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Treo 650 Hacked: Dial-Up Networking via Bluetooth

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the smartly dept.

Wireless Networking 77

AndersBrownworth writes "The standard Treo 650 doesn't support Dial-Up Networking over Bluetooth, but Shadowmite figured out that they just hid the option, so he hacked up an un-crippled version. Trevor Harmon shows you how to get DUN over Bluetooth working and now my new PowerBook can get on the net from anywhere!"

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Obsolete (5, Informative)

cyklus (583951) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909588)

New official update for Treo 650: 0updater/sprint.html []

NOT OBSOLETE (2, Informative)

Bodysurf (645983) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909874)

That only works for the Sprint/PCS version of the Treo 650.

Treo 650 Updater 1.12
(for Sprint PCS)

There are a lot of people out there using the locked Cingular/GSM version Verizon/CDMA of the Treo650 where this still fills a void.

This is news, how? (3, Informative)

rufo (126104) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909589)

Yes, Shadowmite hacked DUN. About 8 months ago. []

Also, all unlocked GSM Treos have had this capability from day one, and Sprint just released a firmware update that officially enables this capability in all Sprint Treos... so how is this news, exactly?

Re:This is news, how? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12909698)

yes, he did it 8 months ago....but someone's connected to it with a mac...which makes it new and noteworth on slashdot

Re:This is news, how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12910465)

yes, he did it 8 months ago....but someone's connected to it with a mac...which makes it new and noteworth on slashdot

it really seems like self promotion to me (the submitter also submitted a link to his own site). anyone that is interested in this likely knows all this already. i've been using my treo as a modem with my laptop (running debian) through bluetooth for months.

Re:This is news, how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12911405)

Yeah, but those of us who have logged in and chosen not to see any Apple related stories will not see this blatant Apple Slashvertisement!

Oh, wait a minute...... Humm... Now how did that plug make it past this filter?

What do you expect from... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12909885)


Firs line of article says hack is no longer needed (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12909597)

Does even the editor read the first line of the articles? The article says that the hack is obsolete, unneeded. What a joke. Slashdot is so lousy these days.

Portable (0, Offtopic)

cube00 (524394) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909598)

Ahh yes, portable, handheld boobies anyone?

Same old level of post qualify for Slashdot... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12909609)

This is not news for nerds. Real nerds remember when this happened long ago. Long ago this was cool, now its a real supported feature.

So... Slashdot really seems to not be "News for Nerds" anymore as much as it is "News for the Lazy Dork Editors of This Site". I wish they'd keep up with tech news a little better. There are much more current and useful tech sites these days. The only thing that makes Slashdot worth viewing is the volume of comments. The users make the site. Its too bad the people who run it don't give a shit.

Treo 600 / T-Mobile... (1)

faedle (114018) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909610)

Anybody ever had any luck getting a Treo 600 working on T-Mobile for data as a modem?

I know there's a third-party app, but I could never get it to work for me...

Re:Treo 600 / T-Mobile... (2, Informative)

Shwag (20142) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909954)

Yah, I got the 3rd party app to work no problem whatsoever. You have to subscribe to the tmobile unlimited internet service. I think its like $29.99 a month.

Yep (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 9 years ago | (#12910065)

Subject: RE: Platform support
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:42:37 -0700


Sorry that unfortunately we have no plan to support Linux system.

June Fabrics PDA Software Support []

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Platform support
> From:
> Date: Fri, June 17, 2005 6:43 pm
> To:
> JuneFabrics,
> I am interested in using your product (for which I already purchased a
> Windows copy) under GNU/Linux.
> Are there any arrangements under which this might be possible.
> Thank you,
> Chris

Re:Treo 600 / T-Mobile... (1)

faedle (114018) | more than 9 years ago | (#12910202)

Which one?

I'm using Mac, so I have to use WirelessModem. No matter what I did, I couldn't get it to work.. and there's no documentation to speak of for T-Mobile...

Re:Treo 600 / T-Mobile... (1)

Shwag (20142) | more than 9 years ago | (#12918139)


Scavenging relevance (1)

gunner800 (142959) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909614)

Notwithstanding the non-need for a hack, is the Treo 650 any good? I've been thinking of getting one.

I don't need a lot of fanciness, just a working phone and convenient PDA in one unit.

