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Google vs. Yahoo: On a Collision Course

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the get-your-work-on dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "It's pretty clear from this analysis as to which company is ahead of the game. Take this simple comparison: at Google, engineers are expected to spend one day a week on a project of personal interest. This has resulted in new offerings like Google News and social networking site Orkut. At Yahoo, there are posters promoting the "Idea Factory", where employees are invited to well, submit ideas (read boring)."

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I Work at the FP Factory (0, Offtopic)

princemackenzie (849396) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872206)

Far less boring than the one at Yahoo, and produces far more FPz!

Re:I Work at the FP Factory (-1, Offtopic)

meta.chris (35496) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872313)

You deserve a raise.

Hiring? (-1, Offtopic)

turtled (845180) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872210)

Google sounds like the place I would love to work. They need to open an office in Chicago =)

Re:Hiring? (2, Funny)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872247)

Chicagoogle... find all thing Chicago! : )

Re:Hiring? (3, Funny)

saintp (595331) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872324)

Hah, at first I thought it was a search engine for Latina women.

Re:Hiring? (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872364)

a search engine for Latina women.

Well... that's just much better!

Re:Hiring? (2, Funny)

tzanger (1575) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872390)

Chicagoogle... find all thing Chicago! : )

I personally like goocago better. :-)

Re:Hiring? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12872252)

Do you have a PhD?

Re:Hiring? (1, Interesting)

Quasar1999 (520073) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872287)

Sounds fun, but I much rather work at a company that gives me a task to do, that both the company and I know will generate revenue and continue my employment for the longterm.

Skunk works projects and the like are really fun... but at the end of the day, fun doesn't pay the bills, real work does... and unless you happen to be a genius (or extremely lucky) at coming up with great ideas that make money (in which case why the hell don't you start your own business?), when the times get tough for the company, those who produce the least amount of actual work are the first to go.

So although it sounds great now, when things turn a bit more realistic for google, these perks will very quickly disappear, and you'll see more of what 'yahoo' has...

Re:Hiring? (3, Insightful)

NDPTAL85 (260093) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872412)

Wow you don't know anything about how Google works. The skunk works time that is set aside is by design. Its not a "perk". Its how they stay ahead of the game inovatively. They only hire really really smart people (PhD's) to begin with. So basically everyone there IS a genius. Also the creators of skunk work projects are allocated extra shares of Google to reward them for their creativity.

Its not in any way something "allowed" to mollify the masses.

Re:Hiring? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12872420)

Well, remember, only 20% of the time is your time, so the other 80% you have a specific task to do. And also, fun pays the bills if you're being paid for it, which is what you get at Google...

And if you're a genius, you don't necessarily start your own business because you don't necessarily want to consume every minute of every hour of every day worrying about business, with the occasional interesting technical detail sprinkled in.

Re:Hiring? (1)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872512)

Carly Fiorna! I didn't know you had a slashdot account! BTW, thanks for fixing the R&D labs at HP, they needed a good cleaning out.

Re:Hiring? (4, Insightful)

Eric Giguere (42863) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872517)

There's always a tug-of-war happening in tech companies with respect to innovation. It seems to me that the best companies have people that take a long-term view, looking ahead at what's coming down the pipe, instead of the short-term quarter-by-quarter view. This can be hard in a public company, yes, and it's a difficult balance to achieve.

That said, I don't think everyone likes skunk works projects. The important thing is that people enjoy what they do, whatever it is. A good QA person, for example, is one who derives satisfaction from finding and squashing bugs and ultimately making things better for the customer. Different strokes for different folks. A company like Google will tend to attract the creative I-gotta-think-about-things types because that's what they want. But it doesn't meant that every company has to work that way. Indeed, I doubt every company could work that way.

And don't forget the customer satisfaction angle. I suspect that what really turns the crank of people at Google is that they can come up with projects that will eventually be used by thousands, potentially millions, of people worldwide. They're thinking like customers, and in fact they are customers themselves... and Google's audience is so large in general that I suspect it means that there will always be a group of customers who can identify and enjoy a given skunk works project. And then the audience gets bigger... it's a bit self-perpetuating.

