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Legal Music Downloads At 35%, Soon To Pass Piracy

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the cars-surpass-buggies dept.

Music 467

bonch writes "Entertainment Media Research released a study stating that 35% of music listeners are using legal download services, and that the percentage will soon surpass illegal downloads, currently at 40%. Slashdot has also previously reported on services like iTunes gaining in popularity over P2P services. "The findings indicate that the music industry is approaching a strategic milestone with the population of legal downloaders close to exceeding that of pirates," said Entertainment Media Research chief executive Russell Hart.'"

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Really? (-1, Troll)

thundercatslair (809424) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877898)

I like scat sex

Re:Really? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12877954)

Liar! You only love your dreams.

Bah.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12877901)


Legal downloads? What's the internet coming to?!

Re:Bah.. (0, Offtopic)

aklix (801048) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877930)

Yarr, thair just cleaning the poop deck.

Sure... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12877902)

But will the RIAA/MPAA stop bitching?

so? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12877904)

so what's the other 25%?

Re:so? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12877932)

idiots like you

Re:so? (3, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877988)

so what's the other 25%?
... people with Britney Spears on their hard drives - they won't admit to it, legal or otherwise.

Music LISTENERS not DOWNLOADERS (4, Insightful)

InfiniteWisdom (530090) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878010)

So of the people who listen to music, 25% don't download legally or illegally and purchase CDs or tapes or whatever.

Now I'd imagine all categories overlap... I'm sure a LOT of people buy some CDs, download others legally and also download illegal copies every now and then. So I don't know how those are accounted for.

frist psot!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12877905)

frist post!!

something's not adding up (2, Interesting)

kpp_kpp (695411) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877907)

i did not rta but what is the other option besides "illegal" and "legal" downloads? (35% + 40% != 100%)

Re:something's not adding up (4, Funny)

MasamuneXGP (824006) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877921)

Apperently they have these things called "stores" that you can reach on sneakernet. Psh, it'll never catch on.

Re:something's not adding up (2, Funny)

weighn (578357) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877940)

TFA doesn't make this clear. Can a download be neither legal or illegal? Perhaps, in the way they collected the data, they couldn't tell if these were breaking any copyright law. Probably, under the DCMA, these 25% are just terrorists anyway.

Re:something's not adding up (3, Insightful)

DanteLysin (829006) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877950)

illegal downloads
legal downloads
not downloading?

Some people do buy CD's at a store. ;)

Re:something's not adding up (2, Funny)

aklix (801048) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878000)

It's actually 42%, they just won't admit it. Never be known the reasons will.

42% (1)

tacensi (706781) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878049)

is actually the percentage of /.ers who will post "It doesn't add up"!

Re:something's not adding up (1)

manifestcommunisto (641699) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878039)

Everything adds up. Just read the blurp carefully.

35% MUSIC LISTENERS buy music downloads.
40% MUSIC LISTENERS download music illegally.
100 - 35 - 40 = 25% Therefore
25% MUSIC LISTENERS do not download music but listen to music in some other way, CD's or LIVE.

Re:something's not adding up (1)

Rostin (691447) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878074)

Actually the number of people who haven't downloaded music at all could be as high as 60%. It's possible that all of the 35% group are also members of the 40% group. I don't think the article makes it clear.

Bogus statistics: what little we can conclude (5, Insightful)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878068)

This is a classic example of bogus statistics. The two figures have absolutely nothing to do with each other. The 30% of people using legal downloads might be mutually exclusive or totally overlapping with the 40% that use illegal downloads. The numbers need not total to 100% (and could total to more than 100%). At best we can conclude:
  1. No greater than 70% of music listeners download music (legal or illegal) -- i.e., as much as 30% of music listeners simply don't download music.
  2. No fewer than 40% of music listeners download music (legal or illegal).
  3. At most, 30% use both legal and illegal downloads.
  4. It's possible (based on this limited data) that no one does both illegal and legal downloading.
In next month's survey, both numbers could go up or down since the survey does not ask "do you ONLY download music from legal/ illegal sources." Moreover, the survey provides no estimates of volumes -- illegal downloaders could be downloading 10X or 10X less than their legal-downloading counterparts. Or people that download legal music could be the biggest "pirates" and this survey would be none the wiser.

