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Drupal Needs a New Home

timothy posted more than 8 years ago | from the new-slash-home-that-is dept.

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reardonsteel writes "All of the Drupal websites were offline for about two days because of a server meltdown at the organization's hosting provider. The main Drupal website is back up with a single temporary page and they've announced a fund-raising drive to raise US$3000 for a new server to be hosted at the Open Source Lab at Oregon State University's server farm. Drupal is the leading open-source (written in PHP) content management system and is used to power tens of thousands of websites, blogs, community sites, etc." At this point, all they need is an actual server, too: the OSL has agreed to provide rack space, bandwidth, power, backup facilities and support.

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Nice (5, Funny)

z0ink (572154) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027774)

So now we'll go ahead and destroy the temporary server too. Good work.

Re:Nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13027789)

There isn't a sane webmaster who doesn't want any and all human visitors who have no bad intentions. Most people on the web have to pay for advertising to get visitors to a website. If you don't want the visitors, send them to my site.

Re:Nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13027907)

I notice that despite all your bluster, you didn't have the cojones to actually link your site even within the comments section, nevermind on the front page.

In case that happens (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13027811)


Dear friends and supporters of Drupal,

Quite a few people have pointed out that drupal.org has been slow lately. We know it's been slow, and have been working on optimizing Drupal.org; adding new features to help keep (evil) crawlers out, fine tuning MySQL and Apache, etc. The fact remains that as the result of Drupal's growing popularity, the server is saturated pretty much all day. This explains drupal.org's poor performance.

To make a long story short, our current server doesn't cut it anymore. Our unprecedented growth in traffic requires more and better hardware. To buy a new server we need your help to raise $3000 USD. Read more about the details below, or just click the Paypal donation button on the right.
Where we are now

Currently, drupal.org runs on a shared server paid for and maintained by Kjartan. The server is a single Pentium Xeon 3Ghz with 1 GB of RAM. There are about 20 sites running on the server, including some of our sites like http://drupal.org/ [drupal.org], http://drupaldocs.org/ [drupaldocs.org] and http://cvs.drupal.org/ [drupal.org]. In addition to the websites, the server hosts our mailing lists, mailing list archives and CVS repositories. Last month, drupal.org alone served more than 3 million pages for 100 Gb of traffic (this does not include any of the other sites or services; non Drupal websites, Drupal mailing list traffic, etc).
What we have planned

In the few past weeks we have been talking to the Open Source Lab [osuosl.org] (OSL) at Oregon State University and they generously offered to provide free rack space, free bandwidth, free power, free backup facilities and onsite support. Scott Kveton [osuosl.org], Associate Director of the Open Source Lab, explains:

"The OSL currently hosts several open source projects such as Mozilla, Gentoo, Debian, Freenode and the Apache Software Foundation. The hosting we do is to help facilitate projects as they grow and leverage an economy of scale by hosting them all in the same facilities. The services hosted at the OSL currently touch well over 20 million unique visitors a day and growing at a phenomenal rate.

As part of the hosting we do here, we offer other services such as DNS, database, backups, mail relay etc to the community to free up their hardware to do the "main thing" for their project. We have offered up rack space, bandwidth, power and our "smart hands" service to the Drupal project because we want to help a great project that is having a significant community meeting one of our goals; enabling communities."

In order to take advantage of this generous offer, we need to supply our own server.
What we need to get there

We would like to buy a Dell PowerEdge 1850 1U (or equivalent hardware) with two Pentium 2.8Ghz Xeon CPUs, at least 2 GB RAM and two 70+ GB SCSI disks with a RAID controller. The total cost of such hardware is approximately $3000 USD ... and this is where we need your help . It is time for us to move to a new home.

Once we have collected enough money to buy a new server, we'll get it to OSL's data center, and we'll move the Drupal sites and services from the current server to the new server. At the same time, we hope to grow our team of server administrators, as well as extend the services we offer to the community. Things we plan to provide include a subversion mirror, an infrastructure for nightly tests, and so on.
How we are doing this

As many of you know, Drupal does not currently have a non-profit or foundation status. We are working on this and discussing with other large Open Source projects how they have handled it themselves. This will help in determining what will be best for us. No matter what we decide, filling out forms and filing paperwork will take time and money. Time we don't have.

Currently all funds are held by Dries so the equipment purchased will also be owned by Dries until we have an organization in place that can own equipment. The equipment and funds will then be transfered over. While we have some funds in the bank that have been used to pay for some marketing materials, we are hoping to use the majority of those funds we currently have to set up the foundation. In any case, it is not enough to purchase a server, which we need now. Until then, donations are not tax-deductable.
What you can do to help

Donate now! If you have ever considered donating, now is the time. Your contributions to a new dedicated server will help us lay a new foundation for current improvements and future expansion. It will gain us increased infrastructure support [osuosl.org] and monitoring [osuosl.org]. The opportunity to leverage OSL's services [osuosl.org] is just to good to pass up.

Your donation will be appreciated by the community and you will have everyones thanks for helping to keep us going.

Re:Nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13027834)

Welcome to slashdot, where fucktards like Taco ruin stuff 'cause he doesn't have the descency to warn people he's going to link to people. Asshole.

Re:Nice (1)

Parham (892904) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028002)

At least they raised the required funds. Right now they have $6468 USD, and they were only asking for $3000 USD. Looks like they'll also be able to deal with the temporary server after it was slashdotted.

Re:Nice (1)

pcmanjon (735165) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028087)

I hate to downplay the organisation, as they are an OSS development group, but doesn't this sound a lot like what lokitorrent pulled?

I mean, what type of computer costs 3000? You can get a good rackmount for $1200. Usually, all it takes to host a website is a high end desktop at up to $950.

Re:Nice (4, Informative)

robertjw (728654) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028157)

I mean, what type of computer costs 3000? You can get a good rackmount for $1200. Usually, all it takes to host a website is a high end desktop at up to $950.

Many computers cost $3000 and up. I've seen rackmount machines from HP, Dell and Sun all cost way more than $3000.

Mostly it depends on what their uses are. If they are just using it to host their website they probably don't need much of a server, if they are using that server as a development/test platform as well I'm sure it would be helpful to have a somewhat bigger machine. Actually, from their site:

Currently, drupal.org runs on a shared server paid for and maintained by Kjartan. The server is a single Pentium Xeon 3Ghz with 1 GB of RAM. There are about 20 sites running on the server, including some of our sites like http://drupal.org/ [drupal.org], http://drupaldocs.org/ [drupaldocs.org] and http://cvs.drupal.org/ [drupal.org]. In addition to the websites, the server hosts our mailing lists, mailing list archives and CVS repositories. Last month, drupal.org alone served more than 3 million pages for 100 Gb of traffic (this does not include any of the other sites or services; non Drupal websites, Drupal mailing list traffic, etc).

Where I work we run HP DL380 machines, which is not really a high end server. Base price on those is $2899. In a perfect world, that would be about the class of server I would want to run a site like Drupal has.

Re:Nice (1)

tomjen (839882) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028158)

Well if a 3ghz 1 gb ram does not cover it, they are properly looking for a small supercomputer, not a 950 desktop.

Antwerp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13027778)

Antwerp
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

For other uses, see Antwerp (disambiguation).