Eric
Google-related: my new book about AdSense for non-techies [memwg.com] is now shipping

Re:Hiring? (1)

markild (862998) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872318)

Even though you hear things like:

"You won't find any bored engineers at Google," the company's Web site says. "You will find friendly colleagues, fascinating projects and the opportunity to make life better for tens of millions of people every day."

..I have problems to belive that it will last. If the company over-expands, and creates to many new projects, I think the situation between colleagues will change dramaticly (even though they makes life better for tens of millions of people every day)...

Re:Hiring? (5, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872418)

They need to open an office in Chicago

I'm in Chicago as well. Imagine my surprise when I noticed that Google Jobs has postings for a new office to be opening in Chicago! Don't believe me? Look here. [google.com] I just hope you have a PHD in triplet if you want to apply. :-/

(Actually, I think Google probably hires 99% of their people through reference or because they worked at other big tech companies. I did some research to see if they have ever hired anyone from the Job postings on their website and came up empty. It may be just because these things are not publicized, but my gut says that emailing to jobs@google.com is a pointless exercise.)

Re:Hiring? (1)

mcho (878145) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872508)

It may be just because these things are not publicized, but my gut says that emailing to jobs@google.com is a pointless exercise.

That's true with most companies. Happy networking...

Re:Hiring? (3, Interesting)

mcho (878145) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872484)

Well, I've heard/read from other sources that Google is the "Wal-Mart" of the internet, in the sense that they don't pay well. (And if I'm wrong, please correct me.)

Working for a cutting-edge company (and working on "skunk works" projects) would be a great experience -- but it's probably not for everyone.

In my short career, I haven't ran into too many people that think of ideas that they want to build. The majority of people just want to put in an honest day and go home. And that's okay.

(I, on the other hand, have a start-up as a side-project -- in addition to my day job -- because of my relentless curosity. I'm just an uber-geek.)

wanker (1)

eh0d is my daddy (825041) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872214)

cheese!!!!!

Orkut? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12872216)

That's a first post!

Yahoo may be boring (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12872225)

But at least those of us without 4.0 GPAs and PhD's can work there.

Dejavu (sp?)!!! (1)

alecks (473298) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872228)

Anyone else feel it?

Re:Dejavu (sp?)!!! (2, Funny)

BlogPope (886961) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872457)

Personally I like how the submitter credits Google Groops to the "innovation policy" at Google. I think I know how that session went

Dude1: I got! We'll buy Deja-News!

Dude2: Brilliant! Have some more options!

fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12872233)

fp

I wonder (4, Interesting)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872237)

I wonder how much of this has to do with Yahoo's age. Yahoo has been around long enough to become a more "standard" company. One that eventually loses touch with its grassroots beginnings and has to take it's catchy phrases from travelling self-help speakers. Google is probably headed that way, but for now they seem to have a few original ideas left in their backpacks.

Re:I wonder (1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872271)

Google's beginnings were a desire to make money. Lots of it. I don't think that there's any chance of them missing sight of that. Anybody who thinks that Google is a altrusitic entity is incredibly naive.

Re:I wonder (4, Insightful)

qwijibo (101731) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872410)

Every business wants to make lots of money. There's nothing wrong with making money providing services people want. The factor that makes people like google is that they do still provide services people want, not just find new ways to scam people out of more money.

Re:I wonder (1)

Dr. Evil (3501) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872487)

What was the old google.stanford.edu thing about? I thought Google was a research project turned company.

Re:I wonder (3, Interesting)

Fitzghon (578350) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872342)

I agree.
Google is an innovative company that comes up with fantastic ideas again and again, and implements them.
On the other hand, the article notes that Yahoo bought the VoIP service DialPad. Yahoo's in-house research team appears deficient when compared to Google's.
Google is snatching up a myriad of the brightest minds around, and I think that over time this will prove to be their most important assent in the "search engine race".

Fitzghon

Re:I wonder (2)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872376)

Yahoo bought the VoIP service DialPad.
and Google isn't buying any services?

Re:I wonder (1)

Fitzghon (578350) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872417)

and Google isn't buying any services?
They are, but this article clearly presents a tilt towards Google.