Math anyone? (-1, Redundant)

krakelohm (830589) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877911)

Okey, so there are 35% using legal downloads and 40% not... something does not add up.

Re:Math anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12877935)

Okey, so there are 35% using legal downloads and 40% not... something does not add up.
35% use legal download offers, 40% use illegal download offers and 25% don'T download at all.

Re:Math anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12877949)

It's "OK" Slashdot editors aren't mathematicians. It's the effort that counts, at least they gave it 110%.

Re:Math anyone? (2, Interesting)

N3Roaster (888781) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877981)

The math doesn't have to add up to 1. Values less than 1 and greater than 1 are perfectly acceptable in this sort of thing. Think about it. You have people who listen to music. Some of these people will get music through legal downloads, some will pirate music, some will go with legal downloads and pirate music (meaning the same person counts in both categories) and some will neither legally download nor pirate music (meaning they don't count in either of these categories). So what this means is that there might be somewhere around 25% of music listeners (depending on how many listeners fall into both listed categories) who only buy music on CDs or listen to the radio.

The numbers add up, they just shouldn't be added.

I'm not surprised (2, Insightful)

Spytap (143526) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877912)

It's just damn easier than dealing with all the shit from stealing.
A buck a song? Genius.

How do you do that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12877923)

'It's just damn easier than dealing with all the shit from stealing.'

How can you possibly steal using "illegal" download services?

Every time we hit a milestone like this... (3, Funny)

Narcocide (102829) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877971)

... the entire RIAA should be dragged out into the streets and paraded through town so we can jeer and throw rotten vegetables at them.

In fact, they should make a national holiday out of it. There can be a big parade... and thousands of vendors selling rotten vegetables. Yea. That's exactly how I dreamt it.

Re:I'm not surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12878091)

Trying using eMule.

It doesn't add up (-1, Redundant)

77Punker (673758) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877914)

40% of music downloads are legal and 35% are legal. That must mean that 75% of music downloads are in fact music downloads. What did they do? Ignore certain genres?

Read closely (4, Informative)

Sagarian (519668) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877929)

no, it means that 75% of music listeners download music.

Re:It doesn't add up (1)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877941)



I'm thinking they meant legal as in paid for...

The other 25% of downloads could have been "free" legal ones, like promotional stuff maybe?

Re:It doesn't add up (1)

sweetooth (21075) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877985)

The article references the numbers as 35% of music "consumers" partake in legal downloads compared to the 40% of music "consumers" that admitted to illegally downloading music. So 25% of music consumers don't download music. The percentages refer to the people that consume music as a whole, not to music downloads as a whole.

Re:It doesn't add up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12878007)

ya... I realized after posting. This is why I hate statistics ( currently taking the class :).

Re:It doesn't add up (1)

Kierthos (225954) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877956)

I think what the point is that 35% of music listeners use legal downloading services, 40% use illegal downloading services, and 25% use no downloading services at all.

Of course, I have to wonder how accurate these statistics are, considering that some people are going to lie when asked if they use illegal downloading services. Also, some people, no doubt, illegally download and also use legal downloading services.

Kierthos

Re:It doesn't add up (3, Informative)

Repton (60818) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877987)

The article says "35% of music consumers". Presumably, this means "all people who buy CDs" (or would buy CDs, if they weren't busy stealing the bread out of hungry record executive children's mouths).

This allows for overlap between the two groups; in fact, I'm guessing that the vast majority of online-music-buyers have also experimented with downloading.

If there is complete overlap, it would mean that 60% of music consumers have never downloaded music from the 'net. It would also mean that only 12.5% of illegal downloaders have not bought from iTunes or similar...

It would be interesting to see the actual numbers, and what questions they asked :-/

Re:It doesn't add up (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878093)

(or would buy CDs, if they weren't busy stealing the bread out of hungry record executive children's mouths).
I think you mis-spelled "coke" and "noses."

Statistics (-1, Redundant)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877915)

35% of all users are legal. Raises the questions:

What percentage of music is legal?
What percentage of Slashdotters care?
How many posts until RIAA is told to 'suck it'?