The Cathedral of our Lady (Onze-Lieve-Vrouwekathedraal, Antwerp)in the Handschoenmarkt, in the old part of Antwerp is the largest cathedral in the Low Countries and is home to a number of triptychs by the Belgian painter, Rubens. It remains the tallest building in the city.
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The Cathedral of our Lady (Onze-Lieve-Vrouwekathedraal, Antwerp)in the Handschoenmarkt, in the old part of Antwerp is the largest cathedral in the Low Countries and is home to a number of triptychs by the Belgian painter, Rubens. It remains the tallest building in the city.

Antwerp (Dutch: Antwerpen, French: Anvers, Spanish: Amberes, Latin: Antverpia) is a city and a municipality in the province of Antwerp (and its capital), in Flanders, one of the three regions of Belgium. As of January, 2005 Antwerp had a total population of around 457,729. The total area is 204.51 km which gives a population density of 2,238.17 inhabitants per km. The agglomeration has a population of circa 800,000 (municipality: 457,729 (2005), metropolitan area: about 1,225,000 (2004)).
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* 1 Overview
* 2 History
* 3 Historical population
* 4 Municipality
* 5 Sports
* 6 See also
* 7 External links
* 8 Reference

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Overview

Antwerp is one of the three primary centers of the global diamond industry (along with New York City's "diamond district", and South Africa), traditionally controlled by the city's Hassidic Jewish population, the largest outside of New York. Antwerp is also famous for its seaport with a lot of cargo shipping and oil refineries. Since the 1990s it has been recognized as an important city for fashion design, namely because of some graduates of the Royal Academy of Fine arts became internationally successful designers.

The river Scheldt passes through Antwerp. Antwerp is one of the largest ports in the world (only second to Rotterdam in Europe), linked to the North Sea by the Scheldt and the Westerschelde.
Antwerp Stadhuis (Town Hall) in Grote Markt
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Antwerp Stadhuis (Town Hall) in Grote Markt

Antwerp is also notable for its zoo, which is one of the oldest and most famous in the world. The Antwerp Zoo is located in the middle of the city and hosts more than 4,000 animals. The Royal Society for Zoology has been watching over the welfare of numerous animals and helping to protect threatened animals for more than 100 years.

Next to the Antwerp Zoo is the Centraal Station, the city's main railway station. Designed by architect Louis Delacenserie (1838-1909) and completed in 1905, the station's architecture features two monumental neo-baroque facades, topped by a large metal and glass dome (60m/197ft). The dome covers the train platforms which is typical for turn-of-the-century railway stations in Europe. Antwerp is the end of the oldest railway line in continental Europe (between Brussels and Antwerp through the city of Mechelen). Designed with all glit and marble, the interior has been called a Renaissance painters fantasy of what classical design should be. A few years ago, the Centraal Station was used in the British television series 'Hercule Poirot.' In the series, the famous 'Belgian' detective visited Brussels and many Belgians were surprised to see that, during the filming, the Antwerp station had changed its name to 'Gare de Bruxelles' (Brussels Station).
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History

The Brabantine city of Antwerp succeeded Bruges in Flanders as the major port city and center of the economy of northern Europe, but became, as Fernand Braudel pointed out "the center of the entire international economy--something Bruges had never been even at its height." (Braudel 1985 p. 143.) He dates the opening of the new order with the arrival of the first Portuguese ship laden with pepper and cinnamon in 1501. Antwerp's "Golden Age" is tightly linked to the "Age of Exploration". Over the first half of the 16th century Antwerp grew to become the second largest European city north of the Alps by 1560.

During this period Antwerp clung to some disadvantages. Without a long-distance merchant fleet, and governed by an oligarchy of banker-aristocrats forbidden to engage in trade, the economy of Antwerp was in the hands of the foreigners who made the city very international. Ships from Venice, Ragusa, Catalonia or Portugal met in the port where Portuguese pepper and silks met German silver. Antwerp wisely embraced a policy of toleration: even today Antwerp is nicknamed "The Jerusalem of the West" because of its large orthodox Jewish (hasidic) community. Antwerp in its greatness was not even a "free" city; it had been reabsorbed into the duchy of Brabant in 1406 and was controlled from Brussels.
16th-century Guildhouses in the Grote Markt
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16th-century Guildhouses in the Grote Markt

Antwerp experienced three booms during its century, the first based on the pepper market, a second launched by American silver coming from Seville that came to an abrupt end with the bankruptcy of Spain in 1557. A third boom, after the stabilizing Treaty of Cateau-Cambresis, in 1559, was based on industrial production of textiles.

The boom-and-bust cycles and inflationary cost-of-living put a squeeze on Antwerp's less-skilled workers, and the profound religious revolution of the Reformation erupted in violent iconoclastic riots in August 1566. The conciliating presence of the regent Margaret, duchess of Parma was swept aside when Philip II sent the Duke of Alva to restore peace and orthodoxy at the head of an army the following summer. The Eighty Years' War broke out in earnest in 1572, and commercial communication between Antwerp and the Spanish port of Bilbao was essentially terminated. On November 4, 1576, Spain captured the city and nearly destroyed it after three days. The "Golden Age" of Antwerp is traditionally considered to have ended when the city was captured by Alessandro Farnese in 1585. Antwerp's banking was assumed for a generation by Genoa and its mercantile supremacy passed to Amsterdam.

During World War II the city was occupied by Germany and was liberated on September 4, 1944 when the British 11th Armored Division entered the city. After this, the Germans attempted to destroy the port of Antwerp, which was used by the Allies to bring new material ashore. The city was hit by more V-2 rockets than any other target during the entire war, but the attack did not succeed in destroying the port. However the city itself was severely damaged.

According to folklore, the city got its name from a legend involving a giant called Antigoon that lived near the river Scheldt. This giant exacted a toll from passers-by who wished to navigate the river. On refusal, the giant often severed one of their hands. Eventually, the giant was slain by a young hero named Brabo, who cut off the giant's hand and threw it into the river. Hence the name Antwerpen (in Dutch: hand werpen means hand throw). There's a statue of Brabo and the slain Antigoon on the Grote Markt in front of the town hall as can be seen on the picture of the Antwerp Stadhuis above. In addition you're apt to come across sculptures of hands in various sizes and forms throughout the city, and hand-shaped cookies can be bought in any chocolate shop. A more commonly accepted etymology among historians and linguists traces the name to a Dutch word "aan werpen" or "aan werven", which means docking a ship.

