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iTunes 4.9 With Podcasting Support

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the waste-of-bandwidth-and-time dept.

Media (Apple) 498

eakthecat writes "Hot on the heels of the 4.8 release, Apple has released the next version of its popular iTunes jukebox software. Version 4.9 incorporates several new features, most notable of which is podcasting. The front page and iTunes webpages have not been updated yet, but you can get your greedy little hands on it or through the new podcasting link in the music store! !"

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I, for one... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12930451)

...welcome our new podcasting overlords.

[hangs head in shame]

Ask Slashdot: sick or sexy? (1)

Captain Poopypants (720974) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930518)

Sick or sexy [whitestkids.com] ?

What IS podcasting? (2, Interesting)

Caspian (99221) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930453)

I'm sure I'm going to be asked to turn in my "geek card", but just what the hell IS "podcasting" anyhow? (n.b.: I do not own an iPod, nor do I own a clone thereof)

Re:What IS podcasting? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12930472)

Podcasting is an audio distribution system based on RSS with enclosures. This allows anyone to setup their own audio show and easily distribute it to subscribers. One of the pioneers of Podcasting is Adam Curry http://www.curry.com/ [curry.com]

Re:What IS podcasting? (2, Insightful)

mrch0mp3rs (864814) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930540)

Long story short: A podcast is an audio blog.

The iTunes support for podcasting means that now iTunes will act as your audio blog aggregator/player.

Re:What IS podcasting? (-1, Flamebait)

callipygian-showsyst (631222) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930576)

An "iPod" is a knock-off of a iRiver Jukebox, both of which stole their basic concept from the popular "Sony Walkman" line of products.

A "podcast" is a downloadable audio file of some whiny kid who thinks he's an authority on something and has a delusional idea that people care what he has to say--in audio form.

Re:What IS podcasting? (0, Offtopic)

Deekin_Scalesinger (755062) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930601)

The first part of this statement is trollish, the second part is true. How to mod, how to mod....

Re:What IS podcasting? (4, Funny)

pizen (178182) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930642)

We need line-item modding.

Re:What IS podcasting? (2, Funny)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930662)

Inciteful [answers.com] .

Re:What IS podcasting? (1)

poor_boi (548340) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930702)

I like it!

Re:What IS podcasting? (4, Funny)

kalel666 (587116) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930655)

A "podcast" is a downloadable audio file of some whiny kid who thinks he's an authority on something and has a delusional idea that people care what he has to say--in audio form.

So its like Slashdot, but in stereo?

:-D (1)

wild_berry (448019) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930776)

Post. Of. The. Day.

Re:What IS podcasting? (0, Troll)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930684)

a) where did iPod have ANYTHING to do with this question other than that people call it podcasting cause 80% of the players out there are iPods.

b) Who are you to say its a whiny kid. Most podcasts are made by major figures who instead of or along with using radio, also put out a mp3 file of their show. Two of the podcasts I recently heard where actually director commentary for Battlestar, and Enterprise, I certainly thing a director of a show would have some authorrity on something.

A pure troll plain and simple and should be modded as such.

Re:What IS podcasting? (0, Redundant)

UnrefinedLayman (185512) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930781)

Did you happen to record this little tirade? It's a perfect example of the parent's description of a podcast.

Re:What IS podcasting? (2, Interesting)

Jubii (315611) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930784)

A better question is, "why should I care?" I understand that you visit people's sites, download their rants and listen to them on the go... but I still don't "get" it. Why is this useful to me? I see so many geeks excited about this, and I feel I must have missed out on something. Does this appeal to the whole blogger group... who enjoy hearing about a complete stranger's day, or listening to them voice their opinion? Because that's what podcasting seems like to me... again, I wonder if I'm missing something. If it was news or other information, I could see the usefulness, but podcasting seems like a fancy soapbox for people.

"Mac-dotted" (4, Interesting)

amichalo (132545) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930458)

The iTunes Music Store has "Mac-dotted" themselves. After getting 49, I tried to download some podcasts but the store that can serve up hundreds of millions of tracks is a bit overwhelmed right now. Try again later.

