clay. Not MAGIC clay.

Re:I wonder (2, Funny)

keyboardkungfu (889341) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849031)

IF you are ugly .. i don't think the clay is gonna help. From my close friends in unnamed clans that, i have never seen before in my life... i don't want to see them, really. I really REALLY don't want to see them, just talking to them for one min on aim make me wonder why they are vergens. ;) If this 'claymation' becomes popular.. I'm waiting for the skins hack to show up. Click here to look like Carmen Electra even though you are a 500 pound fat ass WHALE! Screw claymation. Screw Bush! heh.. back to my sutter home.

The SIMS? (1)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848856)

Isn't this just a lot of peer reviewed thesis backed "The SIMS"?

Re:The SIMS? (1)

pla (258480) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849052)

Isn't this just a lot of peer reviewed thesis backed "The SIMS"?

Y'know, you might have meant that as a joke, but on a more serious note, why wouldn't we transmit a sort of fictitious avatar rather than a true representation of ourselves?

Why do a "live" 3d conference, when you can simply fix everything you've never liked about yourself? Perhaps you consider your nose a bit large, or don't like your current hair-color, or want bigger eyes (they inspire trust via that whole creepy-baby psychological thing, very useful in business dealings).

Personally, I don't look good in a suit (the sort of person you just know hates every second of it, and would rather have on flip-flops, cutoffs and a T)... Why should my telepresence suffer from that same problem?

Re:The SIMS? (1)

PakProtector (115173) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849758)

And we shall call it... EverQuest.

/me does the Doctor Evil Thing.

This could (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12848863)

Really change the future of net sex!

Re:This could (3, Funny)

RickPartin (892479) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849115)

Any technological improvement must first benefit porn before it can take off. It's an unspoken rule. For example every single geek wishes for a holodeck for the soul purpose of holosex.

Re:This could (2, Funny)

N3Roaster (888781) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849199)

Any technological improvement must first benefit porn before it can take off. It's an unspoken rule.
Unspoken, huh?

Re:This could (1)

anniedee (893075) | more than 9 years ago | (#12850124)

Just producing a solid version seems unlikely enough. So for porn, sure. Producing a warm, wet, and, I guess, more importantly, orificed interactive version seems somewhat more complex and definitely beyond the realms of this lifetime....

fist psot (-1, Troll)

SaveHubble (875949) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848875)

fzzzisttt psoottt@!!!@# m,atter thru internet is fancyy

I am live or am I Memorex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12848878)

They only way to tell is to smell.

Re:I am live or am I Memorex? (1)

craXORjack (726120) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849072)

They only way to tell is to smell.

You'll know you're in trouble when a blind person you've never met can tell that you are 280 pounds, have long greasy hair, haven't showered in three days, and watched Revenge of the Sith eighteen times. Oh, and you are trying to get Linus to merge your kernel mods into the main development tree.

And pr0n technology moves 1 step closer (4, Funny)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848882)

to being the real thing sans the nagging.

Funny but Not Funny (1)

mfh (56) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849009)

And pr0n technology moves 1 step closer to being the real thing sans the nagging

I think this kind of invention could help couples who are far away from eachother to stay intimate, so on a serious note this might be a really good thing to have for soldiers and their spouses (because many soldiers are women today).

Yes the sex industry would certainly cash in on this in an attempt to cheapen it -- but think of the STD prevention...

Re:Funny but Not Funny (4, Funny)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849035)

omg, the thoughts of demolition man style sex make me wanan find whoever is doing this research and SHOOT THEM NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!

Re:Funny but Not Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12849051)

I'm with you!!

Re:Funny but Not Funny (5, Funny)

jamesh (87723) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849139)

I wonder what thoughts would have been conjured up in my head had I not known that 'Demolition Man' was a movie :)

Re:And pr0n technology moves 1 step closer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12849738)

That gives a whole new meaning to goatse.

Great! Just what we need... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12848883)

Great! Just what we need. A bunch of fat, bald, "claymation" old men running around in their underwear on the Internet looking for dates. It's bad enough they are already stuck behind the bright light of their computer screen doing this. Now they can practically "enter" the Internet for all to see!

Kind of reminds me of that Futurama episode where they all used VR gear to enter the Internet -- with an overall TRON-like feel. You had to love the chat rooms, with all of the guys cowering in one corner.

Re:Great! Just what we need... (1)

RickPartin (892479) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849125)

My favorite part of the episode:
Hey lets do a search! *moves heads around searching*

Naw...not that episode (4, Funny)

Rhinobird (151521) | more than 9 years ago | (#12850022)

This is more like that episode where Fry gets a robot copy of Lucy Liu. we just have to insert a blank robot in the drive and copy the information over and BAM!...a robo-mation copy of Gillian Anderson.

