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Nokia And Apple Collaborate On Open Source Browser

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the phone-browsing dept.

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Michael writes "Nokia's ambitious bid to make the mobile phone as important a client device for business and leisure as the notebook PC took another important turn last week with news that it has created a browser in collaboration with Apple, which will be managed under the open source process. This starts to address awkward web browsing, a key weakness of the phone's bid to be the 'new notebook', and it raises interesting questions about how much further Nokia and Apple could go in cooperating on the anti- Microsoft ecosystem, and how far Nokia is committing its future to Linux."

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177 comments

How about... (4, Insightful)

KC7GR (473279) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875085)

Just for once, I'd like to see a phone manufacturer make a product that's really good at one thing, and one thing only: Being a PHONE!

Keep the peace(es).

Re:How about... (4, Informative)

ShadeEagle (153172) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875102)

Problem is, things like "market research" gets in the way of things like that.

"People" want a phone that checks their e-mail, checks their websites, checks their blood pressure and checks their oil, all at a touch of a button.

Oh, and full polyphonic and mp3 ringtones.

Re:How about... (3, Insightful)

ZephyrXero (750822) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875187)

The problem is however that we want such a device that does all these things well, and so far...all these devices that try to do everything just do a mediocre job at most of these tasks. I'd love a PDA/Cell Phone/Ogg & Mp3 player/Game System/camera/etc....but I doubt I'll ever see one that does them all very well on the same machine :/

Re:How about... (1)

ealfert (551051) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875305)

I love my Nokia 9500. I believe it comes close to what you describe. It is a little big for a phone, but I view it as a PDA, that gives me internet access anywhere I am, with a built in phone. Not the other way around. It is a bit pricey at $799.99 (retail) but I believe it is worth it in order to have an all-in-one device that lets me keep in contact with my servers (via full web or ssh access) no matter the time of day or location. A US version of the phone became available 3 weeks ago via Nokia USA but a European version has been imported into the US for the past 6 months. You can get the European version for about $150 less than the US verson but keep in mind that you won't have warranty support via Nokia USA and Nokia UK (or other European service centers) won't be able to fix your phone because they do not have export licenses to ship them back to you in the US.

Re:How about... (4, Insightful)

systemic chaos (892935) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875192)

Market research would correctly assess that I would like the possibility of an mp3 ringtone, but they seem to also think that I would A) want to buy the ringtone from them and B) want it to be blasted so heavily distorted from the tiny speaker that although it can be heard in neighboring states, no one can tell what it actually is playing.

Re:How about... (1)

punkass (70637) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875405)

Amen to that. Anybody know of any phones for T-Mobile / Cingular that you can force your own mp3 ringtones on?

Re:How about... (1)

nathanmace (839928) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875485)

I have a Mot V551. I'm using a mp3 ringtone I made in Garageband. It works really well.

Re:How about... (2, Informative)

CyberDave (79582) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875518)

My Motorola V400 and V551 (Cingular) support this.

Using Bluetooth on my V551, I can even upload ringtones and wallpaper directly from Windows XP and Mac OS X, without having to use the USB cable and Motorola Mobile Phone Tools software like I did with my V400. It doesn't get much simpler than that.

Just be sure to use a low bit rate and mono sound for best results (the speaker isn't exactly hi-fi, so 48 Kbps/mono sound works great without taking up a lot of space for me, leaving more room for more ringtones).

Re:How about... (1)

the darn (624240) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875587)

The Nokia 3300 can use just about any mp3 as a ringtone. My current one is the sound of a telephone ringing.
Otherwise, the 3300 is pretty nifty, if unusual. It's shaped like the N-Gage, but doesn't require side-talking, and has a servicable calendar and browsing functions. Great for text massaging of all stripes, too.

Re:How about... (1)

hahiss (696716) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875677)

Just to add a variation on ``me too" (sorry):

The Motorola V551/Bluetooth option works on GNU/Linux systems as well.

Re:How about... (5, Insightful)

Alef (605149) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875254)

What I would like to have is a modularized system, where the phone/PDA/MP3-player etc is replaced by several independent units that connect using for instance bluetooth.

It could be, for example, an uplink-unit, screen, earpiece and memory-unit. When the technology used to communicate changes, I'll just replace my uplink-unit and so on.