In other news, Apple also modified its iPod line by removing the iPod Photo as a unique line:

20GB COLOR iPod $299
60GB color iPod $399
1GB Shuffle $129

Re:"Mac-dotted" (5, Informative)

the_unknown_soldier (675161) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930492)

The podcasts are held on the server of whoever makes them. Slowness of teh podcasts is most likely due to the fact that Curry/Madge can't handle the bandwidth hit.

Re:"Mac-dotted" (1)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930588)

This one needs modded up. Anyone that made the statement the grand parent made does not understand how RSS and Podcatchers work.

Re:"Mac-dotted" (3, Interesting)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930521)

In the Euro market the Ipod 20GB colour costs 299 euros or 361 dollars.
All the Euro prices are identical to the dollar prices (which is very annoying considering the dollars value right now) except for the 1GB shuffle which is 139.

Re:"Mac-dotted" (1)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930683)

Personally I'm having no issues with my morning podcasts... although I am using this app [roxio.com] .

Re:"Mac-dotted" (1)

mboos (700155) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930753)

I guess I should have waited a month to buy my new iPod. Oh well. Color screens suck the life out of batteries anyways.

Annoying installer (5, Insightful)

kevmo (243736) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930461)

Is anyone else annoyed that their is no real Windows "updater" for iTunes, and each update basically requires iTunes to reinstall, sometimes clobbering my settings that tell Quicktime to stop bothering me?

I really wish that if Apple releases software for Windows that they actually put the work necessary into it to make it a good product. (Don't get me wrong, I still like iTunes, it just seems very unpolished in Windows).

Re:Annoying installer (4, Informative)

chota (577760) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930493)

Hmm... I've never had the problems you've described, maybe you're using the iTunes + Quicktime combined installer instead of the iTunes-only one? In any case, when the "Register Quicktime" box comes up next time, set your clock forward about 4 years, click "Not Now" and then set your clock back to the real time. No more annoying pop-up. :)

(Don't get me wrong, I still like iTunes, it just seems very unpolished in Windows).

I think that may be by design, to get you to "switch".

Also, it's now available on the website: Download iTunes 4.9 [apple.com] .

Re:Annoying installer (2, Informative)

kevmo (243736) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930534)

I think that may be by design, to get you to "switch".

It's going to take more than a rough-around-the-edges music player to get me to switch to Apple hardware. Specifically, it would take about a $500-$1000 price drop as well as more software companies releasing games with support for Mac OS X (Battlefield 2 anyone?)

Re:Annoying installer (2, Insightful)

daviddennis (10926) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930598)

A Mac Mini is $499, so does this mean you wouldn't switch unless Apple paid you for it?

(I know it's not $499 because of the extras you have to buy, but I'm betting you have a keyboard, mouse and monitor lying around).

D

Re:Annoying installer (1)

kevmo (243736) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930635)

I would like to see you play Battlefield 2 on a Mac Mini (if it were released for Macs).

Or better yet, watch you sit around and wait for 2 million lines of code to compile on a Mac Mini.

Or, do anything computationally expensive. 1.25 GHz, 256MB of RAM, and an ATI Radeon 9200 just doesn't cut it for me. My 4 year old laptop beats those specs.

Re:Annoying installer (2, Informative)

peterjhill2002 (578023) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930627)

If you drop the price of the Mac Mini $500, you get a free computer... Sure it needs more ram, but as an owner, it is a nice little machine...

Lower the price of a 12inch powerbook $1000 and you have a free laptop...

Are you a student? They have nice student discounts that are super easy to get.

Re:Annoying installer (1)

Deekin_Scalesinger (755062) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930630)

I'd like to see the Mac box that does justice to BF2. If you can point it to me, I'll give Apple a more serious look (and yes I know that is it not ported as of yet, but a box that SHOULD run it well enough will do).