Re:Scavenging relevance (1, Informative)

v3rgEz (125380) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909672)

Just got a Treo 600 3 days ago. It seems to have everything you want: working phone and the pda essentials. It ain't as pretty as my old Axim, but it's a lot more efficient with the built in keyboard, got a crappy little camera which is good for taking pictures of stuff you need to rememember (I'm a reporter with a terrible memory), and it's got an EXCELLENT navigation system that basically makes the touchscreen pointless (trust me, that's a good thing). QWERTY takes about 4 seconds to get warmed up to, then you'll be typing away fast. Can strain you after a while, but great for short messages, notes, and even doc editing.

Last thing I'm working on is getting it synced with my Ubuntu box, which although difficult appears to be possible.

I'd say it's very worth it.

Re:Scavenging relevance (1)

bonehead (6382) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909913)

I've had a Treo 650 for about 3 months now.

I agree, it's a great little PDA/phone combo. The keyboard is great, in fact on a recent business trip I did all of my e-mail from the Treo and never bothered firing up the laptop. I wouldn't want to type long documents on it, but I was truly amazed at how quickly that little keyboard becomes second nature. It's light years ahead of any handwriting recognition scheme I've ever used on a PDA.

The camera is only 640x480, but the pics are good enough that I very rarely find myself carrying my "real" camera anymore. Most of the snapshots I take just don't require 6 megapixels.

Personally, I'd recommend getting one through Sprint. Compare their data prices to those from Verizon to see why. They're the only two carriers with decent coverage in my area, so I haven't checked the others. Cingular may have some good deals, too, I don't know.

It is more bulky than a normal phone, though, so if the PDA features and Internet access from anywhere in the country don't interest you, then the Treo probably isn't for you.

My only complaint is that the speakerphone isn't loud enough to really be useable, but a bluetooth headset makes that a non-issue.

Re:Scavenging relevance (1)

dfghjk (711126) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909673)

No, it's bug-riddled and unstable. The newest firmware does not fix the memory allocation problem just makes it different. If you enjoy wiping your phone clean one a week and restoring it to cover up firmware bugs then the 650 is the phone for you.

Re:Scavenging relevance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12909759)

get a blackberry 7100

Re:Scavenging relevance (1)

micahmicahmicah (600841) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909855)

I have it from sprint. It's like any other palm device, not perfect - but you learn how to work around it. If you find the phone resetting, just remove the last stuff you installed. I sync everyday at home, and at work - so it's not a big deal for me.

What I love about my treo 650
camera phone & video phone (good for caller ID, and great shots of friends boobs - I don't argue, I just enjoy)
mp3, avi, mpeg, divx, etc playback
converter - if you have a palm, you need this app
mRing (mp3 ringtones)
Bluetooth - great in a movie theatre before the show - someone always has a BT phone close by.

Modem speed is ok, good enough to VNC to my home box when I need to or just get bored.

On an average day - I play some NES games, chat on AIM (verichat), listen to mp3's, VNC home to check downloads, check email, check for new messages, and I think that's it.

I also recommend picking up a penstylus

Sony Ericsson P910i (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12909890)

Best on the market today. Excellent battery life. Great Phone, good PDA, adequate email/web. Outstanding bluetooth sync with Mac.

The Treo 650 - Excellent PDA, good phone, adequate email.

Blackberry - excellent email, good pda, (barely) adequate phone. Poor battery life if used as phone for lots of airtime.

Re:Sony Ericsson P910i (1)

dfghjk (711126) | more than 9 years ago | (#12912376)

one more thing about the 910---incredibly slow and buggy applications particularly email. Makes the machine insufferable. The Treo apps are nice but the OS is buggy. The 910 is exactly the opposite. The 910 boot is painfully slow too. Neither is worth having.

WHEN it works, it's great (1)

Bodysurf (645983) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909896)

It's an absolutely fantastic product WHEN it works. My experience was with a Cingular locked Treo 650.

Unfortunately, it didn't work too long without freezing or locking-up. I couldn't tolerate a phone/PDA that would reboot or freeze several times a day, so I went back to my Nokia 3600 that runs for weeks/months without any problems.

The stability is on par with Windows 95 running on buggy hardware.

My advice is to stay far away until people say it's reliable and stable.

Re:WHEN it works, it's great (1)

bonehead (6382) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909991)

Mine is reliable and stable (Sprint T659 with most recent firmware).

I do get a spontaneous reset about once a week, but it only happens when I exit one specific app, so I'm not inclined to blame that entirely on the Treo.

Re:WHEN it works, it's great (1)

bonehead (6382) | more than 9 years ago | (#12910001)

Oops, sorry about the typo. That shoud be T650, not 659.