But needless to say, this will never happen, since all those gadget manufacturers (Nokia, Apple or whatever) benefit from me having to buy a new phone+screen+camera+memory+earpiece+mp3-decoder every time I like/have to upgrade one of these technologies.

Re:How about... (2, Interesting)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875623)

Ah ha! So I'm not the only one who wants that!

The way I see it, it should be divided into the following modules: storage (hard drive/flash), tranceiver (cellular/wifi), CPU, input, and display. It could use either a Twiddler and head-mounted display, or a touchscreen slate (like a Star Trek PADD, or unusually large-but-thin PDA) interchangably. It would connect with wires instead of Bluetooth (except for the PADD), though, because everything should use the same battery anyway. It would turn out something like MIThril [mit.edu] , except more streamlined.

Is that what you had in mind?

Re:How about... (1)

Alef (605149) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875711)

Yes, possibly (I only took a cursory look at it). But steamlined is a keyword here -- that MIT contraption seems overly messy.

I suppose physical connections would be ok for some of the units, if there were a common interface so that one wouldn't have to rely on one single manufacturer for all of them. Although I think I would prefer to have them attachable directly to each other, instead of having wires going all over the place.

toaster telephones? (1)

matt me (850665) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875125)

Yeah, multi-gadgets are terrible - they do neither function well. That said, whether a gadget uses Windows (incredibly excessive for a phone) or just firmware (sensible scale), we geeks are always going to try to put Linux on it. Think Linux iPod, Linux Nintendo DS, Linux coffee machines...

Re:How about... (1)

surefooted1 (838360) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875129)

The market says different.

Re:How about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875149)

People like you complain just to complain. I was on a recent business trip and the ability to check my email from my phone was able to allow me to enjoy my trip more and spend less time looking for a wifi hotspot. My phone that I have right now is very good at being a phone, it just also can check other things. What other features would you like added to your phone that's not there? Please don't say better service, that has more to do with the towers.

Re:How about... (1)

bonehead (6382) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875647)

Agreed.

On my recent trip I did all of my e-mail through my Treo 650, even though I had a laptop back in my room. I was also able to SSH back to the office and restart a flaky dhcp server right from the convention center, rather than making the half hour walk back to my hotel.

But, like another poster said, I tend to view the Treo as a PDA with nationwide Internet access that also happens to have a phone built in, not as a phone with other stuff tacked on.

Personally, I like having all of that functionality in my pocket without having to carry a half dozen devices wherever I go. Even the camera is decent enough that I rarely bother carrying my real camera anymore.

Re:How about... (1)

ultramk (470198) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875172)

You seem to be in the minority.

If they made money selling a phone-only, they would make it.

Meanwhile, here you go. [sparkfun.com]

m-

Re:How about... (1)

daniil (775990) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875174)

Buy a Nokia 3310. It's cheap, you can take and receive calls with it, it has a phone book. And a vibrating alert. Or is there something else that you'd want a phone to do?

Re:How about... (1)

EpsCylonB (307640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875548)

Agreed, there are simple phones out there if you bother to look.

Personally I want a phone with a decent mp3 player so I don't have to carry two devices around with me.

Re:How about... (1)

eggz128 (447435) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875217)

Fine, go get a Nokia 1100 or similar. I'll stick with my 6670, someone else can go for something in the 9xxx range if that suits them.

Or didn't you realise Nokia makes more than one type of phone?

Re:How about... (1)

CockblockTheVote (849450) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875220)

who the hell wants just a phone? i need ALL of my devices converged into one. i want to be able to be jamming out to my mp3s and immediately pick up a call when my phone rings. then i could be jamming out to my mp3s while gaming with the guy next to me on the subway, only the game drops when my phone rings. then, while i am gaming and jamming out to my mp3s, the game could drop while a popup tells me what the weather is, and what the stock market is doing. then a dozen click-thrus to tell me what is new on slashdot, how to 3n14rg3 my p3n1s, and where i can get viagra from some nigerian bankers. all without ever leaving the comfort of my phone. then my phone rings and it is paris hilton with some new sex pic JUST for me. then my phone drops to tell me there is a new song available on ITMS, which it automatically purchases for me and bills to my credit card. but then i have an emergency call to make, lets say the subway i was on was hijacked by terra-ists and driven into a building. i need to make a call to get the word out to the liberal right wing media. but i have to "listen to this extra special offer" first, before my call would connect.
whew....
is it possible to get a PHONE that makes CLEAR phone calls and has decent battery life?