Fitzghon

Re:I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12872495)

Google is snatching up a myriad of the brightest minds around, and I think that over time this will prove to be their most important assent in the "search engine race".

After all "snatching up" the best minds worked for Xerox and HP huh?

Re:I wonder (4, Insightful)

cybersaga (451046) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872381)

Google is probably headed that way

If Google was headed that way, they would have been there by now. They are huge. They are "standard".

The "20% your time" vs. "submit ideas" is the key. Management rarely sees potential where there is potential. How many times in history have great ideas been turned down because a manager says, "Oh that'll never work"?

At Google, by the time something becomes an official project, they already know it works.

When there's no guessing game, you can't be wrong.

Re:I wonder (1)

PsychicX (866028) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872477)

Maybe Yahoo and Google should just merge and get it over with.

Googledot! All Google All The Time (5, Funny)

JPelorat (5320) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872241)

Google for Google. Google that Googles.

Is it me... (3, Interesting)

InVinoVeritas (781151) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872242)

Or are Yahoo! and Google somehow worth billions of $(US) by selling banner ads.

Uhm, yes? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12872297)

I don't know about Yahoo!, but Google pulled in $3.2 billion from their ad service last year.

Re:Uhm, yes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12872419)

What are these ads [mozdev.org] you speak of?

Re:Is it me... (1)

snorklewacker (836663) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872448)

Google sells google appliances, but yes, the bulk of their revenue comes in the form of banner ads.

Yahoo has a decent number of subscription and premium offerings such as Yahoo Stores. Still, I'd say most of their revenue still comes in the form of banner ads. It's not really so much of a bubble -- advertisers aren't going away, and if there's two places that companies want to want to keep advertising on, it's yahoo and google.

I often wonder how slashdot survives ... good sales channel for thinkgeek perhaps? Hard to tell from VA's 10Q filings, but it seems to make some decent revenue on the cheap if the "online media" portion refers to slashdot and newsforge.

Re:Is it me... (1)

coolcold (805170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872479)

no, slashdot survive by displaying the "Get the Fact" campaign ads in M$ bashing news :-D

Re:Is it me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12872449)

Or are Yahoo! and Google somehow worth billions of $(US) by selling banner ads.

It really boils down to how $(US) is defined.

Google vs. Yahoo? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12872246)

Two search engine companies? Competing?

I am shocked!

Hit the wall... (5, Funny)

markild (862998) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872260)

"I do believe that Google will hit a wall eventually, and it will hit it spectacularly," said the book author Moore. "The real question is: What will it do then?"

Can't they just do it, and get it over with. I'm starting to get tired of all the fuzz about them now a days.

not a portal? (5, Interesting)

bad_outlook (868902) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872267)

Remember when Google said they weren't going to become a portal, and while they have tons of innovation, their 'personalized home page' and email service are starting to feel just like that. Are they just trying to avoid being 'tagged' as one thing and instead trying to retain their own personality? From what I've seen they've taken the leadership role from Yahoo years ago, so I wouldn't worry about anyone trying to piegeon-hole them; they are their own entity and a driving force for the Internet as a whole. Will be interesting to see what Google looks like in 10 years, heck, we'll be able to say "When I was a kid, Google was a search engine, that's it"

Re:not a portal? (1)

ejdmoo (193585) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872320)

Yeah, but at the time, we all hated what a portal was.

I don't mind what they've got.

Plus, the default "www.google.com" will probably not change much.

And Smaller Posters Underneath (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12872268)

that ask people to stop submitting google pages with "Yahoo" photoshopped over "Google."

personal projects not necessarily helpful (2, Interesting)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872272)

While there are great possibilities concerning those personal projects of google employees, it's still a risk. For many employees it could just turn into a wasted day. For others, it could turn into something that Google puts a lot of money into and ends up being a flop. Hopefully enough good (profitable) ideas come out of it but there's no guarantee.

Re:personal projects not necessarily helpful (4, Insightful)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872338)

While there are great possibilities concerning those personal projects of google employees, it's still a risk. For many employees it could just turn into a wasted day. For others, it could turn into something that Google puts a lot of money into and ends up being a flop. Hopefully enough good (profitable) ideas come out of it but there's no guarantee.

That's why they call it R&D.