Antwerp also hosted the 1920 Summer Olympics.
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Historical population

1500: around 44/49,000 inhabitants (Braudel 1985)
1575: around 100,000 inhabitants
1590: fewer than 40,000 inhabitants
1800: 45,500 inhabitants
1830: 73,500
1856: 111,700
1880: 179,000
1900: 275,100
1925: 308,000
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Municipality

The municipality comprises the city of Antwerp proper and several towns. So it can be divided into nine entities:

1. Antwerp (town)
2. Berchem
3. Berendrecht-Zandvliet-Lillo
4. Borgerhout
5. Deurne
6. Ekeren
7. Hoboken Antwerpen
8. Merksem
9. Wilrijk

Location of the municipality of Antwerp within the province of Antwerp
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Location of the municipality of Antwerp within the province of Antwerp
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Sports

The major football club are R. Antwerp F.C. and K.F.C. Germinal Beerschot.
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See also

* Van Wesenbekestraat - the Chinatown of Antwerp
* Meir - shopping street

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External links
Commons
Wikimedia Commons has more media related to:
Antwerp

* Official website
* Map
* Antwerp International Airport
* VLM Airlines
* Hotels
* Antwerp Zoo's official web site, only available in Dutch and French
* http://www.visitantwerpen.be/ [visitantwerpen.be]
* http://www.use-it.be/antwerpen/eng/ [use-it.be] Antwerp for youngsters
* http://sg.travel.yahoo.com/guide/europe/belgium/an twerp/ [yahoo.com] Yahoo Travel page
* Flanders Fashion Institute

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Reference

* Braudel, Fernand The Perspective of the World, 1985

Slashdot Trolling Phenomena (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13027855)

Slashdot trolling phenomena
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About
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Slashdot trolling phenomena make up a large subset of the bizarre and complex subculture found on the popular technology website Slashdot. They are a mixture of juvenilia, sarcasm, deliberately bad jokes, tasteless nonsense and highly developed and artistic attempts to provoke outraged responses from other forum users, or amuse them. Slashdot trolling is a subset and a microcosm of Internet trolling in general. Some of these behaviours are usually considered to be more offensive or insightful than others. On Slashdot, many of these phenomena have become the object of parody.
Slashdot trolls can generally be divided into four categories: disruptive, offensive, deceptive, and idiosyncratic. Disruptive trolls are those which intend to disrupt the normal flow of things on Slashdot, either by decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio or by causing the pages to render incorrectly. Offensive trolls exist for the sole purpose of offending as many people as possible. The purpose of deceptive trolls is to trick people into either following a link or reading a comment which seems legitimate but is actually a troll. Idiosyncratic trolls are those which are specific to Slashdot and have elements of Slashdot culture and history in them creating, in effect, an inside joke.
Contents
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1 Disruptive trolls
1.1 Crapflooding
1.2 Page widening/lengthening
2 Offensive trolls
2.1 Homosexuality and racism
2.2 Anti-semitism
2.3 Nationalistic insults
3 Deceptive trolls
3.1 Karma Whores
3.2 Article text alteration trolls
3.3 Web vendor referral trolls
3.4 Signature trolls
3.5 Movie spoiler
4 Idiosyncratic trolls
4.1 First post
4.2 Netcraft confirms it
4.3 Stephen King is dead
4.4 First Obituary
4.5 Hot grits/Natalie Portman
4.6 Reigniting flamewars
5 Minor trolls
6 See also
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Disruptive trolls

The purpose of disruptive trolls is to cause the pages of Slashdot to display in an undesirable way or to otherwise bring attention to themselves. The two major categories of disruptive trolls are crapflooding and page-widening.
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Crapflooding
Crapflooding is the posting of many nonsensical or gratuitously offensive messages in order to disrupt the normal functioning of Slashdot and annoy its users and editors.
Later versions of the software behind the Slashdot website had an updated lameness filter to prevent posting of the same message more than once. However, crapflooders began avoiding this restriction by varying the content of the message after each post. Crapfloods can be performed manually with a dedicated user repeatedly clicking through the posting options each time, or automated by a piece of software. Automated crapfloods are -- not surprisingly -- larger, more effective and more frequent. The subject of crapflooded messages varies. Some examples include:
Offtopic stories
Pornographic/Homoerotic sex scenes with the names replaced with those of the slashdot editors or open source celebrities.
Incoherent nonsense that contains the correct letter frequencies so the lameness filter recognises it as vaguely English.
Offensive Base64 encoded images or text.
Warning, potentially offensive external links:
An example of crapflooding
Another crapflood example
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Page widening/lengthening
The original page widening posts were simple messages consisting of one long stream of characters with no spaces. This caused browsers to render a very wide page with horizontal scroll bars, making it nearly impossible to read the comments page. Slashdot began inserting spaces into any long run of characters to prevent this and so began the evolutionary battle between Slashcode and the page widening trolls. Newer and more inventive ways of causing page widening were discovered, with the use of blockquote tags and the "." character to cause extreme widening on Internet Explorer. These methods were also eventually closed off by the Slashdot editors. Improvements in browser software have also closed many of the loopholes used to widen pages.
Examples of pagewidening include:
a slashdot page widened
a rare example of a pagewidening book review (September 2003)
a pagewidening post using blockquote tags
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Offensive trolls

Trolls in this category are those intended to be offensive, or those which take the reader to potentially offensive sites. A popular technique amongst Slashdot trolls is to post links to "shock sites" in order to annoy and offend other readers by tricking them into following the links. This is often accomplished by posting the link under the guise of being another link to the article or a rebuttal to the article.
A variation on this theme is for a troll to accuse a legitimate link or comment as being a link or reference to a shock site. In some cases this can have the desired effect of a genuinely insightful comment being moderated downward. Another technique is to embed a shock site link in a comment that otherwise appears relevant to the discussion, in the hope that unwitting moderators will mod up the post. The Holy Grail of any link troll is to slip a story submission containing a "shock site" link past the Slashdot editors. This situation occurred in July 2003 and June 2004 when disgruntled webmasters configured their servers to redirect to a shock site when the HTTP referrer was Slashdot.
One particular "shock site" which is overwhelmingly preferred to others is Goatse.cx. This has spawned a large number of other references such as ASCII art of its signature image (hello.jpg) within a square border, and with a derogatory word written inside the anus of the man in the picture. Troll postings often contain an ASCII art representation of some offensive image, often related to shock sites, with a nonsensical or provocative subject line. The 'Penis bird' troll, a crude ASCII representation of a bird perched on an erect penis, is a common variant, derived from the Penis bird image.
As a result of these trolling techniques, the Slashdot team introduced a feature which appends the domain name a link points to immediately behind that link in every comment to make disguising links more difficult. (e.g. "See Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org]") When this was implemented, people used mirrors and CGI redirection scripts run by Yahoo!, Slashdot or other servers to circumvent this measure.
Examples of shock sites include:
Goat.cx - http://goat.cx/ [goat.cx] ('Goatse.cx')
Penis bird - http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/ [rotten.com] - Original image from Rotten.com
Tubgirl - http://www.redcoat.net/pics/tubgirl.jpg [redcoat.net] or http://www.tubgirl.com/ [tubgirl.com]
Obscene ASCII image of Linux Penguin
Links to more
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Homosexuality and racism
Homosexuality is one of the most versatile and popular trolling devices used. In its simplest form it may be used on its own in the form of a homophobic insult or as a feature of a pornographic troll featuring common Slashdot topics and celebrities. Goatse.cx (see above "shock site" section) also takes advantage of homophobia. Racism is another ploy, sometimes used for effect in conjunction with homosexuality which usually causes offense to individuals unfamiliar with it. At its crudest it simply takes the form of repeated racial insults. The Gay Nigger Association of America (GNAA) is an internet trolling organization commonly seen in slashdot threads that uses this type of trolling device.
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Anti-semitism
Anti-semitism, and Nazism in particular, is now considered highly offensive across the modern world, a fact exploited by some Slashdot trolls intent on causing maximum offense to the reader. The most basic anti-semitic trolls usually involve posting pro-Nazi statements such as "Heil Hitler", sometimes accompanied by a crude ASCII-art swastika, and are usually very promptly moderated down as Flamebait.
Less blatant trolls might involve anti-Jewish conspiracy theories, in the spirit of such conspiracy theories rampant during the late 19th and early 20th century.
In a somewhat related vein, trolls often inhabit science or technology stories concerning Israel, dropping into the discussion otherwise completely unrelated posts on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Given the nature and sensitivity of this subject, these comments are usually successful in their aim of igniting a flame war.
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Nationalistic insults
One recurrent topic of discussion on Slashdot is the cultural quarrel between the United States and Europe. As an example, someone portraying themself as an American may run a joke on France, or may accuse Europeans of being "weenies" or not supporting democracy and civil rights. Someone portraying themself as a European may accuse Americans of lacking culture, or of being warmongers or "cowboys".
A similar subtopic includes banter about the differences between the United States and Canada. Usually an article about some perceived problem in the U.S. will elicit a claim of superiority from someone portraying themselves as Canadian. Often, to fan the flames, the American rebuttal will degenerate into Blame Canada.
The effect of such trolls is compounded by the immaturity and lack of political culture of many participants on both sides, who comment on foreign events they scarcely know about according to clichés seen in the mass media.
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Deceptive trolls