Re:Annoying installer (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12930679)

(Don't get me wrong, I still like iTunes, it just seems very unpolished in Windows).

I think that may be by design, to get you to "switch".

I agree. I think one of the biggest missing features with iTunes in windows is that iTunes does not display the current song name in the taskbar. This means that every time you want to check what song is being played you have to switch to the program. This would be a very easy problem to fix, and I couldn't figure why they hadn't done it yet, then I realised that, of course, they don't really care because there is no similar taskbar in OS X where this would be useful.

Re:Annoying installer (0)

MarsDude (74832) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930497)

"Is anyone else annoyed that their is no real Windows "updater" for iTunes"

Hey... stop complaining !! For Linux there isn't even an installer !!!!

Re:Annoying installer (2, Funny)

caino59 (313096) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930746)

*cough*

apt-get ;o)

Re:Annoying installer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12930506)

Agreed. It's almost as bad as AOL Instant Messaging. It takes several minutes to clean up after the installer.

Re:Annoying installer (1)

PygmySurfer (442860) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930535)

I was wondering this also. After installing iTunes, the installer calls the QuickTime installer - I already have QuickTime installed from the old version of iTunes. It'd be nice if they at least packaged them separately.

Re:Annoying installer (1)

cmorgan47 (720310) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930594)

no.

we all have macs.

Re:Annoying installer (1)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930613)

NEVER had iTunes upgrades on Windows clobber my quicktime prefs....EVER. In fact, just finsihed installing 4.9 on my laptop. No goofy Quicktime icon in my tray....like I like it.

Re:Annoying installer (0, Flamebait)

natrius (642724) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930672)

Is anyone else annoyed that their is no real Windows "updater" for iTunes, and each update basically requires iTunes to reinstall, sometimes clobbering my settings that tell Quicktime to stop bothering me?

You mean you can't just apt-get install itunes?

Oh wait... neither can I. But apt-get install pymusique is even better.

Re:Annoying installer (1)

MidnightBrewer (97195) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930687)

I have the same feeling towards Windows Media Player for OSX, so don't feel bad. At least you're not perpetually a full version behind. Perhaps it's just the balance of the universe being maintained. Tell you what: ou work on Microsoft, I'll work on Apple. :)

Bring iTunes to whole Europe, bastards. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12930462)

i am still forced to download music illegally!

Re:Bring iTunes to whole Europe, bastards. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12930610)

>> i am still forced to download music illegally!

Yes, I was forced to rape a woman yesterday. Damn.

What's with the dept line...? (5, Insightful)

chota (577760) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930463)

from the waste-of-bandwidth-and-time dept.

Ouch!

Can someone explain why this is a waste of bandwidth and time? Wouldn't a major company with a massive userbase supporting podcasting actually help the genre?

Also, since (presumably) Rob hasn't actually *tried* the software, isn't judging it a little harsh?

Re:What's with the dept line...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12930724)

Have you not noticed that he is in fact an apple fanboy constantly posting slashvertisements for apple?

Re:What's with the dept line...? (1)

ShadeARG (306487) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930733)

Because podcasts are audio blogs. I don't think it's anything personal about Apple that sparked it, just the usual stereotypical hatred towards blogs in general. The funny thing is that Slashdot is a blog itself. A waste-of-bandwidth-and-time indeed...

What about advanced configuration? (1, Informative)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930465)

Has the "advanced configuration" also been revamped? You see, in the previous versions, what was available in the advanced options was just an option of choosing what columns are displayed! This to me, was a non-starter.

Re:What about advanced configuration? (3, Interesting)

Formula420 (836234) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930735)

You may be thinking of the "View Options" selection, as that only lets you select what columns are displayed. If you click "Preferences" then you can change things like Audio options, CD Burning, and Sharing support.

WTF is Podcasting? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12930467)

WTF is Podcasting?

Podcasting mainstream? (3, Insightful)

grqb (410789) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930475)

We'll see if this makes podcasting more mainstream. From what I've heard apple seems to be fairly committed to podcast support in iTunes, they've been consulting with some of the podcasting community so they obviously feel that podcasting is on the up-and-up.