(the answer to the last one ain't 42, believe it or not)

Re:Statistics (1)

DeusExMalex (776652) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877947)

only 6: suck it, RIAA

Re:Statistics (1)

teksno (838560) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878042)

does the 35% of legal downloads include those using services like allofmp3, or mp3search.ru? i doubt it...but it might add another percent or two as both services are technicaly legal...

Still a little bit expensive (2, Insightful)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877916)

For something as ethereal as bits on a platter, it hardly seems worth it to pay USD1.00 for a song. If I buy a CD for USD15.00, I get about 15 songs, so the price of the music is the same, and in addition I also get a nice case and a physical disk and liner notes.

I would probably start subscribing to these "legal" music download sites if they were to stop gouging the buyers. Until then, I'll support my favorite bands by giving away samples of their music to my friends and buying t-shirts at their concerts.

Re:Still a little bit expensive (2, Insightful)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877944)

For something as ethereal as bits on a platter, it hardly seems worth it to pay USD1.00

I will sell you 100 gigabits for only 0.25 cents!

Ofcourse, it will be random 1's and 0's with an occasional Goatse thrown in.

You are not buying bits. You are buying someone's creativity. If you don't think it is worth it DON'T BUY! No one sticks a gun to your head and says "buy it".

Re:Still a little bit expensive (0)

aklix (801048) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878043)

But that's exactly what the RIAA is doing, only their doing it the suit&tie way.

Re:Still a little bit expensive (1)

reezle (239894) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877951)

http://www.allofmp3.com/ [allofmp3.com]

Need more be said?

Re:Still a little bit expensive (1)

darksider415 (893698) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877974)

I do agree, but, the prices are still somewhat less expensive than they are for a CD. Well, in my neck of the woods, that is. There is also some music that isn't easily obtained through the legal services, and, as a result, the illegal networks like Gnutella will still have a slight edge.

Re:Still a little bit expensive (1)

ratnerstar (609443) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877975)

Well, most full albums on iTunes are US $9.99. You don't often see physical CDs that cheap.

Re:Still a little bit expensive (3, Insightful)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878062)

Well, most full albums on iTunes are US $9.99. You don't often see physical CDs that cheap.

Check out your local independent shop that buys/sells used CDs.

Re:Still a little bit expensive (1)

stoicio (710327) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877976)

"I get about 15 songs, so the price of the music is the same, and in addition I also get a nice case and a physical disk and liner notes." Yeah, I agree. I just buy CDs. Downloading music is, and always will be, a pain in the tush. At least my music collection won't get wiped because I've dropped some silly little (expensive) ipod.

Re:Still a little bit expensive (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878033)

I tend to think of buying the average CD as paying a few bucks for a handful of good songs, and then a bunch of filler thrown in for free. Sometimes there are albums that are good all the way through, and those are an excellent deal.

iTMS is nice because I don't have to pay for that filler, I can just get the songs I want. And compared to the way I view most CDs, a buck for a good song is a bargin.

I do wish more went to the artist though. Or to Apple. Anyone but the label. Digital distribution cuts out a lot of the costs that the label has traditionally handled for the artist, their cut of the profit should drop in response to this.

Re:Still a little bit expensive (0, Flamebait)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878085)

I tend to think of buying the average CD as paying a few bucks for a handful of good songs, and then a bunch of filler thrown in for free.

This keeps coming up again and again, and I really have to wonder what "artists" you people are listening to. Stop buying pop crap, and you'll stop getting crap.

Re:Still a little bit expensive (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878114)

I don't buy that much music, most of what I listen to is older stuff that I already have, but occasionally I hear some stuff on the radio that I like. I apologize if it's too mainstream or pop-ish for you, I guess I'm just not cultured enough. I hope you can forgive me for my failures as a human being.

Re:Still a little bit expensive (1)

StormUP (892787) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878040)

When you buy a CD, you still just have bits on a platter...although the platter is reflective rather than magnetic.

Re:Still a little bit expensive (0, Troll)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878044)

"For something as ethereal as bits on a platter, it hardly seems worth it to pay USD1.00 for a song. If I buy a CD for USD15.00, I get about 15 songs, so the price of the music is the same, and in addition I also get a nice case and a physical disk and liner notes."