Re:How about... (1)

dsginter (104154) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875231)

Just for once, I'd like to see a phone manufacturer make a product that's really good at one thing, and one thing only: Being a PHONE!

But that would prevent Apple's entry into the cell phone market. Portable music players will only get smaller. This means that they need to find another ubiquitous device into which they can incorporate them.

Re:How about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875247)

1990 called...and then hung up in disgust. :)

Re:How about... (1)

kick_in_the_eye (539123) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875329)

well, with a nice clock too.

Re:How about... (1)

Brazilian Joe (514100) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875391)

I would enjoy a 852x480 wide/touchscreen Gumstix-based WiFi(g) GSM/GPRS/EDGE 400MHz w/Bluetooth in a gamepad (psp) format. preferably with an analog stick too, a a 3D OpenGraphics chip, and 256 MB of memory. Running (ahem) GNU/Linux f course, w/ KDE on matchbox (of course Gnomers shall have teh right to theirs version too) AM I ASKING TOO MUCH?

Re:How about... (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875398)

There are plenty of good phones for just talking. And in Europe (and elsewhere outside the US) there are plenty of good networks that let those good phones work. The US telcos are so lazy, so well protected from competition on basic call quality, that they haven't made their networks adequate - instead, they sink money into making bad connections seem cute, like the "Can you hear me now?" campaign.

None of that has anything to do with smartphones. Smartphone development doesn't interfere with continuing to make simple phones just for talking. Those simple phones are already available. So your complaints about R&D that is making smartphones as reliable and easy as the already available "talkphones" are misdirected. It's like whining to Mom that your older sister gets to stay up later, when you can already watch all the TV you want.

Re:How about... (1)

Ghostx13 (255828) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875462)

Perhaps I'm not understanding this argument, and I see it all the time on slashdot.

Has everyone in the world gotten a crappy cell phone except me? I've always had samsungs and never had a problem with them - good mic and good speaker. I really don't know what else you want a phone to do to qualify as "being a phone!".

I couldn't agree more! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875492)

I also heard a rumour that some people were utilising Difference Engines to write to the editor of a newspaper!

Absolutely Barking Mad!

Re:How about... (1)

Bronz (429622) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875604)


Yeah! And while your at it, what's up with the television? Either show pictures or play sounds.... Pick on and do it right! Oh, and why does my car come with a stereo for that matter? If I wanted to listen to music I'd sit in my phonograph room and crank my own table like everyone else. Don't get me started on the amount of things your average "computer" can do these days.

WANHA! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875091)

n/t

Oh for the love of (2, Insightful)

FireballX301 (766274) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875093)

THIS [opera.com] should be perfect for mobile web browsing.

Most definitely works for me, at least.

Re:Oh for the love of (1)

ZephyrXero (750822) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875157)

Is Opera open sourced? Is it free? okay then...
Speaking of which, whatever happened to that 2 million dollar investment Nokia made in Minimo [mozilla.org] ?

Re:Oh for the love of (0, Flamebait)

FireballX301 (766274) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875207)

Ah yes, open source is ALWAYS better than anything any closed source, NO MATTER WHAT. Thank you, mister OSS zealot.

I personally find the free version's advertisement s unobtrusive, anyhow.

Re:Oh for the love of (1)

ZephyrXero (750822) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875297)

Depends on what screen size you're at. They were pretty huge a couple years ago when I tried it... Open Source software is not always better as far as quality...I would agree. But, with open source software you are guarenteed there are no hidden "features" you may not actually want. As spyware companies boom and governments and corporations take away more and more of our privacy and rights, open source software is one our few tools for freedom left. I'd much rather donate $50 to a developer rather than the traditional buying of their product. I could go on and on...but I think I've made it clear that there's no "mindless zealotry" going on here.

Re:Oh for the love of (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875616)

with open source software you are guarenteed there are no hidden "features" you may not actually want.

That's the "free as in speech" angle. I think Nokia's probably more influenced by the "free as in beer" angle.

If Nokia wanted to put a tiny Opera on their phones, they'd have to pay Opera Inc. a fee for each unit they produce. On the other hand, if they work with an Apple or a Mozilla Foundation to develop their own open-source microbrowser, they don't have to pay a cent in licensing costs per unit (except maybe 0.1 cents each for the ink to print the OSS license in the user guide, if it's a GPL or GPL-like license).