They must envision an economic model for podcasting one day, similar to their iTunes store I'm guessing, it'll be interesting to see how this develops.

Re:Podcasting mainstream? (4, Interesting)

Chyeburashka (122715) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930640)

When Rush Limbaugh [rushlimbaugh.com] is available via podcasting, it's mainstream. Regardless of your opinion of Rush, he's staying up with technology.

I just updated to iTunes 4.9, so I guess it's time to run out and get my first iPod. So many choices, but it looks like the $299 new color iPod will be the one I'll get.

Re:Podcasting mainstream? (1)

mitchell_pgh (536538) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930654)

Naturally Apple would want to support Podcasting to the fullest. Basically it ties more people to the iPod [which is good for Apple].

Apple has a nack for bringing cutting edge technologies to the average person. They have done it once again. I could teach someone how to get a podcase in about 10 minutes.

For the cost of a new feature, they get to add a considerable amount of free content to their library of offerings. I'm sure many consumers will view these as Apple's Podcasts.

Re:Podcasting mainstream? (1)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930671)

Of course. It helps them sell iPods. So far I am liking it. Ony one quibble...no way that I have seen to MANUALLY add a feed. If the iTMS does not have it in it's directory, then you can't add it.

Podcasting (1)

Digital Warfare (746982) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930476)

What do I benefit from ? I have never really understood it.

iTunes release once again breaks fairkeys (2, Funny)

jambarama (784670) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930491)

Sadly this release once again breaks fairkeys and DeDRMS [nanocrew.net] by Jon Lech Johanson. And with him employed by Apple now, he can't re-break them because it would be divulging a trade secret.

It is legal to reverse engineer for compatibility if you don't have inside information. It is not ok if you do. It is sad, but a good move for Apple.

RIP DRM Free iTunes, Viva allofmp3 . [allofmp3.com]

Re:iTunes release once again breaks fairkeys (1)

GauteL (29207) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930589)

Johanson AFAIK always got too much credit for these cracks. He was just the frontman for a larger group of crackers.

Re:iTunes release once again breaks fairkeys (4, Funny)

jambarama (784670) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930608)

News of his employment here [slashdot.org]

Re:iTunes release once again breaks fairkeys (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12930666)

Of course, the relevant part of the linked article is the last line: "Hahahaha Gotcha 1st April"

Re:iTunes release once again breaks fairkeys (1)

hauk (698641) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930622)

And with him employed by Apple now
What!? You must be kidding? URL?

Re:iTunes release once again breaks fairkeys (1)

PinkX (607183) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930624)

Employed by Apple? Since when? Did I miss something? His blog doesn't seems to make mention of it anywhere...

Re:iTunes release once again breaks fairkeys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12930644)

linky [slashdot.org]

Re:iTunes release once again breaks fairkeys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12930657)

That was an april fools joke. Jon isn't employed by Apple. Are you kidding me?

Playing with it for a few minutes (4, Informative)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930501)

The Good:

Rather nicely done. A good interface, the search function works, and the display is very iTunes-ish - to be honest, better than using iPodderX or NetNewsWire to import the songs, and you can add in custom feeds.

I like the ability to tell it "Keep the most recent X and dump the rest" - for news based Podcasts, I usually have to do that manually with listened ones. Now, once I listen to it, it will automatically be taken out. Sweet.

The Bad:

No built in support for turning MP3 to bookmarkable AAC's. I don't see any kind of support for video podcasts (such as Rocketboom, which is odd since iPodderX can export the videos to iTunes, perhaps in support for a (someday) future video iPod).

Otherwise, it's a nice addition, and it's going to be interesting to see where it goes. Kudos to Apple for getting it - now let's see how long it takes the Napster and Rhapsody folks to catch on ;).