That's all fine and dandy, except that you're likely paying for songs you don't want. All for the benefit of having a little platter with bits on it and a few scribbles on a piece of paper.

For a song I want, $1 per download is quite reasonable.

Maybe I'm missing something here... (0, Redundant)

sfontain (842406) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877919)

...but if 35% are downloading legally, and 40% are downloading illegally, then what are the other 25% doing? goatse?

Re:Maybe I'm missing something here... (2, Insightful)

niteskunk (886685) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877924)

Not downloading at all.

Percentages? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12877920)

So how do these percentages work? If 35% are downloading legally, and 40% are pirating, then what happened to the other 25%?

Re:Percentages? (3, Informative)

seinman (463076) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877939)

Learn to read. It says 35% of MUSIC LISTENERS are paying for downloads, and 40% are downloading illegally. The other 25% is either buying albums at a store or listening to the radio. In other words... NOT DOWNLOADING!

Wishful Thinking (2, Insightful)

Ratso Baggins (516757) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877925)

Unless people are downloading gigs from ITMS etc. - daily - then I can't see how this is anything more than wishful thinking (or reverse FUD?)

Gigs? Try 1.290 PB (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12878101)

If we use the numbers of downloads SJ quoted at the keynote 430 million downloads, and assume about ~3 MB/download...

That's 1290 million megabytes.
1290 thousand gigabytes.
1290 terabytes.
1.290 petabytes.

Music Exec (5, Insightful)

puppet10 (84610) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877927)

Time to jack up the license fees on legal downloads!!! We'll make a killing at $4 a song!!

At last ! (1)

ishrat (235467) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877933)

At last we are waking up to the commercials of downloading paid music.
I believe this trend will increase in every sphere as most people get over the thrill of free or stolen music.
The initial days have passed and more and more people are settling down to the regular method of paying.
Yet there will remain first timers who will always want to go for the irregular path for a quick thrill.
In a way life is getting more monotonous.

Just playing catch-up (3, Insightful)

tyagiUK (625047) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877937)

Given the level of integration between something like iTunes and my iPod, it is much easier (for me) to browse, pay, and download, music, rather than search for and obtain an uncontrolled copy.

Provided you've got the cash means to do it, there's not really any excuse for not using "officially sanctioned", paid-for, download sources.

All we've seen is the industry playing catch-up with a technology which took off much faster than they were able to keep up with.

Re: Just playing catch-up (4, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878003)


> Given the level of integration between something like iTunes and my iPod, it is much easier (for me) to browse, pay, and download, music, rather than search for and obtain an uncontrolled copy.

I think slashdotters have been saying for years that the problem was the music industry's (non existant) business model, and if they would make it cheap enough to download a song, people would pay for it.

Also, presumably the % piracy is a function of the price, and the goal of the music industry will be to maximize (number_of_downloads * price_each).

Of course, they could virtually eliminate piracy by pushing the price toward zero, but that's probably not what maximizes profit.

Re:Just playing catch-up (4, Insightful)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878047)

Given the level of integration between something like iTunes and my iPod, it is much easier (for me) to browse, pay, and download, music, rather than search for and obtain an uncontrolled copy.

That's because you own an iPod. For someone like me, who only owns MP3 players and doesn't want to take part in Apple's vendor lock-in scheme, iTMS is quite a bit more hassle.

I think the tide turned... (5, Funny)

Japong (793982) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877938)

... when Britney Spears appeared in those television ads telling me how wrong piracy was, and how it was stealing from artists like her.

I mean: "We hit a little bit of reality, hardcore, after the first three weeks. But we handled it fine, and now things are starting to go really smooth. Before we got married we were on tour, and we were just like kids, ordering room service, saying, 'Let's go out tonight. Then, all of a sudden, you have this home, you have the kids [Federline's children Kaleb and Kori], you have to get the diapers, get the dog to the vet. It's this reality. Like omigod, I have to tell the maid to buy diapers and get the pool boy to walk the dog? Can't I just make out with Kevin all the time? Being married sucks."

Poor girl... thank god the RIAA kept after the pirates who tried to rob her of her livelihood.

Seriously though, good to hear that online music is working, but it still sucks that 60% of that goes to RIAA liscensing levies.