Re:Oh for the love of (1)

l-ascorbic (200822) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875343)

Competition is good. FWIW, I believe Nokia has also given support to the Mozilla foundation.

Re:Oh for the love of (1)

J. T. MacLeod (111094) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875679)

Ah yes, open source is ALWAYS better than anything any closed source, NO MATTER WHAT. Thank you, mister OSS zealot.

Assuming comparable quality? Of course.

Re:Oh for the love of (2, Informative)

ChristTrekker (91442) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875212)

I was going to say the same thing. Opera's not OSS, but it's worked hard to become the leader in this market. Is this just a case of NIH syndrome? Apple and Nokia will spend more on developing something on their own.

Re:Oh for the love of (1)

Metaphorically (841874) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875374)

FTA: "It is not clear whether the implementation of Safari will become standard across Nokia handsets. It also offers the Opera browser on some models,..." They acknowledge Opera, just this article is about a different browser ;)

Can you tell me how to get... (1)

Evro (18923) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875096)

How to get to Repo St?

http://apple.slashdot.org/search.pl?query=nokia [slashdot.org]

Ah, Repo St. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875249)

Repo St.? Go north on Main, take a left onto State, after two lights make a right onto Oakland Dr. After a couple of blocks, Repo St. should be on your right.

Smart Move (-1, Troll)

ilyanep (823855) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875097)

Apple sees that it's failing in Desktops (as it is before the Intel alliance...not going into that) so it's moving to mobile:

The Apple deal fits well within this strategy to create a rich, open platform that can compete with Windows and the Visual Studio tools in the enterprise and consumer markets, and keep Microsoft at bay on mobile devices. Browsing is an important issue that needs to be addressed more effectively than it has been to date on mobile devices, particularly as handsets incorporate open IP access via Wi-Fi and as operators start, grudgingly, to open their walled gardens.

I'd actually be quite interested to see what sort of things Apple can come up with on Mobile. If they are equally priced to Microsoft's 'solutions' and can perform as well or better that might make Apple for this decade.

Re:Smart Move (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875162)

Failing in Desktops?? Are you nuts?
Sure Apple wasn't doing so hot, but most of the new Apple PCs are damn nice, and plenty of people are buying.

Re:Smart Move (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875523)

Until the last few weeks, there had never been a time in Apple's known history where their computers didn't make their own top-20 list.

That was then. This is now. [slashdot.org]

AC reply to an AC.

Ok, that stupid "When is two minutes not two minutes?" bug has hit again. So let me add this:

http://search.ebay.com/imac_W0QQfsopZ1QQfromZR3QQs acatZ4599 [ebay.com]
http://search.ebay.com/PowerMac-G4_Apple-Macintosh -Computers_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsbrftogZ1QQcatrefZC6QQf romZR10QQsacatZ4599QQcatrefZC6QQsargnZ-1QQsaslcZ2Q QftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsadisZ200QQfposZQ5AIPQ2FPostalQQf sopZ1QQfsooZ1 [ebay.com]

The hand is writing on the wall. People are selling their Macintoshes in an apparent state of absolute panic. They know their PowerPC machines will be obsolete in a matter of months. Can you blame them?

Re:Smart Move (4, Insightful)

daniil (775990) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875274)

Naah. It's not because Apple is failing. It's because desktops themselves are failing. Already, laptops are outselling desktop computers [ap.org] . Other mobile computing devices are becoming increasingly popular as well.

Re:Smart Move (2, Insightful)

dyefade (735994) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875277)

It is a smart move, but it's not like Apple are "moving to mobile". They're just aware that Microsoft have a presence in the mobile market, they don't, and they're trying to keep their bases covered.
As the blurb says, it does raise questions about Nokia's connections to linux.

Re:Smart Move (1)

Trillan (597339) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875566)

It has nothing to do with keeping bases covered.

Basically, Nokia was looking for a new browser. They could have gone with open source or some sort of commercial license.

Nokia had a few options: KHTML, WebKit (which isn't KHTML, but rather a fork of KHTML), or Gecko. There's no deep hidden meaning here other than Nokia's developers found WebKit the best of the choices (whether for technical reasons or because of licensing).

dupe... (3, Informative)

dominator (61418) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875103)

Re:dupe... (1)

Oscar_Wilde (170568) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875389)

What bugs me is the fact that I submitted this story before it was originally posted (only a few hours before though, so it may have been after the original posted submission).