Re:personal projects not necessarily helpful (1)

Wanderer1 (47145) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872473)

Ah, yes, Risk and Development.

Re:personal projects not necessarily helpful (5, Insightful)

dewboy (22280) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872339)

The risk is definitely there, but what you get from letting your employees go on seredipitous excursions once a week is potentially more valuable than profitable ideas: you get very happy employees. Google already has a rep for hiring only the best and brightest -- seems like they have a good way of holding on to them, as well.

Re:personal projects not necessarily helpful (1)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872464)

Why not two days a week? three? Sooner or later it becomes unprofitable. I'm not saying one day a week is for sure a bad idea. I'm just saying there's no guarantee that it's the most profitable way of going about things.

Also, I'm not sure it's a guarantee that a day a week to work on your own project==happy employees.

What happens after working there for 3 years and your ideas and the things you've spent tons of time on aren't approved to go larger. What happens if you have tons of time but aren't given the assets to see your ideas really get anywhere? You can still feel jacked and underappreciated and all the other things that help create unhappy employees.

my Google project day (1)

rebug (520669) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872341)

Project #1: Eat this delicious pastrami sandwich.
Results: Delicious.

Project #2: Eight hour nap.
Results: Zzzz.

Re:personal projects not necessarily helpful (1)

Rule_Of_The_Bone (893106) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872405)

That is the absolute nature of risk in business. Any engineer knows that!

Google + Yahoo (4, Interesting)

justforaday (560408) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872273)

Google + Yahoo = Twingine [twingine.com] (formerly the much better sounding yagoohoogle)

ZDNet r0x0rz! (5, Insightful)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872274)

...like a one-string ukulele.
Google's US$2.5 billion war chest and freedom let employees throw many new services against the wall to see what sticks. But critics question whether Google has an efficient process for managing innovation. The free e-mail service Gmail, for example, is still in beta testing after nearly two years.
"It's like the Wild West at Google. They have enough money and enough disregard for the status quo," said one industry insider who asked to remain anonymous.
Google uses the word 'beta' as a fig-leaf, to manage user expectations.
Doesn't take a whole lot of brain cells to grasp that.
Then again, ZDNet publishes Dvorak, so go figure...

Re:ZDNet r0x0rz! (1)

0kComputer (872064) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872354)

I think their news module has been in "Beta" for going on 4 years now.

Re:ZDNet r0x0rz! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12872378)

See, there's an important legal reason behind Google News being "beta" after all this time.

It sucks. If Google ever bothers to improve Google News, they risk losing the "beta" status.

Re:ZDNet r0x0rz! (1)

rabbit994 (686936) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872373)

Beta testing my ass. Your right, it's still being "tested" but they are making money off it because I'm seeing those ads in my email. Besides, you can't give AWAY Gmail invitations these days.

My Yahoo integration (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12872277)

Yahoo has been around for a long time. I used them as far back as 95ish. I can't remember when my.yahoo.com came along but I have been a long time user since. However, anyone remember the Denial of Service attacks back in ~2001(?), since then I have been using google, msn, jeeves, in fact all search engines as I was so ingrained into yahoo that I couldn't even search using other engines. But really, the search aspect is such a low priority now that I don't care what engine I use; the real draw of yahoo is the integration of my.yahoo. Google has just now started getting that integration but yahoo has done this for years. I don't think that google will be able to overcome that time/gap that yahoo had in creating it's service. In the long run I believe yahoo will win out.

Down with "portals" and "integration" (1)

Relic of the Future (118669) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872413)

Somedays I feel like a visitor from an alien world on the internet. Integration? my.yahoo? portal? It's like they're speaking. I hope google stays smart, and keeps all their separate services separate. The day I need a gmail account to use google search is the day I stop using google search, and that'll be a sad, sad day.

Boring is sometimes good (2, Interesting)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872302)

This has resulted in new offerings like Google News and social networking site Orkut. At Yahoo, there are posters promoting the "Idea Factory", where employees are invited to well, submit ideas (read boring)."

Is this a flashback to 1999 or what? A sky-high IPO from a company that "thinks outside the box" when it comes to employees. Do they have pinball and video games for their employees to use whenever they want too?

