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50Mbps Cable Launched on Long Island

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the zippy dept.

Communications 291

the-dark-kangaroo writes "Cable Vision have teamed up with Narad Networks to provide a new 50Mbps broadband service in the New York metropolitan area. The current deployment has a capability of 100Mbps (the connections are symmetric) with future developments allowing up to 10Gbps connections. The system utilises current cabling systems allowing enterprise level connections to homes and businesses."

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291 comments

They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (5, Interesting)

DosBubba (766897) | more than 9 years ago | (#12936960)

OptimumOnline caps their customer's upload throughput at 150kbit/s for uploading "too much". They don't even tell you what "too much" is. Their normal caps are rather generous at 10mbit/1mbit, but what's the point if you can't actually use it?

Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12936984)

Mod parent way, way up. OptOnline is "100x" the speed of dialup only if you use it to check your email.

I cant wait for Verizon FIOS just so I can tell my cable company to choke.

Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (1)

tarquin_fim_bim (649994) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937006)

A bit like saying you have thousands of nuclear warheads, scares the shit out of the opposition.

Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (1, Troll)

DigitalTechnic (822530) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937064)

First off OOL is a totally different service than this so why are you even bringing it up? Second, now that you brought OOL I think i'll correct you. "too much" is a bunch of bs. People who get capped are those abusing the TOS(if you read it you'll see any abuse is not tolerated). And isn't it ironic that only the people getting capped for abusing are warez homos. I say i'm glad they're getting capped. I've had my OOL connection for 5 years and not once i've been capped and I use my bandwidth as much as I want. People who abuse deserve to be capped. So your comment is wrong to some degree. Unless of course "too much" was other words for "abusers"

Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937108)

At least I read the AUP before I buy services, people who don't, shouldn't whine that they're an idiot.

Anyway, running any kind of server is prohibited on residential OOL, so I suspect some number of capped people are people running their own website, not people running kazaa.

Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937191)

I read the AUP
I don't believe I violated it.
it's not the "no servers" clause they use to justify capping, It is much more ambiguous and they refused to talk to me about it. ( won't even give me a idea what the limits are )
I was capped using only BT sharing LEGAL content with the upstream limit set at 1/3 the line max. ( 33Kbbs)
and to get uncapped you have to wait till they grace you with the call back where they scold you about the dangers of P2P. Does p2p violate the AUP??.. I couldn't' get a clear answer.

Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937186)

People who download linux cds over bittorrent are warez homos? I had my uploads capped just for that.

Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (2, Interesting)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937190)

First off OOL is a totally different service than this so why are you even bringing it up?

I don't live in an OOL area, but pulling up the optimumonline website, I see that its run by CableVision. Do you have any reason to believe that this CableVision network will behave in a significantly different fashion?

Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (2, Informative)

DosBubba (766897) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937192)

I do not have a problem with OOL capping their users. What I do have a problem with is making the limits invisible.

I have some relatives up in the New Jersey area. They generally run Bit Torrent all night, at a full 100Kbps (On non-standard ports). The one time they upload some pictures to one of my servers via FTP on port 20, they get capped. I'm agreeing with the Anonymous Coward here, OOL's capping system seems to be designed for preventing users from running servers.

I will give OOL this though, uncapping is a painless procedure.

Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (1)

j35ter (895427) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937215)

May you be slashdotted....amen!

Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (1)

nolife (233813) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937449)

How do you connect abusing the TOS with warez homos? Are they monitoring packets and realize your downloading copyrighted software?

People who abuse deserve to be capped.
Define abuse. If you do, that would be a definition that OOL does not provide to anyone. That in itself is the problem. From what I;ve read, I've drawn the conclusion they cap the highest bandwidth users that has no relevance to the TOS or warez. Without defining what "too much" really is.

DSLreports is full of OOL capping incedents [broadbandreports.com] . You can draw your own theory on why they are getting capped.

The argument should be, what is unlimited and why is unlimited advertised but then limited provided.

Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937132)

  • they won't tell you the limits
  • they draw the conclusion that uploading == p2p == piracy
  • they tell you that p2p is unsafe because it will give you viruses
  • and they DENY that the fact that several of my neighbors have the Optonline phone could have anything to do with why I have been CAPPED TWICE.
  • and thanks to the supreme court, I will NEVER have a choice for high speed access.
They want me to use the Internet like it was a shopping channel. minimal demands and don't ever actually use all this speed that they hype up.

they don't understand the idea of a "network" ( ie two way communication)

I see no point in letting them boast about hight speed connections unless they acutely let people use it.

Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937286)

I see no point in letting them boast about hight speed connections unless they acutely let people use it

Of course they will let you use it.
Just ask their sales representative about moving to premium residential or business class service. Entry level here is $60/mo.

Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (1)

bedroll (806612) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937367)

Bah. It's usable. I use it every day, and I do upload stuff. I've been capped once, but that was because I downloaded 3GB of OGG files from home to work, at a sustained 0.5mbit (limited more by my company's T-1 being used than my connection). I leave my server connected 24/7, and have very little downtime with my connection.