Often, trolls are created with the purpose of tricking the reader into viewing offensive or misleading information, or to deceive them in some way.
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Karma Whores
Karma is a scoring system on Slashdot meant to reward "good" posting and punish "bad" posting. The goal is that people who repeatedly post offensive, offtopic, or otherwise unwanted messages will be punished with a lower visibility of their messages, and those who post informative, insightful, or otherwise desirable messages are rewarded with a higher visibility. Karma whores are individuals, or messages themselves, that attempt to receive feedback in the form of karma points. Often these will be needless information (such as a link to a wikipedia article relevant to the subject being discussed), or a message of a political nature that is in alignment with the groupthink so that it will be moderated upwards by people who agree with the stance expressed in the message.
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Article text alteration trolls
Considered by many to be an effective satire of those who post comments consisting of a linked article's text (most often in case of the Slashdot effect) for positive moderation (see Karma whores), these are arguably some of the most creative and entertaining found on Slashdot. These trolls consist of the linked article's text, copied into a comment, usually accompanied by a subject line indicating that the site has been slashdotted. One or more words, phrases, or paragraphs are covertly inserted or modified to form a subversive or offensive message not present in the original article. These can be in the form of film or book spoilers, or words changed to produce sexual innuendoes, amongst other things. Often moderators will 'mod-up' the comment based solely on its title and the overall appearance of the text, assuming that the comment is helpfully providing the verbatim text of the unavailable site. Comments that have been repeatedly modded-up become more visible and carry an air of validity. Troll comments that fool more moderators therefore trick more readers.
When other users spot the troll, many of them respond with comments warning other users of the deception and asking moderators to decrease the troll's visibility. The most concise posts are empty with the emphatic subject line: "TROLL - MOD PARENT DOWN". Other users go further by pointing out each instance where the troll post differs from the original article. This phenomenon has trolls of its own, wherein a response will describe extra changes that are not present in the original troll post. This "troll-on-troll" phenomenon further increases confusion. Still more confusion is introduced when trolls respond to "Mod Parent Down" comments with rebuttals claiming that the original troll was a legitimate copy of the article, and that it is instead the accusers who are the trolls. Depending on the subtlety and believability of the changes, readers may remain confused until the site with the original article becomes available again. Unfortunately, because of the nature of the Slashdot effect, the original article may not become available again until most readers have lost interest and moved on.
"Mod Parent Down" posts are sometimes seen as comments on legitimate posts, presumably as an attempt to disrupt the thread. Examples of this type of troll: An example of the kind of post that ATTs are satirizing, "gradual as michael easing himself into taco's backside", "Orbital brothels, Delta Clitter", "an operator took my contact info and said I would get a fat cock up the ass soon"
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Web vendor referral trolls
Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and some other WWW vendors have a system whereby a user can post links on their (or others) websites, and gain a small commission per person following the link. These trolls post what appear to be discussion, with links to source material, but are really elaborate advertisements. For example: this post.
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Signature trolls
Signature trolls are an advanced and effective method of trolling, commonly used in reviews of software. The troll posts an insightful comment, which is moderated up based on its merit. The troll then changes his post signature to include an extra link, usually to a shock site. Comments on Slashdot cannot be edited after posting, but the user's signature text is updated within the comment whenever the user changes it. When the troll changes his signature, the malicious link becomes part of the highly-moderated comment. With careful wording, the signature can seamlessly blend in with the post and trick many readers. Slashdot has an option to put a signature separator consisting of --, but this was not the default until late 2004.
The dynamic signature can cause even more confusion, when the troll changes his signature back to make his accusers appear false. As the accusatory comments receive negative moderation for appearing false, the accusers lose points from their karma score, resulting in another victory for the troll. An example of a signature troll is: this.
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Movie spoiler
This is a more subtle troll than most. It consists, for the most part, of a genuinely insightful comment split into several paragraphs, with the middle or penultimate paragraph containing one or more movie spoilers.
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Idiosyncratic trolls

Trolls that don't fall into the other three categories are idiosyncratic, and their existence is a result of an inside joke related to the workings of Slashdot culture or history or of geek culture itself.
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First post
Whenever a new story is posted on Slashdot, comments may be added discussing it and there is often competition between Slashdotters to be the first to post such a comment. Some first posters try to make a short insightful comment to avoid being moderated down. The more immature first posts often consist of a subject saying "first post!" or merely "FP" and have no body. Trolls may also post "first post" messages a ridiculously long time after the original story has been submitted as a parody of the first post. There are many other variants of the first post, usually misspellings to avoid the lameness filter: "Frist psot!". Some troll organizations require prospective members to post a 'First Post' on Slashdot using some pre-specified text, which may explain the persistence of the 'First Post' troll.
Due to the many typos and misspellings made by those attempting to gain such a 'first post', the language has been somewhat transformed. Many 'first post' attempts now say such things as "Frosty Piss", coming from the phrase "frist pist", a common typo when trying to spell out "First Post" in time to actually get one, or in attempt to avoid the lameness filter.
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Netcraft confirms it
Quite frequently (especially for BSD-related stories) a comment will be posted providing dubious statistics from Netcraft (a network services vendor and internet research firm) and many links detailing the forthcoming death of the BSD operating systems. With its bogus statistics and inflammatory language the original "*BSD is dying" troll was enormously successful, and was still guaranteed to generate responses years after it first appeared. The troll typically starts with the phrase, "Netcraft confirms is dying", modelled after similar but authentic confirmations revealed by Netcraft in their research. Not surprisingly, many variants of this troll were created: Slashdot/VA Linux/Linux/BeOS/Apple (see examples below) is dying, variants on the original link-laden *BSD troll, and even elaborate poetry and song. None were as successful as the original.
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Stephen King is dead
Used simply as an off-topic troll or even a red herring, the American writer, Stephen King, has his very own subculture repeating the myth of his death:
The canonical text of the troll is as follows:
Subject: Netcraft Confirms it ... Stephen King, dead at 54
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.
This joke has also been used to recognize actual celebrity deaths. The format has also been used outside of Slashdot, usually on other message boards, to announce or memorialize actual deaths.
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First Obituary
A variation of the "First Post" and "Stephen King" troll. When a famous celebrity or politician's death reaches the headlines there is often an attempt to make that headline part of the first post.
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Hot grits/Natalie Portman
Early in slashdot's history, an anonymous troller (aka the "hot grits guy") would post a reply to every story with a simple "I have poured hot grits down my pants. Thank you." While he mostly got modded down as a troll, the hot grits guy is really the first recurring troll on Slashdot.
Natalie Portman is a popular target for this troll. When referring to her, they frequently profess their endless love for a statue of the naked and petrified actress, preferably covered in hot grits. Naked and Petrified is now such an infamous troll that it virtually epitomizes Slashdot trolling, and is often referred to and parodied in Slashdot comments. Other incarnations of the troll suggest that Natalie Portman pour hot grits into their (the trolls') underwear.
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Reigniting flamewars
Popular on software and development articles, this troll tries to explain why a particular operating system, programming language or other concept is inferior to others, in a way intended to annoy, intending to start a flamewar. This type of troll will either make an outlandish and obvious claim or subtly use a valid criticism of something in an irritating fashion.
For example:
"DRM is the future"
"The K in KDE stands for Krap."
"Why would I want a desktop with a smelly foot on it?"
"Linux has below average SMP support."
"My BSD machines have much better uptimes and stability than my Linux machines."
"Apple Computer will never sell a computer that uses multi-button mice"
"Object-oriented programming is difficult to use and doesn't increase productivity."
"Open source software has poorer levels of QA than proprietary solutions."
"PHP is a toy language for kids."
"Python scales up for large projects better than Perl."
"IPv6 adds too much new overhead to be viable."
"Perl 6 is a mistake." Example threads: [1] [2]
These types of post, usually moderated down as flamebait (but often moderated up as Insightful), sometimes cause a flamewar to begin amongst those who reply and thus the troll gets his 'bite' (See You Have Been Trolled et al.).
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Minor trolls