Davey and Goliath (3, Funny)

hedley (8715) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848884)


Don't doooo it Daaaaveeeey!!!

H.

Re:Davey and Goliath (1)

paRcat (50146) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849110)

I'm sick of your lack of faith! [lights the bomb and jams it into Jobriath's mouth]

Re:Davey and Goliath (1)

EvilMidnightBomber (778018) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849210)

Don't doooo it Daaaaveeeey

No kidding, especially if you overhear one of the techs mumble something about "balancing the equation".

first post???? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12848894)

fuck my pee pee shit ZONK

Not quite. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12848922)

You were off by a grand total of 9 minutes. It is so pathetic, in fact, that I would give 10 years of my life just to get the few moments I spent typing this reply to you back.

Hmm... (5, Interesting)

excelblue (739986) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848901)

I wonder what would happen if I were to touch the replicated object and attempt to mess around with the inner parts of it.

Or what kind of disaster would I end up with if there was some serious lag in the information? How about corrupted info?

Re:Hmm... (3, Funny)

RickPartin (892479) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849142)

Completely consuming and destroying your hand silly. All futuristic technology has to be able to spontaneously kill people as a rule.

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12849218)

Only if you're wearing a red shirt.

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12849293)

Dude, don't you ever watch Stargate [gateworld.net] ?

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12850242)

Ah, yes. The proverbial killer app for the internet. Full haptic feedback, no condom required.

I think this is a little ways off... (1)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848910)

I'd say that high-fallutin' use of Internet2 and HD-res cams/displays with quality stereo audio is going to make a more satisfying interaction for a long time before some jostling tennis-ball-sized blobs will do anything beside distract from the conversation.

Increase in crime (4, Insightful)

Newrad (692715) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848911)

Could this be used from crime sprees? Dress up in all black and then project yourself in a bank and steal the money. Or use your projected self and start beating people up on the streets, it's the perfect crime. If the comes up you just turn the thing back to dust.

Re:Increase in crime (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12849327)

Only if Banks started installing claymation projectors in them, and arming all incoming claymation projections with real guns.

In essense, no.

Re:Increase in crime (1)

Cappy Red (576737) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849422)

Well, from a storytelling perspective, the installation of the projectors into the banks is the only real snag. Well, that and the fact that you can't see through the eyes of your claymation sellf. You could always conjure up some way to leave your clay self the tools necessary to do the deed, but unless the projector had the range to get your clay self to the cash, and you could arrange for some additional eyes, you'd be screwed.

Re:Increase in crime (1)

ksheff (2406) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849785)

the banks could do that but only allow in-house connections. the security guards or tellers would be claymation people and wouldn't have to worry about being shot by bank robbers and could shoot back w/o being in any real danger.

So... (3, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848912)

Wouldn't creating a copy of another person be a form of piracy? Yet another technology that the movie/record industry will try to eliminate. After all, why should anyone be allowed to have a personal duplicate of Michael Jackson at home.

Re:So... (1)

Newrad (692715) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848934)

Concerts would be cheaper to make as you can cut down on travel costs, and have all the concerts on one night.

Re:So... (4, Funny)

myowntrueself (607117) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848936)

"After all, why should anyone be allowed to have a personal duplicate of Michael Jackson at home."

Maybe it could be used as a form of punishment? Something like distributed penal servitude.

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12849138)

"After all, why should anyone be allowed to have a personal duplicate of Michael Jackson at home."

Maybe it could be used as a form of punishment? Something like distributed penal servitude.

That's scary. Sounds a bit too much like 'contributed penile attitude'

Re:So... (1)

Monkeman (827301) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848940)

Why would they want to?

(Don't answer that.)

Re:So... (1)

zerocool^ (112121) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848959)


why should anyone be allowed to have a personal duplicate of Michael Jackson at home.

...

Indeed.

Re:So... (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849033)

Why would anyone want a personal duplicate of Michael Jackson?

I'd be more interested in Lucy Liu, even if only for the obligatory Futurama reference.

Claymation. (1)

reality-bytes (119275) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848925)

TBH, I'd steer away from the 'Claymation' moniker because I'm absolutely convinced it was a trademark of a CGI company operating roughly ten years ago.

I seem to remember that this company produced some impressive stuff (for the time) - if anyone has info about them now, I'd be much obliged....

Yeah... (1)

William Robinson (875390) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848935)

It's very artificial to talk to somebody through a glass wall

Watching p0rn too. Cant wait to feel those boobs...

Re:Yeah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12848998)

And they want their boobs felt, too. But it isn't going to happen for you by reloading slashdot sonny.