If you want to complain, you should complain about their port-blocking of 80 and 25. If you want to run a webserver it either must be on a non-standard port or HTTPS. I run mine on 90.

For the record, though, at least it's better than RoadRunner. They cap their upstream lower all the time, and if you have too much downstream traffic they'll switch you over to a business account or disconnect you. It happened to a friend of mine in Ohio.

Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (1)

duckworth (71247) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937380)

Great, now they can cap your connection 5 times faster. I downloaded a Suse dvd iso via bittorrent and the next week my outbound connection was capped to barely faster than dial up speed. Then you have to go through this whole game of checking all of your equiptment and connections, etc. Next, you wait to be called by a supervisor who scolds you like a child and tells you that you must be doing something bad like like "sharing files". If you have to upload something, then you should do it in small bursts no longer than 20 minutes long every few hours. When you ask to be upgraded to better service, even willing to pay more money, they don't offer any package and even their business class service won't promise you anything.

I had severe packet loss documented for over 4 months and my connection would come to a crawl. After 3 visits from technisions and 2 visits from field technicians, replacing all my equiptment, and re-wiring all the way up to the next tap, they refused to admit that the node was over-saturated or just plain broken.

I moved to DSL which is signicantly slower but it is much more reliable and at least I know exactly what I am getting for my money.

What good is such promised bandwidth when you have to leave in fear of using it?

Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (2, Informative)

bedroll (806612) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937450)

Your packet loss issues sound familiar to me. When I was living in the next town over it seemed that there was either faulty equipment or the network in that area was oversold. Either way, the net effect was that I had a lot of packet loss issues and I was disconnected every couple of hours. Every time I was disconnected the only way the help-desk could get me reconnected was to have me hard-boot the modem (unplug it and plug it back in, no power switch). Several calls didn't fix this issue.

What did fix the issue was moving. When I came to my present residence I found a faster and more reliable network waiting. I've had zero problems, even though I'm using the exact same setup as before.

The point is, OO's network seems to be hit and miss depending on the neighborhood.

Sounds cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12936969)

Lets hope they do St. Louis next!

(hint: I live there)

Re:Sounds cool (1)

trelanexiph (605826) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937013)

tactical nukes are on their way, merely as a customer service feature you understand. Please have a nice day.

very nice (2, Insightful)

spyder913 (448266) | more than 9 years ago | (#12936971)

especially the part about the symetric connections. I'd be happy to get 5M upload at the moment.

PRON!!! (-1, Offtopic)

brxndxn (461473) | more than 9 years ago | (#12936972)

{FIRST PORN JOKE}

As much as Long Island sucks... (5, Interesting)

nokilli (759129) | more than 9 years ago | (#12936976)

...I gotta say, 50Mbps broadband would be enough to entice me to return. I'd like to run a Freenet node, but only if I had big bandwidth upstream. 50Mbps is _big_ bandwidth, and it's symmetrical.

With all the fear and loathing over p2p, I'm surprised to see that they're allowing high-speed symmetrical connections like this. I was fully expecting 50Mbps down/16Kbps up, or something similarly retarded.

And what does this do to hosting providers like serverbeach? That 50Mbps is going to be unmetered, right? So the game server, your new pay-per-view pr0n site, and the blog all get hosted at home on the Mac Mini. Wow.

And no, it's not flamebait about Long Island. People who live there know what I'm talking about. It's the traffic. You have to drive to get anywhere and even a simple trip to the grocery store and back can make you go insane. To say nothing of commuting. And if you're actually commuting to Manhattan and back, I only have two words for you: hard drugs.

Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12936995)

Freenet? So that you can trade child porn without repercussions?

Thought so.

I'll bet you use Linux too.

Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (4, Insightful)

nokilli (759129) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937068)

Damn man, it's like the NSA has a whole room full of GS-7 retards whose sole job it is to spam refresh /. looking for the word freenet in a race to get the first post in that libels the protocol and all who use it as child molesters.

In case you haven't noticed, there are all kinds of prohibited bits and bytes out there today. Moreover, just because the data is legal doesn't mean I want GS-7 scumbags to be looking at what I read and write.

So...

Fuck you.

Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937096)

May I refer you to the Freenet FAQ, Mr. Child Molestor?

Q: I don't want my node to be used to harbor child porn, offensive content or terrorism. What can I do?

A: The true test of someone who claims to believe in Freedom of Speech is whether they tolerate speech which they disagree with, or even find disgusting. If this is not acceptable to you, you should not run a Freenet node.

There are some pretty big and mighty words there. To anyone who hasn't been blinded by government-paranoia and GNU love, that basically says "We don't find anything wrong with that content, as it is an expression of freedom, so if you find it offensive it's because you're against true freedom". Right, I'm against true freedom because I disagree with the sexual abuse and exploitation of children.

MMMMMhmmmm ...