What about allofmp3.com? (2, Interesting)

pherthyl (445706) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877943)

Does allofmp3.com and similar services count as legal in this survey?

It's apparently legal for allofmp3 to offer the music (in Russia), and it's legal for me in Canada to download it, but I somehow think that this type of service is not what they had in mind when they said "legal".

Hymn Gone (2, Interesting)

WatertonMan (550706) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877945)

Speaking of legal downloads, I notice that Hymn is now gone. The website doesn't respond at all. For those of you who know,

Hymn was a program that removed the DRM from Apple's iTMS downloads. It was actually nice if you make a lot of mix CDs as you can quickly get past the limit on the DRM for the AAC files. They broke the original version of Hymn with 4.7 but I thought that a new version came out, hosted off in India. But now that doesn't work either.

It's weird, as it seems to me that anyone pirating would simply get an MP3 from some P2P network. So I didn't see Hymn as that big a threat.

Re:Hymn Gone (4, Informative)

SB5 (165464) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878009)

I am getting a response, and can see the site... Its at: http://www.hymn-project.org/ [hymn-project.org]

right?

Re:Hymn Gone (1)

Frank T. Lofaro Jr. (142215) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878054)

Well if the RIAA couldn't take it down, perhaps the Slashdot effect will. :)

quit that (1)

ashpool7 (18172) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878104)

just because your section of the internet is not working right doesn't mean everybody else's is broken too. :-p

Over here on the east coast, with primary peering coming out of charlotte, the site is just fine and speedy.

Oh my god! (3, Funny)

da3dAlus (20553) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877946)

You mean actually EMBRACING new technology that everyone is using, is actually BENEFICIAL? Wow, that is such a novel idea!
</sarcasm>

Wait a minute (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12877948)

If 35% of the replies are about Goatse, and 40% are about whether the total legal and illegal downloads is 75% or 100%, what will everyone else talk about?

Two important distinctions (2, Interesting)

fsterman (519061) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877955)

"who have pirated music," Not, "that pirate music on a regular basis." I wonder if the same goes for the legal downloads, have or regularly do. I have downloaded legally and found DRM a pain in the ass, and continue to get my shite from P2P and allofmp3.com.

Also is that replacing illegal downloaders or is it gaining new users.

I am not trying to argue anything here, but gauge the state of the industry.

Sorry about the spelling, I have a Birthday celebration to attend.

Re:Two important distinctions (3, Insightful)

gorfie (700458) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878109)

I have downloaded legally and found DRM a pain in the ass, and continue to get my shite from P2P and allofmp3.com.

I've been thinking about going to a legal downloading service but I hang back because I fear that the restrictions and proprietary formats will prevent me from...

1.) Burning unlimited audio CDs for the car
2.) Burning unlimited mp3 CDs for work
3.) Buying any third party hardware player for the files I get from the service

That's basically it... I want to be able to listen to a song I buy from home, in the car, and at work without requiring a specific player or proprietary software (I use a zero footprint mp3 player on my work pc).

Is that possible with any of the legal services? I'd pay $1 per song...

What if we treat it like licensing... if I buy a tune in the proprietary format and then download that same tune in mp3 format, is that really wrong/illegal? Would they really sue me if I could document that I owned each song I downloaded? I rationalized downloading Pearl Jam's Ten a few months back because my CD (bought in 92 I think) is so scratched up that I can't get a digital rip anymore.

Thoughts?

slashdot "reporting" . . . NOT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12877961)

Ok, I have had enough.

Slashdot is not "reporting" on something, they are merely posting a summary of a story reported elsewhere.

I don't see Taco reporting live from the scene, back to you in the studio. Nor Cowboyneal write a huge summary with in-depth analysis about something

What is going on here is not reporting in the journalistic sense. It would be nice to have some humility and say "posted" or "linked" instead of reporting.

Please stop using the word reporting, it makes it sound overpretentious and just plain wrong.