Seeing a rejected story accepted by someone else 5 hours later is annoying. Seeing it duped is worse.

P.S. I know you shouldn't gripe about rejected submissions. Feel free to flame me now.

Re:dupe... (1)

Althazzar (313749) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875437)

I submitted the story in the morning that day, it got placed late in the afternoon. I guess they chose the first poster of the story. This story does go somewhat further into the whole thing tho.

and that's surprising because... (4, Insightful)

nightcrawler.36 (892551) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875105)

Like it or not, Apple is a stylsitic trend-setter. Nokia has the market share for the affluent techno-yuppies, which is where Apple's been. Sounds like a natural relationship.

Re:and that's surprising because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875288)

Yes and as we all know affluent techno-yuppies really care about the browser they are using.

Man, those stylistic trend-setters will start to drool once they learn the browser is based on webcore, which in turn is based on KHTML, but is using the gtk toolkit.

To sum it up, your post doesn't make any sense at all.

Re:and that's surprising because... (1)

l-ascorbic (200822) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875382)

Nokia also has the market share for everyone else: they're the biggest phone company.

This has very little to do with "style". Nokia wanted their own browser. Apple had developed an excellent version of khtml. So Nokia approaches Apple to help them develop a mobile version.

Not quite. Apple's not directly involved. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875507)

As reported earlier, the new Nokia phones are based on gtk-webcore (see http://gtk-webcore.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] ).

The webcore API may have been developed by Apple, but Nokia ported it to Gtk+ to avoid licensing issues with Qt.

Re:and that's surprising because... (1)

nightcrawler.36 (892551) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875713)

GOOD LORD! WHat the heck is KHTML!!?!

Re:and that's surprising because... (1)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875420)

I think it more likely that this has more to do with something called "resident set size" than trend setting.

Re:and that's surprising because... (1)

gongura (182600) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875527)

If they can get nokia phones to sync painlessly with osx, I'm happy

Is the same browser.. (4, Funny)

brainnolo (688900) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875110)

Is it the same browser of few days ago or they are starting a brand new one?

Slashdot. Dupe for Nerds.

Phone with a mouse? (2, Insightful)

sammyo (166904) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875134)

Isn't the real issue the current bloatedness of web pages such as this for example? Most current phones could probably handle an RSS feed pretty well, sans graphics. It just seems silly to try to build a web-phone until bandwidth, latency and window size issues have been resolved.

An RSS enabled phone would be cool though.

Actually just a basic phone number sync would be a pleasant surprise.

Re:Phone with a mouse? (1)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875183)

How many buttons will it have?

Re:Phone with a mouse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875222)

You can get RSS feed to mobile if it supports chat. At least Yamigo has service which imports instant messages from several networks and has RSS feed.

Re:Phone with a mouse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875279)

Hmm as a start most phones support sending business cards...

Re:Phone with a mouse? (1)

l-ascorbic (200822) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875310)

You do realise that phones have had browsers for years? It's not the fact that they're adding a browser that's news. It's the fact that they're using WebCore.

start with support. THEN new development (1)

2.246.1010.78 (721713) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875155)

Nokia was never keen to support their phones (even the models marked "business") for Macs. Despite the Series60 phones which are mostly supported I'd suggest they start with support for plain old nokia phones first before they try to develop new models.

And as a previous poster noted: they should concentrate on excellent phones. Maybe allow them to sync well, but that should be about it.

the competition (1)

Total Immortal (828356) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875171)

apple and nokia, with the first product launch, really need to show promise that rival products have lacked in the area. it will take some time and will be a gradual shift towards people using the phones as a pc, and if its played right many people wont even realise as they adopt the new technology.

it shouldnt be too hard for them to bet the windows option either which shows little promise in its early stages, several of my friends have owned various versions of the orange spv which comes with the windows operating and internet explorer but they are prone to crashes and freeze up for short periods whilst attempting a task as well as taking quite some time to boot.

Nokia killing open source in EU (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875177)

Note that nokia are key backers of european software patent legislation that would close the door on open source software in europe until there's some sort of EPO-office-nuking revolution or something. Nokia deserves condemnation, not praise.

this is weird... (1)

yagu (721525) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875184)

Thought I was "replying" to an article on MS Xbox...