You may resume trading now.

Not as simple... (1)

PaulBu (473180) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937126)

that basically says "We don't find anything wrong with that content"...

except that they might think that it is the speech that "... they disagree with, or even find disgusting"

Paul B.

Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (5, Insightful)

nokilli (759129) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937152)

You may resume trading now.
If freedom freaks you nazis out so much, why don't you all do the goosestep into some other country that thinks the way you do?

Like North Korea or Saudi Arabia.

I suppose next you'll want to ban digital cameras. What? No? Don't you know they can be used to produce child pornography? You support child porn!

Damn, I'm looking at my monitor and do you know what? It can be used to view child porn! Must. Destroy. It. Immediately.

My eyes, they can see! But that means, they can be used to look at child pornography! Somebody blind me quick!

Where do we get these fucking retards from?

Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937209)

Does your monitor or digital camera have a link straight off one of the homepages provided by freenet to child porn?

I didn't think so.

Sorry, but Freenet is an absolutely disgusting place. I did actually think that people saying it was so easy to acquire child porn were hyping it up until I installed it myself and seen dozens of links to what I assume are extremely disgusting freenet sites...

Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (5, Funny)

nokilli (759129) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937249)

Freenet [sourceforge.net] .

Oooooh, look everybody, /. has a link to Freenet (which has a link to some page (which has a link to some other page, which might possibly link to child porn)).

Not only that, OSTG actually *hosts* freenet.

Gotta be a special place in hell for doing that!

And just to be sure we don't forget about Google, you can use Google to find Freenet, so then, Google can be used to find child porn too!

What makes these links possible? THE INTERNET! THE INTERNET IS ENABLING CHILD PORN SOMEBODY MOD IT DOWN QUICK!!!

lol

Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937403)

Where do we get these fucking retards from?

I think it's called inbreeding, and a combination of unnatural selection, whereby the people with the smallest brains and biggest muscles could still rape the chick, and kill the smart guy, because they had access to the guns/knives etc.

Seriously, they think making a law that makes child porn illegal PROTECTS children.. From what? the naked body god gave them when they were born? from the person who BROKE THE LAW the idiots put in place to protect the children when they decided to take/look at child porn? retards all of them..
if you want to look at a system that works, consider countries where child porn isn't 'illegal' like japan, for instance. why isn't it illegal? because it's stupid to try and protect kids by making kiddie porn illegal. It doesn't make would be child rapists less likely to comit acts, but rather it would make them more wary of police efforts to stop them from actually HARMING children. child rape is illegal in japan, depictions of naked kids aren't. so instead of trying to police everyone into the same stupid standard cops can actually PROTECT the KIDS.

Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937167)

Right, I'm against true freedom because I --...

WHAT WHAT WHAT?! You're against freedom!? THE UNITED STATES WAS BASED ON FREEDOM! Why don't you move back in time to fucking Soviet Russia! Or go die of the plague in Cuba in a pile in donkey shit you fuckwad!

You don't even realize what your forefathers -- LIKE JESUS -- had to go through to get you that freedom, you arrogant little pissant!

Don't you get it? The terrorists are out to destroy our way of life! If you say that about freedom, they've already won!

You're just like one of them, you terrorist! You want to BOMB ALL OUR CHILDREN TO DEATH! I bet *you're* the real molester, trying to confuse the rest of us God-fearing patriots.

</satire>

See? I, too, can blow the topic completely out of proportion, Mr. Coward.

Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (2, Informative)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937263)

Those are some pretty big and mighty words there.

Since it's apparent that you don't understand how it works, I'll let you know that blocks that aren't requested don't propagate and are eventually dropped. I can run a freenet node fully content in the knowlege that unless the billion people in China are suddenly all pedophiles, the Chinese blocks are statistically more likely to exist than the child porn blocks.

So, what Chinese Blog [freenet-china.org] have you hosted recently? What's that? You're not doing your part to clean freenet of child porn?

MMMMhmmmm...

Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937051)

Looking at another comment, it appears they cap upload to 150kbit if you upload "too much".

Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (1)

Widowwolf (779548) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937059)

Yeah why is this never in calipornia?(yeah thats supposed to be a p)..hell we even had strippers and hookersrunning for our governorship..i vote to change the name!

I know, I was there during that election. (1)

infonography (566403) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937128)

and one of the hookers won.

Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (4, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937104)

And if you're actually commuting to Manhattan and back, I only have two words for you: hard drugs.

There are other things you can buy in Manhattan, you know!

TCP/IP class 101 in session (2, Informative)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937241)

You couldn't have 50Mbit down, 16Kbit up. You need enough upstream in order to send acknowledgement packets, not only on the TCP level but on the application level if so required (which often is.) With 16kBit, you might be able to reach 384Kbit downstream. MAYBE.

When my cable went to 4Mbit, they increased the upstream to 512Kbit. When I'm downloading at a full 4Mbit via http, I'm almost completely saturating the 512Kbit upstream. So they didn't increase my upstream because they were just feeling nice, they did it because they had to, so the downstream would scale upwards.