If this ever becomes affordable... (1)

ImagistTD (890609) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848941)

...imagine the spams you'll get. H0tt chixx clamationz! I don't want to think of what would happen if they started producing these in life size.

Shape shifting robots (4, Funny)

isny (681711) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848962)

Sounds like some strange combination of the T1000 from Terminator 2 and Gumby.

Re:Shape shifting robots (2, Funny)

dangitman (862676) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849156)

Sounds like some strange combination of the T1000 from Terminator 2 and Gumby.

The Gumbinator?

in the clay? that's just wrong..... (1)

frovingslosh (582462) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848965)

Copulation in the 'clay"? Figures the porn industry would rush to get involved in this.

Nano Dust ... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12848980)

Professor Goldstein has envisioned that, eventually, the objects will be built with "nano-dust" - tiny objects that can be programmed to bind to each other and move - but currently they are trying to build at a much larger scale, working with objects the size of table-tennis balls.

If he's going to try and invent "nano dust" (whatever that is) I think we're in for a long wait.

One Word: Boobies (4, Funny)

pipingguy (566974) | more than 9 years ago | (#12848982)


A fellow slashdotter told me about the boob mouse a few weeks ago. Since getting two, I haven't left the house. With this new innovation, I may never move from the computer chair.

Re: Boob mouse has one button only? (1)

kanweg (771128) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849686)

I assume it has one button only. Does this mean it is Mac only?

Bert

Its a nano-waldo (2, Insightful)

rufusdufus (450462) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849010)

1) Take old idea [character-shop.com]
2) Pull some nano-clay out of your ass.
3) Profit!!

Going to take more than a printer (1)

stuffduff (681819) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849055)

Even if they 'automagically' re assemble every molecule, state, position and kinetic energy; there is no opportunity for the consciousness to be transferred.

Re:Going to take more than a printer (3, Funny)

dark-br (473115) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849074)

Ok... keep Pamela Adersons "consciousness" to yourself and just give me her body ;)

Re:Going to take more than a printer (1)

42forty-two42 (532340) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849109)

First, if every molucle, state, position, etc, then of course consciousness would be transferred - there's nothing that wasn't transferred except perhaps quantum state (and MRIs screw with that do it can't be too important).

Second, RTFA. This isn't star trek transporter technology, it's star trek hologram artificial matter tech.

Re:Going to take more than a printer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12849442)

Just a simple question:

What drags your consciousness along into new reference frames as time flows? It wouldn't be all the states, positions, and kinetic energies of the molecules, would it?

Do you honestly think that somehow our consciousness knows how to slip from the past into the future and slightly to one side as we walk, but would have great difficulty being put to sleep, disassembled, and reassembled elsewhere? Where would this magical consciousness lie, and what would it be made of? If you are a dualist, what exactly would stop your mind from finding your body again in a different place like it already does when you move through time and space? The movement may just be slightly more exaggerated by teleportation, but the concept is the same.

Re:Going to take more than a printer (1)

myukew (823565) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849915)

How can you know? Since nobody knows what this "consciousness" is nobody can tell whether it's bound to our body's matter or not. It could be very well possible that consciousness is transfered with a perfect copy of the body.

Wow them books are coming true (2, Interesting)

neonenergy (888041) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849095)

Has anyone read Kiln People? (isbn 0765342618)

well here is a brief summary (from amazon):

Just about everyone's had a day when they've wished it were possible to send an alternate self to take care of unpleasant or tedious errands while the real self takes it easy. In Kiln People, David Brin's sci-fi-meets-noir novel, this wish has come true. In Brin's imagined future, folks are able to make inexpensive, disposable clay copies of themselves.

COUGH COUGH

Re:Wow them books are coming true (1)

mamahuhu (225334) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849301)

Yes, David Brin even mentioned this in his Blog.

davidbrin.blogspot.com [blogspot.com]

It's a shame there was no reference to his novel in the article - they even used the word clay to describe the technology. It seems a clear case of plagerism to me - but I guess you do not get funding for ideas you lift from novels... errr except for Space Elevators...

David Brin linked to the New Scientist version of the article.

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/mech-tech/mg18 625031.800 [newscientist.com]

Not going to take off. (1)

RickPartin (892479) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849102)

I really don't see this taking off for the same reason video phones don't take off (unless they figure out a way to use it for porn of course). Simply talking to the person over the phone is enough. You don't have to care about your visual appearance. I can sit around in my underwear if I feel like it. In a business meeting scenario seeing the other party is nice but for every day one on one I think the phone works fine.

fuck science (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12849116)

fuck technology

Bash (1)

RickPartin (892479) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849131)

Finally HatfulOfHollow from this Bash.org conversation [bash.org] will get his wish.