Re:Playing with it for a few minutes: Videos? (1)

swissfondue (819240) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930580)

I agree with the lack of built-in support for turning MP3 to bookmarkable. I'll keep using iPodderx for the moment. Regarding your remark "I don't see any kind of support for video podcasts ", macbidouille.com http://www.macbidouille.com/niouzcontenu.php?date= 2005-06-28#11209 [macbidouille.com] mentions that iTunes 4.9 has a reference to "VideosParty". Maybe this will be in release 5.0?

Re:Playing with it for a few minutes (1)

Zane Edwards (562074) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930625)

I actually have the video icon showing for a video (in feast of fools), but it does not play it, only the audio.

Re:Playing with it for a few minutes (1)

myspys (204685) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930663)

now let's see how long it takes the Napster and Rhapsody folks to catch on

or for that matter windows media player / msn music ;)

Make bookmarkable workaround (4, Informative)

mccalli (323026) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930713)

No built in support for turning MP3 to bookmarkable AAC's.

A workaround for now (on OS X):

  1. Set your importing preferences to AAC
  2. Install this Make Bookmarable [dougscripts.com] Applescript
  3. Select the MP3, go to Advanced->Convert to AAC
  4. Select the newly-created AAC, run the Make Bookmarkable script on it
Finished, and you only need to do steps 1 and 2 the once, of course. I've been using this to convert BBC radio captures to bookmarkable AAC for a while (workflow: Tivo->MP3->bookmarkable AAC).

would agree that making an AAC bookmarkable could do with being integrated into the main interface though.

Cheers,
Ian

Re:Playing with it for a few minutes (1)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930729)

Side note: turns out you can get Rocketboom, but I had to add it through the iTunes Store interface, not just cut 'n paste the RSS feed I had in iPodderX. I'm willing to bet most of the comments I got are about that ;).

One other thing: Now, if Apple will just add in support for multiple users on iTunes, so I can log into the computer and have the same library as my wife when she logs in, and so on. I know there are some hacks, but it doesn't sync up all that well I've found unless you have one dedicated "music" user.

Re:Playing with it for a few minutes (1)

blibbler (15793) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930751)

In a quick test, it seemed like all podcasts were automatically treated as bookmarkable. I haven't tested to see whether this transfers to the ipod or not.

TWIT Podcast (1)

skarps (688370) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930507)

Anyone that hasn't already should check out Leo Leportes podcast called TWIT. It is a group of former "The Screen Savers" employees that do a weekly podcast for all the geeks out there.

I just installed 4.9 on my mac (4, Funny)

pHatidic (163975) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930537)

It feels way snappier than the last release.

Apple Getting Dumped By IBM (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12930546)

Apple getting dumped by IBM is going to put a quick end to the iPod fad.

In a year Apple is going to be struggling to survive as just another overpriced x86 OEM. Media companies know this, are going to start distancing themselves quietly and looking for new partners to take Apple place over the next year or two as revenues/profits start to dry up.

It was fun while it lasted, but Steve's tempertantrum/unwillingness to pay for a mobile PPC chip is going to be the death of the company over the next couple of years.

Re:Apple Getting Dumped By IBM (4, Funny)

repetty (260322) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930641)

>> Apple getting dumped by IBM is going to put a quick end to the iPod fad.

Put the drugs down and back away slowly....

Re:Apple Getting Dumped By IBM (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12930715)

"Put the drugs down and back away slowly...."

Wait!

Let me guess...

You are one of the poor fucks who believes:

1) Jobs was pissed that IBM 'couldn't' deliever a G5 laptop chip

2) Jobs 'decided' to go with Intel 'to enable' 'cheap' and 'fast' Mac systems

3) 1) & 2) Are true because 'Jobs said so' at the keynote

Get a fucking clue clown.

Re:Apple Getting Dumped By IBM (-1, Troll)

TimTheFoolMan (656432) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930739)

4) One of those morons who thinks that the success of the iPod/iTunes is completely unrelated to anything between IBM/Apple or the Mac processor architecture

How naive for him to think that.