Fuzzy math... (3, Funny)

Hamster Lover (558288) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877963)

Maybe this should have been a Slashdot poll. 35% download legally, 40% download illegally and 25%:

- Rip from CD
- Breasts!
- Mentally reconstruct the music by "reading"
the grooves on an LP
- Record off the radio
- Rely on the voices in their head for all their entertainment
- Cowboy Neal

Re:Fuzzy math... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12878050)

Cowboy Neal sings Christmas classics would sell amazingly well. Can't you just picture him singing Rock around the Linux Box or Jingle ICQ?

Re:Fuzzy math... (1)

value_added (719364) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878124)

Maybe this should have been a Slashdot poll. 35% download legally, 40% download illegally and 25% ...

The other 25% were involved in ongoing litigation, or were subject to the confidentiality provisions of a settlement agreement, and chose not to responded to the poll.

Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12877965)

These stats are brought to you by the same people that make up benchmarking numbers and voodoo economics.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics all.

The other 25%... (2, Interesting)

Aioth (870942) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877967)

are just ripping their own CDs, simple.

what are you gonna do... (1)

ShineyMcShine (799387) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877968)

land on a fraction?

On 40% Illegal Downloads (5, Interesting)

DanteLysin (829006) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877978)

I am curious how this is measured. If an illegal downloader is being "measured" in this statistic, does that mean he/she is being "caught"? What about the silent masses illegally downloading music that is not measured?

Re:On 40% Illegal Downloads (1)

Ken Broadfoot (3675) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878004)

Damn good point actually.

If I am downloading a song that I already own. ( And I have done this ) isn't it fair use? Sorta?

Am I being counted as not legal?

--ken

Re:On 40% Illegal Downloads (1)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878072)

"What about the silent masses illegally downloading music that is not measured?"

What about the masses downloading music they already have licenses for so they can skip the burning step? Not every 'illegal' download is illegal.

VHS Tapes (2, Insightful)

Ken Broadfoot (3675) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877979)

People buy them, people illegally record on them too. So what? I think that the industry is happy with the fact that people are legally downloading stuff and now they should stop all the whining about the the other folks who don't, and get over it.

You would think something like the VHS tape would destroy the movie industry. Just like downloading music has destroyed the music industry.

Err.... wait a minute... it didn't!

mod Ujp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12877980)

a d3ad man walking. where 1t belongs,

35% or 40% of ? (1)

NewAccount (633131) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877984)

Who exactly are 'music listeners?' everyone who answered 'yes' to "are you a music listener?" ???

Statistics (1)

theheff (894014) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877989)

35% are legal, 40% are illegal, so the remaining % (25) I assume would fall under both categories. You have to question though, how accurate are these percentages? Just because the EMR can't see users swapping media in not-so-obvious places... that doesn't mean it still isn't going on.

35 + 40 = obviously (1)

BEA6D (124745) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877990)

the other 25% are stuck watching a flash advertisment for viagra.

and (2, Insightful)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 9 years ago | (#12877993)

And the RIAA will claim the drop is due to them sueing everyone.

Apple will claim iPods and iTunes did it.

Microsoft will some how claim they did something to help with Windows Media Player.

Then more figures will come out saying the opposit and all statements will be withdrawn and more people sued.

journalists suck - article text (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12878020)

LONDON (Hollywood Reporter) - Around 35% of music consumers now download tracks legally via the Internet and the percentage will soon pass the 40% who have pirated music, according to a new survey released Monday by Entertainment Media Research.

The online research company used data collected from 4000 music consumers to compile the 2006 Digital Music Survey in association with media law firm Olswang.

Fear of prosecution, Internet viruses, and inferior quality were cited as the main deterrents against illegal downloading, the report said. Nearly two-thirds of music consumers said immediate availability was the key reason for buying tracks online.

"The findings indicate that the music industry is approaching a strategic milestone with the population of legal downloaders close to exceeding that of pirates," Entertainment Media Research chief executive Russell Hart said.

John Enser, senior partner at Olswang, added in a statement: "Clear deterrents to illegal downloading are emerging, with fear of prosecution running high, and close behind is the sense that unauthorized downloading is 'not fair on the artists,' suggesting that the industry's messages, led by the British Phonographic Industry, are being communicated effectively."