If it were really 50Mbit downstream, they'd need to give something like 8Mbit up, or at the very least 4. Unless, of course, it's just a marketing gimmick and they're using the lack of upstream to effectively cap the downstream where they want it.

it's Cablevision not Cable Vision. (1)

fribhey (731586) | more than 9 years ago | (#12936980)

it's Cablevision not Cable Vision.

Re:it's Cablevision not Cable Vision. (1)

tarquin_fim_bim (649994) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937071)

Oh shit, I just bought shares in the wrong company.

Awesome! (1)

lullabud (679893) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937310)

Someobdy has purchased shares of my new EyeSocket Cable Vision technology which allows you to plug ethernet into your face and see out of other people's switches, hubs!

It's the beginning... (4, Insightful)

intmainvoid (109559) | more than 9 years ago | (#12936981)

Video on demand over ip, here we come.

Re:It's the beginning... (1)

Hack Jandy (781503) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937188)

It's called IPTV. HJ

of the end. (1)

MacDork (560499) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937453)

Why now? Oh yeah, the Supreme Court just ruled they aren't common carriers. [slashdot.org] Enjoy being fed high bandwidth their way.

THIS IS NOT FAIR (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12936983)

Why won't anyone LISTEN to me?

Re:THIS IS NOT FAIR (5, Interesting)

muszek (882567) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937170)

Tell me about it. After being driven crazy by my ISP for 4 years or so, I got the cheapest reliable connection in Poland that has a static IP (we're going to beta-test our game on my comp to cut costs).

$100 for 2Mbps down / 256 kbps up (yes, that's cheapest DSL that doesn't have monthly transfer limit of 35-or-so GB).

$110 installation, $100 monthly. And that's only because they offer a "promotion" since the begining of June (was much more). Plus it's a minimum 24 months deal.

You guys don't have a clue what less fortunate people (why oh why wasn't I born in a civilized country?) feel when they read your complaints about the level of service you're being provided with (and costs associated with it, especially when you take a look at average salary).

what good is 256 kbps up? (1)

John Seminal (698722) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937237)

you are running a server, right?

you would do better getting 1 meg down and gaurenteed 384 kbps up than the 2 megs down and 256 up.

how many people can log into a 256 kbps up without causing everyone to crawl at a snails pace. once you get 20 people logged in at the same time, it will become so slow. you will have to disable graphics.

Re:what good is 256 kbps up? (1)

muszek (882567) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937293)

I could get 1Mbps/256kbps for $20 less. Provided there are 3 of us living in this apartament, additional 1Mb is nice (all of us tend to abuse bandwidth at times ;) ).

I can get additional 256 up for (to a total of 512) for $35. I can do it any time, but don't really neet it (torrent suffers, tho...)

The game we're developing is a web-based game. With gzip compression turned on average page is a bit over 4kB. That gives us ~7 pages per second with 256kbps. If one logged in user requests one page per 30 seconds (my assumption), we'll be able to serve 210 logged in users, which is more than enough for early beta.

Re:THIS IS NOT FAIR (1)

Skye16 (685048) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937260)

Just out of curiousity, but, is that USD?

I pay 50$ a month now for 1.5mbps/160kbps. No matter what, my upload is capped at 160kbps. There's nothing I can do to make that better. DSL is a joke around here; the wires are so pathetic you can barely make phone calls without line noise (and this is from a wide variety of houses, including brand new ones (well, one)). Up until two years ago, it was 70$ a month for 1.5mbps/128kbps (that was the best we could get then, too).

All in all, that sounds about right. However, I have NO idea how much 100$ USD actually gets you in Poland. For all I know, it could be the price of a Ferrari.

Re:THIS IS NOT FAIR (1)

muszek (882567) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937358)

I have NO idea how much 100$ USD
It's not a question of how much could you buy for it, but rather how much an average person can spare for such stuff after paying bills (and the answer is "almost nothing").

In general, food and services are cheaper in developing countries, but anything related to technology is either more or a lot more expensive. Example: I'd say notebooks are 50% more expensive than in US. And keep in mind average salary is waaaaaay lower (I'd say it's about 500 USD right now... fresh university graduates are happy to get $300).

That's what you get when you elect politicians who'd rather invest in heavy industry and agriculture.

Re:THIS IS NOT FAIR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937282)

I'm in South London in the UK. Surely a good place? I've got 2Mb/s for 40 pounds/month
from www.bulldogdsl.com (Cable and Wireless)

I tried to upgrade from the best service they
offered when I ordered (2Mb) to the best service
in January (4Mb+ free calls) and was told there was no upgrade path!

Now the new customers get get 8Mb/s and
free local and national calls.

When I called to upgrade in April(!!) they said
they would make an exception and I can upgrade.

I just received the activiation date (4th July!).

I have the best/most expensive package and it takes 5 months in total to upgrade to the new
best package! No other local loop providers are
available in my area!