YET ANOTHER DUPE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875202)

Jesus Christ, Zonk, I don't even regularly read this shit of a site and even *I* know that this is a dupe.

Re:YET ANOTHER DUPE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875430)

Your comment is a dupe. :)

Why should new/better be 'anti-microsoft'? (5, Insightful)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875203)

If Apple and Nokia are going to put together something that fills a niche, and does it well/better than anything else out there, why must that be considered part of some "anti-Microsoft ecosystem?" How about it's just "better," and people will use it or not?

This morning, I found a new, better way to butter my toast. It's so revolutionary that it may be part of the anti-margerine ecosystem.

Re:Why should new/better be 'anti-microsoft'? (1)

trybywrench (584843) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875265)

If Apple and Nokia are going to put together something that fills a niche, and does it well/better than anything else out there, why must that be considered part of some "anti-Microsoft ecosystem?" How about it's just "better," and people will use it or not?

I wish i had mod points cause i'd mod you up. How is OSS anti-microsoft? It's just a different way of building software that microsoft currenly isn't involved much in. Also, how exactly does an OSS browser tie Nokia to Linux?

Re:Why should new/better be 'anti-microsoft'? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875312)

This morning, I found a new, better way to butter my toast. It's so revolutionary that it may be part of the anti-margerine ecosystem.

How?

Re:Why should new/better be 'anti-microsoft'? (2, Insightful)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875337)

[This morning, I found a new, better way to butter my toast. It's so revolutionary that it may be part of the anti-margerine ecosystem.]

How?


Exactly my point! The original article talks about Apple/Nokia participating in an "anti-microsoft ecosystem" as they work on this new phone project. That makes no more sense than my toast stupid-on-purpose-analogy.

Seriously, Nokia is getting there (1)

alexhmit01 (104757) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875473)

When it came time to upgrade my phone, the Nokia's looked tempting, they just weren't "smart enough." I also wanted a QWERTY keyboard, and none of theirs supporting them seemed to work with iSync. So I have a Treo650... I love the features, but would be happy to migrate to a more phone-oriented phone in two years, and Nokia seems to be getting there.

Support for Blazer (Palm's Web Browser) is pretty spotty, but I would expect Nokia to do a better job there.

Nokia works with MS too... (2, Insightful)

bheer (633842) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875258)

http://press.nokia.com/PR/200502/980519_5.html [nokia.com]

These are corporations, not blood enemies. Tech holy wars like Apple/MS, Sun/MS and Intel/Apple are so last-century.

Re:Nokia works with MS too... (3, Funny)

njfuzzy (734116) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875448)

Yeah. Everyone knows all the cool Holy Wars are between Free/commercial software and secular/muslim nations. Get with the 2000s.

Is Linux an end in itself? (2, Insightful)

geoffrobinson (109879) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875278)

How committed they are to Linux? They will use Linux if it benefits them. They won't otherwise.

If they start using OSX instead of Linux, would it really matter? Should users care about what OS they are using?

Re:Is Linux an end in itself? (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875536)

Shouldn't everyone think that way?

Even a hobbyist developer hacking on the kernel is doing it for a benefit, even if that benefit is just the enjoyment of a good challenge, or for the sense of accomplishment of making something useful.

A lot of people run servers on linux because it gets the job done, it's free, and they need a server. They're benefitting too.

If Linux has become the end all to you, then you've turned into a zealot, and as such, your thoughts on Linux or any other operating system are mostly useless.

Sorry, but your comment isn't insightful, as current moderation states. It's just sort of inane in its obviousness.

Re:Is Linux an end in itself? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875662)

I don't know how committed they are. But no one is going to be running OS X on a phone are they ? Heck a Mac Mini can barely run it, it is such a resources hog.

Register: WTF (4, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875293)

TFA Headline:
Nokia shifting to Linux as it joins with Apple to challenge Windows 2
I recall 'Doze 3.0, back in the days of the square wheel, and I'm pretty sure that there wasn't much web browsing going on then.
If MS has tricked Nokia and Apple into somehow competing against Windows 2, I'm calling that the IT Judo Throw of the Year.