Tim

Re:Apple Getting Dumped By IBM (2, Funny)

beeshman (672044) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930718)

This [eweek.com] time [mikesejournal.com] for [macobserver.com] sure... [jupiterresearch.com] Presto! [jerrykindall.com] (About 16,600 English pages for apple's demise death with Safesearch on via Google.)

Here we go again...

Re:Apple Getting Dumped By IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12930782)

Uh, gee, thanks for the random links.

Too bad you didn't bother to link to any of the juicy quotes from the IBM people talking about why they decided Apple was no longer worth the trouble for such a tiny number of chips sold per year - something like %4 of just the Fishkill plant.

Apple may or may not be dead, but they did have the rug pulled out from under them by IBM. One would have to be foaming at the mouth Apple fanatic to not have come to terms with that fact by now.

If someone at Apple tells you they are excited about the move to Intel x86, they are doing a great job of lying...

Re:Apple Getting Dumped By IBM (2, Interesting)

lp-habu (734825) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930755)

Apple getting dumped by IBM is going to put a quick end to the iPod fad.

In a year Apple is going to be struggling to survive as just another overpriced x86 OEM. Media companies know this, are going to start distancing themselves quietly and looking for new partners to take Apple place over the next year or two as revenues/profits start to dry up.

It was fun while it lasted, but Steve's tempertantrum/unwillingness to pay for a mobile PPC chip is going to be the death of the company over the next couple of years.

Care to wager a beer on any of that that?

Gnomedex and the pod father (4, Interesting)

Ghost-in-the-shell (103736) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930558)


Adam Curry (yes that guy from MTV) is the father of Podcasting and as such he gave the keynote speech at Gnomedex this past weekend. The full keynote is also one of his many podcasts.

(Ok, if you don't know a podcast is basically an audio file. The term originates from the idea of Broadcasting and the iPod. The idea is take your content with you and listen when you want. The CBC has some of their radio content available as a podcast. So the concept is catching on!)

This keynote is well worth the listen. It is motivational, and it is focused. Users demand content and they don't care how the delivery method works (ATOM, RSS, etc). For the rest of the speech, go over to Adam's [curry.com] site for a link to the audio file. Listen, enjoy, and think about what he has to say.

hm (4, Insightful)

speel3k (793160) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930574)

This is what i love about apple. They see the customers need and they execute simple as that.

Re:hm (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930615)

This is what i love about apple. They see the customers need and they execute simple as that.

When Microsoft does this (comes late to the game with a rip-off entrant that brutalizes a small [sourceforge.net] -guy [konfabulator.com] innovator) they tend not to be viewed as kindly.

Re:hm (1)

TylerL82 (617087) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930632)

Why would they execute customers they need?
Seems rather violent. And not in the shareholders' best interests.

Also an iPod update (4, Informative)

generic-man (33649) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930575)

I'm also downloading a new iPod updater [apple.com] which is supposed to add Podcast support to "iPod with color display," "iPod with Click Wheel," and "iPod mini." Looks like the 3G series has reached its end-of-life as far as support goes.

Re:Also an iPod update (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12930757)

Yes, because podcasting didn't work before Apple decided to support it... *rolls eyes*

slick, but: (4, Insightful)

jeffehobbs (419930) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930593)

I think, technically speaking, it's as good an implementation as you're likely to see for a while.

The only missed opportunity from my perspective is the lack of some peer-to-peer method of distribution of the podcasts. That would be awfully nice. As it is, if your podcast gets popular, you're going to have to contend with a hefty bandwidth fee, which leaves at least a vestige of the old-media power structure in place; those who have the bucks control the means of distribution. With a stripped-down BitTorrent or even a Gnutella-style "swarm" distribution model, your listeners could actually distribute your podcasts for you; truly listener-supported public radio.

Otherwise, good stuff. More nice work by the iTunes team.