The following are either set phrases or formulae for the construction of semicliché phrases posted with the intent of either annoying or amusing other readers. More and more commonly, it is a combination of the two.
The Get Some PRIORITIES! troll began to appear after the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks. A classic offtopic troll, it employs highly hyperbolic language to criticize the other posters and Slashdot in general for discussing trivialities like new gadgets or changes in U.S. copyright law in the wake of such a horrific event. ( see this post for an example).
The Think about your breathing troll causes the user to think about their breathing, and it claims to be the most effective troll ever.
The Think about your parents having hot sweaty sex next time you masturbate troll intends to implant offensive images in the mind of the reader the next time he or she masturbates.
The Is it good or is it whack? troll: This troll responds to a comment by asking of the comment's subject, "What's [subject] all about? Is it good or is it whack?". In general, this troll aims to suggest wide-eyed naïveté about a well-understood subject. This phrase comes from the popular comic character in the UK and the US, Ali G.
The I Fail It! / I succeed it! trolls originally came from the computer game Blazing Star in which the game over message read: "You fail it! Your skill is not enough, see you next time, bye-bye".
The My freelance gig in front of a Mac trolls appear in virtually every discussion about Apple Computer. The troll claims to have witnessed taking 20 minutes to copy a 17 MB file from one folder to another and proceeds to question all Apple users as to their platform choice. It is a straight forward copy-and-paste from a weblog entry by Jason Kottke. It has also led to some very inspired and amusing parodies.
The I find your ideas intriguing / interesting and wish to subscribe to your newsletter / journal troll is a common sycophantic reply to a post that may or may not have merit. (see this post for an example). (This is a quote from an episode of The Simpsons.)
The Stalkers are trolls who fixate on a user and reply to all their posts anoymously usually repeating some sort of an insult.
Subject line trolls primarily consist of an inflammatory subject line and nothing else, but some have been seen where the comment is valid, but the subject consists simply of GOATSE repeated to the maximum length.
Chinese Torture of Tibetan Nuns appears occasionally as a reply to a topic with a fairly inane segue to wrench the topic over to the torture of Tibetan nuns by Chinese soldiers. The posting always includes a link to Physicians for Human Rights and their papers on torture of the Tibetan people. The lurid image of a Tibetan nun being raped with a cattle prod is sometimes invoked.
We Tried Working With... is a cut and paste troll made infamous by anti-slash.org. The troll starts out by telling a story of an employer who evaluates based on an employee recommendation. The troll then goes into how great is, but then goes into how the new thing destroyed their company project - which leads to the dismissal of the employee who suggested the evaluation.
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See also

Slashdot subculture
Internet troll
Internet phenomenon
Usenet troll
Trolltalk

Free to a good home, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13027781)

one open-source content management system. Great with PHP and sysadmins, responds to the name Drupal.

well, since i can't get to the link (1, Insightful)

GutBomb (541585) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027783)

and the description doesn't give me any indication whatsoever... what the hell is this about? what is drupal, what happened to their server, and why should i care?

Re:well, since i can't get to the link (1)

GutBomb (541585) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027799)

of course description was edited to include more info after i posted this

Re:well, since i can't get to the link (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027800)

If you RTFB, it says "Drupal is the leading open-source (written in PHP) content management system and is used to power tens of thousands of websites, blogs, community sites, etc."

Never heard of them though, and I still don't know what it means either :-)

Re:well, since i can't get to the link (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13027801)

Its an open source project in need of funding. All you need to know!

Re:well, since i can't get to the link (5, Informative)

JasdonLe (680479) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027812)

Drupal is a CMS (Content Management System). It's like Slash, or PHPNuke, or Mambo. I wouldn't call it THE leading CMS, like the summary does, but it is terrific software.

If you don't know anything about the software I listed above, just google them!

Re:well, since i can't get to the link (1)

grendel_x86 (659437) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027826)

Drupal [drupal.org] is a Content Management System, like slashCode, or Mambo.

They have a VERY large folowing, so im assuming they will hit the $3k soon. (following is a summary of the page you cant hit)

They took their server down to make physical upgrades three days ago, and when their server was brought back up, it wasnt quite right, now it dosnt work at all, and their host isnt responding to them (bad host).

They need the $$ so they can buy a decient server to colo w/ OSL.

Re:well, since i can't get to the link (1)

drzolo (760845) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027828)

i partly agree with you. I dont know who/what drupal is, and i would not contribute to site i am not familiar with. Besides the whole thing seems fishy. (but everyone seems fishy when they want money from me..) 3000$ for a server? That almost cost as much as my Gaming Machine!

Re:well, since i can't get to the link (2, Informative)

ComputerSlicer23 (516509) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027842)

Here [wikipedia.org] is a quick link to a Wikipedia article about them. I have no idea why I should care, but it does explain what it is. It's used to run a couple of sites I do use (kerneltrap being the most memorable). It sounds like a blog/content publishing program writting in PHP.

The first several google links all appear to point to the site that is down. Even the cached links I read didn't get to the part that actually described what it was. Hope that helps.

Kirby

Re:well, since i can't get to the link (1)

Lew Payne (592648) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028005)

|| what is drupal, what happened to their server, and why should i care?

Are you just too stupid to use Google, or did you not bother to read the very post
you responded to, which clearly said Drupal is a content management system. Retard.

What I love about the FOSS movement (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13027802)

In only 12 hours, they have already raised nearly 2000 dollars for the new server, PRIOR to the posting on slashdot. People who care change the world for the BETTER, while those who don't impact it terribly.