Re:WHEN it works, it's great (1)

dfghjk (711126) | more than 9 years ago | (#12912387)

Mine has the new firmware and text messaging is completely hosed now. I'll have to hard reset to recover. Palm hasn't fixed the problem, they've only changed its appearance.

Re:WHEN it works, it's great (1)

bonehead (6382) | more than 9 years ago | (#12912571)

What's wrong with text messaging? I've sent and received over a hundred txt messages since installing the new firmware with no problems.

Re:Scavenging relevance (3, Informative)

jht (5006) | more than 9 years ago | (#12910002)

I've had mine for a couple of weeks, and I like it. A lot. I had a lot of trouble with it the first couple of days, until I weeded out all the incompatible cruft that had accumulated from all the software I had on my old Palm Tungsten T (which in turn had everything from prior Palms I've owned over the years). A few warm reboots and removed apps/patches later, it's very solid, only requiring one reset over the last week (an AvantGo sync locked it up). That, to me, is about average for a Palm nowadays, so the Treo is typical. Yes, it's bigger than my Sony Ericsson T637 was, but not ridiculously so. And it's smaller than any other phone I've seen with a QWERTY keyboard.

In its current version (I have the Cingular model, with the current non-updated firmware from them), there's some Bluetooth weirdness when using multiple devices with it. I mainly just use it wirelessly with my headset, so it's not a big deal right now. Battery life has been very good - a full day of use with no charging (an hour or two of phone time, and about an hour's worth of PDA use) will only take the charge down to about 80%. That's almost as good as my old phone. The speakerphone is pretty good, and even acceptable in the car. I do wish I still had Graffiti readily available, and I'm looking forward to getting more free space after the update finally comes out from Cingular, but overall I'm very pleased.

Note to Cingular users: if you buy the phone directly from Palm or a third-party without a service plan as an upgrade, you can save some money. With your old phone, add their $20/month Media Net unlimited plan, and then just move your SIM into the Treo when it arrives. You now have the exact same plan that would cost you $40 if you signed the Treo up directly.

Re:Scavenging relevance (1)

diamondsw (685967) | more than 9 years ago | (#12910155)

Warning - there are all kinds of horror stories on the TreoCentral boards of people trying this, and getting socked with thousand dollar bills for data airtime...

Re:Scavenging relevance (1)

jht (5006) | more than 9 years ago | (#12910289)

I think it depends on what variation on the Media Works/Media Net package you have. I just have Media Net Unlimited, which includes unlimited data but caps on text and MMS (neither of which I use). According to my plan and bill summaries, it's not an issue.

But it is pretty easy to confuse the various plans when you sign up. Media Works originally had an unlimited option that had no cap on regular data usage - that was how I used my old T637 as a wireless modem on occasion (before I switched to Verizon for that service - see my comments on the EV-DO story here for more details). I dropped Media Works Unlimited when I bought the Verizon card, but for my purposes the Media Net Unlimited does the same thing.

Re:Scavenging relevance (1)

ObitMan (550793) | more than 9 years ago | (#12913050)

I had medianet unlimited.
and I got hit with a $600 bill after the first months use.
Cingular's reasoning was that Media Net wasn't compatible with the Treo.
Went to the local Cingular box shop where I bought it and the plan and they straightend it out for me. But i had to go with the unlimited PDA connect plan after that.
Cingular never got thier plans right for this device before selling it.
Now if they would only catch up to the other carriers with regards to the firmware updates.

Re:Scavenging relevance (1)

StarsAreAlsoFire (738726) | more than 9 years ago | (#12910387)

The hardware... well, I am in awe.

The software? Well, I am also in awe, but in the sense that it is the most disgusting abuse of good hardware I've ever seen in my life.

Usability was not a feature the software guys cared about, it would seem.

One example: Say you get a call while you are already on the line, and you take said call: There is no way to end only one of the calls. You can FLASH over, from one to the other, but you cannot 'end current call'. Even the $%&&*$#^* POS manual says 'for your convienence, the Treo 650 will automatically call back the last active number when you select 'Hang up all' so that you may continue the conversation'. Not an exact quote, but close.

This is the Sprint phone, can't imagine that software for others is very different.

There is also a lag when you answer. If you answer your ringing phone and immedietly say 'Hello?' or '(name) speaking:' the person who called you WILL NOT HEAR IT. You must pause for about a second or two before saying anything after answering.

Menus do not 'remember' anything. Want to go to your contacts list? Always defaults to 'All' -- never remembers a subcategory. Voice dial? Subscription feature.

Frankly, I'm super pissed about the treo 650. Buy a PDA and a cheap-ass phone and you will save 300 bucks and be far happier.