The only difference is that Google actually has a business plan and makes some money. Do they make enough money to support an $80B market cap though? Only time will tell that one.

Yahoo search better than google (1, Troll)

GGardner (97375) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872304)

Google may seem "cooler" than yahoo, but yahoo's search just works better for me than google's. The last couple of times google couldn't find something for me, it was on the first page of search results in yahoo's search. I think that maybe google, in branching out, has lost its focus on search.

Re:Yahoo search better than google (1)

dewboy (22280) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872377)

I think this same thing happened with Yahoo a while back. At first, they were really just a search engine - and the only search most people knew of and used. Then they started adding all kinds of extras - news, games, fantasy sports, etc - and I noticed that their search capabilities went downhill fast. It was about this time that Google came to prominence and many people (including me) made the switch. If Yahoo can re-focus on their search engine, I'm confident Google will do the same.

Re:Yahoo search better than google (1, Troll)

Peter_Pork (627313) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872404)

Oh, yes, and everytime I don't find something in yahoo, I used MSN search. It just works better.

Show me the query, and I'll believe you. Otherwise, I trust Google, the search engine that got us through the dark days of the web (remember the crap Altavista produced?). The Internet as a whole is far more useful thanks to Google. Glad to hear that Yahoo learned a lesson or two though. Others didn't.

Re:Yahoo search better than google (1)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872429)

I'm curous, what were you searching for where yahoo did a better job than google? What terms did you use, and what site or result satisfied you?

Re:Yahoo search better than google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12872498)

Anal flaming gerbil. Google was returning a bunch of sites about transexuals, and I wanted sites about flaming gerbils inserted into the rectum. Yahoo really came through for me. I especially liked the movie tab.

Google is so dead (5, Funny)

bman08 (239376) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872305)

First an idea factory... Next thing you know, yahoo!'s going to be putting up 'Let your imagination soar' posters in the break room. Revenue should double. But, if they really want do dominate the internet, yahoo is going to have to spring for the 'employees must wash hands' poster in the bathroom. While typhus and ringworm bring google to its knees, the clean handed geniuses at Yahoo! laugh all the way to the bank.

Room for both. (3, Interesting)

alex_guy_CA (748887) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872310)

IMHO the idea behind this article is just plain dumb. It would be like an article saying that in 5 years we won't have ABC and CBS or Disney Land AND 6 Flags. I use Yahoo AND Google every day, and I think I'm not alone.

Re:Room for both. (1, Redundant)

OS24Ever (245667) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872428)

Exactly. While reading the summary I was thinking 'boy, this is like saying Pepsi is out to stomp Coke out of existance because they have 'make your own syrup mix' day'

Re:Room for both. (1)

desikage (686171) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872474)

Me too,
Google:
Email (private, personal), Search, Newgroups

Yahoo:
Email (commercial, signing up for stuff)
My Yahoo (includes: Stocks, Weather, News)
Notes (I use this quite extensively to write out little bits of information I want to remember)
Full fledged address book

So IMO, Google has a long way to go before I cut Yahoo out, if at all.

Hmm, lets see whos ahead (0)

0kComputer (872064) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872311)

Goog Market Cap:79.54 Bil
Yahoo Market Cap:51.04 Bil

Looks pretty clear to me.

Apples and Oranges - Time is the Difference (5, Interesting)

Kinetic Kit (156741) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872315)

Google and Yahoo are much different companies today and part of working at either business means understanding really what each company is trying to do. Google is a technology company; Yahoo is now a media company. The biggest difference, however, is this:

Google makes money by keeping people on their website for as short a time as possible. Yahoo makes money by keeping people on their website for as long as possible. The Internet traffic statistics are quite telling.

http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/top_sites?ts_mode=lan g&lang=en [alexa.com]

Re:Apples and Oranges - Time is the Difference (3, Interesting)

arethuza (737069) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872453)

Last time I checked, Google hardly made any revenue supplying technology. AFAIK the overwhelming bulk of their revenue comes from showing adverts to people who use their service, which sounds like a fairly traditional media company business model to me.