Wonderful...not!

Re:THIS IS NOT FAIR (1)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937314)

You guys don't have a clue what less fortunate people (why oh why wasn't I born in a civilized country?) feel when they read your complaints about the level of service you're being provided with (and costs associated with it, especially when you take a look at average salary).

My service is more expensive for less speed than what you have. Not all the US gets such offers. There are rural areas that are no better off than you for service (though I will conceede the average salary point).

And probably 10gb a month transfer limit (5, Insightful)

nihilistcanada (698105) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937009)

Why is it that they always love to wax orgasmicaly about how fast their connections are but all these unlimited plans have caps of 10gb a month or so? How about you give your customers increased bandwith usage rather then hypothetical speed increases?

Re:And probably 10gb a month transfer limit (1)

UnderScan (470605) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937189)

Perhaps. Perhaps not. As a current Cablevision/OptimumOnline user, I downloaded over 10GB in just Linux distros just this past week: one 4GB Knoppix 4.0 DVD, five FC4 CDs, four Centos 4.1 CDs, & CDs 1-4 of Debian 3.1r0a.

As for speeds, I get 10Mbit/1Mbit. There is a local Debian mirror at Suny Stonybrook and I get about 800KB/s sustained from it. I can upload to my website at a max of 80KB/s. Sure its a ratio of 1:10 but its been this fast for the past three years & I have never been emailed or postal mailed by OO regarding any sort of bandwidth usage or abuse.

Here We Go... (0, Offtopic)

creimer (824291) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937010)

Is it protected from the rats [slashdot.org] and a bad power supplies [slashdot.org] ? The industry spends billions of dollars building out the infrastructure but can't seem to protect from it from natural causes.

fttp... (5, Insightful)

torrents (827493) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937011)

looks like fiber to the premesis is causing real competition... good to see cable companoes still know how to compete...

Re:fttp... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937117)

I bet you want a nice fat fiber cable UP YOUR ASS you fucking faggot

Not MOCA (1)

lullabud (679893) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937138)

I was looking for the technical side, didn't look too hard, but I was kinda thinking the same thing. I was wondering if they'd hooked up with the MOCA guys as an early adopter until I remembered that it used existing cable...

Wrong place (1)

ManoMarks (574691) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937014)

They never do these test market things in my neighborhood. Probably because its not high income enough.

what will you even use it for? (5, Insightful)

pablo_max (626328) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937033)

Lets face it, people using those huge connections are mostly downloading very large files for p2p networks. I know there are other uses, but I say generally. Now that the door have been opened for companies to held liable for the actions of users, its only a matter of time before ISP are killing your connection and turning you over to the RIAA or the like so they can save themselves a law suit. Disagree all you want. Hollywood WILL get their way. After that, whats the point of a insane fast connection....oh let me guess, for "research papers"? It's a sad time in america.

Re:what will you even use it for? (1)

stagmeister (575321) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937080)

... or, you will run a web server. With that kind of bandwith, you could run a server and not have to pay for hosting!

Re:what will you even use it for? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937083)

Hosting game servers, high quality video chat, voice conversations, sending home movies to the relatives, making your personal photo libraries available, hosting your blog, video on demand from those hollywood types you mentioned. More importantly how about being able to do several of those things at once instead of just one at a time as is often the case now.

There are thousands of useful and totally legal things that can be done with very high speed connections that can't be done very effectively with the current "broadband" offerings. Just because it can be used for illegal activities doesn't mean those are the only uses for such connections.

Re:what will you even use it for? (5, Insightful)

startleman (567255) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937099)

I disagree.
There are tons of uses for more bandwidth. One only needs to envision online services such as fast system backups, multimedia mail, videophones, on-demand HDTV over ip, . . . .shall I continue? I don't beleive that the only people that will benefit from larger bandwidth are pirates and p2p users...
just my 2 cents.

Re:what will you even use it for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937136)

Anonymous networks...

http://anonet.fshell.org/ [fshell.org]

--AC

how long you been a member? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937187)

Slashdotting, duh!

U thought sites got shut quickly before...

Re:what will you even use it for? (1)

fallendragon (777963) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937200)

these questions are completely redundant. who needs more than 640k of memory? if you build it he will come. you can't even envisage what this could be used for because it probably hasn't even been invented yet. its like having a 60gig ipod in 1983 (?) when the only CD you could buy was Brothers in Arms and wondering what you were going to use the other 59 gigs and change for.

Re:what will you even use it for? (1)

afabbro (33948) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937246)

Hollywood WILL get their way.

Because, of course, that's what's happened to date.

Oh wait...

Re:what will you even use it for? (1)

Nahor (41537) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937283)

Yeah, 640kbps ought to be enough for everybody! Sheesh...

