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Trolltech Releases Qt 4.0

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the congratulations-all-around dept.

KDE 413

lypanov writes "Trolltech has released Qt 4.0 both under commercial and GPL licenses for X11, Mac OS X and MS Windows. It is the first time that a MS Windows GPL edition is available. To celebrate the release Trolltech employees have created a song and a music video (Bittorrent download, Ogg Theora version). Read the Qt 4 Overview and the online Qt Reference Documentation for more information. You can download Qt from ftp.trolltech.com or from one of its mirrors. Work on KDE 4 has already started with making a development branch of KDE compile and run with Qt 4."

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Whats up with slashdot? (1, Offtopic)

Adult film producer (866485) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937718)

I just had two stories disappear on me... one about amazon patenting user/browser histories and some other goof-off story..

Re:Whats up with slashdot? (1)

OzPhIsH (560038) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937752)

Same thing happened to me. I tried to post a comment in on the Amazon patent and then it was gone.

We don't talk about those stories... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937764)

...lest we appear to be unprofessional.

Re:Whats up with slashdot? (1)

aixou (756713) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937797)

Me too... I even had this not-so funny joke about the USPTO living in Da Nile has they keep accepting amazon'ly absurd patents..

Maybe it was better that it didn't go through...

Re:Whats up with slashdot? (3, Funny)

value_added (719364) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937820)

I just had two stories disappear on me... one about amazon patenting user/browser histories and some other goof-off story..

I'm going to infer that because you read the Amazon patent story, and subsequently read a goof-off story, you might be interested in reading El Reg [theregister.co.uk] ?

KDE4 for Windows? (4, Interesting)

swimin (828756) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937722)

Will the KDE library be available for windows now?

Re:KDE4 for Windows? (4, Informative)

big tex (15917) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937751)

Has been for a while.

http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

Re:KDE4 for Windows? (1)

swimin (828756) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937885)

I meant natively, so that X.org wouldn't have to be running. You could even staticly link against the library, and have a single binary.

That doesn't work though (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937949)

These folks [thankless.net] have logged various bugs against the Cygwin port, but the developers haven't bothered to address them yet. Too late for 4.0 I guess.

Re:KDE4 for Windows? (1, Insightful)

Sleepy (4551) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937925)

Will the KDE library be available for windows now?

Wrong question. Nothing legally prevents a native, GPL, KDE for Windows.

The problem I bet is all the dependencies. I suspect someone will tackle native KDE/Win, but if so it will take a long time, because Windows coders won't get excited enough to help until it's far enough along development.

It'll take a while for Qt apps to get built for native Windows (longer than it did for GTK apps like Ethereal to be ported to Win32 native)

Re:KDE4 for Windows? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937961)

Regarding your signature, people who make slashdot their life are not allowed to moderate. Take a break, smell the roses.

Re:KDE4 for Windows? (1)

xanadu-xtroot.com (450073) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938023)

people who make slashdot their life are not allowed to moderate.

Especially when he claims his karma is 51 when the cap is 50...

No Kubuntu package yet? (-1, Troll)

chx1975 (625070) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937723)

Can't believe this... Could this my first /. 0?

Funny... (2, Funny)

Joey Patterson (547891) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937724)

I didn't know trolls could sing and dance. :)

Wierd name (2, Interesting)

caluml (551744) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937730)

Where does the name TrollTech come from?

Re:Wierd name (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937744)

The GNAA?

Re:Wierd name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937814)

Trolltech is a Norwegian company, and "trolls" are legendary creatures in Norwegian folklore, if I understand correctly (I'm not Norwegian). So "trolltech" isn't more weird for a Norwegian company than "Halloweentech" would be for an American company.

Re:Wierd name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937904)

Halloweentech? That would still be weird ...

Re:Wierd name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937970)

Uh, well, ok, I'm not American either... let's say "Dragontech" for a Chinese company...

Re:Wierd name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12938066)

Shrimp-on-the-Barby-Tech?

Re:Wierd name (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937824)

So they could kill GNOME.

To kill Gnome (1)

aixou (756713) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937877)

So they could kill GNOME.


Hmm... I never thought of it, but I wonder if the inverse is true. Gnome was created in response to the Qt licensing, no? Perhaps it was the GNOME guys who wanted to play a little naming fun with the Trolltech guys.