Re:What I love about the FOSS movement (1)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027910)

Wow, they ought to get the last $1,000 in no time now that it's posted on slashdot. Hell, they'll probably make a few thousand extra before they shut it down. A nice way to give the project a boost in funding!

Re:What I love about the FOSS movement (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027928)

I use Drupal on my own site and love it. The ability to run PHP code in their "blocks" and the challenge of integrating Gallery v1 support to my own site gave me something to do for a while.

While it has its annoyances it is probably one of the best CMS I have seen and certainly the easiest to setup and maintain.

I just donated 20 Euros ($24 and change USD) to the project.

Re:What I love about the FOSS movement (2, Informative)

JamesD_UK (721413) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027952)

Just looking at the page now.. Received: $6468 USD I guess they're going to get their new server ;-)

Re:What I love about the FOSS movement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13027961)

They raised about $5k in about 10 minutes after slashdot post, soooo. Maybe they can get an Opteron server now :)

Re:What I love about the FOSS movement (1)

RoundSparrow (341175) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028206)

They could get a nice Opteron in the first place.

Tyan GX28 1u rackmount... plus a couple reasonable Opteron 242 CPU's... and 2GB of RAM... and some pair of modest hard drives (SATA)... and they have a system for $2500 that is well built and 64bit.

Durpal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13027803)

Durpal is great because you can find everything there and for very low prices although the shipping could be cheaper.

What was drupal? (-1, Troll)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027807)

I had not heard of it until now.. Why do i care about this project? What was its place and its goals?

Re:What was drupal? (2, Insightful)

JasdonLe (680479) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027854)

Posts like the parent really irk me. "Why do I care about this project?" it asks as if Slashdot is the parents own personal newsfeed -- only stories pertaining to the life of parent should appear on the front page, or indeed anywhere else within the site. If parent hasn't heard of it, it must not be anything that matters.

Parent? Meet Google [google.com]. I know it's hard to believe, but this is a site that catalogs the entire internet and allows you to search through them for the information you seek. For example, if you were to type "Drupal" in the text box and hit enter, the website would return thousands of pages that use that term, and would further enlighten you to

Or you could just use Wikipedia [wikipedia.org], which, of course, has a wonderful page [wikipedia.org] up about Drupal. Oh, but I forgot. You're too busy to do any of that. We should just explain everything to you. Who do you think you are, man? Seriously? Not a web developer, obviously.

Re:What was drupal? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028018)

Excuse me, they are asking for money. If I'm to donate MY money the damned project better benefit ME.

Its pretty simple.

Why should i have to search for 'more info' when they are asking for donations? A responsible 'news service' would happen to explain what the hell the subject was about. Other than just a blurb 'we are drupal and we want your money'.

Get off your high horse, idiot. Who the hell do you think YOU are? Not someone with some sense, obviously.

Re:What was drupal? (1)

m50d (797211) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028033)

The point is that html supports this handy thing called links. You have made good use of them, but the article submitter could have done so. If the average slashdotter is going to have to use google to find out what it is (and judging by the number of "what is it" posts, in this story they do) then the submitter should include a link to the relevant result.

Who? (0, Flamebait)

Jeet81 (613099) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027832)

Never heard of Drupal. Can this be a marketing scheme?

Re:Who? (3, Informative)

lordsilence (682367) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027850)

Certainly could. But I've never heard about the Mamboserver project ( http://www.mamboserver.com/ [mamboserver.com] ) before. But they dont claim to be leading in the CMS business, just among the most powerful *shrug*

Re:Who? (1)

Augmento (725540) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028136)

i use drupal for my guildwars fansite at www.tyria.net, of all the CMS out there its probably the most intuitive. its biggest drawback is that forums, the main component of most community sites is an after thought with drupal and ends up being more work to manage than its worth.

Oh that's good... (4, Funny)

noneloud (891263) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027849)

They have a server meltdown, so Slashdot gives them another?

tim, I think you should watch your (real life) Karma...That's not very nice :)

3000??? rediculous (0, Troll)

sofar (317980) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027851)


xfce [xfce.org] just got donated a new server from 2x.com [2x.com] For less than 1600 dollars. 3000? gimme a break!

Re:3000??? rediculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13027914)

I think they are planning on buying a REAL server. One that has a supporting organization behind them. One that has a reliable warranty. One that doesn't rely on IDE drives.

In other words they wish to buy a HP/Dell/IBM server, not a whitebox POS 2000. $3,000 is a fairly low-end server from these companies but, they won't have to worry about the server for at least 3 years and probably much longer than that.

Your 2 cents have no value. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13027955)

I'd like to believe your advice but, I can't take advice from someone who can't spell ridiculous.

Your post was ridiculous.

Not "rediculous" (2, Informative)

HardCase (14757) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028055)

xfce just got donated a new server from 2x.com For less than 1600 dollars. 3000? gimme a break!

I think that Drupal wants something more than a toy. A box full of a bunch of no-name, el-cheapo hardware isn't really going to cut it. $3K for a low to mid level, brand name server with some guts to it and a real warranty is a fair price.

-h-

Renting a dedicated box? (4, Insightful)

moz25 (262020) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027852)

What I don't get is why they aren't renting their own dedicated box, so they don't have to own the hardware. You can get a dual Xeon configuration for about $200-300/month and with about 2TB of bandwidth. Of course now they won't have a monthly bill, but every time they need to upgrade the machine or repair it, there are going to be costs.

Re:Renting a dedicated box? (1)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027898)

Because $200-300/month is a lot for a FOSS project just starting to figure out how to make enough money to cover their costs. I'm sure hosting costs are coming out of their pockets right now.

Well, I offered it to them... (5, Interesting)

SlashChick (544252) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027912)

I offered them a free Dual Xeon 2.8GHz server, 1GB RAM, 1x80GB hard drive with 500GB transfer a month, hosted at Simpli [simpli.biz] (my hosting company). We host several Drupal sites and I'd be happy to have them on board. I asked for a text link back to Simpli. I haven't heard back from them, so I guess they'd rather beg their users for money than take a free dedicated server. I have to say I'm a bit disappointed, but it's their money and their choice.

Re:Well, I offered it to them... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13028014)

"I have to say I'm a bit disappointed, but it's their money and their choice."

Eh, what can you do? Offer was on the table, and they chose to take another route.

Anyways, perhaps one of the reasons they didn't reply to you was the fact that your website doesn't appear to be working (well, it works(?), but all I see is a blank page).

Re:Well, I offered it to them... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13028117)

Yikes! Fixed. The database connection broke overnight... strange. Thanks for the heads-up.

yes well, where were you last month? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13028183)

Yes and where were you before the actual problem? This was already in the works for the last few weeks.

It is better to OWN your core resources and leverage the other stuff that OSL is offering. They also provide mirroring, 24x7 admin staff familier with and specializing in open source software.

OSL does NOT REQUIRE an AD for this service. IT's just what they do. What happends when Drupal goes beyond 500GB/month? All this for the price of owning a server. I own my server and you seem to own yours.

For four years a very few people have born the expense of this while growing at a phenominal rate. While lots of happy users [and some that chose other products :) ]

Your post just seems a little .... unfortunate.