Yawn (1, Troll)

Fear the Clam (230933) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872319)

Yahoo hasn't done jack since the mid-90s. The only reason they exist is because of people too stupid to operate a search engine. Yahoo exists in a part of the Internet where people care an awful lot about selecting their avatars and using the correct smiley.

Mind you, Microsoft and AOL seems to do okay with the dumbshit client base as well, so maybe it's a sound business plan.

Re:Yawn (1)

qlippoth (446729) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872434)

Yahoo hasn't done jack since the mid-90s.
Yahoo bought Overture, if you haven't noticed. Overture is the largest click-through trafficker out there, and makes substantial wads of cash.

And guess who is their main competetor in this business?

Your wrong (1)

tezbobobo (879983) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872511)

Yahoo is about much more than a search engine. I don't use yahoo personally. I provide network services and recently blocked all access to the Yahoo network on a clients network.

That network was a primary school.

For a number of weeks now, whenever I visit that school I get asked about ten times, "Why aren't we able to access Yahoo?" "Why did you block it?"

It seems that for people like you and I who remember when Yahoo was a search engine, that's all it is. However, once people left for google, the fans and evangelist of Yahoo were more concerned with the content side. Yes, it is about choosing the correct smiley, but no, its not about search engines. I think that extra content that Yahoo seems to be providing, without anyone important realising they're doing it, is what google needs to, and is, catching up on.

As an asided, more and more people seem to be taking Yahoo seriously again as a search engine. I notice now they've got all the extras (images, advanced options, etc...) bu many claim they return more relevant results. Might be time for a personal experiment...

What the hey? (2, Insightful)

annunaki2k2 (862300) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872323)

What happened to google being a search engine? Thats all I have and will ever use it for...... As for yahoo, forget it! I like the clean lines of google.

Yahoo Using Google's Search Results (1)

archmagusrm (744773) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872325)

Is Yahoo search still powered by Google? I remember a few years back that the two were interconnected through many of their services. Yahoo search would return listings from the Google web crawler database, is this still the case?

20% personal project? (4, Informative)

NoseBag (243097) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872326)

Google, engineers are expected to spend one day a week on a project of personal interest.

AT&T top management tried this in Dallas in the 90's until a manager took them at their word and enforced the 1/5 rule. The resultant loss in overall productivity quickly caught managements eye and the policy was quietly curtailed.

Re:20% personal project? (3, Insightful)

cybersaga (451046) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872425)

This is why you have to go through about 15 interviews to get hired by Google.

I doubt AT&T was that strict about who they brought on board.

With a bunch of Joe Normals as employees, of course the 20% rule will fail.

Re:20% personal project? (2, Insightful)

qwijibo (101731) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872518)

There are people with different personality types and different feelings about their work. Google is hoping that the kind of people they attract are the kind who will do something interesting that might help the company. AT&T strikes me as the kind of place where that policy would have an almost exactly 20% drop in productivity. A lot of large companies have a lot of people who will do the bare minimum to not get fired.

Google is betting on having a significant number of the other type of person. If they're wrong, they still have a bunch of employees who are given more freedom to pursue their own interests than most employees.

Target audience (4, Interesting)

Iriel (810009) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872331)

...is the lesson I learned getting my degree in Interactive Media Design. I don't see Yahoo and Google in competition as much as simply different services. Some of their departments cross over, but I use Gooogle for finding just about anything and email, while Yahoo is my portal to movie listings, my stock quote and a place to store bookmarks, notes and calendar based events.

It really depends on what you're looking for in most of the areas of service from each company. Google seems more interesting in refining ways to search and pioneering new uses for the internet. On the other hand, Yahoo is where I go for a remote login PDA. I'd like Google to provide notes/calendar features, but if they don't then I'm happy with a 2GB inbox, picture uploading, specialized searches and nifty maps. I'll just use Yahoo as an internet organizer.

Google Man. (5, Funny)

adam31 (817930) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872343)

Google Man, Google Man,
Size of the entire internet man,
Usually kind to smaller man,
Google Man.

Yahoo Man, Yahoo Man,
Hit on the head with a frying pan,
lives his life in a garbage can.
Yahoo man.

Google Man and Yahoo Man,
Meet on the street in internet land,
They have a fight,
Google wins.
Google Man.