Either way, it adds a bit of fun depth to the (constructive) competition between Gnome and KDE. :-)

Re:To kill Gnome (1)

xanadu-xtroot.com (450073) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938091)

Gnome was created in response to the Qt licensing, no?

Indeed, I do think you are correct (I'm a KDE fan of a LONG time, but that was still my understanding).

Perhaps it was the GNOME guys who wanted to play a little naming fun with the Trolltech guys.
Again, I second you. It's a silly thought, but it does make a BIT of sense...

more like squish. (1)

ecalkin (468811) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937933)

trolls are *large* and gnomes are *small*.

ick.

eric

Re:Wierd name (4, Informative)

Capt. Beyond (179592) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937903)

From the FAQ (linked above) (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937931)

Haavard and Eirik Eng were thinking about what to call the company for a while. One night,Haavard had a dream where the company was called "Trolltech". In the dream his wife hated the name, so he asked her what she thought when he woke up. She liked it. The rest is history.

As to being referred to as "Trolls", we don't mind. Trolls are something very Scandinavian, and in a way provides a title for all of us to share. It's kind of a bonding thing.

Re:Wierd name (1)

slapout (93640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938018)

Isn't it obvious?

The Atlanta Trading company merged with an offshoot of a skin care company -- Olay Computers. This new company then merged with a research group from Louisiana Tech.

Sure, why not (2, Funny)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937731)

Trolltech sounds so...dubious. I mean, when I think of Trolltech, I think of spyware. Hell, anything that is profession with the name "Troll" rubs me the wrong way.

I can imagine their future... "The current stock value of Trolltech rose to 300 dollars a share..."

Re:Sure, why not (1)

temojen (678985) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937763)

Spyware tends not to fly in GPL'd projects.

Re:Sure, why not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937883)

Try explaining that to a layman.

Re:Sure, why not (1)

Mornelithe (83633) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937787)

They seem to have done fine so far.

Maybe people who get put in places of responsibility to make buying decisions have the capability to look at what they're actually selling, rather than going, "Eww! Their name has 'troll' in it!"

Re:Sure, why not (1)

JonLatane (750195) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938034)

You must have never seen the term "PHB." :)

Re:Sure, why not (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12938222)

Trolltech sounds so...dubious. I mean, when I think of Trolltech, I think of spyware.

They're from Norway, dude. Anything with 'Troll' in it is popular there. They even named one of their biggest oil-fields [offshore-technology.com] "Troll".

So since Norwegians like trolls, obviously they don't call annoying people on the internet 'trolls'. They usually call them 'americans'.

Need help w/ my Mac please (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937733)

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I have recently upgraded from a Mac 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM to a new G5 dual 2GHz with AGP 8X and PCI-X to help me at my freelance gig where I needed to copy a 17 Meg file from my home network to a desktop folder. On the G5 it took about 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

In addition, during this file transfer, my iPod will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Safari is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8MB of ram running MS Windows for Workgroups 3.11 is faster than this G5 dual 2GHz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.

Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

Re:Need help w/ my Mac please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937832)

I have to admit, this is one of my favorite trolls.

Well played sir!

Re:Need help w/ my Mac please (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937843)


If you hate Macs so much, why did you upgrade to a new one in the first place, moron?

How does QT survive. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937741)

With free alternatives like gnome, java and wxwindows, how does trolltech survive?

Re:How does QT survive. (1)

Metasquares (555685) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937800)

Have you used Qt before? Their APIs and particularly the way that they handle event-driven programming (signals/slots) is very well done.

Re:How does QT survive. (4, Informative)

temojen (678985) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937812)

1) QT doesn't suck
2) QT is GPL'd, not LGPL'd, so whoever wishes to use it in closed-source software must buy a license to do so. This means TrolTech can afford to continue developing it full time, while still getting it well-used in open-source projects.
3) The commercial license is very affordable.
4) QT is very cross-platform.
5) QT is very full featured, but still fast and light.
6) QT includes a very nice GUI designer.

Re:How does QT survive. (0, Troll)

Larthallor (623891) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938005)

3) The commercial license is very affordable.
Nice troll, no pun intended.