Imagine a global beowulf cluster of... (1)

lullabud (679893) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937289)

Seriously though, as everybody has noted, there are tons of legal things to do with a fat pipe. Web-hosting is a hot one. Remote backups of my mom's computer. Audio streaming is still legal... at least I think it is. Remote desktop connections like VNC and Terminal Services. H264 multi-user video chat. Anybody who has to ask what to do with a fat pipe does not have the passion for networking that some of us do.

My biggest concern wouldn't be what to do with it, but what kind of latency comes with that fat pipe? I'd gladly trade that fat of a pipe for one a fraction of the size but has snappy response.

Re:what will you even use it for? (2, Interesting)

Alef (605149) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937303)

It's funny you mention research papers. In fact, I am working on a research paper at this moment, and have found it very useful to have an optical fiber plugged into my computer, since it allows me to transfer simulation data (several GB) between the university and my home computer.

Cablevision service nightmare (5, Insightful)

warren96 (720171) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937067)

Never believe anything Cablevision writes or says, it'll be just smoke and mirrors. Had the "service" and anytime there was a hiccup, no connection, smtp service down, long delays in response, their "tech support" ws nowhere to be found. That is if you can actually get a live person to answer the "customer Service" or "Customer Support" phone lines. I wouldn't go back to cablevision service even if it was free for ever. Not worth the hassles. Ex cablevision customer from Brooklyn.

Re:Cablevision service nightmare (2, Informative)

LoRdTAW (99712) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937373)

Yea but cable vision in brooklyn always sucked. One kid I used to know lived on the Brooklyn Queens border in cityline (not more then 10 blocks from me) always had complaints. Out on LI I have a few friends and they dont have any complaints.

I live in south queens and we have Time Warner cable at one home and Verizon 3.0/768 DSL at another. No complaints with either service (except the RR cable is much faster and more responsive then the DSL). I know a few people with RR cable from TW and they also never have a complaints.

Verizon is deploying FIOS in the metro area too but they left out NYC. It always appears that NYC and other major cities are left for last with Broadband. Its probably too costly to beploy fibre in densely populated areas. I personally would like to get Fios since Verizon is also gearing up to deploy Digital TV services over Fios. Hopefully it will be as good or better then Time warner cable (it simply rocks).

Re:Cablevision service nightmare (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937375)

I always get a live person. The problem is that they usually don't know what they're talking about. I used to call whenever there was an outage, but they usually just say, "we know." I haven't had an outage in a while but I'd say I get about 3-4 per year.

yeah but is it ipv6? (0, Offtopic)

che.kai-jei (686930) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937069)

or are lots of addresses cheap?

In other news (5, Informative)

Psionicist (561330) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937076)

Here in Sweden you can already get 100 mbit up/down without limitations or caps for around 45 USD ( www.bredband2.se ) in an assortment of locations, not only universities. It's even better in Japan and Korea I think.

not only 100 Mbit, GIGAbit. (2, Informative)

TERdON (862570) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937162)

http://www.uppsalanytt.se/news.asp?newsID=1192 [uppsalanytt.se] (sorry, in swedish). And there might be a cap on that connection, I don't really know.

And also, IIRC, those gigabit connections were available in Japan/Korea before in Sweden, don't have any link to use as confirmation though.

Tokyo (1)

lullabud (679893) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937174)

I read somewhere, but I can't find the story to back it up, that a large portion of Tokyo is wired with gigabit. That sort of thing works much easier in high-density populations where you have several hundred people living in one high-rise, so I can't expect to see that in the burbs any time soon... :(

Re:In other news (1)

lorenlal (164133) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937216)

Yea, I know... we're freaking out for something that you all consider sliced bread...

Lots of my friends had broadband before I ever touched it. I didn't care. It was just as wonderful when I got it, regardless of when.

Think of it like landing on the moon... Sure the first guys got the most recognition... But everyone who did it felt the rush!

Now if I could just find a way out there...

Re:In other news (3, Informative)

Alef (605149) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937222)

Actually, at least in Västerbotten [wikipedia.org] , optical fiber networks are built to most households (even in villages). It currently costs about 20 USD per month (175 SEK) for 100 Mb, although there is an installation fee of about 1000 USD.

Re:In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937231)

I think my jealousy skill just leveled up.

Emigrating Hordes of Nerds... (4, Funny)

Dr.Dubious DDQ (11968) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937337)

Well, I'm sure the Swedish government will be tracking you down to have a word with you, since it's YOUR post that will have been responsible for Slashdotting The Swedish Immigration Board's website [migrationsverket.se] now...

I have to admit, the idea of real LAN-speed broadband internet in my home is givin' me a nerd-on...

Re:In other news (1)

Rakishi (759894) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937360)

In Japan at least this is the case because they started getting broadband much later than the US. In the US they already had broadband which both made it less important to upgrade things yet again, and also made it less profitable to do so.

Re:In other news (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937426)

That is so not true. The reason the US has low speed internet is that there is no money in it, and the goverment structure, at least after 2000, changed so that there were no longer any incentives. Pre-2000 there was real compitition. I did not have to go with local service provider. Today SBC has out nuts in a vise.