Re:Google Man. (1)

archmagusrm (744773) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872392)

Google might be a giant. But remember, the particle gets the title.

Yahoo vs. Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12872346)

Wow !!! Google News how creative a news site. I guess they were the 1st...Sorry but Social Networking is not creative...Google is a very creative place and has great ideas but those examples are weak...

It's Technology, Mate (3, Interesting)

SpinningAround (449335) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872351)

I am waiting for a company for the courage of its convictions. The company that won't sell it's soul for the NASDAQ. Maybe it's Google. Maybe it's not.

I like Google 'cause they are GOOD. Good at what they do. Yahoo is worthless as a portal and a search engine.

Stay with it boys and girls. Don't be a NASDAQ whore. Take the long view. Ignore the market. Do what the geeks do best.

Who cares who's ahead of the game? (5, Insightful)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872358)

Choice is good.

Innovation. (3, Insightful)

merdaccia (695940) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872371)

"I do believe that Google will hit a wall eventually, and it will hit it spectacularly," said the book author Moore. "The real question is: What will it do then?"
I think Moore's missing the point. The reason a company hits a wall is that it stops being innovative, and instead tries to keep milking past success (ahem, SCO, cough). I don't recall Yahoo! making anything innovative recently, but correct me if I'm wrong. Google, on the other hand, is creating useful services left and right. It's already dominated search, and its webmail system is vastly popular and not even out of beta. Google Scholar needs some work, but Google news and Google maps are making good headway. Google isn't going to hit a wall as long as it keeps encouraging its innovative employees.

Google is like the annoying smart kid that sits in the first row of class. Yahoo's in that class too, watching the smart kid get all the glory, and it can do nothing about it. It's time for Yahoo to either change classrooms or start studying.

It's pretty clear... (2, Insightful)

ArbiterOne (715233) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872379)

It's pretty clear, from this post, which side the poster is on. Take this simple comparison: At the site named Google, you are expected to search and find whatever you want. But at "Slashdot", readers are invited to, well, submit stories (read boring).

Really.

Brand Matters (5, Insightful)

augustz (18082) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872385)

What Yahoo still seems to be missing is that brand really matters. And brand is related to trust and doing the right thing by customers.

Take their Yahoo! music engine for example. A nice piece of software. But I, along with many I'd hope, are tired of downloading software to find it installs lots of other largely bugus but "required" junk. This is exactly the adware phenomenon that drives people nuts.

Of course, the Yahoo Music engine REQUIRES yahoo messenger to play music as a dependency (and no doubt will add more "requirements" in the future to increase revenue). Obviously, they saw a chance to push garbage that people wouldn't otherwise download.

In the end, this reflects on your brand. Either you are the company that respects my communication preferences, or you "update" them, and set them all to send me spam, and claim it is in enhancement (Yahoo).

Either you provide me with a cool music engine, or you "enhance" it with unrelated downloads.

Bottom line, many of us don't have the time or interest to sort out if we are going to get screwed over. The $6/month for the music engine is irrelevant actually for me, that is free. But the trust / hassle, and just being able to get what I want without tons of junk, that matters a lot.

If my mother, who is not as quickly able to uninstall stuff, downloads music engine, and then has messenger sitting forever in her taskbar, that sucks. Thankfully, I can tell her to download itunes, and she will have a clean and good experience. Neither she nor the queen of england want to be bothered with Yahoo! Messenger crap.

Pretty soon, folks like my mom, and myself, will trust Apple / Google, and when they release stuff, be happy to try it on the premise we are less likely to be screwed. Yahoo has a history in the other direction.

So I don't begrude Yahoo it's right to bundle a nice music engine with whatever other stuff it wants to load it with. I just don't
understand it. In the end, the company that develops products to deliver junk as its goal will fail to a company that developes a product that delivers what people want. I mean, are you putting
together a music service or not? If so, focus on the damn music part.

Long term I think this brand power will really matter, and Yahoo's history relative to Google put google in a good spot.

new offerings, but stalled. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12872391)

. This has resulted in new offerings like Google News and social networking site Orkut


Yeah, but orkut sucks. It's plagged with problems, not the least of them being the attitude of part of the population. But, for example, it's been over a week since the communities listing doesn't update, and I was over a month unable to post anything once.