$50 for DarkBasic [thegamecreators.com] is "very affordable".
$109 for Microsoft Visual C++ [microsoft.com] is "quite affordable".
$3300 for QT 4.0 Desktop [trolltech.com] is not "very affordable".

And that is just for one platform. If you want to use one of Qt's biggest strengths ("QT is very cross-platform.") you have to shell out $6600 to be able to compile for all three platforms.

Depending on the economics of your business, it may be worth the money, but "very affordable" it ain't.

Re:How does QT survive. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12938286)

What does a month of dev salary + new machine cost.

Its affordable in regards to cost to an IT shop, not hobby programmer. Think more in terms of comparrison to MS Office or full versions of Adobe suite for price comparrisons.

And for the hobby programmer there is Qt (or GTK if you prefer)

Re:How does QT survive. (4, Insightful)

alienw (585907) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938289)

If you don't make enough money from your commercial software business to afford a one-time expense of $2000 (the light version includes everything you need in a toolkit), you have no business writing commercial software. I mean, that's only about two weeks of one developer's salary. You'll spend about 5 times that in lost productivity if you use VC++ alone. The $3000 version includes XML, databases, networking, and a ton of other stuff which is definitely worth it if you need it. Not to mention you get full source code.

Re:How does QT survive. (3, Insightful)

k98sven (324383) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938291)

Troll indeed.. Let's see.. you're comparing a cross platform GUI toolkit against:
1) A toy programming language
2) A C++ compiler and IDE

That's not apples-and-oranges. Those aren't even fruit!

Re:How does QT survive. (1)

SassyDave (557868) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938173)

Excellent comments. May I add another few:

7. All versions (commercial included) come with source. This proves very handy when sub-classing widgets.

8. Qt has the only C++ string class worth using, QString. Who couldn't love

str = str.stripWhiteSpace();

9. Regex support!

Also, it's Qt, not QT.

Mwmahaha .. funny guy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937825)

These are not really alternatives. Gnome is a bloated non-portable piece of amateur work. Java is bloated, portable, requires JVM and slow as hell. wxwindows .. well, not many people are using it anyway, so it's not much of an alternative.

Maybe you should apply for job there? (1)

TERdON (862570) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937960)

Obviously, if they're hiring, being an actual troll would certainly be a positive side to emphasize, wouldn't it? *ducks*

Re:How does QT survive. (1)

xanadu-xtroot.com (450073) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938167)

With free alternatives like gnome, java and wxwindows
How is QT *not* free?

THey just finished saying that their code is running on several platforms (for non comercial use) for free.

QT is a cutie (5, Interesting)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937742)

I've worked with my fair share of windowing APIs and QT's OO approach to the problem is very well done. On the one extreme we have the heavy MFC which has grown out of control into a mammoth mess. wxwindows, pretty much a clone of MFC, shares the same issues as MFC. WTL seems hopeful, if only anyone was using it and it had any sort of support.

The Win32 and Gnome APIs are written in C, so though they are fast, they doesn't get any of the programming benefits of Object Orientation.

Thought it has a funny macro kludges in certain places, the QT API is absolutely a joy to work with.

Re:QT is a cutie (3, Informative)

The_Wilschon (782534) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937780)

. . . Object Orientation.

Is that kind of like Freshman Orientation? Show the objects around, get them used to the system, play volleyball with them, take them out behind the intramural fields and leave them to find their own way back...

Re:QT is a cutie (1)

lord sibn (649162) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937795)

Ok, i'll bite. :)

"blah blah blah, QT is really nice. Blah blah blah, MFC sucks. Gtk is fast, but who cares about fast? QT is *nice*, blah blah blah"

yes, i was kidding. but strip out all the market-speak, and that's about what i was able to reduce it to.

QT: Good but Expensive (1)

Al Mutasim (831844) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937796)

I agree. QT is good and liked by all the developers I know who work with it. It is expensive to use commercially, though. For a developer's license that includes integration with OpenGL and other things we need, it runs $4950 USD.

Re:QT: Good but Expensive (2, Interesting)

mp3phish (747341) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938061)

That is expensive?

It is for a small time shop. But even carpenters purchase tools which are much more expensive than that. Shit, sewing machines are much more expensive than $5,000 for a good one.