In effect, the current administration decided that the telco and cable were sufficient compition and allowed everyone else to be squeezed. Niether of these have an incetive to provide high bandwidth because it would squeeze other bussiness units.

A very good and recent analysis of this is in foreign affairs [foreignaffairs.org] . It details the policy change that lead to the US becoming a technological backwater.

Donuts (3, Funny)

InvaderSkoodge (858660) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937081)

So how do you write that sound that Homer Simpson makes when he sees a box of donuts? That's the sound I'm making right now...

Holy shits! (1)

CarrionBird (589738) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937110)

That's just around the corner! Doesn't say if this will benefit current reseidential customers though.

Cable Vision? No thanks. (4, Informative)

weevlos (766887) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937111)

Last time I had service with them, I had latency shoot up to above 1000ms two router hops ahead of me for about 7 hours a day. Absolutely useless service, would not advise anyone to fall for their marketing.

That's it (1)

simontek2 (523795) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937121)

I am moving to Long Island. Screw Savannah, and the fireants, speaking of which, fireants and fireworks = murdering tons of fireants

I don't care. (2, Insightful)

kc32 (879357) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937146)

Great. A giant city gets an even faster internet connection. Until I can get it in Kansas, I don't really give a shit.

Re:I don't care. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937273)

I hear you guys aren't getting evolution either... shit sucks.

Porn in HD!! (3, Funny)

John Seminal (698722) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937164)

I am dumbfounded. 100 megs a second?? Is that what they said. That is a whole HUGE milf file in less than 3 seconds.

Seriously, before I could only have a player about a quarter the size of my monitor, if I tried to expand the size of the porn any more, it would not be clear. Her skin would not look smooth and soft. Now I can watch porn the way it was intended to be, in High Definition.

And before people start bashing me, anwser one question? How much money is made in porn on the web every year? How much money does Amazon make on the web? See... the web is there for porn, everything else is icing on the cake.

To the people of IRAN, if you censor your web, you will never get 100 megs a second. The moment you let people masturbate, the porn industry will come to Terahn and give you 100 megs a second!! But along with titles such as "Touched by Alah", you will have to let people have "Mr. Azerja, the goatfucker". Actually, I am sorry for that last joke. Please forgive me. I am going to burn in hell for that one.

What else is 100 megs a second good for? TV on demand? I wonder how the DirectTV and Dish will counter these fast speeds that cable has. What will DSL do? I hate supporting cable providers, because back when they were the only choice (for cable tv), they were the worst customer service pricks around-

Me: "Hi, I saw your advertisment for $29.95 instal with two months of HBO for half price with basic service"
Them: "Hey, hold on one second... *strange noise*... Okay, what did you want???
Me: "I'd like to order cable service, can you come out this Saturday?"
Them: "No way. Let me look... ahh, okay, we can come out in three weeks, the 13th."
Me: "Any way you can come sooner?"
Them: "No"
Me: "Okay I guess, what time can you be here?"
Them: "We will be there between the hours of 8am and 7pm."
Me: "WHAT??? I'd like to not wait all day"
Them: "Hold on, I have another call."
CLICK- call disconected.

Second Call

Me: "Hi, I was just disconnected"
Them: "Oh, yeah, what do you want again?"
Me: "I'd like to order service"
Them: *noise of chips crunching* "Yeah, fine, okay".
Me: "How do I order service"
Them: "Let me get to that screen. I am going to need to put you on hold again"
Me: "NOOOOOOO"
CLICK- call disconected

Third Call

Me: "You hung up on me again!"
Them: "No I didn't, I put you on hold"
Me: "Whatever, I want to order cable service"
Them: "Sure thing, we can get to you in four weeks, on the 20th"
Me: "You just told me three weeks, now it is four?"
Them: "Yeah, we had a mad dash of orders since I last talked to you"

The only good thing about the cable industry is they are so fucking currupted, it is easy to steal from them. I know people who had free HBO for 10 years just because they slipped the instal guy $20 bucks. Now that things are going digital, it does not work as well, because you need that box. And RTF Gold does not descrable all the pay-per-view stuff. But the one trick that is left, if you only want basic service and internet, is to order just the internet and then split the cable. You will get basic programming for free.

Having said that, I wonder what the sweet spot for broadband and tv service is, including stealing? Anyone have the gigantic dishes? Anyone know how to get all the premium stations and pay per view for free?

Re:Porn in HD!! (1)

Elminst (53259) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937390)

"Anyone know how to get all the premium stations and pay per view for free?"

Go to work for the cable company?
As a TimeWarner employee, I get all the digital cable, all the HD, all the premiums, all the extra channels, all the video on demand, DVR, 3 extra digital boxes, and free RoadRunner (5M/384k). Easily $250+/month.

broadband sucks - give me baseband anyday (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937165)

ok - I'm being sarcastic. But are we sure that this is broadband? I haven't heard what layer1 technology is being used but it sounds a hell of a lot like ethernet which typically runs over a baseband copper and fibre



My 1000BaseT (baseband) network around work is one hell of a lot faster than my broadband internet connection (ADSL). When will people get past the marketing concept that broadband means "faster"??