Re:Scavenging relevance (1)

sych (526355) | more than 9 years ago | (#12912094)

> Want to go to your contacts list? Always defaults to 'All' -- never remembers a subcategory. Voice dial? Subscription feature.

Options -> Preferences -> [x] Remember Last Category.

>There is no way to end only one of the calls. You can FLASH over, from one to the other, but you cannot 'end current call'

"Swap Call" til you're on the call you want to end. Then "Hang Up". (this is for GSM. perhaps the PCS support is dodgy, or perhaps PCS itself is dodgy. upgrade already to GSM, like the rest of the world ;)

>There is also a lag when you answer.

Doesn't happen for me.

Voice dial? Subscription feature.

Or a 3rd-party tool. Yes, for a phone of this price it should have been included.

I will have to concede that the phone functions are a little basic. However I've never had anywhere near the bad experience that you describe.

Re:Scavenging relevance (1)

StarsAreAlsoFire (738726) | more than 9 years ago | (#12912891)

Options -> Preferences -> [x] Remember Last Category.

Thanks -- read through the manual a couple of times, didn't see it. WOuldn't swear that it isn't there, the manual is 200 some pages of mostly worthless pratter. Also, for reference, unlike the majority of the screens, touching the top of the screen with the stylus doesn't bring down the File menu -- I didn't figure anyone would make up the options -> prefs thing so I took the time and managed to discover that pushing the menu button DOES bring down a menu. So, thanks a bunch.

"Swap Call" til you're on the call you want to end.
Not described in the manual, and I have NEVER seen a 'hang up' option while connected under three way, and I've swapped a few times. Always shows 'hang up all' on screen, and the hang up key (red phone) does exactly that. No matter what, I hang up on both callers. It is broken to the point that I no longer utilize call waiting :~/ Yes, it is the Piece of Crap System (PCS) ala sprint.

The lag issue may be the same -- a GSM/PCS thing. The Register mentioned having it happen to them as well in their review.

Given that the processor is more powerfull than that of my first PC -- A pentium 90 with 16mb ram and a 1GB HD (my 650 has a GB SD card in it), I think it could have better software. I am extremely disappointed that such a SWEET piece of hardware was abused by the programming department into a 100% average piece of kit. With a below average phone. The ONLY complaint I have on the hardware was that they used a micro-plug instead of the standard stereo mini-plug for the headset/headphones. Okay, and that they, also, are victims of the 'must...have....blinky lights...' syndrome. But the screen is so pretty! and the keyboard so nice! I mean, you have to make sure not to trim your nails too close, but it really is nice!

BUT! If you (original request person) do buy it, make sure to check out Pocket Tunes. Very nice. I never even tried Real Player, which comes installed on the Sprint version. Some sort of personal hatred on my part. Many out there will understand.....

Re:Goto (2, Informative)

JackAxe (689361) | more than 9 years ago | (#12910576)

Go here for all the scoop; ?f=70 []

The peeps I know that have a T650 swear by it and have had a great experience. The latest updates from Sprint and Palm fix several issues for the unlucky peeps that did experience true problems.

If you read through Treocentral to get a basic understanding, things should go smoothly. I've notice that the peeps that had the most problems did things like not charging the phone when it was first opened. A requirment for all devices of this type. Or they loaded it up with tons of old Palm apps from the begining, apps that didn't plaly nicely with the new hardware. For the most part, user error.

Do not go with Cingular.

Re:Scavenging relevance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12910645)

Personally, I love mine. IMHO, it was well worth the cost. I do have, however, a few issues with my phone (from Cingular):

1) The camera sucks. Period.
2) Versamail is a complete POS. I can't use it for more than a week before the databases get corrupted and I have to delete them and all the email in them. If you get this phone, get another email client.
3) Lockups and hangs. I've only had 1 or 2 actual lockups where I had to reset the phone. I have, however, had a few hangs where the phone would not respond for a few seconds.
4) Someone (not sure if it was Cingular or Palm) has made it so some of the most worthless crap cannot be uninstalled. Like versamail or the "quick tour".
5) Lack of memory. This was just a piss-poor desig n by Palm and there is absolutely no excuse for it.

That's about it. Bluetooth works fine with my Motorola headset. Reception is really good. The speakerphone is a little quiet, but works well overall.

Re:Scavenging relevance (1)

BigRedGPK (825060) | more than 9 years ago | (#12916712)

I have loved all of my Treo's (180,270,600 and now 650). I bought them for the same reason you are, a two in one solution. But now the treo is also my MP3 player using a 1gb high speed SD card.