I don't know google news, but right now I think the best is google groups, gmail and the search engine.

Why is everyone so happy about personal projects? (2, Insightful)

Paradox (13555) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872403)

I like Google. I'd love to work at Google.

That said, I find that the "personal projects" aspect of Google is one of the more sinister. Remember that Google can take your personal project if they want it. So it's not really a personal project, it's funded independent R&D.

It's part of the way Google tries to stay agile. By insinuating ownership over projects that their corporate culture couldn't create, they can come up with things that another company their size couldn't, and do it cheaper (remember, Google employees are salaried, and likely you're going to work on the project in your spare time as well).

Add to that the rumblings we've been hearing about how Google "strongly encourages" employees to have such a project, and you paint Google's practice in a less favorable light.

I'm not saying the practice is wrong, but let's not forget that it's just another way to diversify their investment in an engineer. I think it's extremely clever and most engineers would find it pleasant, but I know I couldn't work on many of my projects because I wouldn't want Google to co-opt them.

Re:Why is everyone so happy about personal project (1)

joolie (241700) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872485)

...exactly.

It's also a means by which Google can pay an engineer or other 'smart person' less. It's the modern equivalent of the pinball machine and free pop machine.

"Hey, we're cooooooool. You can do your own research (which we'll own! sign that NDA now!)."

It'd be nice to see Google put some effort into depressing the value of link farms, and stop doing directory crawls to populate their search results. The Yahoo algorithim is starting to show some signs of this happening, and if it keeps going, they're likely to offer better quality search results fairly soon. Link farms suck.

Re:Why is everyone so happy about personal project (1)

cybersaga (451046) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872496)

Does any one know if Google employees are rewarded if a project they start is picked up?

There is no comparison (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12872427)

Yahoo is a destination, while Google is a tool. Yahoo offers so much more than search, ads, and maps. Google is yet another overpriced dotcom that will be eating a healthy dose of reality before too long. Yahoo amy not have Gmail, but whoop-de-do. Gmail isn't all that anyway. I've had an account since the week they started, and while I use it, I like my Yahoo account much better becuase its tied in with all of Yahoo's other offerings. Yahoo is here for the long run. Google, in order to survive will have to become more like Yahoo, because while it now enjoys the top spot among engines, so did Altavista at one time, only to be replaced. Google will be replaced by something else within a few years.

Another fair and balanced summary (1)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872436)

from what is becoming googledot more and more every day. How much did they pay for this one taco?

Google vs. Yahoo: On a Collision Course (4, Funny)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872459)

The scene: A collision.

Idiot #1: "Hey! You got your Google in my Yahoo!"

Idiot #2: "Dude! You got your Yahoo in my Google!"
Together: "Yuuuuum..."

Mr. Announcer Man: "Goohoo, two great tastes that go great together!"

Innovation != Profitability (4, Insightful)

JaF893 (745419) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872463)

Google might be a lot more innovative than Yahoo! But it's not like Yahoo! are going out of business. [netimperative.com]

Look at Microsoft - many here on /. say they aren't innovative but they still seem to making a tidy profit.

Yahoo is winning? (3, Interesting)

nonsequitor (893813) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872478)

"Yahoo has a big branded advertising business. Google is all search. To the extent that brand advertisers want to participate in the Internet, Yahoo's a better bet,"
I guess this was written before a bunch of advertisers pulled their ads after finding out they were popping up while entering chat rooms for pedophiles. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/19/063920 5&tid=95&tid=98&tid=1/ [slashdot.org]
So who wins? Though Google is bigger, Yahoo appears to have the upper hand when it comes to warm relations with Madison Avenue.
I just think its funny that the article lists its relationship with ad agencies as one of the strengths Yahoo has over Google. Personally, I think Google's ads are less obtrusive since they dont flash at you and try to get your attention.

Google and Yahoo will go the way of Altavista.... (1)

sweetnjguy29 (880256) | more than 9 years ago | (#12872494)

....in that they will eventually both be eclipsed by a newly emerging company at some point down the road which has a better proprietary search algorithm with a better plan to capitalize on it. I see both Yahoo and Google having reached a technological plateau.
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