Re:Renting a dedicated box? (3, Insightful)

suwain_2 (260792) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028146)

A few reasons I can think of off-hand:
* Renting higher-end servers gets awfully expensive
* Adding another hard drive might cost you something like $20/month forever -- if you plan on being around for a long time, it's actaully much cheaper to just buy
* I've read a few horror stories of people whose dedicated server providers (some at fairly reputable places) had their servers formatted by mistake. With a colocated server, you don't have to worry about a tech transposing a couple digits in your IP and formatting the wrong machine.

A good candidate for P2P? (2, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027858)

Last month, drupal.org alone served more than 3 million pages for 100 Gb of traffic (this does not include any of the other sites or services; non Drupal websites, Drupal mailing list traffic, etc).

Once they have a new box, why don't they distribute their software and docs up on P2P? surely that'll lighten the network load and cost them less.

Re:A good candidate for P2P? (1)

viksit (604616) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027894)

Not a bad thought.

But problems in P2P make it bad for distribution of software which is updated regularly. CVS updates? Document additions? PHP based, contributable and regularly updated content on the site itself is what is being looked at.

Re:A good candidate for P2P? (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027953)

But problems in P2P make it bad for distribution of software which is updated regularly.

For big tarballs and things like that, they could just maintain torrents up for whatever file they want to distribute. When they make a new release, they post the torrent, first seed it, then let other BT clients help distribute it. The worst that can happen is that they maintain torrents to older releases that next to nobody downloads anymore, and they're the only seed for them, and they're not worse off than having to serve them themselves as they did before.

CVS updates?

Yes, they'd have to keep that. But then, do you think CVS traffic outweighs tarballed distributions in terms of network usage?

PHP based, contributable and regularly updated content on the site itself is what is being looked at.

As long as they're files to download, I don't see a reason not to distribute them with BT.

Drag Queen? (0, Flamebait)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027863)

Isn't Drupal that drag queen? If I donate money, do I get a free account for the picture galleries? No, but seriously, Drupal is one of the more visible well written PHP applications, something to point at when the Perl freaks start blathering about how PHP is crap unfit for serious projects, and so on...

Re:Drag Queen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13027922)

No, but seriously, Drupal is one of the more visible well written PHP applications, something to point at when the Perl freaks start blathering about how PHP is crap unfit for serious projects, and so on...

Okay, so that's one.

All Together Now... (2, Insightful)

PingXao (153057) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027875)

So what?

Seriously, I have never heard of Drupal until I saw this article. It may be useful software, very useful, but who knows? FA like this should really start off like this:
"Drupal, the leading PHP blog server provider, has problems..."

Then maybe /.ers can figure out what the hell you're talking about. Your pet tech doesn't mean everybody else immediately knows what you're talking about.

Re:All Together Now... (1, Offtopic)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028152)

"Seriously, I have never heard of Drupal until I saw this article. It may be useful software, very useful, but who knows?"
This is Slashdot not CNN. It is assumed that if you do not know what a program is you would do a Google on it or at least click the link.

Drupal powers... (4, Informative)

UnConeD (576155) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027877)

To answer the question, what is Drupal...

Drupal is the open-source CMS behind:

and many more sites. Even if you don't know Drupal, you've probably visited a Drupal site before. Drupal is known for its modular architecture, clean code and developer friendlyness.

Re:Drupal powers... (1)

egoff (636181) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028058)

Actually, spread firefox is using CivicSpace [civicspacelabs.org], which is based on what the Howard Dean campaign did with Drupal (DeanSpace) during the primary campaign last year.

CivicSpace is a distribution (4, Informative)

UnConeD (576155) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028074)

Today, CivicSpace is a distribution of Drupal: their core is unforked, and their modules are developed and stored in the main Drupal repository. They contribute patches to the main project as well as work on their own stuff.

What is the security of Drupal like? (2, Interesting)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027885)

Today I was reading an entry [slashdot.org] in Eugenia Loli-Queru's [slashdot.org] Slashdot journal. It was discussing the recent defacing of TuxTops.com.

Now, looking at the source code to the main page of TuxTops.com I noticed that it includes a CSS file "misc/drupal.css". That would lead me to believe that they are using Drupal as their content management system. Please verify this for yourself if you do not believe me.

My question is: why was their site defaced so easily? Was it because Drupal itself is an inherently insecure system? Or was it just improperly installed?

Can anybody shed some light on this? I would like to use it, but seeing stuff like that makes me nervous.

It could have been a multitude of things... (1)

Phil John (576633) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027993)

...such as they could be using AWStats which recently provided a possible attack vector. They could have any other unsecure scripts running (phpbb et al). If they are on a shared host that hasn't locked down the environment (according to reverse DNS there's 4 sites on their machine).

Or it may have been drupal, who knows.

From what I've seen Drupal is one of the better written PHP blog/cms/portals out there (John Lim, author of PHP ADODB also seems to think so, pointing out several things like how damn small it is compared to other packages that provide the same functionality).

As always, YMMV.

Re:What is the security of Drupal like? (2, Informative)

nysus (162232) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028063)

Security is excellent. However, a recent exploit in a popular open source xml-rpc module that is also used by many other program other than Drupal was recently reported to have a security hole. The Drupal project quickly released a patch to fix this problem last week. Sites that have not applied this patch are vulnerable.

Eugenia is a well-known troll (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13028121)

Pay her no attention and maybe she'll go away.

Countdown to Jump! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13027909)

My name is Daniel Mawson and the below link is to my blog detailing the events leading up to my soon to be legendary parachute off of the Empire State Building! Be sure to read my blog for soon to be released information regarding my epic jump which shall passed down in the annals of extreme sports history as the greatest accomplishment of man on God's greatest skate park, New York City!

http://www.livejournal.com/users/countdowntojump/ [livejournal.com]

leading cms? (1)

slashdotnickname (882178) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027924)

When you have to claim you're the leading something-or-the-other in the same breath it takes to describe who you are, then you're clearly not there yet. Unable to handle the traffic, that a leader in something-or-the-other would be expected to have, doesn't help either.

Re:leading cms? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13028077)

A couple of weeks ago I had to review a bunch of various CMS to see which one would be the most fitting for a company. I installed and played around with like PHPBB, e107, Etomite, Plone, CMS Made Simple, jaws, Xoops, Mambo and Drupal. Of all of them, I truly liked Drupal the best. Why? Because of their flexibility and their PHP code. Very professional, graceful programming. Something to learn from. I found most other CMS to be narrow, rigid, and extremely difficult to port existing dynamic pages to. While other CMS might have more themes, prettier interface, etc., they are usually bulky and have plenty of vulnerabilities.
Anyway, another reason to support Drupal is because this is an Open Source project (and a very good one at that), and a reasonable person wouldn't want it to go away thereby reducing the number of choices for people to express themselves .

Leading CMS headache (0, Flamebait)

3.2.3 (541843) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027943)

Drupal is the leading open-source (written in PHP) content management system

Bollocks. Slightly ahead of Mambo, Drupal is the leading CMS headache, a brittle pile of PHP script kiddie crap which probably caused their shared host to go down, as it did on my old shared host. "After 48 hours," I wouldn't "[still] have [not] responded to [our] support requests," either. I wish I could have back the month of my life extracating myself from Drupal cost me.

Drupal is pretty good (1)

Thanatopsis (29786) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027948)

I just finished a project using drupal. I found it pretty solid CMS. The code is clean and relatively easy to manage.