Developers (not all, just many) are too stuck up if they cannot fathom paying $5000 for a tool which will take care of just about every tedious problem with their GUI program. And leave time for the real work (the application idea and implementation)

The fact that you can now rapidly prototype an application using QT and Python in a matter of hours on programs which may take days to produce is worth the money right there (but honestly just download the GPL version for proof of concept if you are afraid to pay for it)

There are other features which are outrageously worth the money. Not everyone will use them. QT is not for every developer. But honestly, what kind of snob are you that $5000 is an expensive tool for your professional career in which you get paid above the average grade of laborers who must purchase more expensive tools?

Re:QT: Good but Expensive (4, Interesting)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938162)

Developers (not all, just many) are too stuck up if they cannot fathom paying $5000 for a tool which will take care of just about every tedious problem with their GUI program.


I wouldn't use the rather inflammatory phrase "stuck up", but it basically comes down to a business decision: is it less expensive to pay TrollTech a multi-thousand dollar fee, or to get the necessary functions implemented without using Qt? For my company, the Qt was by far the cheaper, better option. Our Qt license paid for itself in the first year. We now have an app [lcsaudio.com] that runs well on every major platform, that was straightforward to write and is easy to maintain. Using a cheaper, less well-designed GUI toolkit would probably have doubled our development time, and coding our own portable GUI toolkit from scratch would have made things ten times harder. (of course making our app GPL would have given us the best of both worlds... but I couldn't quite convince management of that ;^))


(Not associated with TrollTech, just a satisfied customer)

Re:QT: Good but Expensive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12938298)

carpenters purchase tools which are much more expensive than [$5000].
The carpenters I know don't have any tools approaching that other than their trucks or work vans. If they needed anything that expensive, they would rent it.

Re:QT is a cutie (2, Informative)

Noksagt (69097) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937851)

While GTK+ is written in C, they have always used the object-oriented [ualberta.ca] paradigm. There are, of course, wrappers which make both branches of GTK+ easier to use in whatever language you choose.

Re:QT is a cutie (1)

The Snowman (116231) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937926)

Thought it has a funny macro kludges in certain places, the QT API is absolutely a joy to work with.

Yes, it is a joy. I am compiling it right now, and I even left my BitTorrent client open for everyone else downloading it :-)

They did make good on their promise to release it in the second quarter, which ends on Thursday. Still, I have a few GPL GUI applications I want to write for Windows, and it was worth the wait. Qt is much more pleasant to work with than GTK+ or Win32 API.

MOD ARTICLE DOWN (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937750)

Its a troll.
Buh Duh Dum

Bittorrent at its best (2, Funny)

The_Wilschon (782534) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937761)

A slashdotting, to bittorrent, is lifeblood. A true swarm.

JabberKatz(tm) Trolling Technology (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937762)

Perhaps the primary reason the Net has never seemed more disconnected and surreal than in the past few years, says a comprehensive report cited in American Demographics magazine, as the box tumbled off the dolly.

When you cut through all the hype, techno-blabber and posturing, media is more and more people, and makes intelligent discourse nearly impossible.

If it weren't so sad, it would have time to build and find its audience, so people would be prepared for it. Any declarations from this brilliant and selfless man are important and worth paying attention to, but brace yourself: the writing style is somewhere between low-key and comatose, the vision noble but almost hopelessly naive.

Tim Berners-Lee seems to be earning even bigger profits for media conglomerates hiding behind the mantra of protecting artists. But 18th-century notions of copyright doesn't make sense in the year 2000. Nobody can argue that the sharing of free ideas and free software movements are among the safest people on the Net for increasingly embattled writers as well as politics. Even the good Jet Li, who plays an LA County Sheriff and family man who is just doing his job and hanging around with his wife.

His buddy Steve Wozniak grasped almost instantly that this philosophy was unlikely to withstand the looming capitalist assault on the Net that dissenters, peace activists and privacy advocates first surfaced, not the largest, group of Netizens, and so, to some degree, Disney's original visions of technology, it's a bunch of engineers copying files around and setting up domain name servers. Hardly the long-awaited new model for writers or for publishing.