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They suck because they don't understand maths. Particularly, in this case, the Venn diagram (see) [wikipedia.org] .
Giving us a "35% use legal music downloads" and "40% pirate music" doesn't give us much clue about the number of people who do both, or neither.
The also fail to understand that when you pirate music (if you have a decent source of some kind) the only reason to stop is when you run out of hard drive space - not even then if you don't mind storing some music on CD-R.

Yes, we know better, but... (1)

trisweb (690296) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878036)

Okay, great, a statistic. All of us are going, "now wait just one minute there..." and using our inane skills of deduction to whittle away all of its importance (like you can do with any statistic).

So yeah, of course we know better, and this has a good chance of not being anywhere near accurate. So what? The rest of the dumb (er, non-nerd) public believes these statistics, at least on a subconsious level, especially the politicians! Let them believe that piracy is going down, that the paying markets are taking hold, that their business model is working. Maybe they'll stop worrying so much and actually focus on what's important, like making good music. Chances are their profits will keep on not going down. And when they ask how this happens even with all that piracy? Ehhhhhhh... it's magic. Here's some statistics. Good dog.

Fuck them (1)

OsirisX11 (598587) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878052)

I'll pirate till I die.
They've charged me way too much money for their low quality bullshit. I can get whatever I want whenever I want it now and there's not a damn thing they can do about it. so NAH NAH NA NAH NAHH. Bitches.

Interesting (1)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878056)

It'd be interesting to know how they arrived at both figures. I mean if you come up with 40% as pirated, could one not give themselves that figure as an arbitrary target. Thus they can surpass it rather quickly and voila! "Efforts via our anti-piracy campaign, and the technology sector embracing legal downloads has allowed us to surpass piracy!"

Is Anyone Actually Being Honest (1)

twoes00 (839980) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878073)

DO YOU Honestly think people are being honest? With all the recent lawsuits, people are becoming less and less open about downloading. From the people I know, few would admit to downloads, but would do it anyways.

However... (1)

wtmcgee (113309) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878081)

...While the percentage of users who buy music (I'm part of this group) may statistically pass the group who uses illegal p2p networks, what is omitted is the fact that, on average, p2p users download *way* more than someone like myself, or anyone else who uses iTunes (or insert favorite service here).

I think it's a bit premature to declare music piracy dead. Apple and others have made great inroads in such a short time to curb illegal p2p usage, but I think that CD sales is losing out to online distro., not p2p networks.

I still buy a lot of albums at the store, but I get all my singles and such online.

AudioLunchbox.com is one reason why (3, Informative)

kronos7871 (894021) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878083)

Sites like http://www.audiolunchbox.com/ [audiolunchbox.com] Magnatune, eMusic and mp3Tunes are one main reason why this trend is happening. NO DRM, Oggs and sometimes even FLAC - I'd say that is one major reason for the shift. Smaller sites with less mainstream content that let their users actually own the files unrestricted seem to finally be catching on. RIGHTON

What about me? (1)

NEOtaku17 (679902) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878092)

I'm one of those ones who downloads music and buys stuff that I think is really good(just to reward those really good artists). So where exactly do I fit into these statistics?

Also interesting to note that... (2, Informative)

eldawg (769959) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878094)

"The survey also found that 25% of 4,000 people interviewed said they were prepared to download music legally, up from 16% a year ago." (PCTalk [pctalk.org] )

Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12878096)

This would have been really interesting if the RIAA hadn't gone on it's little sueing spree lately. I wanted to know whether or not people would choose the legal option out of the goodness of their hearts once it was as easy/convenient as the illegal one. But now the sample has been dirtied by the RIAA's bullying tactics and we'll never know for sure whether people have just been scared into downloading legally.

Hmmmm (1)

billyhoward (98385) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878105)

Not if I can help it!

It works now fix it. (1)

SteveXE (641833) | more than 9 years ago | (#12878122)

Itunes songs as we all know are $1. Your average cd is about $13-$15.

Shouldnt we be saving money when buying from Itunes? After all they dont need to make disks, buy case's, print the disks or booklets, they dont need to hire people to work in the plants etc, so why are Itunes files priced at $1?

I would buy twice as much music from them if it was 50 cents per song and I wouldnt feel cheated either, I've stopped buying from Itunes for just that reason, $1 is to much for a single song, even more so since its crippled and I have to remove the DRM to play the files as mp3's in my car.
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