It's not without it's quirks and bugs, but I wouldn't recomend any other smart phone (well maybe the Treo 600 ;-) )


Innovation comes from freedom. (1)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909615)

This shows that true innovation comes from the freedom to tinker with existing devices and technology, just as much as it might come from the incentive of profit.

Re:Innovation comes from freedom. (2, Insightful)

ebrandsberg (75344) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909645)

Innovation != unhiding an option. Innovation is putting something in that wasn't turned off for marketing reasons.

Re:Innovation comes from freedom. (1)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909646)

What innovation? That feature was already there.

Re:Innovation comes from freedom. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12909742)

This shows that true innovation comes from the freedom to tinker

You have an odd idea of what "innovation" means. Its already in there but the powers that be turned it off -- not sure if this is for profit motive (likely) or that it was screwed up (also likely).

new powerbook? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12909622)

Why would anyone buy a Powerbook right now? Its going to be obsolete without any new software once the Intel Macs start rolling out.

Don't claim this is offtopic... It is mentioned in TFS (the f'ing summary)/..

Stop mocking them (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12909737)

The powerbooks haven't been worth buying in about 12 months. A 167mhz FSB. Cripes. Sounds like a P III.

THe worst is when the fanatics say "well, its fast enough for me!"

Well, no sh*t. But I can get a $700 Dell that's fast enough for web browsing.

I suggest Apple keep it the same, and just call it a MediocreBook to keep up with the truth in advertising laws.

Re:Stop mocking them (2, Insightful)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909764)

So what the fuck are you going to do with that Dell? It's the software stupid.

Only a "fanboy" geek would give a shit about Mhz,SPEC scores etc... Regular people care about whether it gets the job done.

Re:Stop mocking them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12910506)

you make it sound like a bad thing. i've never complained reading an anand article. it is also worth noting that specs determine whether or not a job can get done. i'd much rather geek over (yes, like a verb) specs than glitterlust over an operating system because it looks like candy. not a shot on os 10, but... i've known plenty of fan(girls/boys) that have purchased macs because they are "pretty".

Dvorak (2, Funny)

rasty (212471) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909624)

Now if anyone could come out with a Dvorak keyboard hack for the Treo, I'd finally re-experience the graffiti learning experience!

If you have a sprint Treo 650 (2, Informative)

jockm (233372) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909636)

You can get the latest firmware [] with supports DUN over BT.

Old? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12909659)

Why is this presented as if it just happened?

Re:Old? (1)

mschaffer (97223) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909723)

Ditto! This is old news for even Slashdot!

Re:Old? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12909756)

I think you will find in English it is:

Ditto! This is old news even for Slashdot!

Only for Verizon (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12909660)

This hack is now really only valid for Verizon uses as they are the only carrier left with the crippled functionality...

Re:Only for Verizon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12909860)

And Cingular.

Re:Only for Verizon (1) (142825) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909897)

Verizon uses as they are the only carrier left with the crippled functionality
Verizon is good if you want to deal with customer (dis)service and support people who are one neuron short of a synapse.

Re:Only for Verizon... AND Cingular (1)

BigRedGPK (825060) | more than 9 years ago | (#12916739)

Cingular too... There is no Bluetooth DUN out of the box. Timmay

Linux is dead unlike Bluetooth (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12909661)

Yet another sickening blow has struck what's left of the Linux community, as a soon-to-be-released report by the independent Commision for Technology Management (CTM) after a year-long study has concluded: Linux is already dead. Here are some of the commission's findings:

Fact: Linux has balkanized yet again. There are now no less than 140 separate, competing Linux distros, each of which has introduced fundamental incompatibilities with the other distros, and frequently with Unix standards. Average number of developers in each project (except for Redhat and Novell/Suse): fewer than five. Average number of users per project: there are no definitive numbers, but reports show that all projects are on the decline.

Fact: The trivial issue of what to call Linux continues to hound Linux. At a recent Linux conference in San Francisco, a fight broke out between RMS (Richard M. Stallman) who says Linux should be called GNU/Linux and Linus Torvalds who created Linux and says that Linux should be called Linux. This led to a massive barroom style brawl involving at least 150 Linux geeks. The SFPD was called out to break up the melee, and arrested 150 people. It was estimated that at least 2 to 3 times that many were involved in the brawl, but there wasn't enough police on hand to arrest or count all of them. Sixty one people were hospitalized as a result of this brawl, and one person is still in a coma. Another three people had to get their jaws wired shut.