Re:Register: WTF (1)

benjamindees (441808) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875411)

They typed the article from their phone. We're just lucky it didn't look like this:

Nokia mv-ing 2 Lnx + joins Apl 2 challng Wndws 2

Nokia's Slogan (3, Funny)

Boss, Pointy Haired (537010) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875307)

For a long time, Nokia's slogan to accompany their mobile office features of advanced phones was:

"Now you can get to work before you get to work."

Bollocks to that.

You can't browse the web on a 2" screen! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875323)

Why don't they make something useful for mobile phones like an open source gopher client?

Please, please,please... (2, Interesting)

spectrokid (660550) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875363)

Please make an iPhone, please! I promess I will be a good boy, swear to god! Serious, do you have any idea what a phone would be with an ipod wheel on it? Scrolling through those contacts?

Re:Please, please,please... (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875422)

Nokia 7280 [mobile-review.com] with a wheel and no number buttons.

Spark Fun Portable Rotary Phone [sparkfun.com] with a rotary dial.

Enjoy!

Download nokia's "safari" for linux here (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875376)

you can download Nokia's "safari" for linux here [sourceforge.net] . It is the GTK port of webcore. Of course a browser is more than a rendering engine, but that is a really big part of it. The reference broser is very simple. Too bad more work is not put into it (probably could build it for windows too)

Ah, the sweet comfort of familiarity... (3, Insightful)

njfuzzy (734116) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875425)

When I saw this horribly outdated dupe article, I knew it had to be from either "Zonk" or "samzenpus". It feels so nice to be right.

The 770 (and SVG) (1)

Metaphorically (841874) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875436)

In the article they repeatedly mention the non-phone WiFi tablet Nokia has come out with but don't call it by name. I assume (from what I read on svg.org [svg.org] ) that the 770 [nokia.com] is what they're referring to?

Of course I have to use this chance to observe that this device supports SVG Tiny, as does Opera which they've embedded in other phones. Safari has no native SVG yet, but KDE/Konqueror has their implementation in KSVG. So it looks like Nokia is staying on that path.

Apple buys PalmSource getting BeOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875450)

And Apple buys PalmSource getting both PalmOS and BeOS...

Bad news for Opera? (4, Insightful)

rduke15 (721841) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875465)

This sounds like very bad news for Opera [opera.com] . As I understand it, Opera's business was mainly to sell a browser to manufacturers of Internet enabled devices, of which the most important one seems phones, of which the most important manufacturer is probably Nokia.

Sure, they also sell the browser to regular users (and I have happily paid for it 2 or 3 times), and they also have an advertisement-supported version, but I guess the main revenue was expected to come from companies like Nokia.

Even though I now mostly use Firefox, I would be very sad if Opera eventually disappeared.

Re:Bad news for Opera? (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875675)

It would take years to have Opera functionality in a webbrowser on a smallscreen.

On "mini laptops" named as phones, you have a huge screen. If you can manage to compile it, you can even have mozilla running.

Opera technology is unique and being called "dead" everytime when such news happens, they are actually working on a TV browser, which is fit to set top boxes (OpenTV etc) right now.

Nothing bad will happen to Opera. They have a huge paying customer base like you which ignored "free" solutions. (let me don't get into there is nothing free stuff)

BTW, much larger, important news, months ago is: Nokia is now a full member of Helix project, from Real networks. Prepare to see some amazing breakthroughs on video/audio/3g on any Symbian installed phone. https://www.helixcommunity.org/ [helixcommunity.org]

I just need a phone with memory card to test those new evil realplayers for symbian, 7650 got 2mb, its compressed and full :) I am not binning a working device of course.

If you got a phone which can run Opera, test those helix players too.

have a look at this (1)

mattyrobinson69 (751521) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875497)

this is a brilliant little phone, although it does have a couple of extra features like a (suprisingly useful and bright) flashlight, it does have a great battery life and good signal and sound quality:

http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,76207,00.html [nokia.com]

Partnerships and initiatives create distinction (1)

amichalo (132545) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875541)

It is interesting to me how there are so many Cellular Phone Providers. I mean, what are the real differences in Verizon, Att/Cingular, T-mobile, etc? OKay so Nextel has "push to talk" and Sprint is on CDMA not the GSM network but beyond those technological differences, The others just seem to be different rate plans to me. They even have 80% the same phones.