~jeff

I only downloaded 4.8 yesterday (1)

Pop69 (700500) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930599)

This is getting worse than trying to track a Gnome library ;-)

IPOD UPDATE (5, Informative)

the_unknown_soldier (675161) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930603)

Perhaps more interesting.. there is also an ipod update available!

http://www.apple.com/ipod/download/

This means that your podcasts will FINALLY be organised on your ipod, and your ipod will treat it like an audio book: press pause, come back later and it remembers where you are!

Re:IPOD UPDATE (3, Informative)

zaren (204877) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930698)

Also, there's been some bumping going on it the iPod line - all full-size iPods are now photo capable, you now have a choice of a 20 or 60 gig iPod (nee Photo), and the 1 gig Shuffle got a $20 price cut.

Question re. iTunes (1)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930605)

Quite a few people have complained about the lack of functionality of iTunes and I've noticed that it can be accessed using the SDK provided by Apple.

Short of the vbs examples that Apple provide, does anyone know of any decent links/documentation on accessing and manipulating track data using Visual Basic?

With this kind of information, accessing and manipulating the music files would be easier and allow of a greater range of functionality outside of iTunes, the advantage of VB would that a basic frontend could be knocked up in a couple of hours - but there doesn't seem to be much help out there.

Any suggestions?

Re:Question re. iTunes (2, Informative)

Darth Maul (19860) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930706)

Well, on the Mac, you're supposed to use AppleScript to work with iTunes. I wrote a little podcast aggregator using Cocoa and it uses AppleScript to interface with iTunes to add/delete tracks and manage a Podcast playlist. Quite easy. XCode makes Mac development really easy.

Yay! For us anyway (1)

Iriel (810009) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930616)

I think this is absolutely zippy. Though what I have to wonder about is this: Isn't Apple going through/finishing a patent violation suit already? I've heard of a few cases attempting to get their way into the courts for podcasts' ability to distribute copyrighted material (see also: BetaMAX circa-way too damn long ago for this to still be an issue). I wonder if anyone will try to raise hell against Apple for 'built in piracy abilities'

I realize that such claims may not always be legitimate, but neither are half of the lawsuits out there. Stride confidently, but still carry a big stick.

But until any of that mess ever happens (if it ever does) I'm happy with this. It's one more integrated media component until mac releases its intel machines, and I'll get one of those :)

Re:Yay! For us anyway (1)

Paladin_VT (895429) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930744)

Apple is well within the rule from Sony and outside the new rule announced in Grokster yesterday. Someone would have to prove that Apple is inducing people to violate copyright and with the iTunes service being a pay service, It seems like Apple would have a heck of an affirmative defense to that one. Any suit against Apple on this is likely to get bounced on a 12(b)(6) or on summary judgment.

Interface Woes (1)

ytsejam-ppc (134620) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930623)

The podcasting support in iTunes is awesome. The only real issue I have with it is the inability to navigate through the directory like you can with the regular music library. For example, when you choose the topic "Technology", you get into the full 3 pane browse view, where you can't go back to the main page through their breadcrumb-button feature. Once they get the navigation ironed out, this is going to be really nice. I've already downloaded a metric assload of podcasts, and am contentedly listening to them right now.

UI is a mess though (3, Insightful)

JeFurry (75785) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930626)

Unfortunately, and unusually for Apple, some of the changes to the iTunes user interface are somewhat confusing.
  • Going to a category subsection of the podcast list on the iTunes Music Store results in a browser window that lists genres, yet clicking any genre goes back to music listings, without any way to return. Podcast genres are in fact listed under the "Artist" column, and podcast titles under "Album".
  • There is now a subgenre column in the iTMS browser, which could be helpful if I could find any way to read or set the subgenres of music I already own.
  • The "All" item sometimes disappears from the top of the Artist column, meaning that you have to change genre/subgenre in order to change artist.
  • There are "[x>" icons beside some podcasts which aren't explained (though they could just be part of the feed name).
iPod/iTunes's strength is partly in its simplicity - it's a good app for many people's music archival and retrieval needs. Perhaps it's being pushed to do too much? Some of the recent additions such as photo browsing (which can't be anything but mediocre on a 2" screen) and the new podcasting facilities might be better suited to a different GUI rather than being shoehorned into the existing ones. I love the idea of Podcasting in iTunes, but it's different enough from album browsing to warrant a bit more GUI work.