Fact: Linux is plagued by a lack of professionalism. The stereotype of Linux users being fat unwashed dateless geeks who still live in their parents' basements and refuse to shower more than once a month is all too true. The best example of this is RMS who claims to have a "water phobia" and thus rarely bathes. RMS also looks like he has been living in a cave for the last 5 years. In fact, RMS has been arrested twice because he has been mistaken for Osama Bin Laden. While RMS has always been found to not be Osama Bin Laden, it has created a perception of that Linux is the "terrorist operating system". Linus Torvalds has been forced to spend a great deal of time correcting this perception instead of working on the Linux kernel. Alan Cox quit Linux kernel development since he got tired of everyone saying that he was a terrorist.

Fact: There are almost no Connectiva developers left, and its use, according to Netcraft, is down to a sadly crippled .005% of internet servers. This led to Mandrakesoft, makers of another troubled distro, to purchase Connectiva and become Mandriva. However, industry anaylists say that this will not help since Mandriva is already a shell of its former self.

Fact: will not include support for Redhat's Fedora project. The newly formed group believes that Fedora has strayed too far from Unix standards and have become too difficult to support along with other Linux distros and Solaris x86. "It's too much trouble," said one anonymous developer. "If they want to make their own standards, let them doing the porting for us."

Fact: Ubuntu Linux, yet another offshoot of the beleaguered Debian "distro", is already collapsing under the weight of internal power struggles and in-fighting. "They haven't done a single decent release," notes Mark Baron, an industry watcher and columnist. "Their mailing lists read like an online version of a Jerry Springer episode, complete with food fights, swearing, name-calling, and chair-throwing. It also doesn't help that most people think the word, "Ubuntu", is an obscure term for a homosexual orgy." Netcraft reports that Ubuntu Linux is run on exactly 0% of internet servers. An attempt to save Ubuntu by creating a derivative distro called Kubuntu has also failed.

Fact: Debian Linux, which claims to focus on "being free" (whatever that is supposed to mean), is slow, and cannot take advantage of multiple CPUs. "That about drove the last nail in the coffin for Linux use here," said Michael Curry, CTO of "We took our Debian boxes out to the backyard and shot them in the head. We're much happier running FreeBSD."

Fact: The Slackware Distro is now dead. Pat Volkerding could never get their distro to function on hardware other than Intel and S/390. Had Pat Volkerding not been slacking off, Slackware would still be around.

Fact: Servers running SELinux, which claims to focus on security, are frequently compromised. According to Jim Markham, editor of the online security forum SecurityWatch, the few SELinux servers that exist on the internet have become a joke among the hacker community. "They make a game out of it," he says. "The SELinux team will scramble to make a new patch to fix one problem, and they've already compromised a bunch of boxes with a different exploit."

With these incontroverible facts staring (what's left of) the Linux community in the face, they can only draw one conclusion: Linux is already dead.

Re:Linux is dead unlike Bluetooth (0)

v3rgEz (125380) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909705)

Replying to trolls is bad, I know, but I feel like somebody ought to point out that this is a complete hoax. For example, Werner Vogels, not NBA player Michael Curry, is the CTO of Amazon, and RMS was confused for Saddam Hussein, not Osama bin Laden. This type of FUD isn't constructive.

The commission of technology management doesn't even exist.

Re:Linux is dead unlike Bluetooth (0, Offtopic)

master0ne (655374) | more than 9 years ago | (#12909971)

as well as the fact that ubunutu was NEVER ment as a server distro, hence 0% of the SERVER market is a GOOD thing, and kubunutu was not an attempt to save ubunutu, but an attempt to please KDE users (which btw worked quite well) Linux is not dead, and the only example the troll provides is server stats (note how he never mentions RedHat's server statistice?) Alot of people use linux on home boxen. Debian is only old because they prefer to remain stable, if you try a "testing" distro it is quite up to date (well more than the troll let on) Slackware workes fine on my amd Athlon 2700+ box, aswell as all the other boxen ive installed it on (provided i can config it right... can be confusing sometimes)... so this thread was a total troll, as shown by a complete attempt to disinform the public, aswell as a lack of link to the article where the AC supposedly read this...

Treo 650 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12909674)

I just bought a Treo 650 about a week ago and I love it - You don't need to use Graffiti in fact from what I can gather you can't use it without an add on. But the keyboard works great. I agree I thought this was an odd post because the DUN was one of the first things I went looking for and it turns out it was included and it was hacked months ago which is no longer even a valid hack with the new firmware. At any rate check out the Treo - It's an awesome device. Now as a computer consultant I am out on clients sites, able to recieve phone calls, Instant messages, and emails all on the fly with a blackberry push type of service . . . it's fantastic!