Was all of this media has been obsessing on the wrong path, loving stuff like " Hey! Here's that psycho kid! " and " alternative. "

People could pay a single, modest, single fee to an entertainment Web site, which is rendered with considerable skill as the use of computer graphic technologies as a whole. It seems that the DMCA is supposed to generate equitably-distributed global wealth, with equally powerful international organizations devoted to social goals, like reducing poverty and making necessary goods available all over the country to work for us. She would function as our Big Sister when it comes to defining and enforcing copyright conventions.

These two conflicting value systems -- invididuality and corporatism -- are completely anti-thetical to one another to talk and meet.

" Seems to me that you need to have very fault tolerant and abuse-tolerant systems that can handle having people connect and disconnect from it at random. ")

This is good for the country, in this book and getting rich off of computers, the disappearance of European empires, the scope and savagery of modern warfare, the Holocaust, the Nuclear Age.

As happy as they were unfolded to me, I was one of the bloodier brawls in the history of narrative also is reflected on the discussions and threads go on for weeks, even months beyond.

Rowland's book puts the information age, he wonders? " As subsistence farming and handicrafts persisted through the industrial age, will the 650 people who won't take any responsibility for creating environments which are truly free, and gave the rights to it, " said a network spokesman, vowing to " aggressively " fight the Net bootlegging of the season so far is Sean Connery's Finding Forrester, a insipid, politically-correct tale about a reclusive writer and a brilliant minority kid from the Bronx. The movie veers from loopy to moving to strikingly original to undisciplined -- definitely worth a look, though, or even care about this communal movement that seemed to be in a small downtown, surrounded by lower structures that might be valuable in research and some kinds of filtering if they wish. Most libraries and schools also have the ability to block sites if they are deemed dangerous and offensive. There is always the sense of mattering as a person, " writes Sennett, " of being necessary to others. "

" My seventeen year-old son handed me a print -out of your Littleton article, " wrote one e-mailer. " Under Digital Democracy, the country literally uses technology to decide as a whole to hate us. " ---D.K. (Original Comment #10)

" So depressed people are dangerous and should be locked up are they? I f only guns were legal in this country; I'd go out and do anything violent. We've got better things to do. Then I planned get to post my message and hit the summit.

But in its modern incarnation, corporatism is heading for a direct political confronation with the people who frequent it. As OS grows and more people seem to have little chance against such enormity. Everywhere, they are the most frequently cited reason newcomers flee, veterans tire and advertisers move on to more hospitable environments.

Roland? (-1, Offtopic)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937768)

So Timmy, when's the next Roland "story"?

Re:Roland? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937801)

It might be a while; he was late on his payment last month.

The .movie (1)

fa2k (881632) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937788)

VLC crashed for the first time ever n000

Nice icons, too! (4, Interesting)

BandwidthHog (257320) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937806)

The guy who did most of the icons for the new Qt Tools [trolltech.com] is one of us. [slashdot.org] He's a pretty cool dude, once you get past the ego and the constant attempts at world domination.

Re:Nice icons, too! (1)

BurntNickel (841511) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937937)

So you're saying that he is Dogbert [dilbert.com] ?

one of us (1)

lheal (86013) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937943)

He's a pretty cool dude, once you get past the ego and the constant attempts at world domination.

I consider a huge ego a prerequisite to being cool. It's a warlord thing, so lesser beings might not understand.

As for attempting world domination, that just comes along with the super powers. You get some free time, you get that old itch to conquer, and one thing leads to another.

Re:Nice icons, too! (1)

Sentry21 (8183) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938135)

He's a pretty cool dude, once you get past the ego and the constant attempts at world domination.

Steve Jobs does icons?

Re:Nice icons, too! (1)

BandwidthHog (257320) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938200)

Hmm. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen the two of them together...

How is this going to work for trolltech? (1)

mph_az (880372) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937821)

I'm sorry, I could see how having their BSD/Linux versions open and their windows versions closed could keep them in business; but now that they don't have any income generating platforms left, aren't they going to be out of business next week?

If not, how not? I'm very curious.

Re:How is this going to work for trolltech? (4, Informative)

Capt. Beyond (179592) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937848)

Trolltech does have income. There are many businesses that won't touch the GPL with a 10 foot pole.

There are also Qtopia Pda and Phone Editions.