I felt the same way about MacOS X Tiger's slightly premature release - although it was quickly improved with updates, the "release as beta, fix afterwards" approach is one I'd come to expect more from one of Apple's chief competitors. I hope Apple don't continue down this path - their software has often been a comparative joy to use, and these annoyances reduce that enjoyment.

Re:UI is a mess though (1)

JeFurry (75785) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930651)

I should add, the above issues were noticed on the Mac version - I haven't had time to examine the Windows version yet.

Prompted by BadFruit's BadApple? (5, Interesting)

Webs 101 (798265) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930629)

From the latest Netsurfer Digest:

BadApple Plug-in for iTunes Podcasts

At some point, Apple is going to add explicit support for podcasts to iTunes. Podcasts are really only long, often dull sound files, the 21st century equivalent of talk radio on cassette. Still, it's a fad, and since iTunes lets you look you for streaming broadcasts, why not podcasts, too? At least, so think the anonymous folks behind BadFruit, an outfit that just released the BadApple iTunes plug-in, ironically for the Windows version of iTunes only. The plug-in adds another link, called Podcasts, to the main iTunes window. Click on the link and you get a list of podcast categories. Drill down to download specific podcasts in iTunes and use them as you would any other iTunes sound file. BadApple claims to be pre-emptive insurance against any potential limitations Apple may place on the podcasts it may offer in future versions of iTunes. CNET speculates that MP3.com founder Michael Robertson, who now has a new site called MP3Tunes.com, is the anonymous author of BadFruit.
BadFruit: http://www.badfruit.com/ [badfruit.com]
CNET: http://news.com.com/2100-1027_3-5754227.html [com.com]
MP3Tunes.com: http://www.mp3tunes.com/ [mp3tunes.com]

hot? luke warm maybe... (1)

nuggetman (242645) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930661)

hot on the heels? 4.8 was released months ago

Wow! (1)

ditangquan (526554) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930675)

Just downloaded iTunes 4.9 to this 1999 iMac running OS X Panther and it now streams podcasts to my 1995 (Cassette only) Bose box connected with an Airport Express w/Airtunes. Amazing what you can do with Apple's software on ooooold equipment and get amazing sound quality. Now all I need is to set up a scheduler to run iTunes to wake me up in the morning with some snazzy new podcasts. This is good stuff, and the quality and functionality are impressive. Talk about breathing new life into old equipment. Yeah, the old iMac is pretty much just for (safe) web browsing and an incredibly good iTunes interface. Old iMac's are sweet deal for $100.

It's a Software Update for Mac users (1)

netringer (319831) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930690)

Mac OS X users can get the new version of iTunes quick an' easy though Software Update on the system Preferences Panel, along with a corresponding update for the iPod, if needed.

iPod updates: no hardware support for podcasting? (2, Interesting)

swissfondue (819240) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930699)

Looks as if we will continue to need to use 3G iPod-Linux for recording audio at anything higher than 8kHz

Why so hot on the heels of 4.8? (1)

-Harlequin- (169395) | more than 9 years ago | (#12930711)

Not an itunes user, just vaguely curious why Apple is releasing updates in quick succession. Is it a quick succession of Incredible New Features, or more of a quick succession to break 3rd party software compatibility, or a quick succession of bug fixes, or was "hot on the heels" something of an exaggeration, or did they just happen to release 4.8 and 4.9 quickly for no reason other than that's how it happened?

Ipod Update (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12930743)

So does the Ipod update fix the chkdsk/firmware update failure error you can get if the ipod (mini) goes into a deep sleep? I spent all weekend fixing it. I had to reformat my ipod 5 times because I get getting errors in the middle saying it would not format. even the empty/single file playlist trick doesn't help.
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