Re:Treo 650 (1)

Ira Sponsible (713467) | more than 9 years ago | (#12910858)

If you really need remote access on your treo, you should check this out:

Win-Hand Anywhere []

Spooks my wife every time I take over the home computer when I'm at work.

Warning - it's a time based license (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12911708)

Have a look at the 'but it now' link - you can't purchase the software - you pay for a time based license.

Not nice

PPC 6600 does this already (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12909910)

My PPC 6600 required no hack to get this working. I have python on it, and standard microsoft development tools and GCC can both compile for it. Treo is a crappy closed platform, why waste your money on it. If Microsoft beats you in openness...your platform licks.

Re:So has the T650 from day one. (1)

JackAxe (689361) | more than 9 years ago | (#12910486)

Besides the fact this news is "quite" old, Palm has always sold "unlocked" GSM T650s.

This has nothing to do with Palm, and everything to do with the providers. Cingular and Sprint offered CDMA Treos at a nice discount, but intentionally crippled the DUN. Tis why a hack was made almost a year ago. Sprint's latest firmware update also unlocks DUN. Now it's just Cingular and Verizon.

MS didn't beat Palm to this, and if you had years of experience with both platforms like me, you probably wouldn't be using your PocketPC. Anyways, If I were to buy a PPC phone, I would personally go with the 3615. Talk time is important, and 3.5 hours on a 6600 is poor. Even the GSM Treos gets about 6.5 hours.

DUN over BT (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12910109)

What they don't tell you, is that when your phone is on the data network, you can't take calls. At least, that's the case with Sprint, but I believe it's a limitation of CDMA (and possibly other) networks. It's not a huge deal, mind you, but when you're on call and your NOC expects to get ahold of you, they get pretty worried when their calls go straight to voicemail because you're at the pool using your Treo to talk on IRC. You can get voicemail notifications and text messages though, so that's good.

The new firmware from PalmOne does indeed remove the need to use ShadowMites' hack. He's got some other interesting things though, like leaner versions of the firmware without the crappy Real Player, and a barely working WiFi driver for SD WiFi cards in the Treo. Before the update from PalmOne last week, his BT hack was so very lovely. It's understandable, though, why it was crippled. It was buggy as shit, and required multiple resets, before and after its use. The official version is much better. (Note: Shadowmite simply unlocked the unfinished BT DUN support that was already there.)

And, completely unrelated... I buy a lot of gadgets. I know, it's a disease, but I can't help it. The Treo 650 is fucking the most incredible gadget I have ever had the pleasure of owning. I don't often use the BT DUN because the damn Treo does IRC, email, AIM, SSH (even screened in and used BitchX), and web. And, oh yea, I can sustain a 56k Shoutcast stream while I'm on the move using pTunes. Have I mentioned it's awesome?

Oh yea, and the new update allows the keyboard brightness to be adjusted along with the screen brightness, rather than leaving it on full burn when you dim the screen, which sucked in the dark. It also kills the pause when dialing numbers from the address book. The Treo... if only I could have sex with it.

Re:DUN over BT (1)

bonehead (6382) | more than 9 years ago | (#12910883)

Regarding the issue with no incoming calls while on the data network: I have a vague recollection of reading somewhere that this is indeed a CDMA limitation. Could someone with a GSM 650 verify that incoming calls come through on that platform during a data connection?

Personally, I don't find it to be much of an issue since the voicemail notification still works, so if I do miss a call I can check my voicemail and call them back within a minute or two.

I agree that the 650 is great. I had some severe doubts about that chiclet keyboard, but the rounded tops on the keys along with whatever software magic they're doing to pick the correct key when you accidentally hit two at once makes it a joy to use. It's obviously no replacement for a real keyboard, but it beats the tar out of handwriting recognition.

Re:DUN over BT (1)

ThogScully (589935) | more than 9 years ago | (#12911185)

Could someone with a GSM 650 verify that incoming calls come through on that platform during a data connection?

Confirmed... -N

a CDMA limitiation (1)

sych (526355) | more than 9 years ago | (#12912738)

It is a CDMA limitation. The EDGE and GPRS packet-data services which run atop of GSM don't have this problem. Depending on implementation (both at the carrier and on the terminal - and I'm not sure of the Treo's implementation), GPRS (and I would presume EDGE) supports simultaneous voice and data. If the implementation doesn't support simultaneous use, an incoming or outgoing call will simply "pause" the data session. Calls can always interrupt the data.

you suck timothy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12910384)

timothy, you are the worst /. mod ever. Why the hell did you post this story?