Screw the midwest (1)

lorenlal (164133) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937172)

4 down and 256kup is officially for the dogs. I have a friend who just moved out there... I've already told her:
If you're in that area, expect a large delivery and monthly subsidy checks... Hell, after the first upgrade, expect to send me some housing info for that area... I don't care if I don't have a job even considered out there... I'll find one...

Memories... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937177)

I remember selling my Sega Genesis and a slew of game cart's for $100 towards a 14.4 kbps modem back when 28.8 was a distant rumor. I remember imagining text zipping by at 28800 baud and wondering why anyone who wasn't downloading warez would ever need a modem that fast.

I also remember thinking that the World Wide Web was just a passing fad.

If service providers can give enough consumers more bandwidth, content providers will give consumers more to download.

Hope they can afford to finish this (2, Informative)

DeepRedux (601768) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937212)

The Dolan family, who controls CableVision, have just proposed a $7.9B leveraged buyout of the cable assets. To get the cash, they are planning on selling $4.25B in junk bonds [reuters.com] . This would be the second largest junk bond offering in history, after the RJR ("Barbarians at the Gate") junk bond.

explosions in the sky (1)

dimmak (850893) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937221)

...and i was all proud about calling up verizon and getting them to upgrade me to 3Mpbs/768Kbps. I will always see more and more legitimate uses for such fatty pipes besides the evil bane of copyright infringement. Short-sightedness certainly does not help the cause for increasing bandwidth, but I am currently finding out that the most interested parties are archivists, not pirates. That is why I am so happy to see libraries as an ally in the realm of p2p. Personally, I want to be able to have instantaneous access to all my computers and data in all locations as if I were sitting right in front of them. Now we are reaching points to where you can easily access files no matter their displacement from you. Not only will I be able to control any computer from anywhere in real time, but I will also be able to setup my own personal data-on-demand network. This type of globalization sure is exciting to me.

Why not pay per MB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937295)

Instead of either a rate cap or a daily limit, why not simply charge per MB? A fraction of a cent, of course. You go away for a month -- you pay only a small sum, say $10 or something. You use P2P lots and you pay for it.

I wouldn't want to subsidise all the freeloaders maxing out their connections 24/7, I don't pay a flat monthly charge for my electricity, gas, water or phone (except for the minimum charges) so why should this be the case for data?

My Guess: Securing Solid Dollar Figures (1)

lullabud (679893) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937411)

My guess is that they expect a lot of people to buy the service but not use it to its full potential. Seriously, 100mb is overkill for things like Xbox Live, World of Warcraft, etc.. Paying per MB would not make much money in those cases. Plus, a montly fee makes it easier to plan because you have a set income that you can assure throughout the length of the contract; they know they'll get $XXX from each client over the period of the contract, minus the ones who default, of course.

what about riaa and mpaa (1)

zoftie (195518) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937329)

1. install ultraborad band.
2. sue the house owners for 1/10th price of their properties for movie/music sharing.
3. ....
4. profit!

ps: I wonder when there will be a league of protection of pron industry.
my 2c.

Thats it..... (3, Funny)

Ichigo Kurosaki (886802) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937338)

I'm moving to New York

Verizon's FiOS is competition (4, Informative)

keen (86192) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937378)

Cablevision isn't just doing this to be nice. Verizon is set to launch FiOS (Fiber Optic Service) in the area very shortly. In NJ they have been stringing fibers for the last few months.. I actually called them today and they told me I would be able to order fiber possibly as early as tomorrow. I'm currently an Optimum Online subscriber and am definitely going to be switching over ASAP.

Their pricing plan is pretty good:

Down/Up
Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $39.95
Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $49.95
Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps 199.95

The number direct to the FiOS center is: 908-474-9728
Verizon doesn't publicize it yet, but the people who answer do have access to a database telling them which switches are going live and when. Today when I called, I told asked if I was going to have service in my small town.. when he said no, I told him the local switch which served us (obtainable via Local Exchange Routing Guide). He acted very surprised and said that indeed we would have FiOS activated very soon now.

Of course this was obvious as Verizon has spent $$$ wiring fiber everywhere which should be the next big thing(tm). They even replace the normal copper wires going to your house with fiber (doesn't work in a power outage though! I hope nobody gets upset about 911 ;) Or is it okay for fiber not to work during power outages as it is Verizon who supplies it rather than some upstart VoIP business that doesn't have the lobbying power that incumbent telcos do...?) If you have a pair of binoculars you can check out your poles and look for the little Corning boxes.

Who needs all that? (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937476)

I'm happy with my 256/512 for £25 a month. Mind you, it has newsgroups, no filtered ports, and really helpful tech support.
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