Not just conferencing. (1)

RickPartin (892479) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849153)

Thinking this technology would only be used for video conferencing of all things is pretty naive. I'm sure we would see this applied to movies, video games, pr0n, and user interfaces. Who else can think of more ideas?

Er... Holodeck? (1)

Thedalek (473015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849169)

So this is it. The end of humanity is at hand. We'll finally have the Holodeck, and no more innovation, invention, or creativity will occur, ever. Why would it need to?

Okay, before anyone jumps on me for this, no, I don't seriously think this will destroy humanity. It might seriously damage some marriages, and probably send a huge pile of money towards the porn industry, but humanity will be safe... until we have a computer capable of simulating any scenario we care to imagine, as well as provide us with unlimited sustinance in any form we choose. Then we're doomed.

Dangerous? (2, Interesting)

RickPartin (892479) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849179)

I'm assuming this device could create objects other than human beings. What are the dangerous of being able to project custom objects onto someone's desk? Could I for example stab someone when they came near the device? It will be interesting how they create safeguards.

Nervousness at a distance (1)

whereiswaldo (459052) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849182)


If your clay self was giving a speech to a thousand people, would you yourself (in the other room) be nervous?

Malda, remember.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12849191)

...to buy your husband Micheal a Father's Day Card. It might make him feel better after last's year fiasco when you thought you were taking on the masculine role in your homosexual relationship. Micheal got real pissed off then, he beat you up and shoved his unlubed cock up your ass. So, even though you guys are unable to have a child, it might make him forgive you.

Osama bin Laden Fatwa (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12849232)

Osama bin Laden Fatwa

Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans - 1998

Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998

Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh.

Praise be to God, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said "I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders." The Arabian Peninsula has never--since God made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas--been stormed by any forces like the Crusader armies now spreading in it like locusts, consuming its riches and destroying its plantations. All this is happening at a time when nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.

No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:

First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.

If some people have formerly debated the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it.

The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, still they are helpless.

Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the Crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, in excess of 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.

So now they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.

Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there.

The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal Crusade occupation of the Peninsula.

All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life."

On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.

Almighty God said "O ye who believe, give your response to God and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that God cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."

Almighty God also says "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of God, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For God hath power over all things."

Almighty God also says "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."

sooo (1)

Pinefresh (866806) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849331)

i can finally slap the person on the other end of my aim convos?

Bring on the Clay Dildos and Cavulators (3, Funny)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849349)

I hope these claythings are self cleaning. There's going to be lot's of Windows (exhibitionists), BSD (necropheliacs) and Linux (afraid of girls) fans wanting to get their hands on this technology. (I'm an equal opportunity offender) ;P

Reminds me of... (1)

J Mack Daddy (774273) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849373)

"Help me, Obi-wan Kenobi. You're my only hope."

I can't believe I'm the first to say it... (1)

GuruBuckaroo (833982) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849394)

"I for one welcome our Claymation Overlords..."

Re:I can't believe I'm the first to say it... (1)

Newrad (692715) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849478)

I can't believe you are the sixth to say it.

Re:I can't believe I'm the first to say it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12849791)

dont get ahead of your self buddy. Last week they decided to rate these comments -1 due to there repetitivness.

Re:I can't believe I'm the first to say it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12849856)

(1) Rest assured you were not the first THINKING it.. But could it be true? Are the slashbots overcoming the pattern-joke reflex? The sheeple say "yay" and there is much rejoicing.

(2) ???

(3) Profit!

Why not use this technology for something like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12849470)

...projecting Braille dots so blind people can read machine text instead of having it read to them by some text-to-speech program?

Re:Why not use this technology for something like. (1)

Newrad (692715) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849596)

That doesn't involve pornography or online gambling, or online dating so I doubt anyone would do it.

Best. Porn. Ever. (1)

nonymous Covvard (889283) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849611)

That's all they really need to say.

So we have... (1)

wertarbyte (811674) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849625)

as though the clay can move itself.'."

So we get some kind of digital golem [wikipedia.org] ?

Interesting Article (1)

benjamindees (441808) | more than 9 years ago | (#12849641)

There was an interesting article, in New Scientist I think. Intel were the ones funding it. They basically said they could actually be building these things within a few years. These self-organizing particles could do things like pick up a battery and carry it around as a power source. They also said most of the work revolved around the algorithms to get basic autonomous units to self-organize.

RPG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12850166)

But I want my character to be cool and strong and beautiful and smart and can cast magic spells and have big sword!

I dont want my character in the game to look like me or be me!

obi wan (1)

jlebrech (810586) | more than 9 years ago | (#12850192)

now thats how we can send obi wan distres messages.
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