So I am glad Nokia and Apple are partnering because to me, there isn't a lot different between Nokia, Ericsson, Sony-Ericsson, Motorola, Sanyo, LG, and the like either.

I just don't think any of them distinguish themselves the way other consumer electronics companies do. Dell is the low cost, quality box builder for corporations. Gateway was the friendly cow folk. Apple is stylish.

Cell phone makers NEED these partnerships for differentiation. I would have to look to see who the heck made my Sprint cell phone. Perhaps if someone made a phone I cared about, I would care who made it.

Come on, it's an old news..... (1)

Slackdog (893543) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875572)

i already read the same piece of "news" several days ago...

Nokia is probably not planning to use KDE (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875597)

> Longer term, the browser development shows an increasing tendency for Nokia to include Linux technologies in its thinking...

True.

> ...the open source version of Safari is part of the KDE user interface environment for Linux, which could conceivably be melded with elements of Series 60 to create a mobilized version.

Not true, unfortunately.

Apple took KHTML, and restructured the code into layers, in order to remove the Qt-interface code, and replace it an OS/X Aqua interface layer.

Nokia then took Apple's version of KHTML, now called Webcore, and added a GTK interface layer [gnomedesktop.org] .

So, while Nokia apparently has no problem with KDE itself, in that they are using KHTML-based code, it looks like Nokia will probably not be using the rest of KDE, due to KDE's dependence on Qt.

As most readers already know, Qt uses a GPL+proprietary licensing strategy, which forces commercial Qt developers to use the proprietary license, thus locking themselves in to a single vendor for Qt, namely, Trolltech. It has been speculated that this is the reason why some other companies, such as Sun, have chosen to go with Gnome instead of KDE.

This is an unfortunate situation, because KDE has a lot of potential, which is being held back by the license of its underlying Qt platform.

I would love to see the KDE developers restructure the rest of the KDE code in a manner similar to what Apple did to KHTML, such that KDE could be easily ported to multiple platforms (GTK, XUL, Windows, etc.), rather than just Qt.

That is unlikely to happen, however, since so many of the KDE developers are funded by Trolltech.

But, I guess there's no reason to worry, because the right things are probably going to happen anyway...

KDE will continue to succeed, supported by KDE-centered distributions, such as Mandriva.

And Trolltech's plan to make Qt the de facto standard for commercial Linux development, is probably going to meet with limited success. They'll make some money, but they won't achieve lock-in, as they and their financial backers are hoping.

"Just a phone, please" response (3, Insightful)

tedhiltonhead (654502) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875630)

People in these threads always complain about wanting "just a phone that works, please". I challenge anyone to prove that phones' modern bells and whistles detract in any way from their
ability to provide phone service.

Your phone's inclusion of Tetris, a camera, and polyphonic ringtones is NOT a trade-off against reception, battery life, or purchase price. I promise your $30 basic phone would not be any cheaper if it were "just a phone". Your reception and battery life, likewise, would not increase if it were "just a phone".

In short, if you don't want the features, IGNORE THEM. It's really easy.

Are you also going to complain about your Ford Escort's included radio?

There's always the one-button "911 only" phones, which operate without a service plan at all, if you really don't want *any* features. :)

Re:"Just a phone, please" response (1)

hahiss (696716) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875723)

And you just KNOW that people posting ``I just want a phone" also post ``Apple's single-button mouse is teh 5ux0r5!"

(I keed, I keed. I just want a phone too. But I gotta admit: I kinda like my games and camera.)

Addressing Awkward Web Browsing? (1)

DanielMarkham (765899) | more than 9 years ago | (#12875643)

"...This starts to address awkward web browsing..."

I RTFA, and I did not find anything specifically that told me what kind of neato features are going to address web browsing. Apple -- great company, great interfaces. OSS -- great idea, great systems. But what _in real terms_ are they going to do? Make the screen bigger or the text smaller, right?

Perhaps this whole idea of cramming so much into the phone is off-track. Maybe we should be buying separate "monitors" for all of our personal electronic gear. Preferably something that looks like sunglasses, or that invention that shoots low-power lasers in the eye to image things in 3-D. Then all our gadgets just use Bluetooth to plug into that. Sure would make some of these things cheaper, and would give us a lot more hardware options. After all, we have separate monitors for computers, why not personal display systems?

hi Zonk. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12875665)

welcome to last week...oops, i meant slashdot.:p
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