Re:How is this going to work for trolltech? (1)

IntergalacticWalrus (720648) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937855)

Trolltech makes money selling commercial licenses. They sell X11 and OSX licenses too, you know. Having a free Windows version doesn't change anything to their business model.

Re:How is this going to work for trolltech? (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937892)

Who do you think was buying Windows licences before?

Think anyone who could afford to buy a licence was writing programs they don't mind being GPL'd?

I think probably the only way that they will lose income (and I think this is a very real possibility btw) is people who cheat (violate the license for the commercial version probably) and get a couple licensed copies to do production builds on, but develop mostly on GPL'd versions.

Re:How is this going to work for trolltech? (1)

mp3phish (747341) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938123)

This is against the GPL license terms. Any programer who touches the code with the GPL version is legally obligated to open the entire codebase.

It is a very VERY VERY risky business to be in if you plan on this scam. Because there are no copyright violations to pay if you get caught. You simply must open your code. Period. And a court order could potentially be issued to require that. If you were caught you would have 2 options: Open your code, or stop distributing your code. Both the nail in the coffin for any closed source software developer.

Not to mention that technically, the developers could do that on ANY developer tool, including MS Visual Studio. Maybe they download the hacked copies and then send the production build into the legit copy. The same can be said for anything. It is all a game of loosly knit trust networks in the Coporate America scene. If you don't semi-trust your customers or suppliers, then you better watch out.

Also, you might think BSA audit, to catch people trying this exact scam. I'm not saying its a good thing for the BSA to exist, I'm just saying they do exist and act as a deterrant.

Re:How is this going to work for trolltech? (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938287)

This is against the GPL license terms. Any programer who touches the code with the GPL version is legally obligated to open the entire codebase.

As long as you don't distribute it you're okay, because I believe the GPL allows you to create derivative works without requiring your code to be GPLd. And I'm even more sure that this is the position the FSF takes even if it's not in the license explicitly.

I agree that this is a very risky strategy, but it's something that is probably being done by some companies, and will probably be done more. (I doubt it's enough to significantly impact Trolltech's bottom line.)

Re:How is this going to work for trolltech? (2, Insightful)

pebs (654334) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937899)

I'm sorry, I could see how having their BSD/Linux versions open and their windows versions closed could keep them in business; but now that they don't have any income generating platforms left, aren't they going to be out of business next week?

They will continue to make money the same way they always have, by selling commercial licenses. There are plenty of companies/people who want to use Qt that who can't or won't use a GPL licenses for their projects. This change simply means that we will see more Qt-based free (as in GPL) software for Windows.

Re:How is this going to work for trolltech? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937908)

By having Adobe and IBM as customers, as it were.

Re:How is this going to work for trolltech? (5, Informative)

Blob Pet (86206) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937990)

The company I work for has over a dozen enterprise-level licenses. We do it solely for the support. For us, it's essentially the same as using GPL code and contracting a 3rd company for fulltime support. Also, if Trolltech ever bit the dust, we've got the source code.

Re:How is this going to work for trolltech? (1)

Brandybuck (704397) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938115)

It's GPL, not LGPL. You still need a license to write proprietary software with Qt.

BitTorrent Link - Corrupt Movie? (2, Informative)

jcummins (767174) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937828)

I downloaded the movie via BitTorrent, but it does not seem to work. Is this encoded in some funky format?

Yeah (1)

presidentbeef (779674) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937853)

Anyone actually view this yet? I don't see any comments about it and it won't play under Xine, MPlayer, Kaffeine...at least, not for me...

Re:Yeah (1)

The_Wilschon (782534) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937862)

played under mplayer for me just fine.... first try, too. Really cheesy, and as I don't like techno (I'm sure that's not exactly the right name for the genre but oh well) a whole lot, I didn't care for it, but it was cool. Pretty funny.

KDE4 ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937856)

"Work on KDE 4 has already started with making a development branch of KDE compile and run with Qt 4."

Oh, uhm... would not time be better spent at kde.org fixing the many bugs in KDE 3? I still have to strip out kicker (the panel) and kdesktop (the desktop candy) and replace them with other less known programs just to get a semi-decent x-windows running - and this is not a trivial task. There are still many bad bugs in just about every KDE 3 program out. My personal opinion is that KDE focuses on gee-whiz-bang-cool features rather than stability and reliability of the basic necessities needed.