Homeless Business Partners (0, Flamebait)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027963)

How can they lead the content management industry, when they can't survive a server meltdown? Open source doesn't have to mean "living paycheck to paycheck". It has to mean "open for business". Otherwise, businesses (and sensible personal users) won't rely on it - won't use it. Because when it goes down, we're left hanging.

Re:Homeless Business Partners (1)

Thanatopsis (29786) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027977)

Largely because it was a shared host. What's the big deal? They just out grew their environment.

Re:Homeless Business Partners (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028011)

That's the *reason why* they went down. It doesn't matter whether it's a good reason. Customers (rightly) only care about whether they can rely on them or not. Reliable businesses outgrow their envirnments under a plan. Even when spikes hit, they don't go down - they go to "Plan B". Especially as Drupal is in the exact business that manages this properly - high productivity content management - they really are obligated to uptime. Or they're good software, but not a good business. Which isn't adequate for businesses to rely on. Only sentimental ones which are willing to go down with them.

Re:Homeless Business Partners (2, Insightful)

Thanatopsis (29786) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028052)

So when MS went down because of a DOS attack, they makes them a poor business partner? They are the richest company in the world, they should always be up right? My point is that sometimes things happen in business that you cannot plan for. Perhaps they were planning on upgrading. I doubt very much this will have ANY impact on drupal's long term acceptance in the community.

BTW I find the lectures about what you think customers want somewhat annoying. Customers care about having their own systems up and running. While it might be a cause for concern, it's hardly world ending.

Re:Homeless Business Partners (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028208)

Yes, when MS went down it made them a poor business partner. Because they are so rich, and focused, the question of "will it happen again" is answered with "probably not". Since so much of their products are worse than the competition, the main reason they lead the industry is because "they'll be there to support us next year, too".

There are other reasons why an MS outage, though "unacceptable", is accepted, while Drupal's is not. Because MS is an monopoly, their downtime weighs against the lack of alternatives, for people locked in to their platform. Drupal doesn't enjoy that advantage, and smart customers will switch. An overloaded server can be planned for: most of us are operating under such plans. Drupal failed, it's important, and you can't admit that.

I find that you've completely discredited yourself in your apology for Drupal's inadequacy in serving their customers. Customers want reliability - it's one reason we switch to Linux from Microsoft when we can. That means that when they need to get info from the vendor, especially in an emergency, unavailability is a bottleneck they can't mitigate. Only you said it's "world ending", the hyperbolic distortions of someone who isn't interested in the facts, or learning anything. You just want to have it your way, with your fetish for Drupal.

I have had a lot of success knowing what customers want, and wanting the right things as a customer. What do you know? Where do you get off questioning my insight, without basis? What's your source of authority? Come correct, or don't come at all.

Re:Homeless Business Partners (1)

handelaar (65505) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028054)

You'd be making a good point if either

a) Drupal was a business or
b) Drupal provided hosting as a service to customers.

Sadly, neither is true, and that about does it for your line of argument.

Any business running Drupal will do just fine, thanks, provided it doesn't have the same crappy host that this project's been stick with recently.

Re:Homeless Business Partners (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13028008)

It's people like you who start twisting words around that are the real danger to open source software. Open source "has to mean" open for business my ass. It has to mean OPEN SOURCE. Period. You don't work in marketing, by any chance?

Re:Homeless Business Partners (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028174)

You're an ass. Of course I "work in marketing" - I'm a successful businessman. That doesn't make me a marketdroid; marketing is essential to business. You are a hobbyist - open source doesn't have to be anything to you, except open, and source. But I'm talking about what it needs to be for business, as is perfectly clear for my post. Which is what any "leading" tools company must satisfy. Or it's suitable only for hobbyists, and people like you who are scared of success in the market.

Already hit fundraising target! (4, Informative)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027968)

From the single page, it says:

Fundraise status

Start date:
13 hours 5 min ago

Received:
$6468 USD

Target:
$3000 USD

Last updated:
2 min 56 sec ago

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Re:Already hit fundraising target! (1)

suwain_2 (260792) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028048)

So where does the extra money go? A nicer server? A reserve fund? To the developers?

Re:Already hit fundraising target! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13028122)

Another server! And Hookers! And Blackjack!

Ah screw the server and Blackjack.

Ah screw the whole damned thing.

Drupal rocks (3, Interesting)

nysus (162232) | more than 8 years ago | (#13027989)

As a minor contributor to the Drupal project, I can tell you it rocks. It's a very well written piece of code. Much more than a CMS, it's a platform on which communities can be launched and mini applications can be written. I believe that Drupal could help revolutionize web site development for inidividuals, small non-profits, and small businesses. It's an extremely flexible and powerful platform. What's more, the main developers of Drupal are pure to the free software philosophy.

When the site comes back up, you should check it out.

Slashdot Money Effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13028012)

Received:
$6468 USD
Well, when it was posted on slashdot it was 2600+USD :p Sounds like they got 4k$ in a few minutes

How does it compare to Mambo? (1)

Gallamine (610774) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028021)

I just moved my website, GoRobotics.net (website about robotics) to Mambo [mamboserver.com].

How does Drupal compare to Mambo?

Re:How does it compare to Mambo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13028084)

Q: How does Drupal compare to Mambo?

A: you can actually get Drupal to work.

*ducks*

(Seriously tho, I spent a lot of time trying to get Mambo to work on my webhoster's server, only to find that it demands rather low PHP security settings and therefor won't work on just any server. Drupal works fine on whatever I've tried to install it on. Also, Drupal is apparently much more modular and OO-ish, so that it's real real easy to add and modify whole parts at a go to do what you need/want. I didn't find Mambo as easy for a lay person (read:non-PHP programmer) to do what was needed/wanted. Just a note from a happy Drupal user.)

OT, but I can't help myself... (1, Insightful)

nsayer (86181) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028205)

From the sig...

You can meet many former 'homosexuals'; you will never meet a former 'African-American'."

Are they trying to say that I'll never meet Michael Jackson?

Burn, Karma, Burn...

/. effect... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13028050)

Okay, their server couldn't handle the strain and now we've /. them.

Wonder if they'll see the funny side?

donations? (1)

dlane (21691) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028108)

Is it possible to make a donation? Drupal is a great project and an impressive community.

.....wtf (-1)

XO (250276) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028120)

...if you need some sort of "content management system" to power your website, you probably aren't the type of person who should be having a web site. It only takes 30 minutes or so to custom build something that does exactly what you want it to, rather than spending probably hours configuring some bizarre conglomeration of weird things, that you'll then have to spend hours trying to figure out the code, if you have to make changes at that level.

Re:.....wtf (1)

digitalgimpus (468277) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028177)

Far from true. I've worked with a large company that used a CMS (Interwoven Teamsite). Just about every enterprise website is CMS powered. And for many good reasons:

- separate content and code
- portability (apply a different presentation, and you can have xml output, html, wml, plain text, pdf, doc, ps, etc. etc)
- management (most content contributors don't know anything about html. Only the content.

IMHO above comment is a troll.

Drupal got 11 Google "Summer of Code" developers (4, Interesting)

nysus (162232) | more than 8 years ago | (#13028159)

To the naysayers out there, you should know that Drupal got 11 "Summer of Code" developers. Do the folks at Google obviously think very highly of this open source project.
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