How you gonna mod this one? huh? huh? -1 offtopic to show everyone you can take criticism. Maybe you'll get pissed and give me a -1 troll. Or perhaps you'll just make everyone think you never saw it and not mod this post at all. Either way, you still suck. I'm also convinced you are just a monkey that throws his poop at a random story, taco throws in a few grammar errors, and posts it.

Go back to sucking taco's dick so you can keep your job.

Something car thieves are watching out for... (1)

mikael (484) | more than 9 years ago | (#12910891)

In the UK, thieves are now using Bluetooth enabled handsets to detect laptops and mobile phones hidden inside cars.

When will we get free DUN via USB? (1)

glrotate (300695) | more than 9 years ago | (#12910895)

That would be much cooler.

Re:When will we get free DUN via USB? Got Linux? (1)

BigRedGPK (825060) | more than 9 years ago | (#12916802) [] . Here is a site that will do DUN via USB for free for the Treo 180/270 with a product called SerialBridge... I have a feeling it will also work for the 600, and (thinking really hard!!!) the Treo 650.

I would love to see someone pick this up and make it better and keep it going!


Verizon Cracking down on pda's without data plans. (1)

Shook (75517) | more than 9 years ago | (#12911008)

I'm upgrading from a broken-down Kyocera 7135 [] Kyocera Smartphone to a Treo 650.

For more than a year, I was in complete heaven. I did not pay for a data plan, and got info for logging into a 3G data connection from PDA Phone Home. A net connection was billed as regular voice minutes. Couple that with unlimited nights and weekends, and I could use the Internet at will.

I could hook the phone up to my laptop using the USB cable and connect at 28.8-36.6 anywhere with cell service and surf at will after 9pm.

Now several users are upgrading from 2-year-old Kyoceras to the Treo 650 and are getting burned [] , even with the slower/older QNC service.

I suppose I should have felt lucky that I got cheap cellular internet access for so long, but it's hard to start paying for something when you got a free ride before.

Re:Verizon Cracking down on pda's without data pla (1)

sych (526355) | more than 9 years ago | (#12912753)

An earlier poster mentioned he was able to get an unlimited data plan (possibly with a different telco). You might want to try that.

Having used both, the Kyocera 7135 feels like a nasty hack compared to the Treo 650 - which feels much better integrated. You ought to like the upgrade to Palm OS 5, higher-res screen with better backlight, and the way faster processor.

It's a much nicer device :)

Re:Verizon Cracking down on pda's without data pla (1)

rainbowfyre (175300) | more than 9 years ago | (#12913959)

It is possible to keep your old data plan -- you might want to fight to get to higher-level wireless tech support.

The basic deal is they had lots of billing complaints, because it is easy to leave the network connection on with the Treo650. Therefore, it is Verizon policy to not sell any treo without a data plan.

However, if you sign up for the Pay-As-You-Go data plan, you can immediately call customer service to take off that plan and add a "1xPP1" feature, which takes data out of minutes. They'll rant to you about overage charges, and how it's not their fault if you get a $1000 bill, but they'll do it.

Crippled phones... (1)

PhotoGuy (189467) | more than 9 years ago | (#12911189)

I splurged on a Motorola V710 cell phone; blue tooth, MP3 player, camera, ringtones, etc..

However, Telus followed Verizon's lead, and offered a crippled version of the phone. Even something as simple as sending an sound file or contacts via bluetooth wasn't possible.

The cell phone providers want you to send data to the phone over *their* charging network, not over a free network (bluetooth). It is really hampering convergence, in my opinion.

There are hacks for a lot of crippled platforms, but having to find a bootleg foreign ROM and reflash your phone is a bit extreme just to get a feature that was designed in by the manufacturer, but disabled by the provider.

This is actually a great argument for an *open* Cell/PDA platform. No silly crippling possible. I'd buy one, and choose a provider based upon the lack of such crippling ability.

Re:T-Mobile (1)

JackAxe (689361) | more than 9 years ago | (#12911349)

You can buy an untatinted Treo from Palum and use it with T-Mobile, or any ohter GSM provider. And since the provider hasn't loaded it with their crap, these unloccked Treos are very reliable in general I wouldn't use Cingular GSM though, they're crooks..

This is news? (1)

OhioJoe (178138) | more than 9 years ago | (#12912999)

I mean, like "new" news? I recall reading about this "hidden DUN" hack on a site somewhere back when I bought my Treo several months ago.

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