Re:KDE4 ? (1)

aussersterne (212916) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937940)

What problems are you experiencing with kicker/kdesktop? I run FC3 on my desktop and uptime is measured in months through multiple suspend/resume cycles, without ever logging out, and without kicker or kdesktop ever faltering... and I have piles of child panels and files piled on my desktop. KDE3 is rock solid for me.

Re:KDE4 ? (1)

ErichTheWebGuy (745925) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938078)

and replace them with other less known programs just to get a semi-decent x-windows running

You're not a very good liar... Please get a life.

Re:KDE4 ? (4, Informative)

JVolkman (771436) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938092)

"Oh, uhm... would not time be better spent at kde.org fixing the many bugs in KDE 3?"

What makes you think they won't? Migrating to a new version of the Qt framework doesn't require rewriting all of the underlying logic, therefore allowing for bug fixes in a major portion of application code. Not to mention, there are plans for another release [kde.org] in the 3.x series (development can happen in parallel). Also, you should be happy to know that the things you complain about, kicker and kdesktop, are slated to undergo a major overhaul [plasma.bddf.ca] for the KDE4 release.

Music? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937866)

Sounds more like Pommesbudentechno...

fghfghf (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937881)

ghfghfghfghfghfgh gf ffg f fg fg fn fg fg fgfhfghfghfghgfhfghfghfghfghfgh

KDE 4.0 will be great (0)

xiando (770382) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937910)

I love KDE 3.4.1, and from what I have read KDE 4.0 will be even better than all the Windows versions ever released put together. Thank you Trolltech, QT4 and KDE 4 will soon make my life and the life of every other Linux (ab)user out there so much better.

The Video (0)

erik umenhofer (782) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937948)

After watching this, it's no wonder nerds never get dates from hot chicks.

mingw vs. cygwin on win32? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12937963)

i see the free version is for vc++ or mingw on win32.

the old version that cam with the Qt gui book was vc++ or borland 55, no gnu.

what is the difference between mingw and a cygwin installed gcc/g++ environment ?

tia.

More interesting... (1)

lkcl (517947) | more than 9 years ago | (#12937968)

would be a story about how KDE can be cross-compiled on linux to run on wine or natively on windows.

at present, the only way to compile KDE for windows is by compiling it under windows (which requires that you have windows).

and that means you have to utilise a specialised forked version of kde source code, which has a bastardised version of configure, called configure.bat.

yerk.

Re:More interesting... (1)

Compenguin (175952) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938003)

you can use bash from cygwin or msys to run configure

international input (1)

argux (568146) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938002)

does this mean inputting accents on qt applications will finally be fixed? kde and lyx have been unusable for me since qt-3.something...

I might be just an ignorant troll, but if it wasn't qt-3, I don't know why else i can't write accented words on anything using qt.

Trolltech also provides... (1)

DroopyStonx (683090) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938007)

...the latest in digital technology for trolls, which allow such things as Remastered Versions of GNFOS. [idge.net]

vote! (5, Funny)

gnarlin (696263) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938013)

It get my vote for "most disturbing dance video ever".

Re:vote! (2, Funny)

Chris84000000 (735658) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938207)

Let's not forget Get Perpendicular [hitachigst.com]

Wow, lypanov, nice article (3, Interesting)

Mitchell Mebane (594797) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938056)

<sarcasm>
I mean, you must've gone to an awful lot of work to copy that blurb verbatim from the Dot [kde.org] .
</sarcasm>

Re:Wow, lypanov, nice article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12938256)

lypanov is a core KDE developer. If he wants to copy and paste from the dot, he can, you ingrateful fuck.

Cheeziest theme song *ever*... (1)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938086)

...and as such, it's awfully sticky. If i catch myself humming it in the car someone's gonna die, i swear!

Compiler (1)

atomic-penguin (100835) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938175)

Does this come with a native Win compiler or do you have to use the framework as a plugin with MS Visual Studio/C++?

The Song! (1)

trublaha (650819) | more than 9 years ago | (#12938227)

Ahhh... eurodance lives forever!
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